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Good day,

You are correct, I really should read up on the proper codes, procedures and... such. I'm more of a lyric guy (grabbing my CDs and typing lyrics out that aren't already online). In that sense I try to serve fans like myself who can't find the lyrics for their favourite artists. I also try to fix mistakes or put up pictures that aren't up so everything looks better, but unintentionally making more work for yourself as I do not do so correctly. I apologize for that and if it wouldn't be too much trouble would you mind taking a look at "Monument to Thieves" for me? I added everything of theirs myself and I'll try to stop editing until I get things down. Sorry once again.

One Heck of a Prize Fighter 23:17, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hi. First of all I should say that my notes never meant any kind of intention to stop your edits at all - I just asked you to follow LW pagenaming policy (as all inicaps in page titles) and other editing standards (as using {{Album Art}} instead of [[File...]]). All your contribution to LW is highly welcomed - just I wanted to call your attention to some common mistakes, with hope to avoid their repeating in the future. If you have any questions or need some help - always feel free to ask me. Happy editing, --Senvaikis (talk) 06:49, January 4, 2011 (UTC)


Hey thanks for the redirection now is better :D !! The wrong was that Eiza shes a mexican signer and she have 2 discs the first disc Lola...Erase Una Vez that a disc of a t.v novel that her was and the Director of that t.v. novel was Pedro Damian the same as RBD and her name in that novel was Lola and she make an album of the songs of the novel and i dunno what signer put if it Eiza or Lola and i create 2 one of Eiza and one of Lola and then i dunno who to delet the Lola one !! but thanks all is better oh and sorry for my english im puertorican :D !! Thanks for all :D !! 27blink27 18:42, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

My edits (again)

Hi Firstly, I want to apologize for the extra work I must have brought to you. This was of course never my intention. I must also admit that I hadn't seen your comments on your edits. I want to say a few thing about the things I incorrectly edited on the Pain Of Salvation page. I removed the "Other Song", which was of course not the right thing to do. I did this because there were only duplicate songs left in it, that just had a wrong name. (I see that you have added some songs now that aren't anywhere else on the page). Just removing the link to those pages was of course not right. But I wonder if there's a way to mark those pages as unnecessary, so an admin could look at them or something like that? Because I think it really makes the artist's page less clear. I also uppercased too many words, because I thought I should just follow the page naming policy. I shall read the helping pages more carefully, so things like this won't happen again. I uploaded duplicate images, because the ones present didn't follow the naming policy, and I couldn't find a way to move them. Again, there is probably a better way to handle this, and I'm sure I will find it when I read the help pages.

Again, my apologies for the extra work, and the incorrect contributions I brought to the site. I hope stuff like this won't happen anymore. --Lebuin 11:57, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Glad to hear such quick and substantial your answer, - now, when I know that both our intentions were good (and my admin powers will remain unused ;)), we may talk about some uncertainties in your answer.
  1. Removing link to mistitled song from OS list doesn't remove such mistitled page itself. Moreover - even deleting such page would may be a bad idea. Redirecting such page to it's propper title is the best solution in most cases. And the best thing - you don't need any admin help here. You'll find more discussions about that in our docs and talk pages.
  2. Yes, LW:PN requires all inicaps in pagetitles. Surelly that leads to all inicaps in first part of any link to a page. But this rule shouldn't be applied to the second, descriptive part (following after pipe) of the link - it's just a link text, appearing on the display, so it may be formatted according to the formatting norms of the language used. So for English, initial letters for such words as "to, of, on, a, the" may be lowercased. Again, that's slightly more complicated than I can describe here, but I believe you'll find more info about that too.
  3. LW:PN policy isn't applied strictly to the titles of uploaded images, though some norms of urbanity do exist also. The most preferred format for a title of album cover is "<Artist> - <Album>.jpg". "Album" part should be understood as the display part of the album title without release date part. So, if I wanted to list album "The Second Death Of Pain Of Salvation (2009)" on the page of artist "Pain Of Salvation", the image for that album should be uploaded under the title "Pain Of Salvation - The Second Death of Pain of Salvation.jpg". That's not a requirement, but it allows to ommit a second (image) part in {{Album Art}}. Again - spend some time studying best LW practice :)
Ok, that'd be enough for the first time, - I'm not good in English, so this job is too tiresome for me ;)
Hth & happy editing --Senvaikis (talk) 13:13, January 9, 2011 (UTC)


Won't even comment the latest indecent change in api behaviour - all POST requests suddenly have stopped working properly without any changes in Lwt code (and, as usual, - without any notifications).
Time to make a break and rethink my further participating in the community with no communication.
--Senvaikis (talk) 21:56, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
Hey Senv,
I don't think this is an intentional change, I suppose it's a bug. I'll notify Sean this evening. - Chris 17:32, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Certainly not intentional. Moreover - I'm even inclined to believe that's not a bug, - just some change, incompatible with previous api version. I've asked Bryan Tong Minh, one of api developers, about this phenomenon. Here's his answer:

...I think that Wikia has made updates to the site. 
Unfortunately I am not in the position to determine what they updated and how it affected Wikia. 
Your best try is to contact the technical support at Wikia.

Especially I liked the term "technical support at Wikia". --Senvaikis (talk) 23:15, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Are you aggrieved, Senv? "just some change, incompatible with previous api version." - Why should a change make POST requests break? There can hardly be any intentional effect of changes affecting all request, that's what I believe. There are params, there are values, and maybe tokens, but what big thing should be changed? - LWChris 18:19, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
Hey Senv,
Sorry... didn't notice you were having this problem too. I ran into the same thing yesterday and have been working on it since (it's driving me nuts!).
It was somehow caused by our upgrade to MediaWiki 1.16. We're rolling out 1.16 to wikis slowly (since there is a database change involved) so I've been able to test it against wikis of both types. All I've really figured out so far is:
  1. This only affects the wikis with short-urls (ie: no /wiki in the URL)
  2. This only affects MediaWiki 1.16
  3. ... and I've tested to verify that wikis using MediaWiki 1.16 with /wiki/ in the URL
But yeah, we're not going to let this problem continue. We're cranking on it until it's done. If I can't finish it by the end of the day (I had better be able to! argh) then someone from Poland will pick it up while I sleep & we'll keep tag-teaming it. The API is very important and this bug is infinitely annoying!
Will keep you updated,
-Sean Colombo 18:30, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
Also, sorry I didn't communicate this better. Once I realized what's wrong I should have let you guys know (since I know you and LWChris and others use the API a ton). I really just jumped into it and didn't even think about it. Dumb.
Anyway... the big problem I'm seeing is that the returned results are showing that it always thinks that the title of the page is "Api.php". If you guys see any diff types of problems, please let me know! That would help me fix things faster probably.
-Sean Colombo 19:05, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for info, Sean. Looking forward for good news from you (or Poland). --Senvaikis (talk) 19:53, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

Hints! getting there...
-Sean Colombo 20:27, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
Fixed! *whew*
-Sean Colombo 20:58, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
Checked; Works! --Senvaikis (talk) 21:48, January 13, 2011 (UTC)

deleting "M.I.A. - Bad Girls"


you delete the first page i created on that wiki? 1 hour of transcribing that songs lyrics for nothing? just because you didn't like the name of the page? couldn't you just rename it instead?

Is this how you treat volunteers, who want to contribute?

You are right, - regardless of other errors (bad songheader, invalid songfooter parameters fLetter, youtube, language etc) it wasn't a best idea to just delete this page. I made a separate page for the album Vicki Leekx (2010), containing this song, as an expression of my apologies. See also other changes I've made @M.I.A., supposing it's your favorite artist. Hope that at least partially performed my penalty :).
Happy editing, --Senvaikis (talk) 09:31, January 20, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you very much. I <3 it. --16:28, January 21, 2011 (UTC)

SUF - Coloured images

Hi Senv,

the images you picked out were intended to be used for a super-pretty progressbar that looks 100% like a Vista progressbar. I delevoped the code, but unfortunately MediaWiki forbids to uses the CSS attribute background-image for divs, so I could not finish the task. I'll delete the files, I've still got them on my PC and could upload them again. Thanks for reminding. - Chris 18:03, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Mindless Self Indulgence Edits

Hello, I just received your message.

While you’re correct that I made the beginner’s mistake of not citing sources, you couldn’t be less correct that my “massive” edits to the Mindless Self Indulgence page are “baseless”. At least 95% of those edits come directly from the horse’s mouth - CD booklets, official website posts, etcetera - with roughly 5% being unofficial transcriptions. I can tell you with 100% certainty that what was previously there was either A) incorrect or B) sloppy and redundant.

If you’d like me to “respect other users’ work” at the expense of the artist’s work, then I suppose you’re the administrator. In any case, you may want to do your own homework before you accuse your users of not doing theirs.

Regards, --Duke Stachington 05:48, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Please have a look at the relevant help page, especially this bit: "The lyrics should always be transcribed as sung and reflect what is sung on the recording. Even if these differ from the "official" lyrics, or those published in the liner notes."
Also, in the future I suggest you make use of the summary box. At the very least, this might save you from accusations of vandalism in cases of extreme edits like this one. 6×9 (Talk) 07:16, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
Have nothing to say in addition to 6' comment. One advice for you: review your editions history. Investigate what part of your editions still are "on the top", e.g. - weren't reedited/reverted. And if even after that you'll not understand what's wrong with them and will continue your editions in the same style - take it easy, but I'll really do my homework exactly how it should be done. --Senvaikis (talk) 13:59, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

As you admitted before, you are “not proficient in MSI lyrics to be a judge”. As someone who is extremely proficient in MSI lyrics, I am qualified to tell you that even following this site’s “the recording is king” motto, many of the lyrics previously posted were STILL wrong - significantly so. (Just because someone changed them back doesn’t magically make them correct.) Extending outside the realm of MSI, if you had even a passing knowledge of the content you police, you would recognize that the only songs I made “extreme edits” to are covers, the lyrics of which are readily available in the sections of their respective artists. (We’re not talking songs only fans of said artists would know, either; we’re talking major singles from the likes of Whitney Houston and Rush.) The edits I made to those sections were tongue-in-cheek, something the majority of Mindless Self Indulgence fans would appreciate.

At the end of the day, I recognize that it’s just a silly lyrics site, as I’m sure you do as well. So keeping that in mind, consider for a moment what you presumed about a new user: That he/she was a vandal because he/she replaced a band’s lyrics with...... similar lyrics. You also conveniently missed the fact that I replaced all of the low-res album covers with high-quality scans. Does that sound like the behavior of a vandal to you? Does that sound like it warrants leaving a condescending “welcome” message on a new user’s page and immediately threatening to ban their account? --Duke Stachington 01:21, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

"…if you had even a passing knowledge of the content you police…" Condescending much? We have lyrics for more than 1,000,000 songs by more than 40,000 artists. Do you seriously expect us to be familiar with even 1% of those?
You also neatly avoided my point about edit summaries. Therefore, once more: Had you included a meaningful edit summary, you could have avoided accusations of vandalism, even in those cases where you removed the entire lyrics. 6×9 (Talk) 06:16, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
"...As someone who is extremely proficient..."? This time no comments at all. --Senvaikis (talk) 07:17, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, as completely uninvolved guy I think I am unbiased enough to drop some words about this:
Duke Stachington, please have a look at your edits, and try to put yourself in our shoes: We, as the few admins this gigantic project has, have to do a job which isn't quite easy, as you can imagine. Every day there are dozens to hundreds of editors, all contributing in their personal way on their pages. Unfortunately, some do not have in mind to enhance our pages but want to try out how fast we'll find their vandalism. A very good technique (amongst others which I won't reveal here) to find these affected pages is to check the change of the pagesize before and after. A page which lost three quarters of its content or even more, without being made a redirect, is one of the alert signals for every user, but especially for us, to take a closer look.
Let's warily say, your edits were kind of predestinated to become identified as vandalism, as you have been very active in a short range of time, deleted a lot of content and didn't lose a word about that in the summary.
Now please mind that we, the admins, check many pages edited by many users not since yesterday or for a week, but that most of us are active here for several years now. From this point of view, you may understand that after such a long time and so many users our actions could hardly be aimed against anyone of our users in personal as it still might seem to you now. Be assured that we are not working against you as person but only against nonconstructive edits. Furthermore, be assured that we as admins do not have any attitude similar to that our opinion is more relevant than yours.
You are not the first user who is deleting big portions of lyrics. You are not the first user who forgot to explain these action in the summary field. You are also not the first user who was therefore accused of vandalism to the edited pages. And you are not the first user who was thereby wrongly reverted, as well as you are not the first user who is upset about that.
Although this means that we have had similar cases before, you will surely understand that even after such a long time we want to defend our actions when accused of being wrong (so did you here, right?).
To cut a long story short, I want to appeal to you to not feel personally offended any longer by any of these actions or words, so no need to personally offend anyone of us anymore from now on. The ban threat must be very shocking for you, of course, and I can really understand what this does to you (I've been accused and warned for harrassement in a forum once, although I didn't do anything, but that's another story...).
A good way to solve this issue could be to search for the songs in audible form so both of us can recheck. If the long version should turn out to be the original (we usually keep the original over covers or remixes), then we can leave the page as they are. If you got the lyrics fitting better, always keep in mind it just needs a few clicks to redo your work, so nothing is lost. Even a deleted page can be resurrected within seconds if needed.
Last, let me lose a few words about this: "you would recognize that the only songs I made “extreme edits” to are covers, the lyrics of which are readily available in the sections of their respective artists". I don't know if I got it correctly, but even cover versions should have the lyrics as they are sung, even if there are repetitions or unmodified parts compared to the original. A good way to check your edits is the following scenario: imagine, the user has never heard about the song and does have absolutely nothing except for the one songpage printed out; if this user even then has the chance to sing along the whole song without searching or jumping around in the lyrics, then the page is good.
So much for that, "some words" Lol. Have a great day, Chris 20:14, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
Don't forget to restore one more proficient job mentioned above. Sad, but most of these nice images our profi's so proud about have been also reverted, resized or deleted by one bad admin. Silly site, silly rules, - silly admins. Yes, Chris, don't argue, - next to FrozenScoundrel, me & 6 you are bad too - that was you, who asked me to normalize all oversized images to 500px ;) nite, --Senvaikis (talk) 23:14, February 7, 2011 (UTC)


Thank you, your reply was constructive and helpful. I am completely cognizant of what moderating a large amount of content entails (even a small amount of content, for that matter) and fully understand the necessity of a “red flag” system. I don’t find this site’s approach unreasonable, nor do I feel personally singled-out by the administrators as a collective; my gripe is with the way things were handled by Senvaikis alone.

Rather than tactfully addressing the problem, Senvaikis left the following message on my page:

“Hi. Sad, but I'm forced to start our acquaintance in unusual for me manner: from warning. I do believe all your massive baseless, uncommented and undiscussed editions of Mindless Self Indulgence lyrics weren't made with bad intentions, just the newcommer's mistakes. I'm not proficient in MSI lyrics to be a judge, but one thing I know for sure - we must respect other users work and try at least to reason and discuss the changes we are making. That's why I give you 5 days for restoring all misedited lyrics yourself, studying LW docs and learning for wiki-style communication. My advice: discuss your editions with FrozenScoundrel, who's also a fan of MSI. If 5 days later I'll not find any changes in your edition style, your account will be blocked.”

At least to me, that seems like a thinly-veiled way of saying: “Hi. I don’t think you’re a bad person, just an idiot. I’ll go ahead and let you correct your clearly-wrong edits and then learn how to actually use a Wiki page, noob.” That’s why I took it personally; that isn’t a general response to a possible vandal, that’s a personalized message on my page informing me that I have no idea what I’m doing.

To be honest, I just kind of stumbled upon this site, found Mindless Self Indulgence’s lyrics and maybe got a bit overzealous correcting them. (As I am - that’s right, Senvaikis - extremely proficient in them.) Should I continue to edit in the future, I will be sure to more carefully follow site protocol.

P.S. To Senv: Once again, your last comment (“silly site, silly rules, silly admins”) implies that I’m some schlep who has never interacted within a social online environment. I really do hope this is simply your “internet persona” and that you aren’t this presumptuous in person.

--Duke Stachington 01:36, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, exactly - you had no idea what you were doing. Now you have, I hope. Did that help? Have you discussed your editions with other MSI fan, as you were asked for? Have you fixed or commented at least one your edition? Have you addmited legitimacy of our notes?. No, you was busy spoiling my talk page page, our time and our mind, explaining how proficient are you and how silly and presumptuous am I. That'd be enough for two users blocking, if I weren't old enough to know - better not spoil my hands. But please, don't tax on my patience - stop finally poisoning my talk page. --Senvaikis (talk) 08:13, February 8, 2011 (UTC)
Senv, talkpages are usually there to talk and discuss issues like these, but I accept your decision not to further discuss this topic here. Duke Stachington, please read your talkpage, I still want to leave you a message about it. - Chris 16:31, February 8, 2011 (UTC)

Gracenote question...

I'm going through Tones On Tail right now & cleaning up the lyrics according to both the artist's official site & according to how it's actually sung. Also, I have gotten other lyrics straight from the artist themselves. For Tones On Tail, in every case, they are formatted, or have different words, from both our versions (which I'm fixing) & the Gracenote version. I've seen this in other places, too. How do I either get someone to edit Gracenote or add "official" lyrics they don't have? BeatriceBlue 06:41, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

Simple answer: don't care about Gracenote. We cannot influence it at all, and their so called "official" lyrics are more often wrong than ours. - Chris 15:27, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
I'd not add anything to short but very explicit Chris' answer; just stopped here to say: I'm watching your contribution to LW, and I like what I see :). Happy editing, Beatrice. --Senvaikis (talk) 18:12, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! Senvaikis, you fixed that Tones On Tail:Rain for me this morning. Thanks, again, for catching it! But, when I looked at what I did, & you fixed, I knew I had caught that last night. So, after rubbing my head, & looking through my endless tabs of open browser windows I use to edit, sure enough, I found it... just never saved it. That's what happens when a Native American drinks wine & edits at the same time, I guess. LOL Sorry you had to fix it though! I promise to just say no while editing. ;o) BeatriceBlue 19:35, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
Since you've seen my pages, Senvaikis, please tell me, is there any reason those Tones On Tail pages, for example, can't be ranked Gold? Seems the last 3 things (download, wiki, credits) are usually "not applicable", although rarely wiki & credits are. LyricWiki doesn't seen to care about timed lyrics anymore. And if goear doesn't have it, they just don't. Billboard almost never likes what I do. And I always add YouTube at bottom, but if it's an official video, or darn good fan vid, I'll embed it, too. So, what more do I need to make them Gold? I'm a bit hesitant to go there without being an admin. BeatriceBlue 20:06, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
Senv, any objections if I already answer to this young inquiring lady? Wink
  1. "not applicable" is a status allowed for Gold as well. If there is no wiki page, then there is none - and that's basically it Smile
  2. We would care, but timed lyrics were provided by lrcDB, and the owner wanted to rewrite the website, updated the server software, and then did not find the time to rewrite it. But the old webpage scripts are incompatible with the updated software, and the result is that it's "temporarily" (hah!) down for maybe two years now? There's little hope it'll come back.
  3. Hesitant? Just one rule: Be bold. We won't slay you, promised. Wink — The preceding unsigned comment was added by LWChris (talkcontribs). ;-)
Maybe I'm a bit dense, but how can credits be "usually not applicable"? Even if a piece of music is made up on the spot rather than composed, it would normally be credited to the make-uppers (upmakers?)… 6×9 (Talk) 21:33, February 16, 2011 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Lol, you all are really too fast for me:)

Anyway, I'm pasting my reply here too, if you make no sign ;)
There have been a lot of discussions about that - you surelly have read them, so I'll try to be as short as possible. Here is an essence of LW:PR policy: both silver and gold pages must have all applicable info filled in and at least one Watcher. Certifying a page is the last step, making page gold. Naturally, it would be not fair to require wp, u2b, goear(etc) info for most alternative or indie artists. So, you may make page "gold", if you are certain that all available necessary information has been filled and page has at least one certifyer. Now take for example one of your fav artist songs. At first glance it corresponds to above requirements: lack of goear or u2b info can't be treated as obstacle for making this page golden - this info is unavailable atm, e.g. - "not applicable". But notice one minor change I've made in this song talk page. And think why our pacy friend 6 made his change at once?. I hope you agree that song page without info about composer/lyricist hardly may be starred as gold. hth, --Senvaikis (talk) 21:47, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
6×9, to answer your question, I only add credits if there are guest artists on a song, or production, engineering, or recording names are readily available (as that's what I actually do do - when not here, of course). With someone like Tones On Tail, who produced their own stuff, & played all instruments, wrote all music & lyrics,... and I've already listed the members names on the artist's page... then I assume that it is implied & list "not applicable". Am I wrong? Been known to be once & awhile, but rarely. If I am, I blame it on a learning curve. ;o}~ BeatriceBlue 22:04, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
You can see how, on the only song they had help on, Tones On Tail:Christian Says, I did list credits last night. But, you actually want me to go back and put in to every song: {{ArtistInfo|header1=Credits|text1=* All lyrics, music, & production by Tones On Tail}}
Looks like Silver is my friend. BeatriceBlue 22:09, February 16, 2011 (UTC)
Chris, thank you so much, but now that I've hit 40, I am, alas, no longer young! LOL BeatriceBlue 22:30, February 16, 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for catching my mistake with Tones On Tail:Burning Skies. But, I went back & separated Tones On Tail:Performance from Tones On Tail:Performance (7" Version) because, according to this site, it should read as sung. There are more words in one than the other, which I wrote as my reasoning in the summary. Why have you changed it back? BeatriceBlue 18:09, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Beatrice.
You are absolutely right - if these versions of song have different lyrics, they should have their own, separate pages, e.g - diferent links. Just at the first glance I "found" them identical (as was pointed in summary). Note, that both still have the same u2b link ;). Reverted now. My intention was just to indicate, that versioning part of the title shouldn't be included into the link, when lyrics are identical. Strictly speaking, in such case it would be desirable to remove this part even from descriptional (display) part of the link. So, let's look at Love And Rockets with two 'different' links (Mirror People and Mirror People (slow version), making misleading impression that they are pointing to songs with different lyrics, though both are pointing to the same page. That's not a policy, but I'd change the latter to "Mirror People (slow version)". Cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 20:41, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I left the same youtube link on both, not embedded but at bottom, so that people could hear the song. I thought they really are so close it would be better to hear something than nothing. Then uploaded both versions to goear & included those separate links. The only difference is the regular version is a bit longer, & they say the word "shakes" 7 more times. Not enough, IMO, to not include youtube, but enough to have a separate page than would read as sung.
Why does the bot care how many spaces are between "|goear" (or whatever) & the "="? BeatriceBlue 21:11, February 17, 2011 (UTC)
Bot is just a bot - it doesn't care, just doing (or trying to do) what was told to: insert as many spaces between any param & "=", as required to align all the values :). --Senvaikis (talk) 21:29, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Quest help...

In my quest for trying to include as much info as possible, but still keep things clean, I tried something new today. I've started adding single's covers to the lyrics page. For example: Daniel Ash:Here She Comes or Tones On Tail:Burning Skies. Please tell me your thoughts (all of you admins that read this), & help me correctly fill out the cover's info so it'll link back correctly on the image's page. Thank you! BeatriceBlue 03:40, February 21, 2011 (UTC)

I'd not like to upset your mood, but a)this idea isn't very fresh, and b)truth to tell, I don't like it. That's why:
  • Theory: First of all, it doesn't meet my striving to see all LW info maximally structurized and logically organized. We have three main categories/types of pages: Performer (artist/band), Release (Album, EP, Single etc.) and Track (Song), each with some metadata structure, typical for that category. Now answer yourself: what category cover art belongs to? Then you maybe agree that song page isn't the best place for release-specific info.
  • Practics: If first argument sounds insufficient for you, think about other fallouts of such approach: how should such image be categorized? As Album Cover? But it should be release-linked under determination. Should we change determination of category or create some new, special category for such images then? I'd not like to - that'd go in contradiction to #1.
  • Design: I'm even not very excited about recent tendency of overcharging LW and song lyrics page particularly with all kinds of 'beauties'. Same song may appear on several singles/EPs, each with different covers. Can you imagine a song lyrics page with 2-4 images on it? I can, but I don't like what I see. Take for example some hypothetical instrumental song with eu2b, Hit#1, WP, SOTD, and 2-3 cover images, all of them trying to fit (unsuccessfully) into yellow lyrics area (having a single word: "Instrumental"). Would you like it?
Resume: All said above is just my humble opinion and I'd like to hear thouhts of other admins/users here. But for a while I'm going to use two other approaches for singles: adding links to sepparate single pages
  1. at the bottom of album page/(album section on artist page) (see The Beautiful South)
  2. in special "Singles" section at the bottom of artist page (see Muse)
Btw, about Here She Comes: I'd not create any page for that single for two reasons:
  1. This song appears on album, so there's no especial necessity in separate single page for it; - LW is lyrics-, not discography-oriented site.
  2. Any of our main info sources (wp, mb, dog etc) doesn't provide sufficient info about this single. It's release date is unknown even for artist OS, but seems to be 1993.
--Senvaikis (talk) 09:01, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
I'm with Senv, mainly for the design reason. With the new wikia skin, screen space has become very dear, and lyrics (after all, the raison d'être for this site… ooh, fancy words!) shouldn't be squashed into a tiny narrow column. I'm actually thinking whether we shouldn't reduce the space used up by the badges by having them expand with css hover…
Categorising of images is another reason: as you surely noticed, the info for this file points to a non-existing album page, and this page shouldn't be created for reasons Senv explained above. So we'd need a new template for these cases, but then there are those singles that do have pages, and the art for those should have the regular {{albumcover}} template. Which is a bit of a logistical problem, as you probably can imagine. 6×9 (Talk) 14:03, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. All good points. Thanks, guys! BeatriceBlue 15:44, February 21, 2011 (UTC)
Take for example some hypothetical instrumental song with eu2b, Hit#1, WP, SOTD, and 2-3 cover images, all of them trying to fit (unsuccessfully) into yellow lyrics area (having a single word: "Instrumental").
-> Duck Sauce:Barbra Streisand
Chris 16:42, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

Artist Rank...

The icons aren't working properly, or (more likely) I'm doing something wrong. Please look: Talk:Astra_Heights BeatriceBlue 02:12, February 22, 2011 (UTC)

You had some weird invisible unicode (whitespace?) characters before/after some parameters. Did you use copy & paste? In that case you might have to update your text file… You also forgot the "|}" at the bottom, which closes the table opened by {{Star Box}}. 6×9 (Talk) 09:53, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
While I was writing comments about accented chars and not closed wikitable, 6've fixed that allready :)--Senvaikis (talk) 10:21, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
To be fair, the missing closing tag wouldn't have made much of a difference until someone tried to post a comment beneath. 6×9 (Talk) 12:01, February 22, 2011 (UTC)


Dear Senvaikis, I just wanted to ask you something: why did you blocked me a few days ago? Did I do something wrong? It said that I was harassing (which I didn't do). What does that mean in this case anyway? Please explain to me. Thanks! -hard4me

The reason for your blocking was explained to you on your talk page. In the future, please don't ignore messages and warnings, and such drastic measures won't be necessary. 6×9 (Talk) 22:55, February 22, 2011 (UTC)
Neglecting of other users and their opinion was the matter of the first your warning (and following messages from other users). But deleting their messages without any comments was something more than simple neglecting. I do hope that wasn't done intentionally, and our future collaboration will be more constructive. --Senvaikis (talk) 08:59, February 23, 2011 (UTC)
P.S. Sad, but seems my hopes were groundless... Leaving to be judged for other admins.

The Quill

Hi there I've just added "The Quill" as a band to the wiki. I am on a very steep learning curve here and although I have added lyrics to one track it is obvious have not got it right. I do want to fill in as many of the other tracks as I can

I am making an effort to add lyrics for lesser known and alternative artists and I do apologise If I am causing you more work. Rest assured this will lessen as I gain more experience

thank you in advance for your patience

-User:Sorbyl 06:08 February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Sorbyl. You are welcome, I always will be glad to help - feel free to ask, if you have any questions. And use four "~" for signing your messages. Happy editing, --Senvaikis (talk) 07:50, February 24, 2011 (UTC)
P.S. Made some initial formatting for your fav. band page, just to show how it should look like. Let me know when you'll be done with all songs lyrics, and I (Lwt) will fill required metadata (mb, iT, amg etc). Good luck!


Hey, I'm TeriffiedToxic and I admin Quake Wiki. I would just like to know how to actually do badges. Being able to do those whould be very helpful

Thanks TeriffiedToxic Sanctifying all I hate 13:36, March 3, 2011 (UTC) (PS: Please leave a message on my talk page so I know if you have responded or not)

Try to contact with Sean Colombo. I'd like to help, but now I'm practically out of reach, and truth to tell, even being online hardly could be usefull for you. --Senvaikis (talk) 18:22, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

There's no panic

That child hardly speaks to me anymore at all. The time of communication with him has simply ended. I am not sad nor panicking; I did not come to LyricWiki for friendship, but to edit Ali Project's pages and make them as accurate and complete as I can.

I thank you for your concern, regardless. Good luck with the Japanese pages you edit. :) WonderKNIGHT 19:42, March 9, 2011 (UTC)


Just short info: finally finished restoring all pages, deleted by Lwt in process of gn-restore, though 6's advice still seems to me more reasonable than later Chris' horror - just too much garbage in that list... That's why I didn't deleted this list, still requiring a lot of moves, redirs & deletions. --Senvaikis (talk) 16:55, March 19, 2011 (UTC)

@6: Still not sure about meaning of countless GNB protecting/unprotecting cycle. Should we 'reprotect' such pages? Yes, I know the question's misaddressed ;) --Senvaikis (talk) 20:47, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
I suspect GNB might not have finished all its tasks yet… Currently > 1600 pages in Takedown with Gracenotepage but none of these have been unprotected or have gn_restore template… — 6×9 (Talk) 10:26, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Out of curiosity

Hey Senv, just out of curiosity, do you have achievement badges enabled? Your list is pretty impressive:

  • Addicted
  • Art Lover
  • Bridge Builder
  • Caffeinated
  • Collaborator
  • Collector
  • Curator ×8
  • Decorator
  • Dedicated
  • Designer
  • Devoted
  • Explorer
  • Friend of the Wiki
  • Illustrator
  • Introduction
  • Just the Beginning
  • Key to the Wiki!
  • Lucky Edit ×100
  • Make a Connection
  • Making Your Mark
  • Making a Difference
  • Navigator
  • Paparazzi
  • Snapshot
  • Stopping By to Say Hi
  • Tour Guide
  • Trail Blazer
  • Two Weeks on the Wiki
  • Welcome to the Wiki
  • Wiki Builder
  • Wiki Expert ×193
  • Wiki Leader
  • Wiki Planner ×390

- Chris 00:21, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

No, display of points, badges and ranking is disabled in my profile. It would be nice if that saved some display space for more usefull info... --Senvaikis (talk) 10:05, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
body[class~=ns-2] #WikiaMainContent,
body[class~=ns-3] #WikiaMainContent {
  width: 996px !important;
body[class~=ns-2] div#WikiaRail,
body[class~=ns-3] div#WikiaRail {
  display:none !important;

Smile - Chris 11:24, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

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