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Kukubatschumunuluku (1995)

Hello Senv, I just wanted to ask you where you found the year of the album? I just wanted to let you know that the album was released by the band as self release without label, sold at concerts etc. But it was an official release so to say... so I'd like to remove the unofficial note on the album page. Ok? Sadly I lost my digital version of the album years ago, else I could finish it... Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 20:54, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

  1. I thought that my note states exactly the same (album was self-released), but thanks anyway for letting me know that "for sure" :)
  2. I thought that expression "date presumptive" should have meant that I failed to find any reliable info about this release date, so I'm slightly confused - why are you asking me about that nevertheless?
  3. I thought also that any release can't be considered as official, if there's no any info about its release available on any public source. But if you do know that this release is official, - feel free to reedit this note as you like, or just remove it - it was used just to note that release date is unreliable - this album was the last, still remaining a member of Category:Album art without album, and I was just eager to clean this cat finally... :)
--Senvaikis (talk) 21:45, April 4, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry to create confusion - I simply meant to let you know it was an official (no bootleg or sth like that) album like the other, self-released. I was just eager why 1995 Wink. The Myspace album listing has 1997 as release date (not the best source, but at least one), I changed the page to it and removed the note. PS: I know it blocked the category for so long and I was sad that I couldn't find the date in the first run. --Fassbrause (talk) 22:35, April 4, 2016 (UTC)


If you don't mind me butting in on admin discussion - there's a distinction between songs that have a youtube embed or other video, and songs that actually have a music video. Often the YT video is audio-only, or a fan-made video. Even if you want to count the latter as a "music video", an audio-only upload, even if it's on an official channel, I don't think can be categorized as a "music video". My suggestion would be naming the category differently, because it's probably not worth the work to mark embeds that are actual official music videos. ~Bobogoobo (talk) 01:22, April 8, 2016 (UTC)

That's rather semantic or linguistic question, and though I don't see any serious semantic conflicts between this (hypothetical for a while) cat title and content, I agree that some "widening" of SWMV definition by changing its name, might make sense. Do you have some particular suggestion for such renaming? --Senvaikis (talk) 07:27, April 8, 2016 (UTC)
"Songs With Video Links"? At least technically true, even for audio with stills images, not Stephen. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:39, April 8, 2016 (UTC)
That sounds good to me. Or "Songs With Embedded Videos"/"Songs With Video Embeds" if you want to be a bit sadistic on the typing :P. ~Bobogoobo (talk) 01:43, April 9, 2016 (UTC)
Not all videos are embedded though – {{vimeo}} and {{videodm}} just produce links. — 6×9 (Talk) 07:18, April 9, 2016 (UTC)
+1 4 SWVL. --Senvaikis (talk) 08:13, April 9, 2016 (UTC)

After-fishing news

Well, seems ES may finally release his fingers, after being crossed for so long :).
I think I even slightly exceeded (for my own surprise) my promises, by adding iTunes Wikifyer to the promised MB Wikifyer. Both are in the draft stage yet and still require serious improvement, but both are suitable already for testing imo.
I'd like to emphasize one not very obvious thing: both these addons are something more than just wikifyers - actually they may be used as very handy and useful tool in the holy war with OS. I hope you understand that after testing them, but for a while - just believe me and my experience at working with Lwt.
So, please start testing addons and let me know about all the bugs you'll definitely find. Or just try testing pages on my teporarily test host, to understand what I'm speaking about.
One more unexpected note about these addons - both may be used independently from LW, just as web-pages on your host site or just on your desktop!. So, you may simply save this html page on your computer and use it as a standalone local "wikifyer" :). Should say that was a big surprise for me - I do remember that not so long ago such things have been impossible due to crossdomain requests restrictions. Or, if you are lenient to do that by yourself - just watch this demo :).
@BB & 123F: As it was mentioned already, both wikifyers still require serious tidying - I made that just as illustration of idea. But now it would be very desirable to rewrite them in a more proffessional manner. I think that both these custButtons could be merged into one common script as using the same functions (to be written yet, of course ;)). What do you think about that, BB? (tia) :)
Hope tbc, --Senvaikis (talk) 16:32, April 9, 2016 (UTC)
I did just a quick test on your external page: Itunes doesn't work for me. I enter some artist & album but the page doesn't show any results besides "Searching iTunes...". The MB demo works though and I like it. Sometimes it seems to be stuck while retrieving the track list, so I had to click one entry in the result list several times to get it to work.
Minor improvements you might like too:
  • The enter key should start the search
  • Maybe include an album art fetcher in the future; benefits: Correctly named AA, the source is credited & correct size.
What I would like to use your wikifyers to in the future:
  • Fetch track lists (& album art?) for albums; similar to Special:Wikify; maybe your tools can be incorporated into the page, so every user can benefit from it?
  • Retrieve the Itunes IDs for albums & songs; It is a hassle at the moment and most of the time I ignore IT because of its walled garden approach
  • Retrieve the correct cap for albums & songs
Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 17:42, April 9, 2016 (UTC)
Let's go by sequence:
  • ITW not works: Sad & strange - tested on 3 different boxes with 3 diff. IPs and 2 OS (Win7 & Win10), using 4 diff. browsers (FF, Chrome, IE & Edge) without any probs. Just have no idea - let's wait for other testers...
  • MB stuck: that's not my fault - I'm afraid something wrong's going on MB - you could have notice that even browsing their site...
  • Enter:done (for iTunes version) (though I'm not sure if that was necessary)
  • AA:Does MB wikifyer incorrectly names aas? And what do you mean under aa fetcher? Downloading aa image? But a)that's absolutely different task and b)have you ever seen any aa image with src=MB?
  • Fetch tracklists similar like S:WF: does S:WF fetch tracklists? No, imo it just waits for you doing that to wikify them. In other words, simple list of tracks is just an intermediate stage in wikifyer's work. MB wikifyer returns you the final result of the job - wikified tracklist. Am I missing smth here?
  • iT IDs: actually iT IDs for albums are fetched and shown at the result status line (I've added 'id' prefix to it now to make it more obvious). Regarding songs IDs, - they are also all fetched, but what should album wikifyer do with them? If you have any idea - let me know.
  • Retrieve correct cap:Do you mean some different from MB's capitalization? Or have you noticed some mistakes in capitalization?
--Senvaikis (talk) 19:35, April 9, 2016 (UTC)
PS: You may want to test customButton ITW to check if it also doesn't work on your box. (you need just to include it into your common.js, as it's done now in mine common.js. Here is a short demo how it should look like.
Alright, I try to make my points more clear, my first reply was written on the move:
  • I tested only with Chromium under Linux; lets see how it works for others. edit: I will test the .js version later, I need to go now
  • As I only could view the empty IT wikifyer, I spotted the album art box and guessed you already retrieved the album art from Itunes to display in the box. So yes, maybe in the future, your tool could be used to fetch the album cover from Itunes/MB/Amazon, resize it down to 500px, upload it (possible?/desirable?) under the correct name and set the source field on the album image page according to where it got the image (Link to Amazon, Itunes; MB either references Amazon or uses own uploads AFAIK). And yes, your wikifyer does correctly name aas - my advantages for your tool listed above were meant compared to manual, simple user entering process, where mistakes happen and where your tool could avoid them in the future.
  • Ofc your wikifyer is more advanced than S:WF. I listed use cases for your new wikifyer in the future. My question is: Can your tool replace the old code at S:WF to benefit every user (who is able to find S:WF through the help pages / menu)? But leave the checkboxes there for the user to select which source he wants to fetch & wikify a tracklist from, so you only have 1 gui for multiple sources for your new wikifyer instead of 2 for IT & MB now.
  • IT IDs: Due not working for me, I had no idea you already show the ID to the user, sorry. Either print the IDs out (both album & track IDs) or better: A custom button (, shown on album & song pages, which retrieves the ID for the album / song based on the information in the album / song header and inserts the ID in the song footer. I know that is not the purpose of your wikifyer, but your code is already able to do the donkey work, so why can't it be used to make a users life easier in the future?
  • Cap: Custom button for existing song / album pages: Retrieves the capitalization from MB and inserts it to the song / album header (& track list?) - I know we have the ability to fix articles for English now, but that should make the approach multi-language capable. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 20:32, April 9, 2016 (UTC)
@FB: Most of your wishes are quite real, but let's make clear - strictly speaking they are outside the scope of this task. Yes, it's possible to collect all the links to aas, album artist, labels and songs metadata and even some lyrics for some songs, or even complete discography of a given artist. But I don't do that even with my Lwts wikifyer, and not for my laziness - just we should realize that all these tasks should be distributed to a different tools, each having its own target object.
And most of such tools are doable... ;) --Senvaikis (talk) 21:06, April 9, 2016 (UTC)
I'm all for reduction of duplicate code. Though I'm really looking forward to the gadgets alternative which I believe 123F is still working on. It would be such a relief to be able to create scripts at .js pages again. I'll try to test these out in the next few days. What do you mean by rewriting in a professional manner? @FB, try checking your browser console for any errors. ~Bobogoobo (talk) 00:51, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
Much thanks Senv! At the same level of functionality, any rumours about a dg/am version? -- ES (talk) 04:19, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
Senv, looks like you faithfully reproduced the old wikifyer bug:
# '''[[Louis Jordan & Chris Barber:Is You Is Or Is You Ain'T My Baby|Is You Is Or Is You Ain'T My Baby]]''' (via MBfyer) --ES (talk) 04:32, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
@ES: Sorry, but all other apis, used by Lwt (dog, amg, amz, yt, spot, lfm), require authentication or at least api identification (api key), thus - hardly...
@BB (123F):I meant not only simple bugs like one noticed by ES (thx), but also the style, reusability and efficiency of the code, as well as some still missing functionalities. So it's worth to think about
  • switching between 2 modes of wikifyer (for artist/album pages),
  • optional manual substitution of artist/albumtitle (for possible LW/MB/IT names mismatches),
  • adding possibility to search by iT song,
  • calculation of total album tracks duration (hope to do that by myself soon),
  • etc etc...
So, if you agreed to collaborate, I'd like to discuss with you these and other improvements or ideas for other possible applications of MB & IT apis, - just let me know  :)
--Senvaikis (talk) 08:21, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
@ES:About bugs - sorry, but this "bug" belonged to Kingnee - Musicbrainz MB, not MBW... I've fixed it now @MB. :)--Senvaikis (talk) 10:32, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
Same fix for "’S" too! ;-) --11:27, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
?--Senvaikis (talk) 11:34, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
@Senv, Yes, some of my proposals are far fetched, but I think they are worth to investigate in the future.
I could narrow down the problem for IT for me: I am using the HTTPS Everywhere browser addon, which tries to use https for websites where possible. Something seems to be broken for the Apple CDN buckets server; When I tick off the rule to force https, it works like a charm (common.js version - your website gives me a 503 error today Sad). Thanks!
  • Minor improvement for IT wikifyer: When clicking on the album art image in the box on the lower left side, open the album art in the 600 pixel version (change your image source path from 100x to 600x)
  • Minor improvement for both wikifyers (most useful for compilations): If artists in the track list differ from the artist of the album, list these artists in the track list, i.e.: #'''[[NotAlbumArtist:TrackName|TrackName]]''' by [[NotAlbumArtist]]
  • Bug in IT wikifyer: While creating the tracklist for Rufus Wainwright:Take All My Loves - 9 Shakespeare Sonnets (2016), your wikifyer forgets to add the year in the header, i.e:
    ==[[Rufus Wainwright:Take All My Loves - 9 Shakespeare Sonnets|Take All My Loves - 9 Shakespeare Sonnets (2016)]]==
  • Bug in IT wikifyer: The artist is not correctly capitalized in the links, i.e.:
    ==[[Matthew and the Atlas:Temple (2016)|Temple (2016)]]== {{Album Art||Temple}} # '''[[Matthew and the Atlas:Graveyard Parade|Graveyard Parade]]'''
  • IT: Not sure what the problem is here, but when I search for "L'aupaire" in any other store except United States, I can not use some of the found albums in the left pane. I can click (select) them, but nothing happens, no track list is generated on the right. Status also doesn't change, it reads for example "4/4 matches found."
  • I have one small wish: Could you use Html5 or any other flash-free format for your screencasts in the future? --Fassbrause (talk) 12:22, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
@FB: nice catches - thanks a lot!
Now again - let's go through wishes/bugs by the order:
  • "iT images": I've thought about that, and I'd definitely make that, if I were sure that's 100% legitimate. As you positively know, my Lwt often uses iT images (with resolution up to 1500px), but there's a big difference between my own api and api, published here for community usage... In other words, this question should be discussed on AP, I suppose.
  • " TrackArtist" - sure should be done (later, maybe...)
  • "Alb year": done
  • "Artist caps": done
  • "Non-US stores": done
--Senvaikis (talk) 14:26, April 10, 2016 (UTC)
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