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What's the real issue?

In reply to my politely phrased request to be more considerate, you attacked and insulted me, which was a clear violation of LW:AGF, one of our basic policies. But even when your assertion (which had nothing to do with my initial post) was proven wrong by a witness, you sticked to an unfair conduct and refused to do the right thing: apologise. I'm sure you did that against better judgement.

Experience tells me: when such a thing occurs, there's a bigger issue lying beneath. This is why I want to give you the opportunity to set things straight: What are you actually so angry about?

And just so you know: I'll still gladly accept your apology.  · Lichtweber talk service  20:39, December 16, 2015 (UTC)

Look, LW, - let's not "make an elephant out of a fly", as speak Lithuanians. I'm not angry at all - maybe sometime I'm just too alergic to some things I'd not like to speak about right here and especially - right now, on Christmass' comming. So take it easy, but I don't think it would be a good idea to start again this vain discussion in public namespace. Let's wait a little (I'm going to take a lw-vacation from dec. 22 till NY), and I'm sure we'll find a better way to make things clear (just I'd suggest to use some other media for that, f.e. - email) and continue to get a fun from our collaboration. Actually, that's what I'm missing the most in these latter days' LW.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, - --Senvaikis (talk) 21:45, December 16, 2015 (UTC)
That's a deal, let me know your contact info. MC & HNY 2 u 2,  · Lichtweber talk service  18:34, December 17, 2015 (UTC)
Let's try to meet @chat, when both will be online... --Senvaikis (talk) 08:35, January 4, 2016 (UTC)
I'm still waiting  · Lichtweber talk service  17:38, January 25, 2016 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you know that I still haven't received any email from you. Error in address or just you've changed your mind to write me at all? In either case it would be nice to let me know the reason (I'll try to be logged in @chat awhile...) --Senvaikis (talk) 15:06, January 29, 2016 (UTC)

I would like to become an Admin

Hello! I was wondering if there was an admin request form, as I would like to become an admin. Thank you.--Jdastur (talk) 02:29, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

No, Jdastur, we don't have such request form. --Senvaikis (talk) 23:45, January 2, 2016 (UTC)

The Beatles are streamable

Hey Senv, in case you missed it, The Beatles catalog is now available on several streaming sites, see here. You might want to send in the bots to complete the song footer Wink. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 22:29, December 28, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, FB - nice to start a NY with good news from you, - thx!
done (+215 spots) --Senvaikis (talk) 22:39, January 2, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Senv Smile --Fassbrause (talk) 12:54, January 4, 2016 (UTC)

Album pages

Hey, Senvaikis! Happy new year! :) I was just letting you know, whenever I try to create an album page it seems to have trouble when there is a song with the same title. I've struggled with albums on these pages Mavis Staples and Allen Toussaint. When I try to publish, it always gives me an error message "Someone else has edited this page since you started", even though the page doesn't exist yet!

Cheers, (SirDogg (talk) 06:32, January 3, 2016 (UTC))

This is a known issue. A current workaround is to create the album at a temporary name and move it to the correct name. Hope this helps and happy new year - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 10:31, January 3, 2016 (UTC)

Strange, seems to still be a problem. Makes it kinda hard to create album pages and complete an artist's page. I've created a couple of temporary pages, but you still create this temporary page and it will still exists but only as a redirect to the correct page. The ones I created I've used a "Tmp" at the start of the page name, if you search for tmp, you'll find them. I've been editing this page Loudon Wainwright III, but there's a few album pages carrying the same title as a song. Should I keep creating these temporary pages or just leave the artist page with missing links and let the bots create them?

Cheers, (SirDogg (talk) 17:45, January 9, 2016 (UTC))

While this bug is not fixed, you may use one of two workarounds:
  1. create albums by yourself, marking an interstitial (tmp) pages with deletion request, f.e. {{Deletion|tmp bug fix result}}
  2. leave all this job for Lwt - just let me know an artist page, containing these albums
--Senvaikis (talk) 18:34, January 9, 2016 (UTC)

What does 'SF.iT' mean?

Thanks for adding the album to I Know What You Did Last Summer.

I'll make a page for Camila Cabello, but there won't be anything else on it (she's a member of Fifth Harmony and I gather that this is her only work aside from that). I'm not sure that deadlinks to an artist or album page ought to be seen as flaws in a song page, though; the song page itself is complete and entire and the link will be filled in when the artist/album page is eventually created.

What does SF.iT mean? --RWDCollinson (talk) 09:34, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

  • You are welcome.
  • Any deadlink is a flaw on any page, especially deadlink to a performer of golden song
  • SF.iT (SongFooter.iTunes) is the parameter "iTunes" of template {{SongFooter}} (fixed now). oops, - see PS
he, --Senvaikis (talk) 11:59, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
PS Only now noticed your "refix" :). Please, take a look at the documentation of {{ITunes}} to understand why you should revert your edition. Or just reask me, if you still have any questions.
I didn't actually notice that you'd changed the iTunes link, sorry. So you're saying that if something is released as a single, it should nevertheless be given the long link? On a related note, if something has been released as both a single and on an album, should the link be to the single-version or the album version?
My point about the deadlinks is that all a deadlink indicates is that another page doesn't exist. But the song page itself won't change in any way; the deadlink just prompts the page to be created by a user who is so inclined. It's obviously better to have the deadlink than to be missing this information (particularly in a case like this, where there are two artists; it would be just wrong to have it down as a single artist).
I can see that albums are different, because how good the 'album' article is, is obviously dependent on using actually being able to access the lyrics in that album. There's a real sense in which the album isn't complete if the song lyrics aren't present. But that doesn't seem to be true for the song page. --RWDCollinson (talk) 13:23, January 12, 2016 (UTC)
  • iTunes: Usually you should strive to provide an external links to the releases, listed on the song header (or, more generally - to releases, available on LW). But the actual issue isn't about what release (album or single) should be referrenced by SF.iT - regardless from release chosen, SongFooter.iTunes must point to the song on that release, but not release itself. You may not notice a big difference in case of single, containing just this one song, but that doesn't legitimize album-type SF.iT format on the song page. To illustrate that, let's walk through the song Emily Ann Roberts:In The Garden edit history:
    1. Lwt removes your sf.iT (1057025235 - just a dead-link)
    2. you set a new value: id1057025235
      • sure, this iT is much better - now it's not dead at least. But instead of pointing to the song album, it leads to the single release, not available on LW. And what is much worse, that's still the link to the release, but not to the song on that release. To make it more obvious, let's make one more "pseudoedition", making SF.iT=id1067660596 (ID of the album Emily Ann Roberts:The Voice: The Complete Season 9 Collection (2015)) and take a look at the resulting iTunes page. For a while let's just remember how does it look like.
    3. I changed it again, now - to id1067660596?i=1067660602
      • Now take a look at the final resulting iTunes page and notice an essential difference compared to previous one: now the 4th track (our song) is selected. In other words, this iT link points exactly to the the song it belongs to. This hardly noticeable difference may be crucial in many situations (f.e., for api's).
That's why I always insist to strictly follow data type definitions, i.e. - not apply parameters of one object (album) to a different type object (song). Let's recall these definitions (formats) for iT on:
  • artist page: iT=id### - leads to iTunes/artist
  • album page: iT=id### - leads to iTunes/album
  • song page: iT=id###?i=### - leads to iTunes/song
(all 3 may contain 2-letter country suffix for non-US iT stores, f.e. &cc=de)
  • Deadlinks: While being right in general (indeed, even a deadlink to the song performer is better than a missing performer), you are making a wrong conclusion that deadlinks don't affect the page itself "in any way". As you correctly noticed, deadlink on LW "prompts the page to be created". What does it mean in the terms of pageranking? Page you are ranking gold contains a link to the page, which should be, but is not yet created. Can you say that this page is "perfect", while the link remains red? No, imo. To make my point of view more obvious, try to imagine a)some artist page, containing a deadlinks to homepage, labels, genres, related artists (which possibly will not ever have a page on LW); or b)song page with a long list of all the albums it appears on (including those that will never have a page on LW as being redundant) or even longer list of covers, taken from SeconHand site (list length may be over 100 for some songs). Do you still think that "more is always better"? And would you rank such pages "gold"?
Hope this hulking response will be useful to you, despite to my broken English (sry, but should leave and have no time for spell checking).
he, --Senvaikis (talk) 17:55, January 12, 2016 (UTC)

Untagged Compilations

Senv, is there a way of finding compilation albums that don't have a compilation tag? tia, --ES (talk) 06:31, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

To answer your question I should make the definition of compilation album in your task more precise: does it include "true" (VA) compilations only or all compilation albums (including releases, containing a compilation of songs by one artist, like "Best Of", "Greatest Hits", "Box set" etc)?
As you understand, the task substantially depends on this definition. There are three possible variants, as I can imagine:
  1. Only VA compilations:
    • Task: find all VA albums (with title, not containing a colon, following by any non-whitespace character) and not containing "AH.type" tag set.
      • Problem: that (detecting) would be possible, but how could then we decide, that type is a compilation, not soundtrack, f.e?
  2. All compilation albums:
    • Task:find all albums that should be, but aren't marked by any "AH.type" value
      • Problem: mission impossible (at least for a bot) imo.
    • Task: find all compilation albums (with "AH.type=compilation album") and assign them to C:C by setting "AH.type=compilation"
      • Problem: task is easy, but it goes in contradiction to LW policy, which reserves compilation album.type "for multiple artist compilations only". Truth to tell, following this policy, you may want to run a "reverse" task - find all compilation albums by a single artist with "type=compilation" and change it into "compilation album" (i.e. - remove album from C:C)...:)
So, resume seems to be "no", but as always, there's a light suspicion that I've slightly misunderstood your question - let me know then ;)--Senvaikis (talk) 10:14, January 20, 2016 (UTC)
The default album created by the auto template doesn't have the type param, it has to be added manually, and gets forgotten occasionally, mea culpa.
My (usual) imprecise Compilation means any album that has more than one artist, -splits, -soundtracks. The hit list is not for remedy by bot.
So any album that doesn't have artist = VA should be in the clear + any album with an existing type like Compilation album, compilation, Box Set etc. A blank 'type label' but no param entered is a suspect, however.
Another rough approach may be looking for all albums whose first & last tracks are not by the same artist, excluding albums with type=any valid type. Hope that unravels a revelation ;-)
--ES (talk) 13:19, January 20, 2016 (UTC)
See Typeless VA albums(done, -deleted). --Senvaikis (talk) 19:31, January 20, 2016 (UTC)
Gracias! Mercifully short list,.. --ES (talk) 19:45, January 20, 2016 (UTC)

Info for watchers

Lwt now is finishing a job, fixing invalid iTs in ITunes/Songs. (over 2000 have been fixed already atm). Now remains the final stage of the job - handling ranked songs, not yet touched by Lwt.
This info is dedicated mainly to these songs watchers (see list for Ag and Au songs). Unfortunatelly it hardly will be noticed by the majority of watchers - most of them seem to be not active atm, but here are some currently active watchers, mentioned in above lists: CalMillbo, Lichtweber, Looksharp, Patzilla777, Redrkr, RWDCollinson, XxTimberlakexx, so please, - recheck your watched pages and update their info pages if needed (some invalid iT will be removed by Lwt, if it fail to find a valid song iTID). Feel free to alter Lwt revisions, if you find some errors.
tia, --Senvaikis (talk) 11:09, January 21, 2016 (UTC)
My golds done - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 18:45, January 21, 2016 (UTC)Well Done!
I don't certify with regards to iT (I simply do not have access) done  · Lichtweber talk service  20:46, January 21, 2016 (UTC)
Watching doesn't require neither certifying nor access to iT. Watcher's are supposed just to follow and validate all the edits on the watched pages, protect them from spammers and synchronize page ranking info to the page content. You don't need iT-access to notice, that song page contains invalid iT param (format, matching an album, not a song). Even if you don't notice that, you should not set/leave iTunes = "not applicable" on info page, while its owner contains filled-in SF.iT. So, your "{{done}}" sounds little strange, to put it mildly. Now - done.--Senvaikis (talk) 21:36, January 21, 2016 (UTC)
Thx for the fix  · Lichtweber talk service  22:47, January 21, 2016 (UTC)

Same song - same artist: different names

Hi Senv. What's the correct way if an artist has sung a song, first under a pseudonym, and later under his real name (the songtitle is the same in both versions).

  • create 2 songpages or
  • make a redirect

In 1979 as Lerryn (Oma Krug) and on a newer album Adelante con Rosa, Brecht y Che (2006) as Diether Dehm. --Ignor-the-ant (talk) 19:20, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

Latter imo (following a rule "one song - one page"). --Senvaikis (talk) 19:47, January 24, 2016 (UTC)
thx --Ignor-the-ant (talk) 19:57, January 24, 2016 (UTC)

Just Came To Stop By

Hello Senv, I just came by to chat if that's alright with you. I've got quite some time up my sleeve, and I want to spend it whenever I get the chance to do so. Thanks for reading this message. :)

 With pleasure and kindness,

   --LegoMaster2149 (talk) 21:48, January 29, 2016 (UTC)



please take a look at this IP.--FANMADE_Rainbow_Dash_Flying.gifRaintalk 13:37, February 1, 2016 (UTC)

done, - thx for info. --Senvaikis (talk) 13:49, February 1, 2016 (UTC)


Hello Senvaikis, I am glad to be contributing to this Wiki! I'll try to help as much as I can! :) — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ddlovatolovatic2 (talkcontribs).

Welcome on board! Happy editing, --Senvaikis (talk) 17:54, February 1, 2016 (UTC)

Why is this gold?

Why is this song gold?
-- Looksharp (talk) 18:08, February 1, 2016 (UTC)

If you have some doubts regarding any page, having a watcher, please discuss your doubts with him first. --Senvaikis (talk) 18:39, February 1, 2016 (UTC)
Why shouldn't it be? I certified the lyrics via the official lyrics video, added it to my watchlist, and filled out all of the information on the talk page.
I'm also confused why you asked Senv this when I'm the one who made it Gold... XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)19:34, February 1, 2016 (UTC)

Re: Just Came To Stop By

Hello again, Senv. You probably saw my other message on your talk page, saying if me and you wanted to talk or not. Well, I want to talk to you now about anything that pleases the both of us, whenever you can. (The beginning of the sentence probably didn't make any sense whatsoever, but whatevs.) See ya sometime! :D LegoMaster2149 (talk) 18:37, February 1, 2016 (UTC)

Responded on your talk page --Senvaikis (talk) 18:58, February 1, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about that Senv, see my full reply on my talk page: LegoMaster2149

A new bug?

Do you see the same broken edit window as me?
(Tried to switch off my.custom.css - didn't help...)
--Senvaikis (talk) 10:44, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
Yup, same here (on wikia skin; needless to say, monobook works fine), even when logged out. And it isn't even Wednesday yet… — 6×9 (Talk) 11:47, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
It seems to be coming from Special_SOTD.css, with textarea {width:280px; max-width:280px;}, and Oasis skin doesn't overwrite it (missing "important" next to its {width:100%})... --Senvaikis (talk) 12:20, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
Looks like it. No idea why they didn't use a more specific selector in sotd css; or maybe it was supposed to only load with the sotd form, and someone changed something somewhere so now it always loads… Anyway, I've let the staff know. — 6×9 (Talk) 13:58, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Just to let you know - we've been made aware, and we're looking into it. It does appear that the custom 'SOTD' extension enabled here has gone awry - we'll look into why. Kirkburn (talk) @fandom 15:53, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Hope this bug gets fixed soon, 'cause it's becoming very difficult to edit pages, especially adding lyrics. --Dr. Beat (talk) 14:48, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
Am I right, moving your post here (seems to me you are talking not about the bug below). If I'm right, I may only repeat the same workaroud I've suggested for FB - follow 6 and switch (at least temporarily) to monobook, as I did. --Senvaikis (talk) 14:54, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry about that. --Dr. Beat (talk) 16:14, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

I just tried some custom CSS to try and temporarily fix the issue - - and it seems to have worked. We'll still look into a proper fix, regardless. Kirkburn (talk) @fandom 16:55, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it works. Thanks! --Senvaikis (talk) 17:08, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Plumbing issues

Looks like Lwt gets confused by unexpected pipes… (not that I can blame it). — 6×9 (Talk) 12:14, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Damn, - I've seen this bug, but seems my lazy brain has quicly found a solution - sclerosis :).
Thx for a job, - now goin' to recheck all the labels...--Senvaikis (talk) 12:26, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
That's funny, but this label appears to be the one-off victim of the bug... :)--Senvaikis (talk) 13:07, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
There were five – found them in UncategorizedCategories. But good thing you checked anyway, eliminating the possibility of buggy yet categorized cats. Well Done!6×9 (Talk) 13:15, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
There was one bonus in your discovery - it led to discovery of another faulty labels group - without {{LabelCat}}, just manually categorized to C:L, thus naturally misordered in this cat).
Leavin' to fix this group...--Senvaikis (talk) 13:32, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Best Coast

Why are you working on Best Coast at the same time I am? You erased some of my work.
-- Looksharp (talk) 22:12, February 4, 2016 (UTC) The exact second, we were both working on The Only Place? I did the bonus tracks, but you edited over them. See Wikpedia. [1].
-- Looksharp (talk) 22:18, February 4, 2016 (UTC)

  • Why: Lwt is managing multiple categories, including Category:Album art without album (It'd contain now several tens of thousands members, if not Lwt). So, after detecting a new member in this category, it started a standard for such case procedure: checking if this album has at least one song with lyrics (adding missing lyrics, if avail.), and if album doesn't appear to be lyricless - creating it. All the remaining edits were just a natural sequence of further page tidying (reducing os by moving songs into existing albums bts or just creating new albums for them, adding required metadata to created pages etc).
  • Erased work: What exactly your work has been erased? Sorry, but I did not find any your edition, deleted or even overwritten by Lwt (or me) in edit history. If you are talking about some info, lost due to edit conflict, - well, that happens to me also sometimes. I'm just curious, what exactly info has been lost - let me know if you want me to restore it.
  • Bonus tracks(bts): Again, - sorry, but I haven't found any your edition with bts, deleted or overwritten by Lwt or me. In other words - I did not edit "over them". And what this WP link is for? To confirm, that bts, added by me, do match WP info?

Digital deluxe edition bonus tracks
12. Mean Girls
13. Angsty
Australian edition bonus tracks
12. Angsty
13. Storms
14. How They Want Me To Be
-- Looksharp (talk) 18:15, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

And the last note: sometimes, while intensively working on some page, you may want to use {{Working}} - it doesn't protect you from a bot aggression ;), but at least prevents possible human-edit conflicts. --Senvaikis (talk) 09:54, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I didn't know about "working." It's happened before -- getting interrupted, someone else publishes ahead of me, and my edits get clobbered. I don't want to use "working" all the time. Is there any other way for you to know what I'm working on so we don't "collide"? I thought the admins were too busy to mess with the easy stuff I'm working on. I thought they might be able to see what I'm working on while I'm doing it. As for my work on Best Coast, I was adding Bonus Tracks using the OL headers and had the tracks listed as they appear on the Wikpedia page. You used "bonus on digital edition". I used both "bonus tracks" and "bonus tracks on Australian edition" according to Wikipedia. Not a big deal. I'm not even sure I should change it after the work you did. The Australian edition has some tracks not listed on the digital edition.
-- Looksharp (talk) 18:04, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
  • Working:I hope you do not expect me (and especially Lwt) to check before each revision, if you (or anybody else) have worked on this page lately. Working such way would make automatic batch tasks de facto impossible. Moreover - how do you imagine details of such checking? Should I (Lwt) check only particular page (song, album, category, etc), or all the pages, potentially related to this page? Let's take our case for example: mentioned bts have been added to the album, created by Lwt, edited by me, and having no single your revision. How could then I know that you were in proces of this page edition atm? Or you seriously would like to stop all other users editions on all the pages, related to the artist you just started to work with? Take it easy, but that definitely goes behind our editing policy - your edition doesn't make you an "owner" of the page.
  • Bonus tracks:
    • If you still haven't study (or didn't understand) my comments to edit history shortcut, maden specially for you, my edition was based on info, taken exactly from this wp page (and mb), thus there was no need in this wp link (and morever - in its content reposting here)
    • {{OL}} is designed exactly for the cases like this one, when bonus tracks on different rereleases share the same tracklist numbers. But I didn't use it. Why? Australian edition contains bts, unavailable @LW atm, and I failed to find a lyrics for them. Thus I decided to include only bts from Deluxe Edition - both were available in OS atm. Such way I've had no more need in a complicated OL to produce the correct track-numbering (my rule - "don't use a microscope for the peanut shelling", or "never use a complicated instrument for the simple task")
  • Etiquette: that's not the first case you are reediting my previous messages, inserting your comments. Try to avoid such practice - all the flow of talk-page conversation inside the thread should go sequentially - in a "top-down" order.
--Senvaikis (talk) 20:16, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
"I hope you do not expect me (and especially Lwt)" - You got carried away here and following. All I did was ask a question.
-- Looksharp (talk) 20:41, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
All I did was an answer :). --Senvaikis (talk) 20:54, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Washington DC

What do 'ttt' and 'htc' mean, and why has Washington been removed from Marcus Hummon's profile? --RWDCollinson (talk) 14:52, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Here's the "translation" of comment: "Truth to tell, this hometown category should be fixed...". It was written while trying to fix your edition, which resulted by deadlink to unexisting category Hometown/United States/District of Columbia/Washington in artist header.
The problem is, that category Washington points not to the city Washington, D.C. (the capital of US, not a part of any US state), as you could expect, but to the US state Washington. The same should be said about the category District of Columbia - actually that's not one of states of US, but just an alias for Washington, D.C.
In other words, the real meaning of this comment is: I think that category Washington, D.C., deleted by XxTimberlakexx, should be restored, taking all the members of District of Columbia, and the latter category - deleted.
--Senvaikis (talk) 17:01, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. I had always been unsure on the matter but Washington, D.C. should be the hometown category since it's the more common name. District of Colombia can be deleted and everything moved to D.C. XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)18:08, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
Thx for fixing my mess – I forgot to plan for the eventuality of hometown param being entirely absent… (In hindsight, renaming offSite to homepage wasn't one of my better ideas either – too confusing, webpage would have been better.) — 6×9 (Talk) 21:44, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
Anyways - thx for a help :).
Regarding officialsite/homepage/webpage - all they have an essentially different meaning, but I suspect that in addition to both us there are few users, knowing them, thus indeed - current "duality" of this param is slightly redundant and confusing for most users imo.
Webpage? Hmm, - any webpage, dedicated to the artist? - not sure if that would not lead to even more confusions...
nite, --Senvaikis (talk) 22:07, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
Website, rather (again, typing faster than I was thinking). Not all artists have official sites, and some who don't have quite thorough fan pages. officialsite makes it sound like the latter wouldn't be allowed, although unofficially they are… — 6×9 (Talk) 09:06, February 6, 2016 (UTC)
Another possible hometown dupe: England/London over England/Greater London/London? Or is there a difference? XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)16:17, February 7, 2016 (UTC)
Yes, there's one essential difference imo: the latter category should not exist at all, because the ceremonial county of Greater London (in recent content often considered just as London) covers the 32 London boroughs but excludes the City of London - 1.12 mi2 area within London, having a status of city and county.
So, I'd suggest to merge both England/Greater London and England/Greater London/London into England/London, with possible moving some members from all these 3 cats into a newly created category England/London City). But that's just my humble opinion - to be honest, I'm not a big expert in the complicated administrative structure of England... :) --Senvaikis (talk) 19:08, February 7, 2016 (UTC)
As a Brit (who has never been to London), I think Senv's idea of moving them all to England/London is the most sensible option. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 19:17, February 7, 2016 (UTC)
Well, then maybe it would be fair to delegate this "reorganization" to you, Pat? :) --Senvaikis (talk) 07:54, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
done Reorganised ;) - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 22:44, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
Well Done!!, - thx, --Senvaikis (talk) 05:07, February 9, 2016 (UTC)
Not sure putting everything from GL/L into L/City of London was the right thing to do – I'd guess most of these weren't actually CoL but somewhere in London, put in GL/L for various reasons. Things were a lot simpler when we had UK as country and England as state…6×9 (Talk) 16:46, February 9, 2016 (UTC)
So why was it changed, anyway? To me, this makes no sense. Let's simply restore UK as country, England, Scotland and Wales as states. What do you say?  · Lichtweber talk service  18:24, February 9, 2016 (UTC)
Have fun.6×9 (Talk) 18:30, February 9, 2016 (UTC)

Funny discussion. Interesting that nobody asked if Scotland/England had their own foreign minister/own currencies. Or why Scotland held a referendum for independency ... Let's make Bavaria a country and Frankfurt a great nation of poets! Yay! ;)  · Lichtweber talk service  19:04, February 9, 2016 (UTC)

Dare I mention Gibraltar? (Guess I do, since I just did…) — 6×9 (Talk) 19:10, February 9, 2016 (UTC)
BOT, entities of their own, right?  · Lichtweber talk service  19:17, February 9, 2016 (UTC)
Should Category:Hometown/United States/New York/Bronx be renamed to The Bronx? XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)16:48, March 6, 2016 (UTC)
If opinion from Vilnius may be interesting to a native Yankee from Florida, - yes, imho :) --Senvaikis (talk) 18:10, March 6, 2016 (UTC)

Avoiding Red links

A crazy idea for avoiding redlinks --ES (talk) 10:17, February 8, 2016 (UTC)

Well, should say that I really welcome at least one change here (leaving only Georg Kreisler as artist in AH) :).
Regarding your "invention" of dead-link "recoloring" with {{lw}} - yes, it seemingly solves some problems, especially if you think that the main problem is the colour of the link ;). But such dead-link "masking" as being not dead isn't very fair imo - indeed, it partially solves some probs, but actually just hides them instead of complete resolving. What makes such "blue link to nothing" better compared to a simple (and fair) plain text? If you are leaving a complete list of song artists in albumtrack list, that should mean that all these artists should be included into these songs headers, in other words - that's just redeployment of the problem: you'll not "foolish" SH with {{lw}}...
Now let me ask you one more crazy question: if you agree that it's possible to ommit other artists in AH, why can't we repeat the same with SH, moving all the additional info about artists into album/song CreditBoxes? Wouldn't that be much simplier and more fair at the same time?
(my solution was a aesthetic joke to start a discussion!)
  1. I agree with your suggestion regarding better utilization of {{CreditBox}} for non prime performers. That was my solution for The Big Three Trio.
  2. It all depends on why we wish to avoid redlinks...fe: river of red @ <span style="color:#BA0000">Ponies @ Dawn</span>... Any ideas?
  3. Can the new SH be defined to blacklink (ur plaintext) SH.artists by command? 6! --ES (talk) 12:00, February 8, 2016 (UTC)
  1. Agreed. Also, if no performer is "main-er" than any other, I'd prefer unlinked "various artists" in SH & full listing in CB over a dozen names in SH.
  2. I don't like the idea of oodles of 1-song artist pages for compilations like the one you mention – but it would be difficult to draw a line. What about all those 1-song artists on the Nuggets compilations?
  3. is doable – either a keyword ("none" or "unlinked") & alias for display, or with special not-allowed-in-pagename chars, e.g. #Black Link displayed as Black Link. (I prefer 2nd poss. as easier to use & safe against keyword turning up as artist.) — 6×9 (Talk) 16:41, February 9, 2016 (UTC)
  1. My line is: if artist is not in our ref sites (list!) then it's a black link. This won't cut off one song cult figures and the stuff in the basement
  2. So no matter where a link exists, (talk pages, main etc.) it will be a dead link (with magic applied), correct?
  3. Q:Would a look up table (Black List) make any sense? So folks don't just turn colours ....--ES (talk) 18:03, February 9, 2016 (UTC)
@6: maybe I'm too slow-minded, but I'd think twice before voting for #3 - don't you afraid that additional complexity of sh - just a trifle compared to all possible consequences of such approach, de facto legitimising any song by any ghost?. I need to think... --Senvaikis (talk) 18:45, February 9, 2016 (UTC)
@ES: We're talking strictly about SH.artist param; any manual link will have to be unlinked manually.
@Senv: Added complexity is minimal (and wouldn't happen in SH but in subtemplate). The possible damage can be minimised, I think: Songs will either need valid refs or be linked from an album with valid refs, else they get slapped with {{RealityCheck}}. A bigger downside (for me) is that this creates a huge grey area with special-purpose artists – when do we create a spa page and when do we blacklink actual performers? — 6×9 (Talk) 19:27, February 9, 2016 (UTC)
That's exactly I've meant, speaking about the all possible consequences, which should be considered before (not after) taking such decision :) --Senvaikis (talk) 19:48, February 9, 2016 (UTC)
@6: Nuggets currently only needs another 40~ artists to be totally out of HS, I'm dealing with those, all the one's I made artist pages for recently have refs; there is valid data beyond lyrics...
  1. If we have a means of creating blacklinks in SH, we can run it for a while as a test and work out any wrinkles, meanwhile we can figure out why and when it is used.
  2. Red River tributaries seems like a good first example in blacklinking imho, because:
a) No artist info exists (even if somebody was eager to fetch it),
b) No lyrics; instrumental... why would anyone come to a lyric site to check out an instrumental? and what do we have to offer them besides {{Instrumental}} and a link to an album/list page full of dead ends?
@Senv: Re de facto legitimising any song by any ghost: eventually those perpetual data-less artists have to be deleted, once they have been blacklisted for long enough (like RC?), then they may be sent offline; reason: lacking U.N. backing data to justify remaining on site. hint: Operation Gibraltar --ES (talk) 23:42, February 9, 2016 (UTC)
  • "...perpetual data-less artists have to be deleted, once they have been blacklisted for long enough..." - how do you imagine deletion of not yet created artist page, ES? Or do you mean deletion of the songs by that "artist"? But how do you get the list of these songs? - blacklinked artist doesn't generate any backlinks to the pages it resides on. {{SongsByArtistCat}} also isn't applicable here, as you understand. So, maybe {{SongHeader}} should take care of such "categorizing"? (6?)
  • "...for long enough..." - for how long? And doesn't that mean that for all this time any ghost will remain absolutely legitimate? What should be done then to avoid almost uncontrollable flood of "songs", "performed" by poets, composers, producers, unknown backing-vocalists or just "home-musicians"? And how should we protect LW from the same ghost reappearing through this wormhole, - for a new "legitimate" time interval?
In other words, I just want to show you, that #3 would lead us to entire new layer of administration (not as simple, as it may look like at the first glance), thus it should be carefully discussed (@AP, I suppose ;)) before taking such decision. --Senvaikis (talk) 07:46, February 10, 2016 (UTC)

Youtube Embeds

You just moved the music video I uploaded yesterday for Jason Michael Carroll:Let It Rain from the footer, to being embedded.

My thought was that this is a fan video (using footage from the television show 'Lost'), and if it were embedded people might be confused that it's an official music video. But if you don't think that's a problem, then it's not a problem. RWDCollinson (talk) 10:03, February 12, 2016 (UTC)

The problem was in invalid format of - this video appeared to be embedded anyways - just in improper position. If you don't want this yt to be embedded, feel free to return it into simple external links by removing {{Youtube embed}} and setting SongFooter parameter "youtube = y9jRqbgSQBM".
hth, --Senvaikis (talk) 10:51, February 12, 2016 (UTC)

Hometown subdivisions

On occasion of recent editions of yours, I'd like to finally settle the question on how subdivisions of countries should be noted and made subcategories of hometown.

As an example, the Hungarian county hu:Csongrád megye Wikipedia16 is listed on English Wp as Csongrád County Wikipedia16. Help:Artists states: "(...) please use the same place-names that English Wikipedia uses for their article titles". Wouldn't you agree that this would result in a ht category Category:Hometown/Hungary/Csongrád County? And in general, in always using the English names of subdiv? I would, however, support a motion to change that to noting native names for all hometown cat, if that's something you're planning. Or even better, note the ISO code in templates and individually transclude them to user's language pref at LW  · Lichtweber talk service  18:33, February 16, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, but I wasn't going to change anything in Hungarian ht notation - I just restored ht, changed by you (change was made without any prediscussion and made this ht notation different from other Hungarian hts). Don't know what where your plans (change just this one ht, change all the Hungarian hts, or change all the hts for all the countries like Hungary, Japan, Ukraine etc?), but anyways you'd better discuss them next time before making any changes in categories. --Senvaikis (talk) 19:52, February 16, 2016 (UTC)
As implied above, I made the changes according to our policies as I understand them. So could you please tell me if you agree with me on that understanding or not. And if not: why not? Thx,  · Lichtweber talk service  20:15, February 16, 2016 (UTC)
  1. Even if I'd agree with your literal interpretation of Help:Artists recommendations, such changes should never be applied to a single ht for consistency reasons. So, one hu:htc changing should be necessarily followed by according changes for all remaining hu:htcs (and related artists, naturally). Were you going to start such batch job? And don't you think that such change order just must be discussed and approved before starting any changes?
  2. Returning to the interpretation of lw:docs - I don't think that we should always literally repeat the complete text of wp article title. The main idea of this lw docs requirement imo is using the same English names for the places (Copenhagen instead København), but not necessarily for adding all these wp-types of places (county, region, province, canton etc). (WP itself not always uses these types for some countries, if you have noticed). I just want to tell that I'd never agree to create a htc, titled Lithuania/Klaipėda County - any possible translation of this administrative division type (grafystė/apygarda) doesn't fit the actual Lithuanian meaning (the most precise translation of "rajonas" should sound as "region"), not to mention that it sounds terrible for any Lithuanian ear. That's why I tend to believe that the Japanese or Hungarian htcs could be determined (when they have been created) by the same or similar reasons, and I don't see any policy violation here.
--Senvaikis (talk) 22:09, February 16, 2016 (UTC)
  1. No doubt about changing all of them. I didn't discuss them because, to me, it was evident, and if you take a closer look you might find that Hometown/Hungary/Csongrád was about the town of Csongrád before my changes. Now it points to the Csongrád megye. So maybe we need a general discussion on places and subdivisions, as suggested in my initial post.
  2. From what I get, the name of this entity is Csongrád megye, not Csongrád, Csongrád being the town, Csongrád megye being the county in the Great Plains region. Please see Hungarian WP.  · Lichtweber talk service  03:42, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
  1. No need to ask me taking "a closer look" to find who has finaly fixed Hungary/Csongrád,
  2. and no need in pointing me to hu:wp, while according to our htc requirements all htc links should point to en:wp. That's why Category:Hometown/Hungary/Csongrád still points to Csongrád County, not to Csongrád megye, as well as Category:Hometown/Japan/Fukuoka is linked to Fukuoka Prefecture instead of 福岡県.
--Senvaikis (talk) 06:48, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
P.S. sorry - have missed one more your question - about the "possible general discussion on places and subdivisions". Sure, you are always free to start such a discussion (contrary to undiscussed and inconsistent edits). Moreover - I'm pretty sure that htcs for some countries might be reviewed/fixed in the result of such discussion. One of possible targets for such fix could be Ukraine imo (wp-style additional notation "oblast" fits pretty much to the native Ukrainian term "область"). But regarding your idea to "translate" all htcs names into their native languages - I'm not sure that such idea would be accepted. We may ask for other users/admins opinion right here for simplicity. As for me - I'd vote against. --Senvaikis (talk) 07:33, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
It is not a question you seem to miss, but my attempts to make you aware of the fact that "Csongrád" is plain wrong for the entity (Csongrád megye) we're talking about. Megye translates to county, and is part of the entity's name. You can't just cut it in half. Thus, according to current policy, the category's correct name is Csongrád County. Cutting the County part off is almost as if you'd create a category for the German state of Saxony Anhalt, but name it "Saxony", cutting off the last part. It's wrong and points to a different entity. That's my last attempt to point you to this mistake.  · Lichtweber talk service  17:40, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
What I'm getting from the (English) WP page is that the page for "Czongrád County" is only called thus for disambiguation purposes (see bold text in article), and the town and county have the same name (see Luxembourg, capital of Luxembourg). Other Hungarian counties have probably have "county" in the name for consistency between page names. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 17:59, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
I beg to differ: On hu:wp it is called "Czongrád megye" without parenteses, on en:wp it is noted as the literal translation, also without parentheses. If it was for disambig only, wp:en would list it as Czongrád (county) (in parentheses, county lower case; upper case indicating a part of a name).  · Lichtweber talk service  18:18, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
Parenthetical disambiguation is only used when other disambiguation methods aren't available (detailed on this help page). The article for "Luxembourg City" used to be called "Luxembourg (city)", but was moved because it is a natural disambiguation. Same goes for counties like Csongrád. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 18:26, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
Keeping my promise to refrain from any comments, I may just take one more, the last attempt to help you realize finally an essential difference between the name of administrative division unit (Czongrád, Fukuoka) and the name of administrative division type (County, Prefecture). If you don't accept my point of view, take one more look at the map of Hungarian Administrative divisions (and the list of this division units below the map). If you still wanna stick to Hungarian wp, - well, look at the same page at hu:wp. What a name for Czongrád do you see on both these pages LW?. --Senvaikis (talk) 19:37, February 17, 2016 (UTC)
Settled. Thanks for your help resolving this issue, Pat  · Lichtweber talk service  16:26, February 18, 2016 (UTC)

Les Doigts de l'Homme / lyricless entities

Hi, I don't understand why you deleted the album pages, is it because it was a songless artist? I'm going to transcribe an album at least Idlusen (talk) 10:26, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Idlusen
LW is lyrics-dedicated site, not intended to include entire artists discography, with all lyricless or completely instrumental releases.
Hope you've read my comments to this edition - you are free to restore any album from the edit history or create a new one, containing available (or transcribed by you) lyrics, as I've done with Les Doigts de l'Homme (2005), as an example for you - this release contains at least several songs with lyrics, and one of them was available on Inet (btw, it needs to be human-rechecked imo).
--Senvaikis (talk) 10:55, February 27, 2016 (UTC)
Well I'm aware of that, and as for your comment I wasn't sure it meant what you explicited here.
Simply I tend to create the pages in the artist->(albums->)songs order, and I don't know how fast you edit or transcribe, but I think that deletion was a bit premature? Or maybe I didn't realize the page creation order should be songs->albums->artist.
I admit I don't own/know all the albums and maybe there is lyricless albums among them, this I should have more rigorously checked Idlusen (talk) 11:14, February 27, 2016 (UTC)
Actually I'm using the same order for my ordinary edits (artist->album(s)->song(s)), - just I'm striving to refrain from creating any album or artist page untill I've found at least one song (with reliable evidence of its existing and available lyrics) for this page. --Senvaikis (talk) 11:43, February 27, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for the clarification, I'll keep that in mind. I got a bit ahead of myself with a script I wrote to generate artist/album pages from musicbrainz discographies.
But this reminds me an interrogation I had not long ago: isn't it possible to reference songs of which lyrics you can't transcribe (because of language) nor find (because of rarity) in hope that the community will generously provide them later? Idlusen (talk) 11:53, February 27, 2016 (UTC)
That's why I made above mentioned sample for you - I think it's a quite good answer to your question: this album does contain some "red" songs with lyrics I failed to find and left that job for community (you including). But I'd never create this album page if I failed to find a lyrics for at least one single song ("140 C")... I'm trying to follow my own sequence of rules: "no lyricless songs -> no totally lyricless albums -> no lyricless artists without reliable metadata".
In other words, you may create a "red" link to a song, suggesting such way community to find/transcribe a lyrics you failed to find or trabscribe, but the best way for doing that is to find reliable info about release, containing this song and include this release into artist page. If you fail to find any reliable info about the song, then I'd not recommend to include it on artist page at all. Actually I haven't said nothing new here - you positively know that "Other Songs" list should not contain red links (that means: "no lyricless songs without any additional info about them"). The same goes to albums: no reliable metadata - no album page; with one additional condition: totally lyricless tracklist - no album page again.
Hope I was clear enough, and happy editing :) --Senvaikis (talk) 14:10, February 27, 2016 (UTC)
It's clearer now. Sorry, I've been here for about a week, I need some time to fit in. Again, thank you, and happy admining Idlusen (talk) 14:31, February 27, 2016 (UTC)


So no notations but can i mention who sings which verse? because people get confused about who's singing in terms of bands. Beyonder (talk) 12:20, March 4, 2016 (UTC)BeyonderGodOmnipotent

Try to be more specific, please:
  1. Have you read our Help?
  2. What part of our docs you did not understand?
  3. What particular song are you speaking about?
--Senvaikis (talk) 12:29, March 4, 2016 (UTC)

Beetlejuice (1988)

You previously deleted this page. I'm not sure when a film soundtrack needs to have an artist prefix - two songs on this album are by a different artist, the rest are by Danny Elfman. I have the album listed on his page at Danny Elfman#Beetlejuice (1988). Could you restore the album page and move it to the correct artist prefix, if necessary? Thanks, ~Bobogoobo (talk) 04:27, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

Was deleted per BadPageName. Correct PN:Danny Elfman:Beetlejuice (1988)‎ --ES (talk) 04:55, March 10, 2016 (UTC)

who is founder hereEзекијел Блеф (talk) 18:25, March 11, 2016 (UTC)

Move request

Hi, please rename the following pages, as I cannot due to not having sufficient privileges.

I changed all links to the song already, but not the image so that it wouldn't be broken pending renaming.
Thanks, ~Bobogoobo (talk) 21:32, March 12, 2016 (UTC)

#1 doesn't need a move, see my edit to the page. #2 is moved, not sure why you couldnt... --ES (talk) 21:42, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
My mistake, I didn't look and assumed it was a redirect. As for #2, per Special:ListGroupRights, autoconfirmed does not have the movefile right. There is the Content Moderators group, which seems to be a step below admins but has no members currently. ~Bobogoobo (talk) 21:48, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
@B: regarding #2:
  • contrary to the pages in the main namespace, there's no sense to leave redirects for images, thus image renaming actually is equivalent to its moving, i.e. - old image deleting and the same image reuploading under the new name. You may do that by requesting an old image deletion (use {{Deletion}} for that) and reuploading the same image under a new name.
  • try to chose a name for album art image, matching exactly (case sensitive) to the display part of album title, as I did for your image.
hth, and happy editing, --Senvaikis (talk) 22:15, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for the tips, I will keep the casing in mind. However, I don't like re-uploading as it does away with the previous uploader's contribution and the file history (plus, more work :P). You can disable leaving a redirect via the checkbox on MovePage for files, unless that has been changed on this wiki. ~Bobogoobo (talk) 22:38, March 12, 2016 (UTC)

Links to Redirects in Lists

ArtistProc in Lwt allows mass fixing of ltrz on artist pages. Is there such facility available for list pages?
Was hoping to fix LyricWiki:Lists/Rolling Stone: The 500 Greatest Songs of All Time, and similar lists without manual intervention... tia --ES (talk) 02:47, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, ES, but Lwt hasn't ever been (and still is not) equiped by such "facility" for list pages.
...Maybe CustButton...? :) --Senvaikis (talk) 12:54, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
So you don't think it is advisable that I temporarily insert AH/AF on the list page and persuade Lwt... ;-)
..CustButton? We'll see if 123f is willing & inclined...
On a related note, in a past conversation you implied (or I misunderstood, not rare!) that the css mods that makes links to redirect coloured are now available to all users. Is it available to all without editing custom.css? --ES (talk) 13:06, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
  1. Sry, but list pages still are out of Lwt scope, so, - persuade better LW - that's mostly his department yet... ;)
  2. Let's hope :) (I could help him with lw api requests, if needed...)
  3. Yes, available. But availability !== implementation. To implement the same links colouring scheme for all LW users, it should be included into MediaWiki:Wikia.css. I was almost sure that has been done already by 6, but now, after a brief check, I'm no longer sure... :)
--Senvaikis (talk) 13:50, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
IIRC the plan was to first discuss this change on the AP – which somehow never happened aka I forgot. Doubt anyone would oppose the if, but the how could lead to pages & pages of bikeshedding discussion. My light-blue bg looks ugly, which in my book is a good thing (motivation for resolving ltrs) but I somehow can't imagine everyone agreeing… — 6×9 (Talk) 19:16, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
Here's one! (who agrees, that is) :)  · Lichtweber talk service  20:32, March 13, 2016 (UTC)
Sounds good to me too! (though people may wonder why some links are coloured differently) - OneTwoThreeFall talk 15:28, March 14, 2016 (UTC)
That's unavoidable, no matter how we differentiate them; but a notice on the CP and a FAQ entry should help. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:23, March 14, 2016 (UTC)
This'd be a nice little task for a script! I've managed to make something that finds all the redirects in the text (using API action=parse&text=pagetext, then finding links with class 'mw-redirect'). I don't have any API experience though, so I'm not sure how to find where the redirects actually redirect to… Any tips?  :) - OneTwoThreeFall talk 15:28, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

@123F: You may save your efforts & time without a slow & expensive parsing f-n. All required info (the list of redirs & their targets) may be obtained by a single api call. Chose the fornat (xml/json) you prefer (I'd recommend json as faster imo). gl, --Senvaikis (talk) 16:02, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

PS: sry, - should have warned - parameter gpllimit value for non-bot account should not exceed 500... (example was taken from Lwt library - limit for bots is 5000...)
Thank you for the call! I had tried action=parse first, as it's what you had used in the CustomButtons FixOs function to find redirects. The script is functional now, for those interested in trying it! (side-note: seems the limit for admin accounts is 5000 too, according to API warning) - OneTwoThreeFall talk 16:32, March 15, 2016 (UTC)
OS fixing task requires to know the position of link on the page - that's why parsing f-n was unavoidable in this case (or at least I thought so - now I'm not sure... :)).
Regarding gpllimit: I know you know that, - but just for others: custButton (CB) action is a client-side js, running under permissions of user, which clicks on it, - i.e. CBs api calls should use <=500 limit to be working for all users. --Senvaikis (talk) 18:17, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

Reading Senv's last post on 6's page about the OS cleanup script (which I used for a while, and discarded in one of my editions to my js), I think we need all the js code and associated buttons in one central location, so interested parties (moi, moi!) can find them and install them without chasing Senv's semi-regular editions to his code ;) The good stuff needs maximum exposure. --ES (talk) 22:22, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

And regarding colouring of ltrz, if ugly is the way to go, why not RC pink bg? (not that I have anything against Senv's version that I am using, or 6's fav) --ES (talk) 22:26, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Wyclef Jean:Any Other Day

Is still protected, can you resolve it? Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 12:29, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

done--Senvaikis (talk) 12:36, March 14, 2016 (UTC)
Thank you! --Fassbrause (talk) 12:51, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Frmt (en-articles)

As usual, excellent job with this script. Not in rake Wink category, but there is one instance when article is erroneously lower cased; when preceded by ") ". You'll see it by running the script on The Charlie Daniels Band:Simple Man (1989). Thanks for sharing! --ES (talk) 07:29, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

Yes, - actually I knew that, as well as lowercasing of articles, succeeded by " (", like Jim James:Tribute To (2009).
Thanks for reminding, - that's fixable, contrary to some other cases like "Come On", "Wake Up" etc - they are not as easy to resolve, thus human-recheck remains necessary anyways :)
Btw, while you are here - 2 notes about your common.js:
  1. entire main module, taken from my old common.js, should be excluded as outdated(!) and duplicating CustomButtons-js (see my current common.js)
  2. You may also remove costomization variables (loadSpot & loadPrefills), if you don't use them anyways (see 123Fs common.js)
--Senvaikis (talk) 08:19, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
ty. done cheers --ES (talk) 09:01, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
done also, including additional fix for medleys (preceeding/succeeding " / "). You may want to refresh ur cache to notice a difference. --Senvaikis (talk) 09:57, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
Let me know if it works for you, and thx for spell checking :) --Senvaikis (talk) 10:25, March 16, 2016 (UTC)
Please see: Last revision of Lindsay Lohan. not trying to be red, Medley was the msg keyword, fix was must ;-) --ES (talk) 10:59, March 16, 2016 (UTC)

C & K Whiteleys

I have added content to the page "Chris and Ken Whiteley" but apparently there is a problem with the naming policy. I checked everything over I added and it is confirmed that I haven't made any errors. I do believe the error with the naming policy is the name of the the actual page.


I believe it should be: Chris And Ken Whiteley

Please let me know if this is repairable. --Thecaringguy (talk) 11:30, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

done: Nothing (almost) is irreparable on LW: "C and K" -> "C And K" (as per lw:pn, - you are right), then -> "C & K" as per album. --Senvaikis (talk) 12:04, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

Batch move request for Pezet

Hi! I have request to move some of the songs on Łona and Pezet - when I created them, I didn't really paid attention to producers (which was a mistake, they're both equally important).

I'll handle artist pages for these 4 after you move them. Pages Pezet-Noon and Łona I Webber are redirects to Pezet and Łona, both of them did some solo work earlier/later, so I basically want you to split those. TIA --Ozpl (talk) 13:59, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

I deleted Łona:Łona, Webber & The Pimps W S-1 (2013), as you requested. All other your requests actually may be resolved by yourself - just use redirects (anyways Lwt can't be used for that - that's a manual job, not a simple batchmove, sry). --Senvaikis (talk) 12:14, March 20, 2016 (UTC)
Oh, ok, I didn't know that... Thanks for deletion, I'll start renaming it soon. --Ozpl (talk) 12:29, March 20, 2016 (UTC)

RTL album

Hi, I noticed you moved a page or two in Category:Albums Hebrew and was wondering if that is the correct format for placement of the release year in RTL script. I can't make sense of it. Thanks, ~Bobogoobo (talk) 09:39, March 20, 2016 (UTC)

I do believe some mistakes (not only mentioned ones) could be made by me or Lwt in that cat (should confess that formatting in RTL always was real pita for me). So, if you notice some errors - please, feel free to fix them, - tia, --Senvaikis (talk) 09:49, March 20, 2016 (UTC)
What is the correct formatting for those, then? The one used (seems to be how this text editor wants to put the different directions side by side), or should it be "tsitra:mubla (year)"? ~Bobogoobo (talk) 10:03, March 20, 2016 (UTC)
I'd like to be a guru in all the possible fields, but, as I've mentioned already, there are still some (few) questions I'm not quite good enough ;). Despite to his Canadian location, ES may be more useful to you, I suppose, - try to contact him. --Senvaikis (talk) 10:16, March 20, 2016 (UTC)
Understood, thanks. I've posted on Community Portal to gather everyone's expertise. ~Bobogoobo (talk) 10:26, March 20, 2016 (UTC)

CustomButtons small request

Hi, big thanks for User:Senvaikis/CustomButtons-js. I have a couple minor requests for the tidyLyrics function. One, could you have it remove semicolons at the ends of lines in lyrics as well? Two, please have it append to the edit summary rather than replacing it. Would also appreciate being able to personalize the edit summary it uses, but that's not necessary. Thanks, ~Bobogoobo (talk) 06:06, March 29, 2016 (UTC)

Thx sv! How did '-' get left out from eol nuke list then?! ;-) --(es)10:27, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
@ES: It has never been here (in my version of LyricsFormat).--Senvaikis (talk) 10:46, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
I guess 123...Forgot! wouldn't you agree that eol '-' is no diff than ',' or ';' or even '/'?
Another highly valuable tool from Lwt's functions that may be added to the custom buttons would be its' Wikifyer... keeping fingers croosed --ES (talk) 11:14, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
You've forgotten one more thing - I'm still on vacation... ,)--Senvaikis (talk) 11:26, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
How could aye' !Wink!
I did mention fish in my edit comments, didn't I? I am only fishing for you opinion. The only urgent matter is to not rock the boat or scare the fishies. --ES (talk) 11:45, March 29, 2016 (UTC) we need a fish emoticon
Luxemburg is not the best place for fishing, imo ;) Sad (and strange), but it's not the best place for LW editing also... Should say that Lithuanian Inet infrastructure is much better. And one more observation - LW is extremely unfriendly to iPads, Nooks and other mobile device owners... That's why I'm stil not sure if BB's request's completed...--Senvaikis (talk) 12:56, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
@BB: regarding additional personalisation of edition summary: I'm not sure if that wouldn't be redundant - isn't the default personalisation, added automatically to any revision, sufficient to you? --Senvaikis (talk) 13:33, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
(wishing out loud) I'd rather it was less verbose. How about frmt / Anno>cb / ltr instead of the defaults, or as personalized strings? I haven't seen it replacing, it appends, but in certain sequences forgets the separator. Would be nice if it could say ...fetch mb and insert in SF. --ES (talk) 13:58, March 29, 2016 (UTC) You should have taken ۴۲ on vacation, to match the Lux'n internet capabilities, the pic is very approp, if I may say so myself...
Yet another wld be tidy up aa, -rm \r|\n runs, frmt en-articles in SHs/Sh.alb, fry fish... --ES (talk) 14:28, March 29, 2016 (UTC)
In my opinion, "verbose" edit summaries are a good thing (saves people having to quiz you on what they mean!). Saying that, I made them customisable a little while ago - add the lines below to the top of your common.js page and change the text between the ' ' however you like, or change it to false (e.g. window.tidyLyricsSummary = false;) and nothing will be added to the summary.
window.tidyLyricsSummary = 'formatting';
window.addAnnotationsSummary = 'annotations into creditbox';
window.resolveRedirectsSummary = 'resolve redirects';
- OneTwoThreeFall talk 16:41, March 30, 2016 (UTC)
That's fine until you try to imagine a wide library of customizable js-buttons, each of them having a set of customizable summaries (some buttons may produce a set of different summary-sequences, depending on edition results). I'm not sure if mentioned "reason" is worth our efforts for such hyper-customization, growing with each new addin. I'd better like to see at least the "must-to-do-customizations" implemented first of all... ;) --Senvaikis (talk) 20:31, March 30, 2016 (UTC)
This is just what the js throws into edit comment, primarily for the editor to keep track of what was changed on page, before even saving. I click resolve redirs, if comment is filled, I preview the ResRed result for accuracy (may have to change some display text to match the resolution) if nothing appears in comment, I move on to next task (frmt en-articles), etc..
Any editor whether editing manually or by js can wipe the standard/customized comments and put something else or just nothing. --ES (talk) 21:27, March 30, 2016 (UTC)
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