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I would like to ask if I could redesign this wiki's mainpage. I have designed, and more!

So, please, can you unprotect the mainpage for a short time? You can always roll back the spam and etc. Thank you! :)

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Azending (talkcontribs), 05:49, 2 April 2014.
Sorry, but the answer is negative. Take it easy, but here are only some reasons for such answer:
  • the length of your contribution list
  • content of your contribs
  • any discussions or at least info about a changes you'd like to make
  • the style of your (unsigned, all-caps-subjected) message
If you really have some good idea(s) for our main page redesign, please discuss them better with other our admin LWChris.
--Senvaikis (talk) 06:25, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

Me again

I saw your comment on Mainpage/slide on Britney Spears Wiki. I usually always have to make changes ( a lot ) because I need to test if it works properly.

Oh, and the ideas...well...I don't know. I will Basically change the whole design from what I think it should look like. Such as adding a different font, making templates and so on...but...I'm not sure how I'm going to make templates because only admins can.

And, I certainly understand how the contributions are very less and you can't trust me but sometimes, you just have to trust the person. :) — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Azending (talkcontribs), 04:22, 3 April 2014.

Recent Songs of the Day

When visiting the recent songs of the day page, one can read after the paragraph "Recent Songs of the Day":

April 2012

Could the date please get corrected? :)

--Fassbrause (talk) 13:03, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

done--Senvaikis (talk) 14:38, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you :) --Fassbrause (talk) 16:02, April 9, 2014 (UTC)

Deleted pages & Lyricfind page merging

Hi Senvaikis,

Under artist Blank & Jones song pages Nightclubbing, Desire & Beyond Time have been deleted by "Senvaikis" with comment "dead-end page etc. /Lwt". What's this all about & why have they been deleted? The pages are actual songs of Blank & Jones & the lyrics maybe one word repeated over but it's still a valid song page (from what I understand of songs pages). Can you please advise why theses pages are deleted. Thanks.

Also, on artist page OceanLab song OceanLab:Sirens Of The Sea has a number of merge requests with the Sirens Of The Sea song lyrics that I have already edited. These current lyrics are word perfect & I don't want anything merged with the page I have already edited. I have seen a couple of other song pages which had been merged & they were nothing but pages of garbled garbage. Please advise what these merge requests are all about & how do I cancel them (if I can that is)? Thanks Senny.

Regards, Ritchie. Katesbush999 (talk) 11:33, April 10, 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ritchie, thanks for catching this.
Now about:
  • deletions:
I agree, - mentioned pages shouldn't have been deleted. That's almost inevitable result of most "batched" cleaning jobs - some usefull things sometimes may travell into trashbox together with a garbage ;). My cyborg Lwt was cleaning all lyricless and instrumental song pages. Job was running under my account (admin privileges are required for deletions). That's where from this ludicrous "comment" have came - I was just lazy to recode it, thus better just ignore & forget it :). During this job all songs with lyrics content.length < 16 were checked - that's the length of "{{Instrumental}}", and it was applied for songs containing only "instrumental" in their lyricbox. If lyricsbox was empty or contained only one word or only artist/song title or "bonus/hidden track" etc, - song used to be deleted as having no lyrics. Yes, some songs may have a lyrics, containing just one repeated word or a short phrase, but if you want to avoid such "cleaning" in the future, it would be better to add some notation to that word/phrase, like "(repeated...)", "x#n" etc. On the other hand, if you asked me - I'd say that the term of "song lyrics", applied to above mentioned songs, looks little funny to me - they sound more like instrumentals imo. But that's only my humble opinion. That's why I'm going to restore (done) mentioned pages to let you make your own decision. Please, feel free to let me know if you notice more facts of my cyborgs' bluster :)
  • GN & LF merges
Let alone my opinion about the current situation in all this "GNLF" stuff, - that's too painfull for me ;) Anyhow, you can resolve this issue for any particular song by yourself. If you are definitelly sure that LW page version contains the correct lyrics and metadata, then you can get rid of these merge requests by a)redirecting every merge source page to a given LW page and b)removing all (redirected) merge requests on LW page.
Just one note: don't forget that merge considers joining not only lyrics , but metadata (credits etc) also...
regards, --Senvaikis (talk) 13:26, April 10, 2014 (UTC)


How do you find those iTunes, Goear, Allmusic, and MusicBrainz codes to put on pages? Our passion is our strength▓ 13:27, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

My experience in metadata searching/entering hardly may be usefull to you, 'cause I'm using my bot Lwt for that.
But your browser also may be used as a quite handy tool for this task. Every artist/album/song page contains a default footer template at the bottom of the page. These templates automatically generate a links to external info pages (if parameter is filled in) or to according external data search page (if parameter is empty).
So, if you are looking for missing muzicbrainz, amazon, discogs or allmusic info - just open according footer link (preferrably - in a new browser tab or window) and look for desired info, then copy/paste required part of the search result page address.
For iTunes use iTunes Link Maker, for audio - goear, for youtube - youtube. Predefined patterns for parameter values are described in according template documentation (see {{ArtistFooter}}, {{AlbumFooter}}, {{SongFooter}}).
Hth, but feel free to ask any questions, if you find my description not clear enough :) --Senvaikis (talk) 15:15, April 28, 2014 (UTC)


Oh ,god. How any badges do you have?
— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Niceperson (talkcontribs), 19:33, May 7, 2014 (UTC).
Hi, Zoom.
Supposing your question was "How many?", should say I just don't know (option box "Hide my achievements..." is checked in my preferences) :) --Senvaikis (talk) 19:44, May 8, 2014 (UTC)


Greetings Senv - been a while Wink

So, another artist problem I've discovered. While working on the Fast Times at Ridgemont High soundtrack, I came across the band Ravyns. The only problem is, I'm finding that they're credited both to Ravyns and The Ravyns around the web. Their official site, Wikipedia, iTunes, and Allmusic all credit them with "The" in their band name, but Discogs, MusicBrainz, and the cover of the Fast Times soundtrack credit them without "The". Not to mention their only album is called The Ravyns, so that's even more confusion added...
I was considering re-batchmoving them to The Ravyns as their official site credits them as such, but I'm finding mixed info as you can see - so what do you think I should do? XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)21:57, May 16, 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Nick.
I agree with you (-> The Ravyns); done.
Cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 07:40, May 17, 2014 (UTC)
Alright, thanks! Smile While I'm here, would it be too much to ask for you to possibly take care of a few of my requests on this page? They've been sitting there for months, and ever since Echo vanished nobody's been really monitoring that page. XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)21:53, May 17, 2014 (UTC)
As much as I appreciate you doing the Fats Domino request (thanks for that, by the way), that was actually the newest request I added to my list. Some of my requests have been sitting there for months and should be tended to at some point. When you have time, of course. XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)21:31, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
Well, request for One From The Heart merge was the last task in your list, where Lwt could be usefull. Hope you don't be mad on me for swapping of merge direction - while formally this album is a classical sample of collaboration, but we hardly may speak about any parity of collaboration partners here, 'cause
  • all songs have been written by TW,
  • Academy Award for this album also belongs to TW,
  • thus most sources represent these songs as songs by TW,
  • thus most LW visitors will be searching for this album lyrics as songs by TW
  • finally I just adore him ;)
Cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 07:33, May 23, 2014 (UTC)
I was a bit confused why you swapped the merge direction at first, but I guess that works, despite Wikipedia equally crediting them both. Feel free to tackle some of the other requests soon. Smile XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)20:08, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

Any Ideas What and How to Do?

... with Les Miserables and Les Misérables? Totally redundant, and masses of pages ...  · Lichtweber talk service  01:41, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Seems I hardly may add any word of wisdom to your explicit estimation ("misery").
There are several reasons for that, but the main is practically "unbotable" nature of such tasks. That's evident I'd never made my 5.5 mln edits without my Lwt. Thus naturally I'm interested mostly in tasks, available for Lwt - and that's the main reason of my apparent "incompetence" in some other fields, like one you surely will never forget ;)
That doesn't mean I refuse to help in fixing such isues, - but more in form of technical assistance. Moreover - I'd be glad if someone asked such my assistance in one more (much more serious imo) issue - terrible situation with countless ruined collaboration releases...
And finally one offtopic: recently you've requested two deletions, both belong to Awaken (DE). Next to you, I also don't like red song links, hate blank albums and just rave about blank artist pages :). But have you ever tried to fix any artist page, having an OS, containing a mix of songs, performed by 5 (or more) different artists? Then you should know what a pita such task may be. And once I've made such job (selecting which song belongs to which artist), it would be desirable to prevent possible recreating of the same mess. That's why I think that we should pay a special attention to disambigued artists, even at such cost... That's why I neither deleted pages nor removed your requests - I'd better like to hear your (and others, maybe) opinion about that.
Cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 18:07, May 18, 2014 (UTC)
1) Too bad, 'cause I was hoping this was a robot task, actually. I think it's a good thing to fix these pages because "Les Misérables" are still very popular, so it might set a good example if we had those fixed - maybe in a joint effort? Any help with that would be much appreciated.
2) Although my focus is more on the root pages, please let me know what I can do to help with those collabs.
3) Yes, I suspected sth like this. That's why I only labelled them and not actually deleted them. I see your point and I agree.  · Lichtweber talk service  14:11, May 19, 2014 (UTC)
As for #2: you may start from a short excurse to one discussion on AP, then take a look at the list of unused images - all these images used to belong to artist collabs - most of them are currently redirected either to one of artists or to one of their releases. Both redirs are invalid, but the latter is just the top of absurdity. So, this issue should be resolved either:
  • by changing release type from AlbumCollaboration to Album, with necessary ArtistCollaboration page restoring. More suitable for collabs with multiple releases.
  • or by leaving release type (AlbumCollaboration) unchanged, with necessary all its songs type changing to SongCollaboration. More suitable for sigle-release collabs.
--Senvaikis (talk) 19:42, May 19, 2014 (UTC)
As for #3: ...then what is keeping you from removing your requests? :) --Senvaikis (talk) 13:28, May 20, 2014 (UTC)
So what is it you can do to help with merging these pages?  · Lichtweber talk service  17:20, June 7, 2014 (UTC)
Is there anything you could help with?  · Lichtweber talk service  14:17, June 14, 2014 (UTC)


Hi, can you do Jan Werner Danielsen and Ott Lepland? Xfactor1234 (talk) 20:27, May 20, 2014 (UTC)

done (partially). As you've noticed already, I have moved Jan Werner Danielsen -> Jan Werner, as this name is used on all his albums and in majority of Inet sources (see LW:PN). Unfortunatelly, I failed to find any complete lyrics source for neither of artists. That's why I did't create album pages for albums, having no lyrics (you positively know - LW is lyrics, not discography site). If you find any reliable lyrics source for these artists - let me know, and we'll complete the job.
Thanks for collaboration, and happy editing.
Cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 08:06, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Rhythms Del Mundo:Clocks and in general: Gracenote Placeholder Project

Hi, Rhythms Del Mundo:Clocks, Rhythms Del Mundo:Modern Way were deleted by LWChris, the log message says: 'Delete placeholder to make way for a protected title' - could you unlock theses pages and maybe bot remove all such cases? Because I hope protected titles aren't needed in the future after the big merge and so people can add the missing lyrics.

Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 15:08, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Just found out about the Gracenote Placeholder Project, set a link to it in the heading --Fassbrause (talk) 15:16, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
Good question... Sad to say, but to be honest, I still don't know, which protected titles may be unprotected and which - not.
I'd advise to ask Sean about that, if not my sad experience, trying to get any sensible answer to my questions about GNLF...
I do believe the author of mentioned project may know better, but who knows when he's going to appear on LW next time?
So, can't invent anything new: every time I don't know someting, I'm asking 6x9, 'cause under definition he knows how to find the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything... Are you here, 42? --Senvaikis (talk) 16:56, May 21, 2014 (UTC)
Sean mentioned somewhere (don't remember where exactly) that takedown requirements will be handled entirely by serverside code. Unfortunately he never said when that code would go live… but LyricWiki:GNLF says "The code will handle blocking pages now", and pages with truncated lyrics have been around a while now, so we may as well assume it already happened.
Thus it should be safe to unprotect any protected pagenames, and revert any remaining GN takedowns. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:36, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Thx, 6! --Senvaikis (talk) 21:14, May 21, 2014 (UTC)

Well, now Lwt is ready for batch unprotecting. But the list of protected titles contains a lot of garbage I'd like to stay protected from recreation... Any ideas (or just ready-for-use-list)? --Senvaikis (talk) 09:57, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
If you can easily sort the wheat from the chaff, I see no reason to unprotect the latter. On the other hand, if it requires any notable effort, I doubt the "danger" of any of these particular pages being created is worth it… It's your call :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 20:30, May 22, 2014 (UTC)
I just want to thank you (even if I'm a bit late) for your effort regarding the topic and for unprotecting the pages. Great work! --Fassbrause (talk) 13:19, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, FB. Sorry for not announcing about the end of the job - just forgot (age...). Glad you noticed that by yourself :). --Senvaikis (talk) 14:45, June 3, 2014 (UTC)

Zdob si Zdub

Good evening! I need your help. This album!_%282012%29 was published in two variants - for Europa and for Moldova. The song "Basta Mafia" have two versions. I wrote the text on Romanian, can I write English text on the same page? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Valdas143 (talkcontribs), 03:06, May 27, 2014 (UTC).

No, keeping the lyrics of different song versions on the same page would be a bad idea. Usually if that's only a translation of original song, it should be placed on song subpage, using template {{TranslatedSong}}. If that's a different version of the song, performed/released in other language (our case), it should be placed on a separate page, using additional notation in page title. So, now you should cut-paste Romanian lyrics text into Basta mafia (Romanian) and enter English lyrics into Basta mafia. And don't forget to change language parameter in the footer of the latter :)
hth, --Senvaikis (talk) 05:37, May 27, 2014 (UTC)

P.S. ...and don't forget to sign your msgs: Please sign your messages using four symbols "~" (or click special button Button sig, titled "Your signature with timestamp", available on edit window toolbar). Thanks.

Move request

Hi, can you please move Kings Of Convenience:Weight Of My Words to Kings Of Convenience:The Weight Of My Words? Thanks. --Vincent Liu (something to say?) 19:04, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

done, --Senvaikis (talk) 19:32, May 29, 2014 (UTC)


Hi. Can you please use your bot to add the lyrics to artist Supla? Thank you. Songsbr (talk) 12:51, June 2, 2014 (UTC)

done (partially). Let me know, if some missing lyrics is available on iNet.
Good luck, --Senvaikis (talk) 13:40, June 2, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much. Some missing lyrics I found in a brazilian lyric site. Soon as i can i will send. Thank you again. Songsbr (talk) 13:45, June 2, 2014 (UTC)


Artists missing a lot of lyrics: Dirty Looks & Joy. Thanks.

done (partially) - hope you didn't expect that Lwt's able to transcribe lyrics; so if you know any site, containing it - let me know, and we'll be done :).
Haven't you thought about registering @LW, btw? --Senvaikis (talk) 07:40, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
website have all the lyrics dirty looks:

File:Beatmania IIDX- Original Soundtracks.jpg

sorry for the possibly messy wording, not enough sleep I don't know what happened here with the original upload of the file (I'm gonna assume that it was a Lwt auto-upload), but I reuploaded the file this time with the correct art, but the original file (the cover for 7th style's soundtrack) is still displayed. Is this a cache thing and should be simply waited out, or did something go wrong with the upload again? Zabidenu (talkcontribs) 12:07, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

I'd like to believe that's a caching, seems you are familar with this "phenomenon" already. Let's wait a little, though usually such cached image behaviour should be slightly different. Let me know, if you'll need any help.
And my appologies for misattributed image upload/deleting - have noticed that only after upload.
--Senvaikis (talk) 12:20, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
Alright! Yeah, I've already had to deal with cache problems in various wiki projects in the past - just making sure! I'll toss another message your way if it still refuses to work after some waiting :D Zabidenu (talkcontribs) 12:22, June 4, 2014 (UTC)


Hi. I sent the lyrics of the song Tim Moore:A Fool Like You. I found in the web and I try my best to correct the lyrics, since I'm not good in english. I hope you can help me. I would like to know if the correct in that case is its seen a lot of rain or it's seen a lot of rain. Thank you. Songsbr (talk) 20:22, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

That's funny you decided to ask such a question exactly me - admin with positively the worst English :). But I hope that your question is simple enough to answer even for me.
So, the phrase means that "it (an old overcoat) has seen a lot of rain", thus your text "it's seen..." is correct. If you wanted to say that pockets of this overcoat are holey - then you shoud use "its pockets".
Not very scientific explanation, but hope clear enough... :)
cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 21:05, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you again!! sorry to ask you, but you are very friendly, u always help me =D. thanks Songsbr (talk) 21:38, June 4, 2014 (UTC)

Experiment: SBA (redirs)

Hi all, who are visiting this page at least once in a while. I have a job for you. That's an experimental attempt to make our self-support more mutual: I may collect/agregate some statistical info, you - help me to tidy it up (sometimes manual editing is the best choice, and then any bot just can't challenge with you). So, I'll try to just throw this job to you, without any additional comments for a while (hope they are needless here).
Tia, and good luck! :) --Senvaikis (talk) 19:56, June 6, 2014 (UTC)
Wow! Just can't believe - there's only 1 item left in the list? Should confess that this task contained some "trojan horse" - broken collaborations, and truth to tell, that was far from being a simple task... I'm just afraid to start checking how this hidden danger has been overcome...
Well, now's too late - let's leave that till tomorrow. Anyways, - thanks to all of you! nite :)--Senvaikis (talk) 20:53, June 10, 2014 (UTC)
Well, as it should have been expected, some collabs may need further attention/fixes (mainly - by creating separate artist pages for collabs with multiple releases), but anyways - the job was done! Thanks to all, especially - our new stars MarjonW and 123Fall. Nice job, 123! Just want you to know - actually this task was not really a "trojan horse" - it's more like nine-headed dragon, with 3 new heads reappearing instead of one you've cut; in other words - that was a kind of job, creating a new jobs ;)
Let me know if you liked this experiment and have any ideas for something similar in the future.
cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 08:06, June 11, 2014 (UTC)


Hey, Senv,

So, I just wanted to let you know that after two months, Hard4me just now noticed he was demoted. As I'm really busy right now and don't feel like dealing with this, could you possibly talk to him about it? As the matter's said and done and it was already painful enough bringing up the topic, I really don't want to get involved in it again, to be honest (but if you also don't want to get involved again, I understand). If you do talk to him though, please do so on his talk page, because I highly doubt he'll see it if you post it on mine. thanks in advance, XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)21:47, June 8, 2014 (UTC)
No need to say I really didn't like neither being "involved" nor being charged to "talk". I still hope you'll talk to him later, and make it better than I did... --Senvaikis (talk) 09:47, June 9, 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry if it felt like I was throwing the burden on you - I just wanted to get something started because I didn't really know what to say to him at first, but you provided a good start and I can expand on that (also because I was really preoccupied yesterday and wasn't up for writing an essay to him). I'll post a little addition to that now, thank you Smile XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)12:06, June 9, 2014 (UTC)
done Just posted it - and again, my apologies if I made you feel forced to be involved, but I was having trouble finding out how to start my message - thank you. XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)12:23, June 9, 2014 (UTC)


Hi. If u can please add lyrics to this artist Angélica. Thank you. Songsbr (talk) 21:45, June 9, 2014 (UTC)

Sure: done. Thanks for a nice collab!--Senvaikis (talk) 06:49, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Help on Song Track

Thank you for your help on pointing me to the solution to getting the right template for the song "You Cannot Win If You Do Not Play (Live)". Your fix was exactly what I needed. I had never noticed the "more+" before so I learned something new.

Read'em And Weep (talk) 02:23, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

Claudinho E Buchecha

Hi. Can you please change the name Claudinho E Buchecha to Claudinho & Buchecha? That's the way appear in all CD's. I tried to change but says isn't possible. Thanks. Songsbr (talk) 19:31, June 10, 2014 (UTC)

done--Senvaikis (talk) 20:31, June 10, 2014 (UTC)
xD Thank you. I was planning to add the albums, but you are faster. Congrats and great work! Songsbr (talk) 01:22, June 11, 2014 (UTC)


i have lyrics of an album by a comedian. you let me add here? its not singing its just he talking but was released in CD i wanna know if u let me add here the name of them is anthony jeselnik i have another called greg giraldo but they only speak no intruments or something like thatt; you let me?

Sorry, but LW is dedicated to songs lyrics only. --Senvaikis (talk) 04:55, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Help - Latino

Hi. Another brazilian artist that needs lyrics: Latino. Thank you. Songsbr (talk) 03:09, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Leo Jaime

There's no war edit. That's the way appear in the release. In brazil when an artist make a version of a song from a foreigner artist, they always put the name of the original song between ( ). To me that's important, recognize the original writer. I read about page name, there's nothing about that. only says All words, regardless of whether the artist capitalize that letter or the language's grammar says it should be lower case, must have their initial letter capitalized. --- so the name of that song should be "Direto Do Meu Coração Pro Seu" and not "Direto do Meu Coração pro Seu" and all the rest the same. Thanks Songsbr (talk) 11:43, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Well, seems you no longer need my help ;). Let me nevertheless try to explain some things. If you don't like that - let me know, and I will not bother you more.
  • So, your edit was changed by admin. Haven't you thought - maybe this experienced user has had some good reason for that? No, you just rereverted it without any questions and even comments. That's exactly what we call "edit war" (even if the reason wasn't very good ;)).
  • Now about pagenaming. Let's start from definitions. When LW pagenaming policy speaks about the song name, it means the title of song page. Yes, you are right - the title of mentioned song page should be "Direto Do Meu Coração Pro Seu". And any link to this song should contain the same text. But display part of this link (text after pipe) may (and desirably - should) meet capitalization rules of that particular language (Portuguese in our case). So, the link to the song, written as Direto do Meu Coração pro Seu is absolutelly correct from the both points of view - as LW:PN, as pt:wp as well. Following to national language capitalization isn't mandatory requirement, but it represents "the best LW practice", so if some album tracklist was formatted according it - please, don't revert it (or at least try to discuss that before reverting).
  • Regarding songs from a foreign artists: Yes, I agree - that may be important, especially if such additional notation has been used on the album cover tracklist. But then according to LW:PN you should use exactly this title not only for display-part of the link, but for a song page too. So, I'd agree that song "Sônia" should be renamed (moved leaving a redirect for searchability reasons) to "Sônia (Sunny)", but then the link should be written as [[Leo Jaime:Sônia (Sunny)|Sônia (Sunny)]], not [[Leo Jaime:Sônia|Sônia (Sunny)]]
--Senvaikis (talk) 13:05, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
ok sorry i will not longer revert your edits. about the english name to indicate the original version, i made that in some brazilians artists that I edited, like Angélica, João Paulo & Daniel, Alan & Aladim and maybe others that I don't remember right now. you can erase the english name, i not revert. Thanks Songsbr (talk) 13:22, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
I can? No, thanks for permission, but I'd better like if you made required changes by yourself :). --Senvaikis (talk) 13:26, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
I meant that if you want to change, that's fine because I will not revert because to me there's no war. that was it. Thanks Songsbr (talk) 13:28, June 12, 2014 (UTC)
I've never meant any kind of silly taboo to admin edits revisions. Would be sad if that was the main "lesson" you've just learned... :)--Senvaikis (talk) 13:49, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

I'm glad you accepted my position that admin edits aren't any kind of taboo :). But looking at this revision I still have some questions to you:

  • do you still disagree with #2 of above msg? If both me & pt:wp are wrong and Vivendo e Aprendendo must be changed to Vivendo '''E''' Aprendendo, I'd like to know where did you find such pt:capitalization rules;
  • as for English titles, here some doubts may be possible only redarding "from", and I'd even agree with you (->"From") (regardless of lowercased "from", used on the same pt:wp article). But what I'm definitelly sure of - that's the lowercased "the" in Bricks From the Walls;
  • thanks for catching the existance of 2nd version of Acorrentado (I've treated Acorrentada just as a typo). But now I wanna ask you, as Portuguese-native-speaker, to make some job - please, try to determine if these versions have a different lyrics, 'cause only then we should create a separate page for Acorrentada. One link from pt:wp lead me to one article, stating that Acorrentada is nothing more than a rearrangement of Acorrentado (from 1991 videoclip Encoleirado). But i'm not sure about Google translator's Portuguese knowledge...
--Senvaikis (talk) 12:55, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
  • Lol, I'm a editor in portuguese Wikipedia xD, and there I use Associação Brasileira de Normas Técnicas that make all the capitalization rules. Ok, since u will use the ABNT, i will use too, so u have to gimme some time to change some pages that already edit, ok?
  • well, from what i see in the wikipedia in english, the correct is from =|
  • i always try to find the original images of the CD os LP to see the names of the songs. when i saw "Acorrentada", i though it was a mistake but i already listen and the lyrics are different. Acorrentada and Acorrentado are based in Encoleirado, but the lyrics of the songs are totally different. I will send the lyrics of the song Acorrentada so will be complete.
Songsbr (talk) 14:04, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
i made changes in Supla. Please take a look to see if my edition now is ok. Thanks. Songsbr (talk) 14:15, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
Now, after we've achieved an agreement about the main thing (using national capitalization rules for display-part of the links), I may easily agree to swap our roles - you'll be definitely the better expert in this question, compared to me :). I'd like to ask you one more favor - could you please make a list of pt-words, wich shouldn't be capitalized - for me (& Lwt)? Should confess I still don't understand why e, em should be lowercased, but not É, Eu etc :)
Let me know also if you'd like Lwt to complete albs/images/lyrics on the pages you are working on (Ara Ketu, Karametade). I've started to work with the latter, but was forced to stop, having no reliable info about some releases. I think you may want to recheck this artist page.
Cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 15:10, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
About "From" vs. "from" – both are "correct", because there is (unfortunately) more than one ruleset. Wikipedia uses one (where from is lowercase), MusicBrainz another (where it's uppercase). LW tends to stick to the same ruleset MB uses, hence "… From the …". — 6×9 (Talk) 19:21, June 15, 2014 (UTC)
@6: That's what I meant speaking about possible doubts regarding "from". More interesting is your statement that LW tends to stick to MB ruleset. I'd like that'd be true, but then we should have forget all above discussion, 'cause MB:pt:rules are ingeniously simple:
  • Do not capitalize any word except for:
    • the first letter of the text
    • the first letter of a sentence after . ! ? /
    • the first letter of proper and geographical names (persons, cities, nations etc.)
--Senvaikis (talk) 19:52, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, I really need your help with some artists, but I really don't know if it's a problem to bother you all the time. Should I ask for help in this page or in the Lwt? If the rule by Musicbrazins will be used, please tell me so I will update the pages (again lol). Rules by Musicbrainz are easier. Thanks. Songsbr (talk) 22:07, June 15, 2014 (UTC)

Following MB guidelines isn't a policy that absolutely has to be followed – let's call it "established practice" instead. You don't have to follow them when adding albums; you should not, however, change display text that already follows them to some other guidelines. — 6×9 (Talk) 10:40, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
Well, I'd vote for MB:pt as "recommended ruleset" then, for a quite obvious reasons ;). What'd be the opinion of pt-native speakers?
Btw, we have a very similar situation with Spanish, - almost the same differences between wp & mb rulesets...
--Senvaikis (talk) 11:07, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
How about we add a help page, listing the mb-capitalisation pages? Wouldn't that make it easier for all editors? What do you guys think? (I would volunteer writing it. Maybe Nic as a native speaker could check the language then) · Lichtweber talk service  18:23, June 16, 2014 (UTC)
Just listing the lang-specific pages is kinda redundant when the mb overview page already lists them all. We should definitely link to the overview though, prob. on artist and album help. A separate help page would only make sense if it contained nutshell versions of the guidelines; do you think that might be useful/worth the effort? — 6×9 (Talk) 14:50, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

I also don't think we should duplicate all these (some, as en - rather complicated) guidelines on our help. Link is quite sufficient imo. --Senvaikis (talk) 15:24, June 17, 2014 (UTC)

Message From Spike the Dragon

Hi, I was just wondering and I noticed, you have a load of edits, and you're ranked #1 on this wiki, but I was just wondering, on your userpage, why does it not show the badges you have? I was just wondering, sorry to be such a bother.Spike the Dragon (talk) 20:47, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Spike.
Display of my achievements is turned off in my preferences, by selecting checkbox, named "Hide my achievements on my profile from everybody". So, I had to tog this checkbox temporarry to satisfy your curiosity. Truth to tell, I was slightly curious also - haven't seen them for a long time. So, the data atm is: earned badges: 4102, achievement points: 408430.
Hope now you agree - there's no any sense to show such enormous numbers, moreover - I've had a reasonable suspicion that displaying them used to slow-down the loading of my profile & talk pages. Thus now, if you don't mind, I'll turn them off again :).
nite, --Senvaikis (talk) 21:41, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Oblivion Machine

Thanks much for help with Oblivion Machine article! Sergey.agapov.18 (talk) 19:34, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

You are welcome! --Senvaikis (talk) 19:51, June 19, 2014 (UTC)

The Flirts

Hey Senvaikis. Yesterday I created an album for The Flirts but it's not shown on the main page of The Flirts. This is the album page: The Flirts:Blondes Brunettes & Redheads (1985)

How can I implement this album on the main page? Please, let me know! --Markcoutinho (talk) 11:39, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

done - as you may see, that's almost as simple as copy/paste :). Hope you'll accept some additional (minor) changes I've done.
Happy editing, --Senvaikis (talk) 12:40, June 20, 2014 (UTC)

Lyrics Wikia, where do you get your lyrics?

EDIT: nvm, talked to XxTimberlakexx and he helped me, thanks!

João Paulo & Daniel

Hi. When you have some time, please add the lyrics to João Paulo & Daniel. And I just wanna say thank you for your help with lyrics from brazilians artists. Songsbr (talk) 19:15, June 23, 2014 (UTC)

done, - my pleasure :) --Senvaikis (talk) 20:43, June 23, 2014 (UTC)


Hi. I wanna add a album to Milli Vanilli. This is the album: LINK but only in this release, they change the name to The Real Milli Vanilli (because now is the real singers that appear in the cover, and all others medias). I have to create a new artist called The Real Milli Vanilli or I can add to the page Milli Vanilli (and then use redirect in The Reall Milli Vanilli?) Thanks Songsbr (talk) 12:03, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

I have to say that sites like discogs, wikipedia, have their own page to The Real Milli Vanilli. Songsbr (talk) 12:06, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
Usual LW practice is keeping all albums, released by the same artist, on the same page, - regardless of artist performance name/alias, used for album recording. So, the main question here is: should we treat MV & RMV as different bands or just as different aliases of the same band? Should say that's not an easy question in our case :). Significant change in lineup might lead us to the first conclusion, while we do know that both Rob and Fab haven't been really singing on the first album too ;). So, I think you may be free in your choice, but if you are asking my opinion - I'd create a seperate page for RMV (some artist removed, some - added, together with several special guests - quite enough for speaking about significant changes in lineup imo).
regards, --Senvaikis (talk) 13:32, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for answer me. I create a new page, I hope it's OK. Songsbr (talk) 13:54, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

LF instrumentals

So last week, after noticing UserBot was back creating LF pages, I thought to myself, if its contributions are visible through API but not frontend, then maybe I can block it through API even though frontend claims no such user exists. Tried it, it worked, and page creations stopped. Then I started deleting all lyricless LF pages (as I'm sure you noticed).

You can imagine I wasn't very happy when I noticed today that UB was back creating pages… even though it's still blocked (and block won't expire until tomorrow). So either bots aren't affected by blocks (but at least ÜberBot is), or someone "fixed" it to run anyway (despite Sean's claim that no one knows anything about this script)…

So, since deleting lyricless LF pages is pointless, and redirecting them to the correct ns0 page (which in many cases doesn't even exist) is more trouble than it's worth, how about the following hack (wouldn't want to call it a solution): create a dummy LF page, e.g. LyricFind:Instrumental, and redirect all lyricless LF pages to that? The idea makes me cringe, but if LF namespace will eventually be deleted anyway (note I'm writing "if", not "when"), it's only a temporary pain. What do you think? — 6×9 (Talk) 16:57, June 24, 2014 (UTC)

  • Yes, I did notice your new attack on ns 222 :). Now, after your comment, I finally understand the reason, why have you decided that (n+1)th attemtp may be more succesfull than n previous... :).
  • Yes, nothing's changing in wikia stuff - either nobody knows anything or just don't wanna share their knowledge
  • Yes, "solution" hardly may be qualified as impeccable from systematic point of view, but that's exactly why I like it very much ;) Just let me know if you need some Lwt assistance in your job.
Well Done!, --Senvaikis (talk) 20:00, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
We'll see how far I get :-) For now, I'm limiting it to pages with size <= 200 and deleting (now redirecting) those where text between tags is either whitespace-only (vast majority) or contains string "instrumental". Most of what was left after that was redirects on which ÜB had slapped a merge template... — 6×9 (Talk) 20:45, June 24, 2014 (UTC)
Increased maxsize to 500; vast majority still lyricless. Maybe we should keep this page around, just to show to people who want to turn LW into a discography site… — 6×9 (Talk) 14:50, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
Why then don't you want to select LFs by a given max-length/pattern of content between <lyricfind> tags, - with 100% accuracy?. Once again, let me know if Lwt may help you here. Nice sample, btw - we should definitely keep it ;) --Senvaikis (talk) 17:18, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
I set maxsize originally because I wasn't aware of how huge the extra-lyrical content could get and wanted to avoid loading hundreds of pages just to redirect one. But by now I've extended the script a bit, so I might as well run it across the whole set.
Here's what the script currently does:
  • redirect to LF:I if length(lyrics) < 10 OR lyrics == song title OR (contains "instrumental" or "no lyrics") and length < 50 length limit because these words might appear in regular lyrics OR lyric has 3 or less unique chars quite a number of pages had "asdasdasd", "sdfsdfsdf" or "qweqweqwe"… not sure if LF is trolling us, or someone is trolling them…
  • else try to find (main) page, if found:
    • if lyrics are identical, redirect LF to (main)
      • if LF has songwriter="…" and (main) has no CreditBox, add CB to (main)
    • else if LF doesn't have tl:merge, add it to LF and (main) page
Any more checks I could add? Maybe I should look for GN pages of the same name while I'm at it, and delete them if lyrics are identical.
Oh, and if Lwt is bored :-), it could start to tackle Category:Requests For Moves – if artist & title match an external source, move the page & add templates. — 6×9 (Talk) 08:14, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
Yep, that's a Job - respect(condolence)!
As always, the most interesting for me are such "plain & simple" parts as
  • "find the matching main page" (matching with what precision? what is your algorithm for such matching?)
  • "check if lyrics are identical" (the same Q)
  • "add credits from LF" (should bot trust all LF credits or make some recheck? Should it add links to author LW page, if available? (There are lot of LF-authors, having lw-pages, but under different name)... etc)
I've reviewed some your recent contribs trying to find an answers to above questions, and seems to me you still may tighten your "matching conditions". So, stripping spaces and lines, matching some patterns before checking your condition for moving to LF:I would lead to increasing the number of moved pages (see LyricFind:Elton John:Highlander). The same should be said about the checking of lyrics identity. Seems you treat this identity literally. But do we really need this tiresome balast of merging just for some negligible differences in lyrics punctuation? (see Electric Light Orchestra:Second Time Around).
--Senvaikis (talk) 15:18, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
Main priority (at first) was just the lyricless pages, all the other stuff was added and tweaked while I ran it, so the code is looks horrible right now. Could be worse though – max. indent level is 7.
  • Finding main page: follow any redirects; first a direct match, then inicap each word, if song title has "(" strip that (from right to left), if artist is redirect get actual artist and try all of the above again with that one.
  • Identical lyrics: I've tweaked the comparison to only compare alphanumericals, apostrophes (replacing ’ ´ ‘ `) and whitespace. I guess I could go one further and treat those with Levenshtein distance / length < 0.01 as identical :-) ELO was unfortunate example, btw, because a couple words are different as well. Haven't tested if it's below 0.01 though :-)
  • Credits: Maybe it's best to just ignore them entirely; LF is way too unreliable. As soon as there are two songs by different artists with same title, they're almost sure to mix up either lyrics, credits or both. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:39, July 2, 2014 (UTC)
  • #2: Yes, example was unhappy, even after my attempts to avoid mistake, checking texts with minimal possible leva,b value ;). Well, let's take another sample then: if you strip all punktuation from the lyrics, result will be identical for both lw & lf versions: "weightlessmybabysasleepsomethingsjustdisappearweightlessmybabysasleepfloatingdreamingnodangerjustsweet"
  • #3: I'd like such (or similar) decision. For example, we could define lf credits merging requirement as optional in such cases, when lf author doesn't have lw page. Above Enigma sample may be taken as an example of such situation: almost all possible aliases of Michael Cretu are used by lf (Cretu, Michael Cretu, Curly M.C...), making correct (lw-linked) merge of such credits de facto impossible (at least for bot).
But then our instruction for Hercules should at least mention a posibility of such mitigation... :)

--Senvaikis (talk) 13:28, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

#2: I do that sort of "lax" comparison when checking if lyric == song title; I deliberately didn't use it for comparing lyrics, because I don't want to redirect well-formed lyrics to badly-formed (no line breaks, all lowercase etc.) ones. The sanitizing function could use further tweaking though (like ignoring lines with words like "chorus" or "verse" and little to nothing else). Running both checks should be a good way of finding pairs with near-identical but differently formatted lyrics though.
#3: Plus, LF credits are often (but not always) all-uppercase, and mostly (but not always) in the format "Lastname, Firstname Middlename1 Middlename2 etc." I suspect they sometimes make middle names up just to make it look more impressive; anyway we don't have an artist page for John Davies Cale, and usually separated by " / " but sometimes only "/" (though that's the smallest problem)…
Btw, I finally got myself a bot account – pity 101010 was already taken… — 6×9 (Talk) 16:32, July 3, 2014 (UTC)
Maybe 0.01 is too strict… LyricFind:*NSYNC:Crazy for You vs. *NSYNC:Crazy For You has 0.019 and differences are negligible. (Yeah, sample of 1, very scientific…) I'll increase it to 0.02 and see how it goes…
LF linebreaks aren't always the bee's knees either where does that saying even come from??, if lyrics don't already have paragraphs they seem to insert a blank for each 4 lines – see LF vs. main. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:23, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Album input: this time right?

Hi Senvaikis. I noticed that you removed my contribution of an album (Bobby O - Freedom In An Unfree World (1983) ) I'm not quite sure what I've done wrong there. I've published again now. Is it right this time? Let me know! :-) --Markcoutinho (talk) 15:48, June 25, 2014 (UTC)

Actually you've wrote the reason already - album page, titled "Bobby O - Freedom In An Unfree World (1983)" doesn't conform one of the main LW pagenaming policy rule: pagename should strictly meet the pattern "<Artist name>:<Album title> (<Release year>)". So, your last (3rd) attempt was finally correct: Bobby O:Freedom In An Unfree World (1983), - congrats! But then you should not forget to make according changes on the artist page also, as was done here.
Cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 16:41, June 25, 2014 (UTC)
P.S. Take a look also at this change in song header (you should not include albumartist in SH.album parameter).

Grammy Awards Categories

Sorry for troubling you.
I was editing pages to add references to the grammy awards. But now I have a doubt about the convention used.
Wikipedia and LyricWikia have one, and the Grammy official site has other. For example, the Grammy website always mentions the awards as the 1st, 2nd, and so on, and references the year of eligibility of the songs/albums (2013 - 56th Grammy Awards); LyricWikia and Wikipedia reference the year they were awarded (2014 - 56th Grammy Awards).
For now I'm using the current convention used here. But now comes my concern. The first edition of the Grammy Awards occurred on May 4, 1959 and the period of eligibility was the whole year of 1958. But the second edition of the Grammy Awards occurred on November 29, 1959 (the same year as the first edition) and the period of eligibility was January 1st, 1959 until August 31st, 1959. And the third editiion of the Grammy Awards occured on April 12, 1961 and the eligibility was September 1st, 1959 until November 30th, 1960.
Using the current standard, there would be no 1960 Grammy Awards, because there was no ceremony that year.
What's your opinion on this matter? Should we change the standard? Create nevertheless the 1960 year category but it's explained that was in fact in 1959?
Cheers :-) Securita (talk) 13:56, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for not being able to give you any reasonable answer atm - got a big trouble with my network enwironment (changing router etc). So, just have no idea when I'll be able to restore stable iNet-connection... Try to bump 6, if I vanish for a long :)
Btw, I've noticed your Grammy-oriented contribs and have had one related note: Lw is lyrics site, so any info (Grammy awards info included) is acceptable only as additional info to albums, containing at least some songs wih lyrics.
Sorry, my temporary connection time's gone - hope you've understood what I was going to speak about ;)
gl, --Senvaikis (talk) 20:51, June 26, 2014 (UTC)-
No worries :-)
I'll reach him to know his opinion on this.
I know these edits are purely additional, I just figured since someone started, it should be done for all the years, not only the ones that matter. But I'll keep that in mind, and I'll add the lyrics for the songs and albums that eventually I'll add (and the ones I already added).
Thanks for your input :-) Cheers, Securita (talk) 12:02, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
Well, it seems I managed to restore my connections finally (though still not sure for how long). Thus I try to be short again.
Seems you've misinterpreted my note about Grammy award as additional info. I really appreciate your efforts to fullfill info fot missing Grammy years. Just I wanted to say, that LW should not strive to contain info about all Grammy award winners in all categories. Let me ask you - how are you going to "add the lyrics..." for such albums as Wayne Shorter:Without A Net (2013), Terri Lyne Carrington:Money Jungle: Provocative In Blue (2013) and other Grammy winners in multiple lyrics-unrelated categories?
See you later (hope...) :)--Senvaikis (talk) 13:31, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
You got me on that one :-) I was so focused on adding all the awards, I didn't think in that perspective, and I confess I only understood now what you meant on your first reply.
I'll be more careful. So now what do I do with those albums, should they be deleted then?
And there's still the year issue (I know it's a small thing, but I'd like it to be sorted out, if possible :-) )
Cheers, Securita (talk) 15:52, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
Oops, sorry - just forgot what have we started from :). Frankly speaking, I know why that had happened - just I don't think that's a big problem to have one year without (or having double) winners, but I hope 6 may have some more constructive opinion :).
nite, --Senvaikis (talk) 20:50, June 27, 2014 (UTC)
I think using the year in which the Grammy was actually awarded is more intuitive… if we keep using that, however, we should change the template from "the xxxx … Grammy" to "the … Grammy in xxxx", as the current wording fits more with the Official Grammy Convention™. If you want to avoid having the first two Grammies in the same category (1959), we could use the number instead of the year. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:58, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for info

You have over 1 million edits and over 400,000 achievement points!!!! Variety3241 (talk) 05:44, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for info, but seems I haven't understood what you wanted to say (or ask?)... :) --Senvaikis (talk) 13:31, June 27, 2014 (UTC)

Confusion with Beasts

Hi Snv, you recently changed mb and am links for both the spanish and the hispanoamerican version of Bella y la Bestia. Before your change, the track listing on both external links and lw pages matched, now they don't anymore.

You want to change that back, please?  · Lichtweber talk service  17:41, June 29, 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't want, - for several reasons, but you are free to make any required changes, based on more reliable info, if such info is available. --Senvaikis (talk) 16:26, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

Salif Keïta

lwt (re)moved Salif Keïta pages back to Salif Keita, and changed performer's name in {{Song}} accordingly. According to Bambara and French wp the correct spelling of the artist's name is Salif Keïta. Can you revert lwt's changes, please? Thx,  · Lichtweber talk service  12:15, June 30, 2014 (UTC)

No, I'm not going to revert Lwt changes, and I don't recommend such revertion to you also.
I was patiently waiting for more than month, regularly rechecking ap and related pages, but seems my expectations were futile... Now I have no other choice; somebody should tell you that: something's wrong with you, weber... --Senvaikis (talk) 16:26, June 30, 2014 (UTC)
You unneccessarily revert my edits on Keïta (to say the least), and even replace fitting external links with false ones, and then you say sth's wrong with me? Are you trying to pick a fight? I'd appreciate if you could just leave it be. About the ap: still figuring out kind of a code of conduct for those album pages, didn't want to write anything before I got that straight .  · Lichtweber talk service  14:34, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
Nothing unnecessary here – the majority of album covers has "Keita" not "Keïta", so policy dictates that artist page should be located at Salif Keïta. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:42, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
...trying to pick a fight? Would be funny if weren't sad... :) Relax, weber - if I wanted to fight, I'd not suggest you an adminship, not waste entire day, writing enormous oversized essay for you, not wait silently entire month for at least minimally civilized reaction (end of shameful edit war, removing invalid wps etc, or at least minimal response, explaining such disregard). Even now I still hope you'll overcome your growth problems without any warnings, fightings and other military beauties from my side. --Senvaikis (talk) 16:58, July 1, 2014 (UTC)
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