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Quick Question

Is it possible to edit your User Page to where no one besides the User can edit it? Thanks.

-ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 19:31, October 2, 2011 (UTC)

If you are speaking abut your user page protection, making it available only for your edits, - I can't do that.
Frankly speaking, I'd not make that even if that were posssible...
--Senvaikis (talk) 20:12, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
It would be easiest to put such things in a blog post and link to it... - Chris 22:12, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, thank you anyway. Ciao!

-ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 19:05, October 6, 2011 (UTC)


I know you don't like it when I make articles without references to lyrics. I'm doing my best and I'm really sorry for that this is still happening. But you have to understand me good: I have Autism. I choose an other way in my schedule to edit, and when I edit a different Wiki.

I love to help this Wiki, but you misunderstand me, because I would love to put those lyrics in the articles, but I don't have always the time to do that. I'm planing that always to that the next day, not the same day, otherwise I got nothing to do, but I will maybe explain that a later time.

So I'm not ignoring you in anyway, but I have an own schedule. Hope you understand this. I'm only trying to do the right things. I'm sorry. --Station7 16:42, October 6, 2011 (UTC)


My goodness, old friend!! When I came back & you told me you didn't care for the new changes around here, I had no idea! I thought, "Well, they can't be *that* bad." They are!! The editing page's font is awful - hard to read & code. You can't easily tell who last edited a page without bringing up it's history. That really knocks some of the wind out of your sails when you've done so much work!! And on & on.  :'o[
I want my old editing format back!! I'd make us all some big grumpy signs to wave around, but I wouldn't know where we could picket & complain. Is there a setting anywhere that would allow us to edit like we used to? Have you any tricks up your sleeves? BeatriceBlue 20:27, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

Oops! Forgot to title the above! I'm getting there, albeit slowly. ;o) BeatriceBlue 14:34, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

About {{Album Art}}

Hi . . . I see you just edited my picture. I'm sorry, but after reading all the FAQs and trying to copy the examples from other postings, I can't for the life of me figure out how to add album art to my postings, so that it shows up in the little box next to the list of songs on each album. I've tried and tried without success, and the "instructions" that are provided here are both hard to find and/or useless. There appears to be some sort of template, possibly - but I can't figure out where to get the template from or how to add it to the posting. Would it be possible to provide me with a step-by-step rundown, as simply as possible, on how to upload and post album cover pictures so that they appear with the post? Any assistance you could provide would be GREATLY helpful. Thanks.

Howmer001 19:56, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Howmer,
let me start from another Ceremony-related problem - seems that this page should be splitted/disambigued into 2 separate artist pages:
  1. hardcore punk band from San Francisco Wikipedia16 with "Ruined", "Violence Violence", "Still Nothing Moves You", "Rohnert Park", "6 Cover Songs", see discogs Ceremony+(4)
  2. post-punk band from Fredericksburg, Virginia, with "Ceremony", "Disappear", "Rocket Fire" - see discogs Ceremony (2)
If I'm right, it would be better to make separate pages for each artist before uploading all required album covers. Later we'll dicuss the using of template {{Album Art}}, if it remain unclear after reading its documentation.
Cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 20:48, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Dear Senvaikis, Yes, you were right about the Ceremony page; I noticed it when I posted the lyrics, but I didn't know how to change it into the two apprpriate bands. Thanks for making that edit. And thanks for adding the album covers to the Opal page - I would have done that myself, if I'd known how to! Which leads me back to my original question - how DO you do that? I would very much like to learn how, in order to be a more effective contributor to this site. I look forward to your step-by-step answer. Thanks. Howmer001 15:39, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

@Howmer: well, I always thought that the best way to explain something is providing a simple "how-it-was-done" sample. Now I see that both '''A'''lbum '''A'''rt template documentation and my sample weren't as self-explanatory for you as I hoped :).
Ok, let's try to describe using of AA "step-by-step", as you wish.
Let's look once more at above mentioned sample: you may see that album cover art for album "Unsophisticated Time (1985)" on the artist Marti Jones page was added by simple AA inserting, e.g. text
{{Album Art||Unsophisticated Time}}
inserting right after album title and before tracks list.
What does it mean? According to AA documentation, it's format is
{{Album Art|<<image filename>>|<<album title>>}}
, where the first parameter <<image filename>> may be omitted if filename is "PAGENAME - ALBUM TITLE.jpg". Applying this rule to our sample means that image titled "Marti Jones - Unsophisticated Time.jpg" was added to the page. So, if you want to add a cover image for some album "The Album Of The Artist (yyy)" on some artist "The Artist" page, you should upload an image, titled "The Artist - The Album Of The Artist.jpg" and use AA as follows:
{{Album Art||The Album Of The Artist}}
. If you decide later to reformat album title part after the pipe according to the rules of English language, then cover image must be included in AA as an image-name parameter
{{Album Art|The Artist - The Album Of The Artist.jpg|The Album of the Artist}}
, or just rename image to "The Artist - The Album of the Artist.jpg" and use AA with empty first parameter again:
{{Album Art||The Album of the Artist}}
. Take my advice: to make things simplier keep that in mind while uploading an image and try to title it according the above mentioned mask: "<<Artist Name>> - <<Album Title (display part)>>.jpg".
Pfff... that's funny, but after such an "explanation" on my broken English things are getting to seem complex even for myself - that's why I prefer providing samples more ;) But believe me - actually AA using is extremelly simple indeed, especially if you try to use our Wikifyer with checkbox "Show album cover" checked - just try and see :).
hth, --Senvaikis (talk) 18:51, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
Doggone it - I tried your steps on The Clean's "Boodle Boodle Boodle" page, and completely screwed it up . . . This is very frustrating and annoying.Howmer001 19:18, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
Take a look here to see how it should be done: no changes to the album title, just add AA :)--Senvaikis (talk) 19:27, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

About {{AlbumCover}}

While you are on the Album Art subject, if you use the 'add a photo' feature on 'add features and media', will it be acceptable? Ciao. -ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 19:51, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, Mom - I don't use the "add a photo" feature on "add features and media", but anyhow - what was your question about? :)--Senvaikis (talk) 18:51, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
Ok, it's me, I need a step by step example how to upload an album art properly.
-ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 19:59, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
Take a look here; if that doesn't help - let me know, and we could discuss that in more details. --Senvaikis (talk) 20:35, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks but it didn't help much. I'll need a step by step explanation.
-ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 20:49, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Let's start step-by step tutorial. It may be splitted into 2 different instructions, depending on situation:

  1. Album cover image exists already, and we want to add required {{AlbumCover}} (further- AC) info to it.
  2. Album cover image doesn't exist yet, and we want to upload a new image, containing required AC info.

Let's take Daniel Amos page as a proving ground for our experiments, 'cause I've found still unused image "Daniel Amos - Vox Humana.jpeg" in your recent contribution list. It will serve us as an example of situation #1.

Situation #1: So, artist Daniel Amos page contains an album "Vox Humana (1984)" section, and this section is properly linked to album Daniel Amos:Vox Humana (1984) page. Let's open this page. Oops, - why doesn't it show existing album cover image "Daniel Amos - Vox Humana.jpeg"? That's because album header parameter points to the default value of image title "Daniel Amos - Vox Humana.jpg". Template {{Album}} isn't smart enough to understand that extension "jpeg" is equivalent to "jpg", that's why we should edit parameter "Cover", changing it to value, matching your image title explicitly, e.g. "Daniel Amos - Vox Humana.jpeg". So, open album page for editing, change Cover parameter, and save the page. Now album cover image should be visible. But caption under it contains some red-coloured warning about some lacking info: "The image displayed above lacks an {{albumcover}} template." To add required template just click on the image placeholder, and then on the small icon (titled as "View photo details") in the right bottom corner of the opened popup window for image preview. Now start editing the opened image page and add required AC info. In our case it should contain such text:
|artist = Daniel Amos
|album  = Vox Humana
|year   = 1984
|source = <<if you remember the source, where this image was taken from - add this info here>>
|info   = <<here you may enter any additional info (cover art author, rerelease dates etc>>
Now save image page. Return to the album page, open it for edit and save without any changes (so-called "touching"). The warning about lacking AC should be gone now. That's all with situation #1.

As you could see, situation #1 requires some few manual editings - that's why I highly recommend you to add 'AC info while uploading an image, e.g. - act according to situation #2:

Situation #2: Album page exists already, but album cover image isn't uploaded yet. Let's take Daniel Amos:Songs Of The Heart (1995) as an example of such situation. Let's start from the artist page section, containing this album. It's not mandatory, but the best LW practice recommends changing this section title part after the pipe to meet English language rules, e.g. it shoul look like:
==[[Daniel Amos:Songs Of The Heart (1995)|Songs of the Heart (1995)]]==
. I'm speaking about that because we should know exactly the title of image to be uploaded. If it's title matches the mask <<Artist name>> - <<Album title display text>>, then album cover image may be added to the artist page, using simplified {{Album Art}} form:
==[[Daniel Amos:Songs Of The Heart (1995)|Songs of the Heart (1995)]]==
{{Album Art||Songs of the Heart}}
Now we know that our album cover image should be titled as "Daniel Amos - Songs of the Heart.jpg". To make uploading easier, let's open Daniel Amos:Songs Of The Heart (1995) and click the link "Upload cover" under the image placeholder. That allows us avoid remarkable part of manual editing, 'cause upload template provides already prefilled form for AC info:
|artist = Daniel Amos
|album  = Songs of the Heart
|year   = 1995
Be careful:
  1. parameter "album" contains album title, formatted according English language rules. But it should meet LW:PN requirements (all ini-caps), so should be changed to "album = Songs Of The Heart".
  2. input box "Destination filename" contains all-inicaped image title; don't forget it should exactly match album title display text, so change it to "Daniel Amos - Songs of the Heart.jpg".
If you know the source of the image, don't forget to add parameter "source" to template. Additional info may be added here to:
|artist = Daniel Amos
|album  = Songs Of The Heart
|year   = 1995
|source = wikipedia
|info   = <<some other info>>
Now you are ready for upload: click button next to input box "Source filename:", select the file you've saved for upload (supposing you've got one already - scaned or downloaded), and click button "Upload file" at the bottom of the page. Now you may touch album page to ensure that image is visible on it and doesn't contain any warnings about lacking AC, 'cause uploaded image contains all reaquired info already. You've done!
Once again: explainig on my broken English may seem more complex than it should be, but believe me - when you try to make it yourself, - you'll see how it's simple actually.
hth, & good luck, - --Senvaikis (talk) 08:39, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Preference, please?

Ok, trying to clean up Altered Images. Two of their albums were reissued with bonus tracks. For example; Altered Images:Happy Birthday (1981). The bonus track versions had "... Plus" added to the albums' titles. Trying to figure which header I like better, but stuck. Please give me your opinion.

Happy Birthday... Plus reissue bonus tracks:
    Reissue Bonus Tracks (Happy Birthday... Plus):
      Bonus tracks on Happy Birthday... Plus reissue:

        Or some variation of the above. Please help!! My OCD is making this harder than it should be!! LOL Thank you! BeatriceBlue 22:21, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

        Hi, Beatrice. If you really think it's important, - I'd prefer #3 :) --Senvaikis (talk) 05:29, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

        Please don't get on to me if this backfires...

        Alright, I am going to use the 'add a photo' in 'add features and media' to a page. Hopefully, it works. If it doesn't, PLEASE steer me in the right way. Ciao. -ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 23:17, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

        NOOOOOO!!! It didn't work. I won't do it until I know how to do it. -ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 23:22, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
        Explain to me a bit better where you're having the problem & I'll be glad to help. Get on chat, if you'd like, & I'll walk you through it. BeatriceBlue 23:36, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

        Another quick question

        Hi, again, can you change your signature? -ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 17:36, October 19, 2011 (UTC)

        yep--Senvaikis (talk) 18:10, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
        Btw, you may (and should imo) change your broken sig also, but seems that doesn't grab you ;) --Senvaikis (talk) 09:50, October 20, 2011 (UTC)

        Please stop the bot

        Hi. I’m fed up with all those bots that blindly cancel wardening. Please deactivate your instrumental delete undeletions. INtrumental pages are just loss of time as well as most blank album pages. No need to undelete them over and over. You also automatically created an instrumental page for a song Jesus2099 08:49, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

        Instrumentals do get their own pages just like songs with lyrics. This is in line with our policy, so please don't mark them for deletion. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:08, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
        I see you've started a real edit war already without waiting for any response - should say that's not the best choice. Please, try to be more tolerant and discuss any issue before rereverting any edits. Since your message above doesn't look like discussion, have nothing to add to 6's response, may confirm only that declaring "Under_Threat" as instrumental, based on as info source, was erroneous indeed. Many thanks for pointing that. --Senvaikis (talk) 10:35, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
        Maybe this instrumental page policy should change as it is worth nothing but time loss for everyone (so as empty album pages, this is redundancy with full artist page). The argument that « instrumental pages are found in searches and indicate that they are instrumentals » is void because we can find the same information with the same search in artist page. — There is no need to add spammy foreign amazon links and inactive myspace links either — I did no edit war, it’s your bot that reverts anything in a matter of seconds without any explanation in the first time after dozens of manual work minutes, marking which track is instru. and adding release dates in full. — Jesus2099 13:31, October 21, 2011 (UTC)
        Instrumental pages (and album pages) are there for several reasons. One is metadata (external links, credits etc.); another is that it makes a difference whether some music player plugin shows "no lyrics found" or "instrumental". (A look at our FAQ might have told you as much.) If you feel this policy is wrong you can start a discussion on the community portal.
        Consider this: most bots/cyborgs are run by admins (or at least trusted users) who generally know what they are doing. So if you feel some bot's edit is erroneous (which does happen quite often, thanks to bugs and special cases), don't simply revert it, but check our help pages or discuss it with the bot's owner first. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:18, October 21, 2011 (UTC)


        Is my problem uploading photos, or adding them to pages? -ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 19:49, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

        Neither, imo. --Senvaikis (talk) 21:22, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
        Then, what is my problem?
        -ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 20:17, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
        Why do you insist that you necessarily have some problem, Mom? I'd like better to answer any other, more specific your questions, even if you aren't going to follow our answers, samples, suggestions or step-by-step tutorials :)
        Btw - what's the meaning of this section title (Wait?!)? --Senvaikis (talk) 22:59, November 3, 2011 (UTC)
        YouTube Icon LyricWiki Tutorial - How to Upload Album Covers - Chris 19:22, November 4, 2011 (UTC)
        :) ...JingOne more tutorial... (based on user:Lwt global.js) :) --Senvaikis (talk) 19:06, November 5, 2011 (UTC)
        Ok, I uploaded a file, but it is sized at 225 x 225. Google said it was at 500 x 500, which ticks me off. Thanks so much for the tutorials, BTW! They really helped. Ciao,
        -ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 21:22, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
        Take a look Jinghere to understand why downloaded image size didn't correspond to image info ;)--Senvaikis (talk) 22:36, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
        Is there any image resizing website where you don't have to download it?
        -ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 22:38, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

        I'd recommend you to use any local grapfics editor instead of online editing services; and free Paint.Net, mentioned by Chris, is indeed a good choice. --Senvaikis (talk) 22:48, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

        Can you use without having to download it? -ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 22:55, November 7, 2011 (UTC)
        No. --Senvaikis (talk) 23:04, November 7, 2011 (UTC)

        Cyrillic titles?

        What's the policy on songs with Cyrillic titles and/or with Cyrillic lyrics? Literal or transcription? Thanks! --Lucius Voltaic 18:34, November 14, 2011 (UTC)

        Not sure if such a policy exists, but if you'd ask my opinion - I prefer to use native language (Cyrillic) titles and lyrics. --Senvaikis (talk) 20:28, November 14, 2011 (UTC)
        Actually, this is covered in Help:Non-English Songs#Article_Titles. Hope that helps! Rhonda D'Vine 09:36, November 15, 2011 (UTC)


        hi im avril and could u please go on chat im new and would like to ask some questions please --Avril lavigne fan 07:52, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

        I suggest that you post your questions here. It's more convenient for Senvaikis and other users can answer, too. --Lucius Voltaic 07:58, November 17, 2011 (UTC)


        Thanks for telling me that.

        To respond to this, if you want to move Damian Marley to Damian "Junior Gong" Marley instead, then you should do that. As for the category moving, I figured that wasn't appliable to categories, so I will take care of that. Lastly, for the "not a legit song" deletion request, I changed it to "not a real song". Thank you for telling me that, man.

        And also, I have been experiencing a problem again that I experienced a month or two ago. When I attempt to edit on the New Wikia Skin, my whole computer freezes and I have to reboot Internet Explorer. I'm currently editing on Monobook until that gets fixed. XxTimberlakexx 21:38, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

        "Internet Explorer" well, there's your problem... --Lucius Voltaic 21:45, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
        Why? What's wrong with Internet Explorer? XxTimberlakexx 21:48, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
        It's slow and it crashes a lot. Chrome, Firefox, Opera...really any of those is much better than IE. --Lucius Voltaic 22:53, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

        @xx:Done Done:

        • moved DJGM->DM, (according to request, which wasn't changed);
        • deleted "The 15 Minute Song...", though still don't think that "not a real song" is much better reasoned or weighty argument compared to "not a legit song";)

        --Senvaikis (talk) 21:09, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

        Problems With 'Apostle'

        The title pretty much says it all... I found like !<-- or something and I erased it thinking it was spam. Noticing it kind of 'deleted' parts of the page, I couldn't remember what exactly the series of sequins. Could you help me? thanks! -ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 22:16, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

        Those are the comment tags--anything inside them is not visible except when editing. I'm not sure how to do nowiki in this markup, so here: they're like this, but without the asterisks: <!*-- invisible text --*> --Lucius Voltaic 02:45, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
        @Mom: please, read revision comments, especially when they are addressed specially to you. And ask before removing any markup element, if you don't know its meaning. And yes, Lucius is right - that's not my spam - that's rather drastic attempt to make you hear finaly my pleadings to avoid creating new and new albums without any lyrics, instead of making fixes you were asked for.
        Once more: our goal is to make LW a #1 reliable lyrics site. Now try to google for a song "Days Like These" by Annie Herring, and the very first result link will point to our site (thanks to you), though this lyrics was never available @LW. I don't believe you like lyrics sites, overflowed by delusive dead-links (as, f.e.), - do you? --Senvaikis (talk) 08:55, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
        P.S. And once more: please, don't enlarge small images to pseudo-500 px2 resolution before uploading them (compare 1 & 2)...

        Regarding three songs from Jakalope

        I think these songs should be on the wikia:

        1. Jakalope:Remote Control (not sure but it's definitely Jakalope)
        2. Jakalope:Frostbite Kisses - from the Album A 604 Records Christmas
        3. Last Time - was on the Jakalope Myspace page then taken down

        Vahnx 20:35, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

        That's fine, - removing red-links to non-existing pages from the OS section doesn't mean that you can't create these pages (if lyrics is available, of cource). Should only notice that according to LW pagenaming policy 3'd song should be renamed to Jakalope:Last Time then.--Senvaikis (talk) 21:33, November 28, 2011 (UTC)

        Reporting a page for deletion

        I can't seem to find a way to report pages so I am posting this on some admins pages (because all I could find was a list of admins). While I was adding a band and its lyrics I used English capitalization and then I realized that I had to actually capitalize each word. So I ended up having to pages. I want to delete the one that doesn't follow wikia's capitalization rules, which would be

        Thanks in advance

        Dexter.prog 12:52, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

        DoneGreen Done. Next time you may just add a deletion request right on the mistitled page, inserting text "{{deletion|<some reason for deletion>}}" at the very top of the page (see LW help for more detailed info).
        Thanks for contributing to LW, and happy editing :) --Senvaikis (talk) 13:07, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
        Thanks. I swear I searched through the help page but I couldn't find that. Dexter.prog 13:35, November 30, 2011 (UTC)


        Добрый день. Спасибо за работу над страницей Дельфина, но:

        1. Обложки большинства альбомов не попали на страницы самих альбомов. Как это исправить, не загружая файлы по новой, я не знаю. Кроме того, обложки "Тканей" и "Любимых песен фанатов Дельфина" - пиратские, с надписями "не для продажи в Москве".
        2. Почему вы удалили ссылки на неизданные песни, для которых пока нет текста? Песни вполне себе существуют.
        3. У Дельфина две песни с одинаковым названием "Вера", на обложках альбомов они называются одинаково. Не понимаю, зачем нужно было это исправлять и удалять страницу неоднозначностей. The Other Saluton 04:38, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
        Привет, Юрий
        1. Активация картинки обложки на странице альбома крайне проста и не требует пересоздания страницы: просто надо указать имя файла картинки в параметре AlbumHeader.Cover.
          • Насчет пиратских обложек: Вы всегда можете заменить их, используя указку "Upload a new version of this file" в нижней части страницы картинки.
        2. Секция OS предназначена для листинга так называемых "сирот", т.е. песен, уже имеющих собственные LW-страницы, но не включенных ни в один из альбомов, существующих на LW (на данный момент). Если Вам известны слова этих неизданных песен, ничто не мешает включить их в OS, предварительно создав страницы для них.
        3. С "Верами" действительно произошла накладка - сначала я воспринял их как редиректы на одну и ту же песню, и только когда обнаружил существование двух разных, но ондоименных песен, попытался 'восстановить правду'. А вот страница неоднозначностей действительно не помешала бы здесь, только я как-то не заметил существование таковой, а по той причине - точно ее не удалял ;).
        В завершение хочу добавить, что данный список погрешостей/недоделок далеко не полный. Так, большинство текстов для Серого альбома, которые нашел Lwt, требуют серьезной перепроверки. Но Lwt никогда и не претендовал на то, чтобы после любого его прикосновения к странице на ней не осталось ничего, что смог бы дополнить/исправить живой человек. Особенно если это настоящий любитель данного исполнителя, коим Lwt, к сожалению, не является ;). Однако надеюсь, что даже такой несовершенный киборг смог хотя бы частично помочь Вам, уменьшив обьем рутинной работы :).
        С уважением - --Senvaikis (talk) 08:47, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
        Мне вот это вот пришло на почту прошлой ночью: "The Dolphin:Вера page on LyricWiki has been deleted by Senvaikis. The summary of the edit is: "Deleted to make way for move". Я теперь не могу первую "Веру" обратно переименовать. Вы можете исправить? The Other Saluton 17:31, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
        Несомненно, только сперва я хотел бы уточнить точные наименования обоих песен. --Senvaikis (talk) 18:28, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
        Я же говорю, обе называются "Вера". The Other Saluton 18:44, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
         :) Разсмешили... Как же вы это себе представляете - две страницы с разным содержанием - и под ондим названием? Должен Вас огорчить - сие не возможно. --Senvaikis (talk) 19:07, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
        Я позволю себе слегка подправить "Сумерки" в порядке иллюстрации того, как, по моему мнению, должна быть организонана развязка неопределенностей в подобдых случаях, - когда одному из обьектов может принадлежать наименование "по умолчанию". Оставляю Вам право отменить мои изменения, если они покажутся неприемлемыми. Не уверен, однако, может ли такая схема быть применена к "Верам"...--Senvaikis (talk) 19:47, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
        Вы спрашиваете, как называются песни, я отвечаю, а вы смеётесь. Почему вдруг какая-то одна из двух песен должна называться без уточнения по умолчанию? А почему не другая? Вы же сами выше соглашались, что нужна страница неоднозначностей. Я её создаю - вы переделываете. Зачем? Теперь там наверху тавтология: "Dolphin:Сумерки (Disambiguation) may refer to". The Other Saluton 19:24, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
        Пересмотрите Сумерки еще раз; надеюсь, теперь поймете, что я имел в виду, говоря о названии "по умолчанию". --Senvaikis (talk) 19:47, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
        Нет, не думаю, что это правильно. Искать по названию "Сумерки" могут и ту, и другую песню. The Other Saluton 19:56, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

        (unindenting) Вот именно поэтому и нужна схема развязки неопределенностей, по умолчанию направляющая сразу на ту страницу, которую с вероятностью в 90% и будет искать статистический LW-посетитель. В этом случае только те немногие, которые ищут именно малоизвестную неизданную песню, будут вынуждены делать лишний шаг поиска через disambig-страницу. Это стандартная технология, используемая в тех случаях, когда один из объектов является очевидно более известым/популярным по сравнению с другими. Но, как я уже говорил, дело ваше - делайте как хотите. --Senvaikis (talk) 20:25, December 1, 2011 (UTC)

        Я думаю, что неизданной песне как раз добавит некоторое количество просмотров то, что она неизданная, - поклоннику исполнителя может быть интереснее увидеть малоизвестную песню, чем заезженную. Ведь, имхо, тексты песен интересны в первую очередь фанатам, а не кому-либо ещё. Да и искать их будут скорее через страницу исполнителя, чем через поиск LyricWiki, - просто так удобнее в данном случае человеку с улицы, который может не знать, что тут имя исполнителя и название песни разделяется двоеточием, что Дельфин, который обычно Дельфин, у нас записан как Dolphin, согласно обложкам альбомов (и думаю, что это правильно)... А как хочу, я не могу сделать - вылезет ответ "перенаправление занято". The Other Saluton 20:39, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
        Ну и упрямые же мы :). Ладно, поробую в последний раз, хотя и так уже немножко перебором пахнет :).
        Во-первых, вы слегка непоследовательны в дискуссии. Сначала Вы говорите о том, что Вас беспокоит, как будет работать система поиска, но сразу же после объяснения, что как раз с поиском все хорошо, вдруг заявляете, что все равно реальный фанат будет искать не через систему LW-поиска (она, между нами, действительно никуда не годится), а через страницу исполнителя. Хорошо, рассмотрим и эту ситуацию.
        Начнем с того, что мой вариант (default-titling) более приемлем и в этом разрезе по двум причинам:
        • согласитесь, - треклистинг альбома 'Звезда', содержащий песню 'Сумерки (Альбом "Звезда")', был бы не только неточным, но и выглядел бы, мягко говоря, неуклюже
        • Гораздо важнее то, что такое наиманование, строго говоря, противоречило бы политике наименоваий LW-страниц, которая требует держаться как можно ближе к оригинальному наименованию на обложке альбома там, где это возможно.
        Вот я и предложил Вам вариант, как сделать и волка сытым, и овцу сохранить: LW:PN удовлетворена, поиск работает, треклистинг альбома выглядит как на обложке, неизданная песня таковой и названа, а дисамбиг-страница развязывает все возможные неувязки. Кстати, надеюсь заметили использование темплейта {{WrongPage}}, который вполне вероятно подскажет посмотреть неизданную песню даже тому посетителю, который и не подозревал о таковой.
        Если и после этого вы будете настаивать на своем, я сдаюсь - и так уже маленько перестарался. Тогда только укажите мне названия песен (Вера и Вера 2, например), и я сделаю все остальное. Доброй ночи, --Senvaikis (talk) 21:52, December 1, 2011 (UTC)
        Снова здравствуйте. Что-то я не вижу, где я беспокоился за систему поиска, ну да ладно: какая бы она ни была отвратительная, но она не предусматривает случаев, когда у одного и того же исполнителя две песни под одинаковыми названиями, и правильно делает, потому что это просто глупо со стороны исполнителя - так называть песни. С "Верами" предполагаю восстановить то, что было: "Вера (альбом "Не в фокусе")", "Вера (альбом "Глубина резкости")" плюс дизамбиг под названием Dolphin:Вера. Уточнения в скобках при этом оставить только на страницах песен, а в треклистах альбомов писать просто "Вера". The Other Saluton 11:31, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
        Если вы имеете в виду такое отображение трэков ( [[Dolphin:Вера (альбом "Не в фокусе")|Вера]] и [[Dolphin:Вера (альбом "Глубина резкости")|Вера]], то я опять не могу согласиться: во первых, все слова в названиях страниц должны начинатьця с заглавных букв, но это легко исправимо и я полагаю, вы сами не возражали бы, так как LW:PN не принимает никаких возражений. Хуже другое - две разные песни на странице исполнителя будут выглядеть абсолютно одинаково, а это уж точно не будет способствовать тому, что посетитель страницы даже заподозрил о существовании двух Вер. Да, указательная (link) и дисплейная части названия в трэклистинге могут отличаться, но не так же - чтобы совсем замаскировать существование двух разных песен. --Senvaikis (talk) 12:22, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
        Пользователь легко разберётся, что к чему, если кликнет на названиях песен (зачем он, собственно, и пришёл) или просто подведёт курсор. Не захочет разбираться и заподозрит - ну пускай заподозрит, нам-то что с того, мы не обязаны под любого идиота подстраиваться, извините за выражение. Потом, у Дельфина на обложках тоже написано без уточнений, чем мы хуже? The Other Saluton 12:34, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
        Странно - то вы печетесь о том, как бы сделать альтернативную версию песни наиболее обнаружимой, то заявляете (строго говоря, не очень красиво), что это вообще на наша забота. Ну да ладно, мы уже слишком зациклились на этом thread'e, надо с ним как-то кончать. Вот что я предлагаю: выберите один из ниже перечисленных (в порядке ухудшения) вариантов, и покончим с этим :)
        1. [[Dolphin:Вера|Вера]] и [[Dolphin:Вера 2|Вера 2]]
        2. [[Dolphin:Вера|Вера]] и [[Dolphin:Вера (1999)|Вера (1999)]]
        3. [[Dolphin:Вера (1998)|Вера (1998)]] и [[Dolphin:Вера (1999)|Вера (1999)]]
        4. [[Dolphin:Вера|Вера]] и [[Dolphin:Вера (Альбом "Глубина Резкости")|Вера 2]]
        5. [[Dolphin:Вера (Альбом "Не В Фокусе")|Вера]] и [[Dolphin:Вера (Альбом "Глубина Резкости")|Вера 2]]
        6. [[Dolphin:Вера (Альбом "Не В Фокусе")|Вера (Альбом "Не В Фокусе")]] и [[Dolphin:Вера (Альбом "Глубина Резкости")|Вера (Альбом "Глубина Резкости")]]
        --Senvaikis (talk) 13:19, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

        P.S. It's a pity that this thread went entirely in Russian only... ;)

        Не знаю, где вы обнаружили, что я о чём-то пёкся, и не понимаю, зачем так строго придерживаться правил, которые вообще-то созданы, чтобы их нарушать (с умом, естественно). Я выбираю [[Dolphin:Вера (1998)|Вера (1998)]] и [[Dolphin:Вера (1999)|Вера (1999)]], если вы так настаиваете. И ничего страшного, что мы переписываемся на русском, - как будто кому-то не терпится почитать. Всего наилучшего. The Other Saluton 08:39, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
        А Global Mix "Тишины" и "Начало" с альбома "Плавники" зачем добавлять в Other Songs? The Other Saluton 12:10, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
        Ну чтож - вижу, мое терпение и благожелательство воспринимается как слабость и разрешение хамить. Не стану читать моралы, - просто впредь при таком хамском обращении буду просто отказывать в любом общении. А теперь, в последний раз, кратко:
        • Dolphin:Тишина (Global Mix) была включена в OS 2011-12-02T12:23, как подсказка вам, что к этому моменту она не включена ни в один альбом, и вы точно это знаете, так как только после этого, 2011-12-03T14:08, вы сами это сделали. И, как я полагаю, именно благодаря записи в OS (для чего, по сути, она и существует). Только вот после этого следовало просто удалить эту песню из OS, а не деланно возмущаться, почему она там появилась.
        • Ну, а "Начало (альбом "Плавники")" и по сей момент по праву сидит в OS, подсказывая вам, что перед ее удалением вы должны постараться, чтобы альбом "Плавники" имел линк на эту конкретную песню, а не на дисамбиг-страницу.
        Прощайте. --Senvaikis (talk) 14:37, December 3, 2011 (UTC) (Да, и - не стоит благодарностей...).
        Да, нам действительно не стоит общаться, если вы обыкновенный вопрос "зачем" воспринимаете как возмущение и хамство. The Other Saluton 15:06, December 3, 2011 (UTC)


        Hello Senvaikis

        thank you for supporting in my first days on Lyric Wiki. For the "back-cover images", you're right! It's a LYRIC Wiki, not a Discography! I was thinking it could be interessant. Anyway, I've no problem with it (take time to understand but...yes I've got it ;) I'll do certainly other mistakes 'cause I'm a new one, but in the future, I'll try to learn! Thanks--Tnop 17:16, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

        That's the best response I could ever expect, Tnop - thanks! --Senvaikis (talk) 17:50, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

        Yiddish Song Pages

        Hi Senvaikis,

        I've noticed ur multiple edits on some of the Coincidence:Lider Fars Lebn (1995) Pages. I think I understand what you were trying to do. But especially for the Coincidence:Sog Nisht Kejnmol page and its translated subpages, I'd like to revert your edits in part. Although it is true that yiddish texts traditionally used to be written in hebrew letters, least of the audience is able to read them. That is probably why the artists decided to publish these lyrics 'romanized' i.e. transliterated on their booklet. I was adding the hebrew written lyrics for completeness' sake only. And I did it on the original song page. I have given it a few thoughts before setting up the pages. So please refrain from editing those pages. And, for that matter, all of the yiddish song pages I set up.

        For the future feel free to post ur suggestions on my talkpage. I will consider them and get back to u for clarification if necessary. Thanks  · Lichtweber talk service  15:20, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

        Answered on Lichtweber talk page, as was kindly asked to :).--Senvaikis (talk) 21:09, December 15, 2011 (UTC)

        Hi, i uploaded the photo again to the wiki, not on my talk page; please don't delete, i need it for linking purposes on slider hub to spotlight your wiki. thanks! user:Bchwood

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