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Sean Colombo

Bureaucrat Founder
  • I live in Raleigh / Durham, NC
  • I was born on April 17
  • My occupation is CEO @ BlueLine Game Studios Inc. - fmr. General Manager, Lyrics @ Wikia
  • I am male
What I'm Doing Right Now
Ledorange Busy - Fulltime making video games! Check out Hive and Khet 2.0 on Steam! (PC/Mac/Linux) or follow @BlueLineGames on twitter.

Replacement filing cabinet

Bug List

Keeping track of these all in one place so I can fix 'em. -Sean Colombo (talk|contribs)


  1. User Merge Mayhem
  2. RT #33093
    What links here is still broken. It was thought to be fixed, and it wasn't. More info on Senv's talk.
  3. RT #33094
    Facebook Application doesn't render at all. -Sean Colombo 22:46, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
  4. RT #25939
    Special:SendToAFriend doesn't work, and the button to use it isn't in the skin anymore. -Sean Colombo 20:07, October 31, 2009 (UTC)
  5. RT #25863
    Both Special:LonelyPages and Special:DeadendPages look like they show ALL pages. (Though with bots currently out of action that's not a pressing matter… Might go away by itself anyway.) — 6×9 (Talk) 08:03, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
    Running a maintenance script that will fix this. Might take some time. --TOR@fandom 16:28, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
    Can you define "some time" please TOR, only this would still not appear to be resolved.  Яєdxx Actions Words 07:53, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
    Again, can we have an update on this please TOR, only a month has almost passed and I would've thought the maintenance script had finished running by now...  Яєdxx Actions Words 12:33, October 2, 2009 (UTC) Can you also amend the "Lyric Wiki" on the Special pages to be LyricWikiplease. Thanks.
    Checking on this again ... --KyleH@fandom (talk) 22:16, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
    We're running a maintenance script now to fix this issue. The script has to iterate through all of LyricWiki's 1.2 million pages (almost 10x more than any other single wiki we host), so it's going to take a while. I don't really have a specific time-frame for a while though. I'll keep you updated on the status. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 18:08, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
    This maintenance script has finished running; however it missed a few pages that were created or edited since we performed the import. TOR has a list of those pages and will be fixing them soon. --KyleH@fandom (talk) 18:09, October 13, 2009 (UTC)
    Seems that LonelyPages is sorted now, but Special:DeadendPages is still showing ALL pages.  Яєdxx Actions Words 17:12, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
    No, it isn't showing all pages. And it can be fixed by making nulledits, I made some to some test-pages one hour or two hours before the cache was updated and the pages do not show up anymore now. I'll take care of it, because I do not touch pages as LWT does (which likely would work as well), but my AutoFix script actually does some work and that's even better than keeping the unwanted parts of a page ;) But maybe I'll ask Senv if he wants to write a bit for LWT that does the same work like my "AutoFix" script, including the opening and saving of pages. - Chris 11:17, December 31, 2009 (UTC)
    Status update: I made it to write a bunch of scripts that all together take care of Special:DeadendPages. Will need a certain amount of time, though, because I can only edit 1000 pages per day at the top. Or is there any way to either make the list longer than 1000 pages (which would be preferred) or change the cache refreshing-rate to higher than 1 times per day? - Chris 00:34, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
    Half a year later: Touchfix has done its work - S:DEP is empty except for the pages that really belong in there. - Chris 16:54, August 1, 2010 (UTC)


For all non-urgent code changes, we branch on Mondays and deploy on Wednesdays (meaning that any code that was done by Monday will go live on Wednesday... any code that misses the cutoff will go live the next Wednesday). This section is to track changes that've been made but aren't live yet. So don't expect these to work until the Wednesday after they were put here :)

  • Nothing in the queue at the moment.


REST fmt=text vs. songs with colons

If a song name contains a colon, disaster ensues: the artist is stripped:

$ GET '' | grep -v Pink
Sysyphus: Part 1...
The Grand Vizier's Garden Party: Part 1 (Entrance)...
The Wall: Music From The Film (1982)
1967: The First 3 Singles (1997)

Jidanni 05:10, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Good catch. Still broken (months later). Filed a ticket:
RT #33102
-Sean Colombo 00:54, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Case-sensitive searching for Foreign Chars

It seems searching for songs with russian titles is case sensitive -- e.g. [1] works, but [2] doesn't. Can this be fixed? Elenril 08:14, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Another thing I noticed: [3] (the same like your working but not xml) doesn't set up the correct urls in the headline, it does for the link below the lyrics. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by LWChris (talkcontribs), 17:16, 12 December 2009.

Problems with Chinese characters

It seems the API does not work when taking song/artist with Chinese characters. Any hints? -- 15:45, December 27, 2009 (UTC)

Uberbot Stuff



Here's my ideas for improving Special:Wikify:

  • Fixing the bug that turns Word's into Word'S. (looks like a regex search [^a-zA-Z][a-z] could be [^a-zA-Z'][a-z] to me :P)
  • Adding the second parameter to the {{Album Art}} template (caption) so every caption for album art isn't the default {{PAGENAME}} on artist pages.

Cheers, ♫ LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 14:46, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

In addition to the problems 6x9 and myself reported to you earlier about this, there is also another bug that has since become apparent to me whereby Wikify sometimes decides to capitalise letters.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 15:23, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Just to check, are there more bugs that I've lost track of? All that I'm currently aware of are the bugs in this thread and the ones that were recently fixed.
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 15:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
What I've noticed is that often (but not always) letters after apostrophes are capitalised. (Maybe that's what Red meant?) AFAIK it's only started doing so recently (probably introduced along with the capping-accented-letters fix). I haven't done any tests to see when they are capped and when not, though… — 6x9 (Talk) 15:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Yes it's after an apostrophe. It is also inappropriately uncapping letters in the middle of words, e.g. McIver it makes Mciver in the link (but not in the second parameter).  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 12:05, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
@Sean: Yes seems it's after all apostrophes. Any way you can fix this?
@6: I like Humbug's thinking on album art..  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 04:37, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Inappropriate capping of letters (like your example: "McIver" vs "Mciver") may look ugly, but that's the capping policy.--KaputteMenschen 15:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
Filing a ticket :( Does this mean I have to fix this now? *shivver* This one is one of those things that's way trickier than it looks (because of unicode characters).
Here goes:
RT #33106
-Sean Colombo 01:35, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
You may want to use the "PreCoder" of my "LyricWiki Suite" (LWS):
Chris 15:40, March 18, 2010 (UTC)

I've got two small suggestions for the very helpful Special:Wikify page. The tool makes a link to The Rainy Daze:Medley: Shake/knock On Wood/respect, but it should be at The Rainy Daze:Medley: Shake/Knock On Wood/Respect (which currently doesn't exist, so no worries about that). Also, the tool makes a link to Peter Tork:Mgb-Gt, but it should be at Peter Tork:MGB-GT (which also currently doesn't exist). twomeanings talk contribs 00:15, July 5, 2011 (UTC)

Orphaned pages

I think I followed the thread up about Orphaned pages or Lonely pages not including pages which are ONLY redirected to, but I can't remember where that thread is :( Until I run into it again, I'll re-start it here. The solution I was thinking of is two Special pages:

  • A list of all of the pages which are only linked to by redirects. That special page would have the weakness that some ACTUAL legitimate pages may link to those redirects which then link to these "hidden" lonely pages.
  • A second page (done now :D) which shows all real articles which link to redirects. The idea is that we can go through this page with a bot (which I haven't written yet, hopefully someone else will? ^^ please) and fix those original pages to link to the destination. This way, the previous SpecialPage which links to hidden lonely pages will actually only include pages which aren't linked to directly. This special page is done... it caches 1,000 results at a time for 2 hours: Special:Linkstoredirects.

-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 00:34, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The (most recent) discussion was on the Community Portal… until I archived it yesterday. Sorry. The first half is here and the rest a bit lower. (Was that an earthquake, or Echo and Senv jumping up and down in joy?) — 6x9 (Talk) 00:45, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Sean; one note regarding Special:Linkstoredirects - don't you think it would be better to make items of this list unique?--Senvaikis (talk) 05:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I think that all pairs are unique. Or did you mean make it so that everything in the left is unique or everything in the right is unique? If it's primarily going to be used by bots, as long as the pairs are unique it should be good. One interesting possible bug I noticed is that some of the links in the left column are red which makes me think that the pagelinks table has bad (old) data of links from pages that don't exist anymore.
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 21:29, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Considering there's a "Backgammon" as well as several JPGs and PNGs in there… not to mention EchoSierra/Sandbox/1-3000 (while User:EchoSierra/Sandbox/1-3000 clearly exists)… I'd guess the left column strips the namespace off. — 6x9 (Talk) 21:55, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
Awesome! Good catch :) -Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 22:31, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
I'd figured that was you :-) I GOT TO PATROL ONE OF SEAN'S EDITS! *hops up and down in glee* — 6x9 (Talk) 02:50, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Finally got around to fixing those links. Still need to make that other special page. If anyone is feeling botty... this first page is a good candidate! Special:Linkstoredirects ^^ lol
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 01:31, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
Yay! teknomunk wrote the bot tonight to take care of the Special:Linkstoredirects.
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 04:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
(OUTDENT) Summary of where this stands: we still need a SpecialPage which is a list of all of the pages which are only linked to by redirects. That special page would have the weakness that some ACTUAL legitimate pages may link to those redirects which then link to these "hidden" lonely pages. The fact that we have Special:Linkstoredirects (which can hopefully continue to be cleaned out by the community as well as bots) should make that weakness not matter much though.
-Sean Colombo 00:29, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
RT #33902
-Sean Colombo 19:09, December 16, 2009 (UTC)


Category Intersection

Hey there, I'm quite curious about the Special:CategoryIntersection. It seems not to be an extension enabled on request by wikia staff but a custom one by you. So could you tell me how I can use/enable this extension on another wiki? If it's a custom code, I'd love to get my hands on it and adapt it more for my use (of course with credits and such). Thanks in advantage! BFH-Wiki 11:08, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Ah, should add that to the system if it's not in there. What wiki do you want to turn it on for?
-Sean Colombo 19:53, March 24, 2012 (UTC)
On this wiki, eventually with a third category textfield. Altering the url with &category_3/4/5=... works fine, too, so it's good enough for now ;)
Thanks again, BFH-Wiki 13:07, March 25, 2012 (UTC)
Added it so that it can be changed by Community Support and then set it so it will go live automatically for battlefieldheroes. The change should go live at the next release in 2 days (Wed, March 28th, 2012).
Glad you like the extension! :)
-Sean Colombo 21:10, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
Wow, that was faster and more expansive than expected. Wikia can count itself lucky to have staff members like you! Great work! BFH-Wiki 20:49, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Not Categorized Yet

Implied redirects

Looks like they don't like non-ascii characters – works as advertised with Prodigy, but not with Кино. See the lower half of this discussion. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Filed a ticket:
RT #33107
-Sean Colombo 01:42, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
Example: Кино:Дети проходных дворов / Кино:Дети Проходных Дворов should go to Кино:Дети Проходных Дворов -Sean Colombo 07:13, December 22, 2009 (UTC)
Wow, this one is rough. It seems PHP has a tough time decoding strings with %0 in them. None of the workarounds I found online seem to be working... but it can definitely be done because Кино:Дети Проходных Дворов works just fine. -Sean Colombo 06:40, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
More test-data: ギルガメッシュ redirects to Girugamesh so ギルガメッシュ:Break Down should redirect to Girugamesh:Break Down
-Sean Colombo 22:45, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


Hi, could you provide an API in REST with JSON response that could list the albums per artist and the songs per album, for example:

  • pseudo javascript*

getAlbumsbyArtist(artist) - the response would include the artist URL here on lyricwiki, his/her name and then the list of albums with respective URL and name

getSongsbyAlbum(album,artist) - the response would include the both artist and album URL here on lyricwiki, his/her name and then the list of songs with respective URL, name.


Best regards. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk), 11.50 29th May 2009 (UTC).

About increasing frustration

The only thing I miss is a relieable source for the editcount, the parser hook #ec: doesn't exist anymore and Special:EditCount isn't the best thing... You cannot sum 2 results from it up by using #expr::

  • {{#expr:{{Special:EditCount/Raygun Shaun}}+{{Special:EditCount/Dotmoo}}}} = Expression error: Unrecognised punctuation character "".
  • {{Special:EditCount/Raygun Shaun}} = 127
  • {{Special:EditCount/Dotmoo}} = 138
  • {{#expr:33+121}} = 154

...last works as it should. - Chris 21:21, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

I was about to point out that #ec works, because {{Userboxes/EditCount}} works… until I saw that Überfuzzy had changed it… — 6×9 (Talk) 06:16, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, this is where I've got that "Special:EditCount" thingy from. - Chris 09:04, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
Bit of a bummer really. I also found that {{SUBST:Special:EditCount/LYRIC-Humbug}} doesn't work because it can't be SUBST'd. LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 10:52, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

Mainpage meta-tags (keywords)

I think the keyowrds for the mainpage could be chosen a lot better than they are now. Current keywords:

lyrics,LyricWiki,lyricwiki,Main Page,Main Page/Header/en,Community Portal/Editor's Corner/en,Karhu,Karhu:Sinfonia For The Blunt Sword (2008),Main Page/de,Main Page/el,Main Page/es,Main Page/fi,Main Page/fr,Main Page/ja

Only the first two are sensible (afaik keywords are treated case-insensitive). Let me comment on the other ones:

  1. Main Page
    • The first page displayed when visiting a general URL usually is the main page, why point that out?
    • Who would search for "Main Page"?
  2. Main Page/Header/en
    • Why should the header be interesting?
    • Who would search for "Header" or "Header/en"?
  3. Community Portal/Editor's Corner/en
    • The keywords are to represent your LyricWiki project, and the editor's corner is not what forms the page
  4. Karhu
    • Why such an unknown artist as keyword?
    • Karhu is the exact opposite to a gold-artist (just red-links, only one album)
    • Karhu certainly is not the mainstream-search-term (Michael Jackson or the artists from the iTunes- or common charts would be)
  5. Karhu:Sinfonia For The Blunt Sword (2008)
    • This album only contains redlink-songs and should NOT be the figurehead of LyricWiki
    • This album is from last year, so not the one people are currently searching for
  6. Main Page/de, Main Page/el, Main Page/es, Main Page/fi, Main Page/fr & Main Page/ja
    • Who would search for that?

As keywords are used to categorize a page and therefore are important whether the site is displayed as a result for certain searches or not, sensible keywords would be:

lyric,lyrics,lyricwiki,music,song lyrics,artist,correct lyrics,actual lyrics,translation,translated lyrics,justin bieber,taylor swift,michael jackson,iyaz,rihanna,britney spears,lady gaga

The last 7 are to be updated every few weeks. What do you think, as member of LyricWiki:One? - Chris 21:14, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

I assume Karhu and their album somehow ended up in there because they're the Free Album of the Week… It might make more sense to use the iTunes Top Songs titles & artists for tags instead. — 6×9 (Talk) 21:37, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
Oh of course, I see. However you're right, either the tags are for popular searches or for general searchterms.
N. B.: The current tags brought LyricWiki to the 22nd rank in the Google results for "karhu sinfonia for the blunt sword"; not bad, but who'd rather search for that than for "free music download" in general? - Chris 21:47, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
Fantastic points all around, guys :) Those are pretty horrible keywords. They're currently generated automatically by MediaWiki based on the links on the Main Page. There are really two issues here:
  1. The Main Page could use some work in what it's linking to at all. I have some ideas and will be throwing up a proposed new design within (I hope) the next couple of days to get some feedback. I spent a lot of Friday talking to someone who has made successful Main Pages which brought other wikis a lot more traffic, a lot more user-friendliness and even some better search-engine-respect (don't worry, there' no shady link-exchange stuff required or anything like that).
  2. If the meta-tags are still lame after the re-design, then I'll have to dig my hands into the code and fix that.
-Sean Colombo 00:11, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
Related is the ticket to redesign the Main Page:
RT #33907
-Sean Colombo 19:43, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Minor problem for when you need a break with the big stuff :-]

User-blog:LYRIC-Kiefer needs to be moved to User-blog:Kiefer. (Hrmmm. How does one link to their blog? I had to us the one-bracket method. Two-brackets were a red link.) I'd like to blog about a few music things, but I'd like to keep everything together. TOR said he was going to do it about a month ago, but I'm guessing it got lost in all the other projects.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   21:40, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Wow, my talk page is so ridiculous. Fortunately, LWChris is whipping me into shape ;) anyway... filed a FogBugz ticket for it
RT #28217
. Community or TOR will fix it if that's easy for them... if not, I asked them to bounce it back to me so I can do it manually in the database. Sorry for the 2.5 year delay :P (geeze)
-Sean Colombo 23:26, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

The Incredible Shrinking Cat

Category:Language/English is currently at 149,312 pages… I doubt the others are faring any better. And there's > 100 language cats in Special:UnusedCategories that shouldn't be. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:53, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

You do really wonder why there's no pages in "Albums released in ALBUMYEAR"? Well, some categories are obsolete since the new parser functions take care of them. By the way, is there any possibility to get rid of the fLetter thingy? Is there anything like a substring-function, that, combined with some if/else queries for "0-9" or "Symbol" could do the work for us, or is it too complex? - Chris 21:45, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
(149,498 now… growing back, but veeeeerrrrrryyyyyy slooooowwwwlllly.) I meant the language subcategories that show up in Unused even though most of them (if not all) aren't.
The fLetter thing could be automated, and it wouldn't be too complex either – but it would take a huuuuuge sorry for all the multiple vowels, Sean #switch, with cases for each Chinese, each Japanese and each Korean character, each symbol and each number. Sean mentioned the possibility of a dedicated fLetter parser function once, though (hint hint). — 6×9 (Talk) 05:05, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
May I give the hint, that if there's the possibility to cut out a single character there likely is another function to check whether a character is present in a certain string (usually anything like if String.IndexOf(Character)>0) which would result in 1 string and 1 [el]if-query for every language... ;)
In JavaScript it'd look a little bit like this:
var fLetter=pagename.substr(0,1);
var fLettersChinese="...", fLettersKorean="...", ..., fLettersNumber="0123456789";
if (fLettersChinese.indexOf(fLetter)>0) then fLetter="Chinese" else
if (fLettersKorean.indexOf(fLetter)>0) then fLetter="Korean" else
if (fLettersNumber.indexOf(fLetter)>0) then fLetter="0-9";
Chris 22:10, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
That's possible, but still rather expensive (not something you'd want to use on x*10^5 pages), and you'll need a complete list of "symbols" as well. In regex this could be done easily with ranges (or so I've been told), but installing the regex extension would be rather dangerous (or so I've been told). Dunno how the FLETTER magic words work, but if they could be translated into a parser function (with added CJK/acc.char. detection) that might be the cleanest (and least expensive) solution. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:11, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
Related to the ticket that all of the categories are messed up:
RT #25863
-Sean Colombo 19:52, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Song Of The Day

Glad to see Uber is up and running again :-)

Just wanted to ask whether it would be possible to reformat the {{Song Of The Day}} template back to the way I had it, by which I primarily mean remove the subject headings, i.e. "Reason:", "Video:", etc. from the main page. The reason I ask is because I think it looked much better being in same format as AOTW.  Яєdxx Actions Words 06:08, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Yup, that's do-able. Right now it doesn't look as good.. it's just this way for now since it involves just basically pasting the nomination in from the queue rather than trying to cut it up into parts and reshape it (which will have to be done... I just have to poke at it for a bit to get that to work).
Gooooood call,
-Sean Colombo 20:46, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Limitaion of lyrics length in XML


The service is really nice - thank you.

One question that I have : why the the lyrics are limited if you request them through XML. For example if you go to

I get only this:

<song>Before I Forget</song>

Stapled shut - Inside an outside world and I'm
Sealed in tight - Bizarre but right at home
Claustrophobic - Closing in and I'm
Catastrophic - Not again
I'm smeared across the page - And doused in gasoline
I'll wear you like a stain - Yet I'm the one who[...]

Why is that [...]? Thank you in advance

Cheers, Alexey. --Larkyphoto 14:40, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Alexey,
I hope you don't mind if it isn't Sean who answers your question; I guess you're still used to the old API or didn't expect the API to show different results than the pages?
Well, there's been a time when API-requests threw out the whole lyrics. But as the biggest music publishers recently increased their effords to tighten copyright-enforcement, their new contracts with LyricWiki contained an agreement to disable the programmatic access to the lyric-database of LW. I think it was Sean who at least saved the ability to get these first few words through API.
So these lines are the rest of what formerly was a source for many lyric programs, unfortunately... Can't fight it, though. So this is the reason for the cut lyrics. - Chris 18:24, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
@Sean: Would it be possible to have the API add a short info message after the truncated lyrics? I'm sure Alexey isn't the only user who wondered about this… — 6×9 (Talk) 18:54, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, I think we'll have to do something like that, we're still getting frequent questions about this. We originally had a message right in the response, but some users complained. Maybe I'll just add an additional field to the response which explains briefly and has a link to more info.
-Sean Colombo 18:51, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

The iPhone App

Wonder if I had the honor of being the first downloader?

I noticed that in Search mode, the autocomplete includes pages that have been redirected on the wiki -- for example, searching for Feist, the first listing is her artist page, but then the second listing is Feist:(500) Days Of Summer... (and if you click on that, you get an unformatted version of the album page for (500) Days Of Summer (2009)) and the third is Feist:1,2,3,4 (which has been redirected to Feist:1234).

Also, I'm not sure about the the gray-on-black on the lyrics pages, or the title/artist being in a serif font (you don't see a lot of serifs on the iPhone!). Trainman 00:48, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the huge delay in responding. I did make app updates based on this post, but didn't get time to reply.
Anywho: redirects showing up in type-ahead is by-design... that helps if you don't know the right name of a song (one of the best features of redirects). The really bad side-effect you mentioned (unformatted album pages) was fixed in an update... now albums and "list" pages (like the Grammy Awards) are formatted lists just like artist discography pages.
Chopping serifs is a good point though :-/
-Sean Colombo 23:38, April 12, 2012 (UTC)

Complete discographies


I've been doing quite a lot of editing lately, and just finished up The xx. I decided to add all the singles, because I believe they should be there as well, and was wondering if there was a policy on this? Should singles be added, or not?

Thanks -=KAG=-My Pride 12:44, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

The short answer is, only if they contain songs not available on a regular album. Same goes for best-of compilations and live albums, unless they're notable (e.g. being multi-million sellers). There are sites dedicated to (and much better equipped for) providing complete discographies. We add discographies mainly so that song pages are easier to find, and that aim is best served if we keep them as short and to the point as possible. (That last bit's not policy though, just my opinion.)
This question has cropped up quite often, mostly on user talk pages. Maybe a new FAQ entry is due… — 6×9 (Talk) 14:25, October 3, 2011 (UTC)
When you say regular albums, do you mean including bonus discs released on deluxe edition in that definition?
-=KAG=-My Pride 12:35, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
Yes – if the songs in question are included on a bonus disc (or as bonus tracks), and that bonus disc is listed on the artist page, then it's preferable not to list the single as well. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:49, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
All right, I'll remember that for the future. I've already added the singles for The Xx, though, and the tracks on those singles can be found on the bonus disc of their only release, what should I do about them?
-=KAG=-My Pride 22:03, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Talk Page deleted

Hello Sean Colombo,

my talk page has been deleted for no particular reason by someone unknown. Can you fix it please? ( Zaibatsu 00:28, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Weird! No history, no deletion log, it looks as if it had never been created. Eek!
If I had to guess, the system is just confused & the data is still there somewhere. Looking into it.
Sorry about this & thanks for reporting it,
-Sean Colombo 00:57, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Too much entertainments...

Hi, Sean

It's getting allmost impossible to use IE on LW, especially for anonymous users; here's one from bunch of errors:

User Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; GTB7.2; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.30; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; .NET CLR 3.5.21022; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E; InfoPath.1; OfficeLiveConnector.1.3; OfficeLivePatch.0.0)
Timestamp: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 13:14:52 UTC

Message: Object doesn't support this action
Line: 227
Char: 71
Code: 0

If warnings about errors are enabled in IE options, LW page scrolling becomes practically impossible... That doesn't mean LW hasn't any problems on other browsers, but IE is a leader here certainly.

(Just for balance: this one - from FF 9.0.1:) (f. stringify)
JSON.parse: unexpected character
Line 9

... and so on...

--Senvaikis (talk) 13:42, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
Senv, I reported this on (Thursday?) when you mentioned it but just wanted to follow up. Is it any better for you now? I checked it out in IE 9 on my computer, but IE 9 is often significantly different than IE 8.
Thanks for the info!
-Sean Colombo 00:25, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
  • Still getting mentioned oasis_extensions_js err. while scrolling most lw pages on IE.
  • Firebug on FF still points to the same fn. stringify error also.
--Senvaikis (talk) 07:44, January 18, 2012 (UTC)

Spam filter reporting

Any reason why the spam filter problems report page is telling me I don't have permission to edit it?

The spam filter issue I was attempting to report involves the N-word in John Lennon:Woman Is The Nigger Of The World and a new page for a cover version of that song, Ben Lee:Woman Is The Nigger Of The World. Trainman 05:25, March 24, 2012 (UTC)

Just reminder...

Hi, Sean,

looking at recent Janitors editions (1, 2), seems that "= problem", mentioned in Janitors talkpage, still remains unsolved. Or, what's more likely, - unnoticed; that's why I decided to 'bump' you right here ;).
And one more wish: it would be fine to implement some procedure for artist name validation, to avoid creating such ghost-artist pages like "Kurt Nilsen Espen Lind Askil H", "Blues Brothers, The" or "Seven Nation Army Rmx(Po…". Tia, --Senvaikis (talk) 12:47, March 26, 2012 (UTC)
...any reaction? :( --Senvaikis (talk) 12:29, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
I think it's finally fixed. Sorry for the delay. -Sean Colombo 13:34, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
Sorry for rearchiving this reminder, but the "ghost-artist" part of it still needs your attention; see latest additions (Lady Antebellum - or È®šç¾Žä¹‹æ³). Tia, --Senvaikis (talk) 16:51, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

Meeting in Chat

Hey Sean,

I'd like to talk to you about several things, so please join the chat when you've got time to. It'll take approx. 10-20 minutes. - Chris 19:18, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Hi there,
I'm at the All Hands so we're booked all week except for a few seconds here and there... will pop on when I get a chance. Sorry for the delay! :)
-Sean Colombo 14:41, April 19, 2012 (UTC)
I'm hopping on and off & will continue to until I run into you :)
-Sean Colombo 22:07, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

YouTube extension


I would like to improve the YouTube extension. In particular, I would like to add Dailymotion to the supported sites. It would also be interesting to support the parameter to start at the middle of the video ("t=" on YouTube, "start=" on Dailymotion).

Sarah Manley told me that you could help me to get started on modifying an extension, and then to have my changes integrated into Wikia. Right now I don't even know where I can find the code of the extension: I found this one and several others; I don't know which one is used on Wikia. And is it possible to test an extension somewhere on Wikia?

You can email me if you prefer.

--Rinaku 19:56, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hi Rinaku :)
The version of the extension we're using is /extensions/wikia/YouTube. There is no easy way for the public to test changes on Wikia yet (TOR is working on this, I think). So the best way to test the extension would be to install normal MediaWiki and then just download that code and include the /extensions/wikia/YouTube/YouTube.php file. I assume it doesn't have many other requirements.
Thanks for helping out & please let me know if you have other questions :)
-Sean Colombo 20:09, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
Okay thanks. --Rinaku 21:12, May 8, 2012 (UTC)

The new Search option

Hey Sean,

I'm pretty sure this has happened for all wikias, but searching for something on the search bar doesn't take you directly to the page you search for anymore, instead, it takes you to a list of search options, which I don't like at all. However, it also seems that the search suggestions has been removed from this wiki specifically, though, although I may be mistaken. I just felt like telling you this because it really slows down my work here on the wiki, and was wondering if you could do anything about it.

Thanks in advance :) XxTimberlakexx 21:59, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback :) it helps. The search change (to turn off automatically going to a page) was intentional, but there seems to be a lot of mixed feedback so they're pondering it more deeply. At the current moment, that is the intended behavior though.

As for the search-suggest... that's a temporary bug. It was re-written (to be better, faster, stronger ;)) but when it was released today, there was an issue after getting hammered by all the traffic of the site (and even more-so on wikis like LyricWiki which have eleventy-billion pages). Literally as I type this, some guys are working on fixing it 10 feet away. Should be fixed soon :)

Hope everything is going well w/you & that this clears things up a bit... thanks again for the feedback! :D
-Sean Colombo 22:28, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Things are going quite well, thanks for asking. Been doing a lot of Bronzing to artist pages, and I Bronzed my first artist page, The Fireman, last week! :D It irks me that some artist pages are ranked Bronze, though, when some of the songs and albums are still green. Luckily I consider Bronzing all their songs and albums before doing the artist page.

Anyways, glad to hear the search suggest is a temporary bug. I mean, taking away both the search suggest and going directly to a page you search for make it much harder for me to work on here, especially since the search-suggest helped me avoid getting sent to the list of search options. And what do you mean guys are fixing it 10 feet away? :O Great to hear it'll be fixed soon though, great news to me.

No problem for the feedback! :D XxTimberlakexx 22:45, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Just a quick note to say that you while we removed "go" search, we did add it as a personal preference so you can enable it for your own experience. Just go to Special:Preferences, click the "Under the Hood" tab, and choose "Enable Go-Search" in the advanced section. This will turn it back on for your personal experience. --Dopp WikiaStaff.png (help forum | blog) 23:42, May 16, 2012 (UTC)

Hey Sean,

I opted in for Go Search like Dopp mentioned above, but starting this morning it takes me to the search options again, and the search-suggest disappeared again. And I checked, and Go Search is still on. I presume they're still working on it? XxTimberlakexx 21:23, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

Strange bug on Wikiamobile

Hi Sean, not sure if you're the best guy to come to, but anyhow...

I'm having a rather weird bug when viewing an album page on the Wikiamobile skin (the one used by smartphone browsers). Where the album art should appear in the infobox instead has a copy of the actual page. You can see an example of this by navigating your (computer) browser to this url. I'm not exactly sure what's causing it. Do you mind checking it out?

    ǝsʞpɐןǝ  (talk page)  14:00, 21/05/2012

Actually, I just found the line of code causing it. In Template:AlbumHeader, there is a section of code
<div style="display:none">{{:File:{{{Cover}}}}}</div>
The mobile skin strips styling, so is causing the page to be outputted as well. What is the use of that piece of code, and can it be worked around?     ǝsʞpɐןǝ  (talk page)  14:05, 21/05/2012
I think you mean the template {{Album}} (the naming of the basic templates is not very coherent round here...). I quickfixed the issue by highjacking the printfooter class to that element, as this was the only class that had applied display: none to it in the WikiaMobile skin. Unfortunately our own style isn't used and I don't know if there is any page like MediaWiki:WikiaMobile.css that would be evaluated.
I hope that this won't break printouts, because as printers have a lot of time to render a page, I hope they will not strip the styles and let the display: none overrule any other setting saying else, for example with @media print. - Chris 22:53, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
As to its use, it's to display a notice on the album page if the image has no {{albumcover}} template, and add a category so we can find it. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:00, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
I wanted to say that but I forgot, it was late when I fixed it :D - Chris 17:52, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Unresponsive script

A script on this page may be busy, or it may have stopped responding. You can stop the script now, or you can continue to see if the script will complete.

--Senvaikis (talk) 16:12, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Does this sound like the same issue you're having?
- Firefox
- Shrink the browser width just enough so that the horizontal scrollbar at the bottom appears with almost no sliver of horizontal movement.
- Be logged in

Afterwards, wiggle around the toolbar lock zones on random pages.

Current behavior:
After the precondition is met, crossing the toolbar lock zone will freeze the browser.

Expected behavior:
Nothing unusual should occur.

Steps to reproduce:
1. Meet the pre-condition as stated above.
2. Wiggle back and forth around the toolbar lock zone.
Or does that not describe your browser & what's happening?
-Sean Colombo 23:37, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for response, Sean, but now, on my work-box browser, this message doesn't appear. Should recheck that later in the evening, on my laptop (both W7+FF12). (Behaviour was very similar to described above, as I can recall). --Senvaikis (talk) 07:16, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
PS (evening): as it was expected, - can't reproduce the situation, e.g. - ticket closed.
Sad to say, but it was too optimistic closing this ticket - same script bug with the same behaviour makes pagescrolling impossible again, freezing FF completely... --Senvaikis (talk) 16:03, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but I can't reproduce this behaviour? [4] - Chris 19:48, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
Nothing strange, 'cause I can't reproduce it also (again). It appears irregularly and vanishes silently as Cheshire Cat, leaving only Sean's smile (...senv's mirages again...). Just one question: where then Sean's description of the bug was taken from? :) --Senvaikis (talk) 20:47, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
There is currently a case open (31232) in our bug-tracking system with the description above. One of our front-end engineers thought it sounded like the same thing. That bug still isn't fixed, so it's still possible they're releated.
Thanks for the additional info, hopefully we can figure out what's going on.
-Sean Colombo 21:26, June 6, 2012 (UTC)
Still happening? -Sean Colombo (talk) 18:38, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
No. --Senvaikis (talk) 19:59, August 8, 2012 (UTC)


PLEASE make me an admin? Jerome (Ian Streeter) Just my contribs! 20:06, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Blue again

An old CSS bug reappeared again in preview window.

I see red-links for non-existant pages in Chrome. Is it normal non-existent pages that are messing up for you, or was it a category or something?
-Sean Colombo 17:57, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
I see the same (with red links) now too. Feeling stupid, though can swear - that wasn't a mirage :) --Senvaikis (talk) 18:41, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
Haha, well I'm glad it's fixed. :) Was probably just a temporary problem. -Sean Colombo 19:22, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Vicious cycle

Hi Sean,

may I ask you to take a look at one quite old message about GNB's Vicious cycle?
(Last news: 213 protecting/unprotecting edits of David Gray:Draw The Line during last 2 months).
Tia, --Senvaikis (talk) 22:11, June 16, 2012 (UTC)
will take a peek when I get to the office tmrw. Thanks for the head's up!
-Sean Colombo 04:35, June 18, 2012 (UTC)
The problem is that it doesn't remember what it's processed (keeps happening). I think I fixed the file permissions (again) and re-ran. If it works, then it shouldn't do any updates tomorrow.
-Sean Colombo 00:04, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Bump rhymes with Jump. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:01, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Yikes. Will try to fix it again tomorrow. -Sean Colombo 22:29, July 8, 2012 (UTC)
Looks fine, ran it by hand and it seems to have updated the file (which records progress) just fine. Must be some weird permissions thing. For the record, the log file was sean:501, then I chowned to sean:www-data and ran the script it as me, and it worked. The xml files are root:root, so I chowned the log file to be root:root now. If it's not still root:root, then maybe Chef is messing with the permissions.
-Sean Colombo 22:37, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
Been keeping an eye on this and it looks like it's finally behaving. It's done a couple more updates, then remembered that they actually updated. -Sean Colombo (talk) 02:29, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

Problem with page creation

I want paste Chinese music lyric here, but it isn't possible:

When I hear your voice over the line. All I wanna do is to keep you on my mind. I only had one die. How long? Don't wanna play the fool. How did we end up like this baby. Just wanna play a cool. I knew always promise.

RAP:Won't you tell me baby boo what you want what you need may be, I'll be the one that you need till I die baby. Let me!Tell you about the things that you don't realize, so let me televize my love,so you can fantasize. Conjuction-Function But look at the situation. Don't waste a time let's have a conversation. It's kind of sad but that's our only option. Let's keep it down low till I get there uh

连耳朵都肿啦 话说太多声音都哑啦 抱着电话有点爱睏 还捨不得挂

RAP:Yeah, that's how it is ,as I keep on reminess, you know I keep it real on yes we've got to deal with this, but I'm sick of this, pocker face acting stupid for the Show-biz Gee-biz but wait I'll be there, When I'm done with this

我昨天睡太晚 我想你想到三点半 早上匆匆忙忙忘东忘西过得一团乱 很容易不耐烦 总嫌时钟走得那麽慢 想用平常心谈恋爱有点难 现在就想马上见到你 就想马上靠着你 别说一天就连一秒都快等不及 你说你也渴望将热情租一艘火箭当快递 虽然夸张还是感觉甜蜜蜜

RAP:My heart is always with you even though we're a part baby. I know you're sad and blue but that can't take as a part. Get away from the dark baby come and see the light. Yuki,in my dream I could with in my Mitsubishi. But times going are going and gone it's gone like the wind that can't stop, but stop not at the bus stop, you I my drop top. Yeah put time in lock. That's right. You and me baby messing around in parking lot, don't wake me up.

想着我 Take the time to explain my mind 跟着我 You so fine I wanna make you mine 只想永远在一起 Can you be with me? Live in luxury,and we be making precious history. I keep your picture by my bed so I can know you're in my head. Take my hand by your hand,and I will always be your man. You gotta trust in me like I would trust in you, baby close your eyes and my love will see you through.

总有人不嫌烦 找理由过来搭讪 每次都会让我特别想你觉得好孤单 遥远的距离 就有不安躲在心裡转 今夜月亮弯弯心情有点蓝 现在就想马上见到你 就想马上抱着你 别说一天就连一秒都快等不及 等待对爱来说像酷刑 却又有神奇的魔力 它让见面再甜也都不会腻

RAP:If you keep this in your mind, we will make it through this time. You will find, it's a sign, it's written in my rhyme. Even though we are apart, you are always in my heart. Honey stay with me forever and throuugh any thing endeavor. Can we make it through this phase, I will see you through this maze. If you put your faith in me, happy ending it will be.That's a promise. Yuki, have a little patience,and in time, you'll see.

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs), 07:06, June 23, 2012 (UTC).

Hi, what is the name of that song, and why was it impossible to create the page? - Chris 22:29, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Access Denied?

When I open these two pages, access is denied because "Policy prevents this page to be accessed". Why? The Muppets:Bohemian Rhapsody (2009), The Muppets:Bohemian Rhapsody

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Iamvincentliu (talkcontribs), 07:13, June 24, 2012 (UTC).

Right now it works for me... Please try if this problem was of temporary nature, or if it still persists for you and confirm it. - Chris 09:40, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
It works now, thank you. Vincent Liu 14:19, June 24, 2012 (UTC)


Sean! Sean! Sean! *poke poke* I've got an idea for a great Wikia extension you can surely create within a day or two! Lol I need to talk to you! Grin - Chris 19:19, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Go on... haha. I'm in chat -Sean Colombo 21:01, July 11, 2012 (UTC)

Wikia system error

I get the following message while trying to create page Walk Off The Earth:Man Down (2011)
PHP fatal error in /usr/wikia/slot2/code/extensions/AbuseFilter/AbuseFilter.hooks.php line 29: Call to a member function getRawText() on a non-object
Any ideas? --Vincent Liu (talk) 06:04, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

  1. Same on creating The Turtles:You Baby (1966), while The Turtles:Turtle Soup (1969) was created without any problems at the same time.
  2. What's been changed in file upload system? (Yesterday I've lost ~4 hours to understand why Lwts file uploading suddenly stopped working, while discovered that now parameter "wpEditToken" must be prefilled by HttpRequest...) Was this the only change? And would it be possible to have some kind of bulletin-board for informing (at least admins) about all such kind system changes?
Tia, --Senvaikis (talk) 11:48, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
Tried temporarily disabling all 4 of our abuse filters, but still no turtles allowed... — 6×9 (Talk) 12:59, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
Just thought that this succesfull attempt to overcome the bug may be interesting, trying to determine the nature of the bug (album Alejandro Lerner:Permiso De Volar (1994) was uncreatable initially). --Senvaikis (talk) 12:10, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
P.S. One more curiosity - right now two other albs of the same artist (also used to be uncreatable) suddenly turned into normal state and were created without any cheating ;) --Senvaikis (talk) 12:53, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
Last news: the bug have spread on songs also... --Senvaikis (talk) 06:25, July 26, 2012 (UTC)
Not sure if this has already been noted (or if this is any help at all), but I've found that the error seems to happen when creating an album that has the same name as a song page that already exists. For example, these previously existing song pages prevented albums from being created:
twomeanings talk contribs 15:31, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
Nice catch! Reviewed over 30 albums, created with fake-stage - all of them contained self-titled songs. To make it 100% clear I've made a little experiment with A Wilhelm Scream:Diver (2006). It was uncreatable until I temporary renamed song A Wilhelm Scream:Diver. Just after that album was created without any problems. So, your genious assumption was 100% right! I always knew women are more observant :) Thanks, --Senvaikis (talk) 16:35, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
Oh ... and I never knew she was female. Whoops... Blush So what's the problem? Creating two similar named pages within a short period of time, creating a page that contains the title (which would be absolutely stupid of course), or is it just some SQL statement that goes postal because of a false positive match? - Chris (talk) 18:40, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
Can't be the time difference, The Turtles:You Baby was created 3 years ago. Maybe the implied-redirect-rule, which stealthily redirects folks from "Page Name (With Parenthesis)" to "Page Name" if the latter exists but the former doesn't, doesn't play nicely with the new MW version? Doubt it's some SQL error; abuse filter should jump into action *before* DB gets involved. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:05, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
I'll add that the page I'm creating also has a self titled song Walk Off The Earth:Man Down. -- Vincent Liu (talk) 06:48, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
I have already had implied redirect problems when I created different versions of songs, like with Deadmau5:Ghosts N Stuff. I'm not sure how I fixed it back then, but I'm sure it was either by appending action=edit or redirect=no to the url.
I've never seen the error mentioned above, when exactly do we get it? If you visit the page name, if you click create, if you save? - Chris 11:38, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
If you still haven't find any object for tests - here are two albums, meeting Twomeanings criterion: ABN:Seriewoordenaar (2000) and ABN:ABNormaal (1998). --Senvaikis (talk) 19:38, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you. So the workaround is either creating the album first or temporarily move the song.
Okay then let's analyze this... This is line 29 of AbuseFilter.hooks.php
Obviously, it's trying to get the latest revision. So my assumption is: thanks to implied redirects, AbuseFilter thinks, we are submitting an edit for an existing page. Therefore, the extensions kicks in to inspect our edit. But as we are in fact creating a new article, $article->getRevision() is likely NULL (because there is no latest revision), and NULL->getRawText() results in the error described above.
I'm not sure what exactly makes AbuseFilter think the page already exists now (i. e. why that behaviour didn't occur earlier). Maybe with V 1.19 they redesigned the function to determine whether a page exists, now using code which falls for the implied redirects, opposed to a database query that asks for that particular title and returns the correct result (page does not exist). But that is just a guess. - Chris 16:47, July 29, 2012 (UTC)
Seems Twomeanings criterion (TC) should be corrected, 'cause strictly speaking it's not 100% true (Alexandre Pires:Estrella Guía (2003) was created in a "simple old manner", though it contained song Alexandre Pires:Estrella Guía).
But please, don't treat this note as instigation for a new "investigations". As it stands, now we are more like those blind men from one wise story, not real admins. I'd better like to hear some comment from any real admin, making all these changes. So, please, any "sighted" person, - tell us, blind men - what are we touching? I'm afraid only that "sighted" persons are all deaf-mute... ;) --Senvaikis (talk) 11:51, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
P.S. One common thing for all exeptions from TC - accented characters in the title ('''È''' Tutto Un Attimo, Senza Piet'''à''', La Musica '''È''' Niente). ...still can't refrain from touching an elephant in the dark...;)--Senvaikis (talk) 15:02, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
P.P.S. Titles in non-latin alphabet also belong to this category: Инфинити (Infinity):Я Так Хочу (2010). --Senvaikis (talk) 10:10, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Bug in lyric box

Just making sure you're aware of this bug. — 6×9 (Talk) 12:48, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Changes in mwApi also?

What a hell? One more tangle, this time in mwapi. Don't know if that was done under design, or this new behaviour is just one more new bug, but now mwapi fails to return correct result, if some query parameters are lowercased.
Two examples:
  • Let's try to get a list of artists in interval "Al" - "Ali". There are over 480 artists in this interval, but api returns... only "Alaska & Me"...
  • Query from "Al" to "B" should return over 3800 items, but results with:
      <cm ns="0" title="Alaska & Me" />
      <cm ns="0" title="Ali Project" />
      <cm ns="0" title="Alice" />
      <cm ns="0" title="Alice In Wonderland" />
      <cm ns="0" title="Alicia Villarreal" />
      <cm ns="0" title="Amanda Perez" />
      <cm ns="0" title="Andy Kim" />
      <cm ns="0" title="Anne Curtis" />
      <cm ns="0" title="Armia" />
      <cm ns="0" title="Aïoli" />
      <cm ns="0" title="Aşkın Nur Yengi" />
      <cm ns="0" title="Aṣa" />
Seems that now api understands only uppercased query parameters (this query returns 482 items, as it was expected).
But why it stopped to understand lowercase, and is this the only change, made in api? And should developers start changing their tools, or it's better to wait for some fixes or at least comments?
Or am I missing something here?
Anyway - life is never boring in LW... :) --Senvaikis (talk) 19:44, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
It appears that LyricWiki was recently upgraded to MediaWiki 1.19 (it's being rolled out across all of wikia over a course of weeks/months because it requires a database change which takes a while on each wiki). My guess is that this and a bunch of other weirdness lately are related.
-Sean Colombo (talk) 05:36, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

SOTD page down

Hi Sean,

the SOTD page is kind of down, I'm afraid the DB is clogged. We need to run a maintenance script on it. Is there any way to do that, or can you export a dump of the sotdnoms table? - Chris 19:00, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

The SOTD page is still down… --Vincent Liu (talk) 07:14, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
Looks like we need to update it to work with MediaWiki 1.19.
PHP Fatal error: Call to protected method DatabaseMysql::doQuery() from context 'SOTD' (URL: in /usr/wikia/slot2/code/extensions/3rdparty/LyricWiki/SongOfTheDay/Special_SOTD.body.php on line 265
-Sean Colombo (talk) 19:09, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
I filed a bug ticket yesterday & it looks like someone fixed it.. if all goes well, it'll be live on Wednesday. -Sean Colombo (talk) 17:30, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
Code release went out Thursday this week instead of Wednesday, but it's out & Special:SOTD is working again ^_^ sorry for the delays
-Sean Colombo (talk) 15:31, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, it's working again! --Vincent Liu (talk) 23:30, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
Hi Sean, could you please grant Cubs Fan the right "sotdhelper"? I don't know why but it's apparently switchable by anything above bureacrats. - Chris 18:03, August 19, 2012 (UTC)
Done. Weird that the right needs more than Bureaucrat. I'm on a phone but will peek at that when I get too a computer. - Sean Colombo (talk) 04:26, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Custom namespace possible?

Hi Sean,

is it possible to add a new customized page namespace for LyricWiki? I don't need it yet but it's crucial for my planning for T-Line to know whether we have the possibility to set up something like this. - Chris 10:35, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

[5] should answer the question about possibility. Or did you actually mean to ask Sean whether he'd do it? ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 11:27, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
yep it is doable. Would need to be done in the code though. -Sean Colombo (talk) 13:57, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
Cool. You all feel free to comment on this. Smile - Chris 16:16, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Probably your last

Diamond Record The Diamond Record
Sean Colombo, I hereby present you with this Diamond Record because you were the one to get the ball rolling. Look at everything here, look at what grew from the littlest seed you planted not even 6.5 years ago: some site in the world wide web. By now, LyricWiki has become one amongst the top five(!) MediaWikis in the world. Look at what you've done, Sean, it is your digital legacy. You will be missed.
Chris 01:24, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
 :'( that's very sweet. I won't be far and hope I can stay in touch... but I'll still miss building this thing with you guys! -Sean Colombo (talk) 20:18, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

Wikify album

Out of curiosity, how did you create Special:Wikify? --Vincent Liu (something to say?) 01:09, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Are you wondering how extensions are made in general, or specifically about how Special:Wikify figures out what to do with the text? :)
-Sean Colombo (talk) 03:20, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
Probably how they are made in general. --Vincent Liu (something to say?) 03:21, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Goear error

When I visit Goear links, Google gives a malicious website error. Anything wrong? --Vincent Liu (something to say?) 05:15, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Google error message: [6] Maybe someone managed to hack their site? Should we hide the SF.goear links for now? — 6×9 (Talk) 12:43, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
Probably a good idea to hide the links for now. Usually that type of problem doesn't last very long once they realize it (because it's typically an advertiser that's injecting something bad). I'll contact GoEar to make sure that they know.
-Sean Colombo (talk) 16:18, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
PS: Actually, it seems that the warning is gone & they're not listed as suspicious anymore

Cannot add lyrics


I can't add lyrics to this song: My submission get's blocked by spam filter. It may be caused by the slashes in the song name. Could you fix it?

L0ner (talk) 14:03, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Hello L0ner,
in this particular case it was good the spam filter blocked your edits: the correct name for this song isn't "In The Blood /My Forgotten Friend/", but "In The Blood (My Forgotten Friend)", which we already have here: Sweet Noise:In The Blood (My Forgotten Friend). Please contribute your edits, corrections or additions to this page. Thank you, Chris 20:55, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
Well, the official track name, as it is written on the album cover, is "in the blood/my forgotten friend/". What policy do we use here? We use track names from, or from the album?
L0ner (talk) 14:31, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
Do you have any visible reference for the album cover? I couldn't find it in the Internet.
As slashes do have a special meaning in wiki page titles (sub pages) and URLs in common (sub folders), I think we should keep the current page name. - Chris 19:27, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
Since I own a copy of this album I do. Pics of track listing to view here:
L0ner (talk) 11:45, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
Indeed, these are slashes. We can now treat it two ways:
a) we can see the slashes as stylistic element, like using the † character instead of "t" for printed tracklists, whereas the track names on Amazon or iTunes use the "t". We then might "translate" these characters in the semantically correct characters without further things to do. In this specific case it's hard to find out if the slashes are stylistic, because there is no official digital plaintext tracklisting available (at least not on their home page, as far as I can tell).
b) we can treat it as the correct name, and have to decide whether we want to stick to that or the way people would usually search for the song.
Anyway, the fact that these are slashes does not help with my technical concerns (page name ending on "/"). We could maybe create a redirect here, so that people who search for the one thing will be redirected to the other. I'd like to consult at least one other admin first, though, in which direction this redirect should point. - Chris 21:40, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
Now that you mentioned getting plaintext tracklisting, I've put the Album in my PC and CDDA tags included on the disc list this track with parenthesis, even if I've seen the singer use slashes instead of quotes and parenthesis a lot. I don't know if it's his personal choice to write like this, or if it comes from his education (I believe he studied in Libya and/or Sudan, where he lived as child, if I remember correctly what he was saying in interviews and wrote on his facebook profile).
Besides now that I look at the page for this album, it's listed with parenthesis even there. So let's assume we have the correct name now.
- L0ner (talk) 01:33, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, I can try to set up a redirect just in case, but I'll do this tomorrow, because I do not have much time now and I want to be able to fix any weird side effects rightaway if such a redirect has any. - Chris 00:29, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
Ok, that would be perfect. Thanks. - L0ner (talk) 17:49, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, sorry, I tried it but even for me the spamfilter prohibits the creation of a page ending on /. I think it's because usually that'd cause the technical issues I've been talking of. The spamfilter can hardly know we have turned off the subpages for the content namespace. Sorry, I thought I could create such a redirect, but it's not possible. Maybe a system admin could, but I guess it's not worth the enormous efforts, is it? - Chris 00:04, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
I doubt it's got anything to do with subpages; slashes haven't caused problems in a loooooong while (and even then only in conjunction with ampersands). It's probably that the additional ending slash makes it look like a URL and therefore suspicious.
I already tried moving the page to "…/", but that wasn't allowed either. Probably a good thing, since we might not have been able to edit it afterwards… — 6×9 (Talk) 12:36, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
So just leave it just like it is now. - L0ner (talk) 16:11, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Dev Wiki Community Project

I saw your "ad" on the Wikia Developers Wiki. What kind of jQuery compression do we need?

Hi there :)
It's actually not compression that's needed... we need to port a bunch of old YUI code to jQuery. More info here: w:c:dev:Removing_YUI. I'm not sure if that's up to date anymore, but I assume it is.
Thanks for the help! :)
-Sean Colombo (talk) 23:11, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Question about UberBot

Hey Sean! Long time no talk. I just wanted to quote to you something I asked EchoSierra about - she told me to come to you though since UberBot is your bot.

Quote by XxTimberlakexx: "Do you think there's a way to program UberBot to insert the SOTD template in the correct spot when it puts it on a song page? It always puts it below the Song template no matter what, so it always ends up above the AddAlb, YouTube embed, WP-Song, GameFeature, and B-Hits templates. I mean, it's the correct position for songs that don't have these templates, but there should be a way for UberBot to recognize these templates and put the SOTD badge under all of them once it detects them."

It's had this error for as long as I can remember. It's pretty hindering, as a human will always need to move it to the correct spot every day. Looking forward to your response ^^ XxTimberlakexx (talk) 20:33, May 10, 2013 (UTC)

Think I fixed it. It'll appear below youtube where that is, and if there isn't one... then it'll appear below the first one of these it finds: wp-song, gamefeature, b-hits, or addalb. If those aren't found, then it'll appear below Song. Tested it a little and it seems to work.
-Sean Colombo (talk) 02:06, May 11, 2013 (UTC)
Neat! I'm surprised this wasn't reported to you sooner! I assumed it was something that couldn't be fixed because people would have noticed by now. Pretty surprising no one's said anything about it before.
Anyways, tomorrow's SOTD has YouTube and WP-Song, so we'll see if UberBot correctly positions it. Wink XxTimberlakexx (talk) 02:20, May 12, 2013 (UTC)

Description2 and setmainimage

Hi, Sean. I was watching the Wikia SEO seminar on Community Central today, and in it, there was mention of using OpenGraph to manually set image and descriptions for Facebook shares etc. with {{#setmainimage:image.jpg}} and {{#description2:a description}}.

I have a few questions, if you can spare the time. Firstly, are these functions enabled on all wikia wikis by default? I ask because, when entered on any page on the DC Database, #setmainimage simply returns the image name "image.jpg", and {{description2:... appears in plain text. So far as I can tell, the only meta-description related extensions our wiki (the DC Database) has access to is the one for the MainPage - which doesn't help our SEO as much as having page-specific descriptions would.

Second question: do those fields affect google results too, or just Facebook and other sharing platforms?

If you can do anything to help me get an understanding of this stuff, that would be great, as I'm the only guy on our wiki who has any knowledge of template coding and parser functions - and that knowledge is pretty basic. - Hatebunny (talk) 20:28, May 22, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Hatebunny,
I think it's enabled wikia-wide and appears to be working on Marvel. For example, a page which uses the template you updated: Kirk Quentin (Earth-One) seems to be working. In the template, they just return the normal code, as expected... but by wrapping the image and description in #setmainimage and #description2, you give the code a chance to detect those values where it actually builds the OpenGraph values.
Here are two ways to see what's going on:
  • Do "view source" in your browser, then search the code for "og-image" and "og-desc" and that will take you to the Open Graph meta tags. As you can see, Kirk Q's image and history from the template are in there.
  • Use the facebook linter, and enter the URL whose OpenGraph values you want to see. Compare that value to something which doesn't use your template (like superman) and you can see how much better it is after your changes. Great job! :D
As for your second question: Facebook is the main user, but the standard is public and the hope is that others use it, or will use it. There are rumors that Google uses these for something, but nobody seems to know for sure.
Hope that helps. Looks like you did a great job... now go share one of those pages on facebook and see it in action! :D
-Sean Colombo (talk) 20:57, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response - but I've still got an issue.
The description that is used for any page tends to be the first text that is rendered on the page. As yet, I can't see any way to choose which text is used for that description, because, as I mentioned, #description2 just renders as plain text instead of behaving as a parser function (It displays like this on pages: {{#description2:Here's a bunch of words}})
You can see in the source of that Kirk Quentin page that the first text that appears on the page is the history section, which is ideal. But, on a page like Batman (Bruce Wayne), where there's a pagequote, the quote gets used as the description instead of the history section. If I could wrap #description2 around the history variable in the template, and have it work, that would be perfect.
And thank you for that debug link. Super useful!- Hatebunny (talk) 21:24, May 22, 2013 (UTC)
Ah, that's messed up. I don't see #description2 even enabled in Special:Version. I assume that it should be, and that's why it's not working anymore. I don't work @ Wikia anymore, so I can't poke around on the internal tool which helps find extensions. Should probably ask Special:Contact what's up with description2 and if it could be re-enabled sitewide.
-Sean Colombo (talk) 21:48, May 22, 2013 (UTC)



I'm writing a paid-android application and I wanted to integrate some lyrics in the app. I found Lyric Wiki and I wanted to know if I'm allowed to show the pages of the wiki inside the app.


--Jar5 (talk) 13:50, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

There is a way you can show lyrics pages as long as you execute Javascript, etc.. You can find the details here.
Good luck!
-Sean Colombo (talk) 16:15, June 25, 2013 (UTC)


thank you for your reply.

I read your link about API FAQ and I understand why there is the javascript requirement. I have 2 more questions:

- I'm worry about the "legal" point of view: because mine is a paid application, is this a problem? Still taking care about the javascript-enabled pages.

- About page skin: I've seen the LyricWiki lyrics app (here: and they use a black background for viewing lyrics. Because my application have a general dark appearance, is it possible to know what the name of that skin is? Or if it's something other than a skin.

Thanks again.

--Jar5 (talk) 10:10, June 27, 2013 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for the delay.
- For the legal aspects, I don't think being a paid app changes anything (disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer).
- The "LyricWiki lyrics" app is a special case since that's done by Wikia directly. They have a specific license for their own apps & they pay royalties directly... so that's not a skin you could use.
Good luck w/your app!
-Sean Colombo (talk) 20:27, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Capital Kings Wiki

Hello, I was wondering if you would like to affiliate with the Capital Kings Wiki? I am the founder of the wiki, and someone recommended that I ally with you. Thanks! Nxtstep101 (Talk) 19:02, July 28, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Nxtstep101,
It always seems like a good idea to me, for artist wikis to integrate with LyricWiki. :) I'd recommend linking each song/album page to where you can get the lyrics on LyricWiki (which is the only wiki set up with lyrics licensing - so that artists get paid their royalties - last I checked)... and then I'd recommend putting a link in the header of their Artist page to the Capital Kings Wiki, and then linking each song/album back to the CKWiki's song/album page (probably in the footer on those pages).
If you need some help with LyricWiki rules or editing, the community portal and its talk page are great places to get help.
Best of luck!
-Sean Colombo (talk) 21:28, July 29, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you, I will be sure to do those things. :) Nxtstep101 (Talk) 12:30, August 2, 2013 (UTC)

GN stats

Senv made a batch of exhausti[ve|ng] lists, you can grab them on his talk page. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:29, November 14, 2013 (UTC)

Timed lyrics

Hi; I wasn't sure where to ask this, so I figured a bureaucrat's talk page should work. Does lyric wiki allow or support timestamped lyrics? --AsherMaximum (talk) 21:09, November 15, 2013 (UTC)

Not officially (yet), but we do kinda sorta have a way to add them: see Template:Timed and the two lonesome pages in the categories linked at the bottom. We're just not sure whether or how they'd be useful, so any feedback on that is welcome. — 6×9 (Talk) 22:39, November 15, 2013 (UTC)


While you're around, there are some bugs with the LF namespace that you might want to look into:

  1. it clogs up several special pages: Special:LonelyPages, Special:DeadendPages, Special:UncategorizedPages
  2. even though each LF page has Category:LyricFind Lyrics and that cat is currently our Most Wanted, it appears empty
  3. their database is even more of a mess than GN's apparently (example, not to mention loads of dupes that only differ in capitalisation)

Not much you can do about the third, but 1 & 2 should be fixed. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:06, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, not to mention that the lyrics are almost never correct in that NS :-/
On the bright side, those pages don't have to stay... they can be merged just like the GN pages. It might be a little messier (due to the capitalization / duplication problems you mentioned) but soon the problem should be over.
Thanks for the links!
-Sean Colombo (talk) 15:15, November 24, 2013 (UTC)

Question regarding e-mail weekly digests

I posted this on another admin's Talk page, and he suggested that I ask this question to you. He thought my problem might be related to some of the other issues that have been going on with the site. Here is what I wrote:

For some reason, I am no longer receiving the weekly digest of updates to the pages that I follow. I used to receive it every Sunday, but I haven't gotten one in the past two weeks, and I'm pretty sure that some of the pages that I follow have been changed by at least bots.

Last time I had this problem, I saw that my e-mail address needed to be reconfirmed. But it doesn't look like that's the problem this time. I checked my preferences, and I still have the check mark next to receiving the digest. --Arwen4CJ Talk 02:17, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

See Senvaikis' Talk Page for more info. He details some of the other problems that he is finding with LW. Thank you. --Arwen4CJ Talk 13:24, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
I don't know of any specific reason that would be going wrong. Part of it might be that the Job Queue is behind. Sorry to bounce you around, but your best bet would probably be to contact Special:Contact to report the bug that you're not getting weekly updates anymore.
Hope that helps ^_^
-Sean Colombo (talk) 14:16, January 21, 2014 (UTC)
No problem. Thank you :) --Arwen4CJ Talk 14:24, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Hello Sean,
Regarding this discussion, I'd like to raise a few questions about, this new widget that you apparently approved not too long ago. I brought these questions to Senv, but he did not answer them, so I was suggested to come right here to the source.

1) Is there a way to disable this widget at all? I was assuming there was a way to disable it in My Preferences or something of that sort, but it doesn't seem like there is, so is there a way to disable it from my wiki interface? I'm not really enjoying having to put up with this widget as it is uncomfortable to have something in the spot where I'm used to seeing the Recent Changes feed, meaning I have to scroll down to view it, which is not exactly on the convenient side.
2) Why is this needed when 9 times out of 10, will just fetch a YouTube video of a song? Isn't this just unnecessary redundancy for pages with YouTube embed? And even when it doesn't fetch from YouTube, it fetches from an iTunes or Amazon preview, which isn't even the full song.
3) Did you get any input from the users/admins here on this widget before implementing it here? From the link that 6 gave me of you announcing it on the CP, it doesn't seem like you did, but I just want to clarify because I never remember having a discussion about it in the portals. It just...appeared one day.

cheers, and thanks in advance Smile XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)00:20, February 18, 2014 (UTC)

In regards to, I think that it would be nice for users to have the option of disabling it in their preferences, if they wish. At times I don't mind it being there, and actually like it, and at other times, I feel like I would like to temporarily disable it. It causes the pages to load slower for me, which causes me to edit slower.
I noticed on the community portal talk page that you guys might be toying with the idea of having replace the youtube videos. As a user on this site, I really would be disappointed if you did that -- and here is why:
I have noticed that the youtube videos that finds are sometimes incorrect. Sometimes they are the wrong song and/or the wrong artist. Sometimes it doesn't find a youtube video when there actually is one (because the title of the youtube video is different from that of the song). These are reasons that I'm glad that we users are able to link youtube videos ourselves. We are able to check the link to make sure it is the right song, and the right artist.
I think can be a nice addition, but I hope that it will never replace any of the user inputed external links. --Arwen4CJ Talk 03:38, February 18, 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure if you were aware of this or not, but doesn't work correctly on a couple different types of song pages -- song pages that have a slash in their titles, and song pages that have a ? in their titles or artist names.
Also, the widget not only displays on song pages, but also on album pages. Is it supposed to do that? Thanks. --Arwen4CJ Talk 23:44, February 22, 2014 (UTC)
For example, if you look at the artist Delirious?
None of the album artwork has displayed on either the artist page or any of the album pages for a couple of days.
I don't know if this has anything to do with or not. Or, maybe it's just because the site has had issues for the past few days, and it is just randomly not displaying the artwork properly.
However, there is an issue with If you visit any of the song pages by this artist, you will find a blank white box where should be. This has been the case with these pages ever since was unleashed on this site. I think it might be because of the question mark in the artist name (which is officially part of the artist name).
The album pages also have the same problem -- displaying a blank white box where appears on album pages by other artists.
Song pages that have slashes in them (under any artist) are displaying the same kind of error -- white boxes where the should be. Until today, song titles with slashes in them used to display a login screen where the links are on other pages. --Arwen4CJ Talk 19:01, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
By the way, I wanted to pop in to say that I messaged Sean on Facebook and he said that he contacted the person in charge of this stuff and is awaiting a response. Just wanted to drop that here so everyone is aware and they don't think that Sean is ignoring this (after all, it's been over a week, so I was having a hunch that assumption was being made). XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)22:03, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the update.  :) It's good to know that Sean has contacted the person in charge of --Arwen4CJ Talk 00:16, February 28, 2014 (UTC)
The error where the widget wouldn't show up, made it's way to my task-list and I submitted a Pull Request that fixes it (example: my dev box - the song isn't available in that case though ;)).
The Pull Request still has to be merged (approved) & then wait for the next release, so that probably won't be live until Wednesday, March 12th at the earliest.
I'll let you know if I hear back from Zach about the other issues.
-Sean Colombo (talk) 21:46, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for tackling this issue, and it's great to hear that it is being fixed.  :) --Arwen4CJ Talk 22:26, March 4, 2014 (UTC)

Undisplayable images

@Arwen: indeed, Delirious? issue definitelly has nothing to do with bop (as well as Therapy?, Why? etc), - that's just a result of symbol "?" in image name, and solution is very simple - avoid using "?" in filename (see Fake? f.e).

Something must have happened because these images always worked fine up until a few days ago. I've been on this site for over a year, and the images for the Delirious? albums never had any problems displaying.
It may very well be that the image problems on the Delirious? page are a separate issue from However, I do know that is not loading the Delrious? pages correctly. It is displaying an empty white box. So there is still an issue with and Delirious?.
You're right that the image problem seems to be separate from the issue. I just checked the Fake? example that you provided, and the song pages display the same problem that Delirious? song pages do in regard to show blank white boxes. I'll check the other artists you listed, but I'm guessing that they will all show the same error.
I checked the other two artist pages (Therapy?, Why?), and they are behaving the same way as Delirious? There are no album images displayed. does not work on any of the song pages, either.
I also looked at the image name for the first Fake? album, since Fake? the images for this artist are displaying. The image to the first album is named Fake? - Breathe In....jpg. So if it's true that question marks can't be in an image file name, then why does this one work? I'm just a bit confused. And why did the other images that have worked for over a year suddenly stop working? --Arwen4CJ Talk 23:57, February 23, 2014 (UTC)
Well, hope now you agree that problems with Delirious images are "question-mark-related" (bop problem on the same page doesn't make image problems bop-related, right?). And yes, you are right - something should have happened, 'cause next to you I may confirm that all these images have used to be displayed without any probs earlier. Then the question is: what has been changed to cause the problem?
Seems that your observation about Fake? - Breathe In....jpg, displayed regardless to "?", may help to narrow the scope of search. I checked all 384 images, containing "?" in their title, and only 12 of them were displayed normally (see Luzbel - ¡¿Otra Vez?!.jpg, Pato Fu - Gol de Quem?.jpg etc). One attribute is common to all these 12 images: size<180x180px.
So the most likely reason imo is some change(fail) in the procedure of thumbnail processing (as you know, thumbnail size is 180x180px). That's why File:Earthlings? - Human Beans 10in.jpg (170x170) is displayed properly, while File:Earthlings? - Human Beans.jpg (500x500) - not.
Btw, I'm pretty sure that blank bop issue has the same nature... --Senvaikis (talk) 09:30, February 24, 2014 (UTC)
Great. Thanks for discovering what the actual issue is. This problem started about the time that the boxes appeared on the site. (I know that the Delirious? pages never have displayed So maybe when that feature was implemented, something about the thumbnails was changed? Or maybe it affected something. Or maybe it was just a coincidence that it happened around the same time.
Or maybe it's some kind of change (or fail) within wikia itself that happened to be at about the same time?
So I guess the question is this -- is this happening in other wikia sites, or just this one? --Arwen4CJ Talk 13:14, February 24, 2014 (UTC)
There's one more possible reason - temporary effect of some more general problems, related to recent site difficulties (freezing server, unuploadable/unupdatable images etc). As always, we have absolutely no info about the nature and possible duration of these difficulties :(.
Anyways, I know for sure only one: either way you'll have certainly less problems, following Lwt's practice and replacing such symbols as "?", "/" or ":" by "-" in filename... ;). cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 13:53, February 24, 2014 (UTC)
True. I've noticed that the site has had problems recently.
It would be a lot of work to replace all the images. Not only that, but seems to go by the name of the page, so all of the pages that have a "?" in the artist name would have to be renamed something that isn't their true name, and then probably wouldn't find the song links anyway. The same would be true of song names that have a "/" in them.
Due to the amount of work that would take, and the fact that it would render all these pages as not being named by their true name....I think I will wait and see if this problem corrects itself first. It might take a long time, as the site difficulties that you've mentioned have been going on for quite some time.
I'll just wait and see what happens. If these problems still persist even after the site difficulties are resolved, then maybe you could send out your bot to rename the files? --Arwen4CJ Talk 14:45, February 24, 2014 (UTC)
Speaking about "?/:" replacement I meant only filenames (they shouldn't necessarily follow lw:pn), - whatever bop might be good (sorry, - haven't seen it yet, thus don't know), I'll never agree to change lw pagenaming policy, adjusting pagetitles to some broken addon. --Senvaikis (talk) 16:22, February 24, 2014 (UTC)
Sigh of relief :) Good, so even if remains broken for these songs, no page names will need to be renamed. Only the image files :) That's easier. And if it is an immediate fix to the image problem, if you want your bot to rename them now, go ahead. --Arwen4CJ Talk 16:37, February 24, 2014 (UTC)
I wanted to let you know that I contacted wikia support about this issue, and they sent me an e-mail back telling me that they are working on a fix for it.  :) --Arwen4CJ Talk 22:31, February 24, 2014 (UTC)
They've fixed the album cover image problem on the Delirious? pages (yay!). However, the boxes still do not display. is showing the login thing again on all song names (by any artist) that have slashes in the title. --Arwen4CJ Talk 14:28, March 1, 2014 (UTC)
FYI: The code for the widget works with "?", "/", "etc." now (I guess technically the widget always worked, but our implementation didn't because I wasn't encoding the parameters properly). Will take a week or so before it goes live though :-/ See above for more info.
-Sean Colombo (talk) 21:46, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
Awesome. Thank you. :) --Arwen4CJ Talk 22:26, March 4, 2014 (UTC)


Hi, Sean

As you know, yet at the very start of GNLF stuff I was slightly concerned (1, 2) about possible problems, caused by all the garbage, accumulated in GN & LF namespace. And the longer I watched UB's activity, (under absolute silence in GNLF-discussion), the stronger became my fears...
Now, looking at the results of this activity, my slight worries are slowly turning into real horror. Just can't believe that's exactly the final result you were striving to reach.
May I ask you to calm down my fears and tell us how all this mess will be fixed?
tia, --Senvaikis (talk) 12:18, February 27, 2014 (UTC)
ÜberBot needs to check whether GN/LF pages actually exist and haven't already been redirected before blindly adding mergeto templates. Right now it's piling up a lot of unnecessary work by creating thousands of GN/LF pages and adding mergetos to pages that were already merged… — 6×9 (Talk) 13:08, March 2, 2014 (UTC)
Senv: will answer more in a sec.
6×9: I thought I fixed the Creation issue last week. Clearly not though, I'll try to do it again right now. Hadn't thought of that "already-merged" issue. Will make it check for that too...
-Sean Colombo (talk) 21:57, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
Just patched it to cover another case that was creating pages & to check for redirects on the "source" page before doing either type of merge. Also, caught one case where we were adding the templates to "dest" pages when we knew the "source" didn't exist (this should minimize the effect of things like what Senv linked to on that Afrojack page.
I'll be back on later tonight & will verify that ÜB isn't accidentally creating pages anymore, and will start to tackle the other issues you guys have helped find. Sorry for the delays! (I actually haven't been getting notification emails, otherwise I wouldn't have waited for Tuesday to roll around to get on this).
-Sean Colombo (talk) 22:17, March 4, 2014 (UTC)
Good, ÜB has run for a bit and hasn't created any new pages during that time. -Sean Colombo (talk) 00:21, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
Hi Senv! Thanks for detecting some of the issues. ÜB has made a bit of a mess, but as far as I know, he shouldn't be creating any more messy instances right now (there might be some in there, I just don't know of them... please ping me if you see more). My general thought is that ÜB will make a pass through which should let us do the vast majority of the merging, and he might leave some cruft behind... but all of the garbage should either be in the GN/LF namespaces, or should be denoted by a category tag (because the templates being added to the main namespace all categorize the pages).
Therefore, I think after the first main pass at merging, while there will be some junk left, it will ALL be easy to find:
  1. Only a handful (couple hundred? couple thousand?) pages would remain in the GN/LF namespaces and since they're the only ones there, we should be able to find them and go through them quickly.
  2. Any mess in the main-namespace would still be categorized & easy to sweep up.
So while this is a very tumultuous and confusing time, I think that the way it's being done makes it so that once the dust settles, every single trace of those Forsaken Namespaces should be able to be swept away :D
Also, I want to apologize for the silence on LyricWiki:GNLF. I totally missed those. If I'm absent for too long, feel free to poke me via email to wake me from the dead ;)
-Sean Colombo (talk) 00:41, March 5, 2014 (UTC)
Just wanted to let you know about the relapse of an old Janitors "equal"-disease. Hope that shouldn't be a mass phenomenon, as well as strange content of some GN-songs. --Senvaikis (talk) 20:29, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

GNLF gracenote_template

There still remain a lot of unanswered questions, but now I just wanted to ask one more: where dammit {{gracenote_takedown}} is hidden on the Coalesce:That's The Way? Page looks like gn-taken page, belongs to C:UL, but seemingly doesn't contain this template. At least I failed to find and remove it in Edit mode. The same mystique was on Clint Black:Desperado until I recreated (deleted/created) it... What I'm mising here? --Senvaikis (talk) 11:56, March 6, 2014 (UTC)

Another such case is referenced on the help desk… and apparently it's a page that was gn-restored (and GN and LF page exists). Funnily enough, its GN page displays the same message… — 6×9 (Talk) 17:34, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
Argh, I think I know what's wrong. Did all of these pop up yesterday? The code solution for taking down pages on the LyricFind "takedown list" is programmatic, but it still injects {{gracenote_takedown}} into the page (so that we could control what shows up). Unfortunately, it seems that even though we inject that pretty late in the rendering, it still categorizes the page. I think the solution is to switch the LyricFind takedowns to use a different template (either "takdown" or "lyricfind_takedown" or something) so that we can still go through the gracenote_takedown pages at our leisure.
It's also worth mentioning: the only reason you're seeing the edit pages for those pages is because you are admins. For non-admins, the edit page should be blocked.
I'll try to get a new template live, quickly.
-Sean Colombo (talk) 19:17, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
Actually, the APC page the other user mentioned, should have been blocked before creation, and I seem to be able to see the edit page when logged out. Maybe not all of my changes went live? -Sean Colombo (talk) 19:19, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
Argh! Yup, the takedown code got merged and went out, but the code to also block the edit pages didn't get merged in time so it won't go out until Wednesday :-/ that's why he could see the create/edit pages and be totally confused.
Right now, I'll try to switch the template to not be {{gracenote_takedown}} when applied automatically. I don't know if they still do instant-fixes, but I'll try to push them on that a bit. -Sean Colombo (talk) 19:28, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
Switched the templates on my devbox and it seems to work fine. The {{lyricfind_takedown}} template will indicate the automatic takedowns. Will try to get these into a Pull Request tonight. -Sean Colombo (talk) 20:05, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
Pull request for the template is here: that would just merge it to the main branch though (so it would go live in 6 days). I'm asking if I can do a Pull Request to put it right in the release branch -Sean Colombo (talk) 21:57, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
Pull request into the release branch... might get this live today -Sean Colombo (talk) 22:18, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
Fix works. Now auto-takedown songs will have the {{lyricfind_takedown}} template on them instead of {{gracenote_takedown}}, so we can actually remove items from gracenote_takedown now without having to guess if it was a real takedown. This will still be a little confusing to people who try to create or edit a page that's actually taken-down, but that confusion will hopefully go away on Wednesday with the next release which will put a similar message on the create and edit pages.
Does it all look relatively sane now?
-Sean Colombo (talk) 22:36, March 6, 2014 (UTC)
Thx for the fix, now on to the next bug :-) All 17 songs currently in Category:Unlicensed Lyrics/LF have mergeto/LF templates, so… apparently LF's data consistency hasn't improved. Only thing I've noticed across all 17 pages is that LF pagenames vary slightly (or not-so-slightly): case, w/ or w/out "The", etc.
Also, it seems like UserBot is still creating LF pages (or re-creating deleted ones). Is it supposed to do that? — 6×9 (Talk) 17:44, March 10, 2014 (UTC)
For the first issue: The merge is just being done to ALL pages. Therefore, I'd expect there to be merge templates on ALL of the pages that end up on the LF takedown list. They're still worth merging, since they could come off of the takedown list at any time (if LF can get licenses for them).
I only see 1 page that ÜB has created since last week (in the main namespace) but presumably it was because someone has since deleted the bad creations. Where were the pages created that shouldn't have been... were they all in the main namespace?
-Sean Colombo (talk) 14:14, March 11, 2014 (UTC)
  1. What I meant was, the main-ns pages are taken down as unlicensed, even though LF pages exist (but only with pagename variations). So… did LF manage to license them, but forget to update the takedown list, or did they lose the license, and our LF page(s) wasn't removed for whatever reason? If it's the former, is there a procedure by which we can (ask to) restore the takendown pages?
  2. UserBot, not ÜberBot (the Bot who isn't actually a User). Its contribs are empty (since it's not a user) and they don't show in Special:NewPages, but here's one such recently created page. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:57, March 16, 2014 (UTC)
*bump* UserBot is still at it… — 6×9 (Talk) 12:27, March 26, 2014 (UTC)
  1. Oh, I see what you mean. The code that enforces takedowns only runs on the main namespace. The takedowns were very poorly enforced on the LF namespace before I was tasked with writing the code for the main-namespace, so it's safe to assume that the main namespace is right. If there are lyrics in the LF page, they're still worth stuffing into the main ns because they might come off of the takedown list, so it'd be nice to have the lyrics already waiting there (normally we'll just get a ping when they come off the takedown list... no actual lyrics) so that when we "unblock" that page, they'll show up.
  2. UserBot? Wtf is that? I'll investigate a bit...
-Sean Colombo (talk) 03:01, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
No mention of UserBot in the code (strangely), but there might be a script buried somewhere that's causing this. I started asking around. -Sean Colombo (talk) 03:12, April 9, 2014 (UTC)
Nobody seemed to know what script was doing this. UserBot doesn't have any Special:Contributions/UserBot contributions anymore, it seems (assuming that page can successfully show its contributions). For now, I'll assume that whatever rogue script was running, is finally dead.
-Sean Colombo (talk) 16:25, May 8, 2014 (UTC)
(outdent) UserBot never had any Contributions (see my 2. above); it's not a regular user account. It's as weird as the whole LF namespace - Category:LyricFind Lyrics appears empty, but heads Special:WantedCategories.
Whatever this script is, it's still running though: this page was just created a few hours ago. — 6×9 (Talk) 11:33, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
Another one from yesterday. Or should I contact wikia support about this? — 6×9 (Talk) 17:37, June 11, 2014 (UTC)
Oddly enough, while its contributions appear empty, it does have deleted contributions. How does that even work…?
Oh, and API does show regular contribs. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:46, June 11, 2014 (UTC)

Yet Another Issue

The previous errors have all been fixed  :) All songs that I edit now have the box displaying properly.

There is a new issue, though. I've noticed that not many songs are available anymore on I don't know whether this is a copyright issue, and the sites that uses had to take down a bunch of songs, or if something else caused this. I noticed this yesterday, and maybe the day before. This happened with songs that were available before. --Arwen4CJ Talk 21:59, March 14, 2014 (UTC)

My fault. Committed fix & asked for it to be released tomorrow. Thanks for poking me!-Sean Colombo (talk) 02:30, March 19, 2014 (UTC)
It must not have been released yesterday, because it still looks the same. --Arwen4CJ Talk 13:05, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
I noticed that the current problem (where it says that a song isn't available on when it really is) seems to be strongly correlated with the number of words in the song title. If the song title is just one word long, then has no problem showing that the song is available. If the title is more than one word long, then occasionally it will say it is available, but most of the time it will say that the song is unavailable.
I don't know if this is the fix that you already did or not. If it is, then it still hasn't been released (and all we have to do is wait). If it isn't, then there is still a problem :( --Arwen4CJ Talk 21:51, March 22, 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, they still didn't release it :( will go out automatically with the release on Wednesday if they don't push before then. Sorry for the delay :( -Sean Colombo (talk) 17:52, March 24, 2014 (UTC)
Btw, this went out with the release Wednesday -Sean Colombo (talk) 00:23, April 2, 2014 (UTC)
I figured :) Thanks. seems to be working fine. I'll let you know if I notice anything else. --Arwen4CJ Talk 12:29, April 2, 2014 (UTC)

ÜberBot SOTD messages

Hi, I've noticed that when a Song of the Day that was nominated by an IP is selected, ÜberBot, instead of posting a message on their talk page directly, posts it at a 'User talk:Special:Contributions/' sub-page. Just thought I should let you know, as it doesn't seem like correct behaviour. Examples: 1, 2, 3, 4.

Thanks, OneTwoThreeFall talk 15:35, April 16, 2014 (UTC)

And another thing - ÜberBot seems to add SOTD badges to redirect pages, rather then follow the redirect, as it did here and here. - OneTwoThreeFall talk 14:39, April 20, 2014 (UTC)



I can not save a page because the spam filter. I am sure I only entered text, but I couldn't save it. The page is from a band called Bengala. This is how I want to save it.


Hi, it looks like you were able to save it in the end. The only difference between what you'd pasted and what's there now was one capitalization difference (which is actually better now).
-Sean Colombo (talk) 04:05, August 18, 2014 (UTC)


So, are we aloud to create a page to any song? (talk) 23:38, September 6, 2014 (UTC)

Yup, any song that's published. If the site isn't allowed to have that song for licensing reasons, it will tell you when you try to make the page.
-Sean Colombo (talk) 15:14, October 13, 2014 (UTC)

Remaining Gracenote protected pages

Hi Sean, I brought up an issue on Senvs talk page about some remaining song pages (see: Category:Unlicensed_Lyrics/LF), which are still Gracenote protected, although the status page of the ongoing merge mentions that "2. Unlock the GN and LF namespaces" is already done. Can you elaborate on the status of it, get those pages also unprotected, were they just forgotten or are they special?

Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 20:41, September 10, 2014 (UTC)

Hi, yeah those don't need to be there. Because they were songs that we're not allowed to have, the bots had individually protected those pages. Unprotecting them would have to be done one-at-a-time.
The new system for "Unlicensed Lyrics" is automatic (it's in the code) so we don't need protected pages. All of the songs in that category can be safely deleted. I'll see if I can nuke most of them. It probably would take longer to write a bot to kill 'em.
Thanks for finding these & thanks for the help with the merge!!
-Sean Colombo (talk) 15:28, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
Errr, wait... the pages in that category are in the main namespace. That's the category that's automatically protected by software and is not part of the GN/LF namespace.
So I guess the problem is that some of those pages have merge templates on them? That's tricky. I'll clean up the ones I see... but I think we'll still need admins to delete them because the Unlicensed Lyrics things have to be Protected.
-Sean Colombo (talk) 15:39, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
Started going through those manually to get rid of any that needed merges. Going alphabetically, I got through "I" so far. -Sean Colombo (talk) 16:52, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your work Sean! So does that mean there will still be some lyrics, which can't be displayed due to licensing? I thought the LyricWikia got rid of any licensing agreements. I really would like to be able to see & edit those lyrics :) Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 20:20, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
All done! Unfortunately, there will still be lyrics that can't be displayed. We didn't get rid of the licensing... it's just that the licensing no longer requires us to have their typo-ridden duplicates all over: we can merge them into the main namespace and get rid of those duplicates. Since the takedowns are done using an API now, there fortunately won't be as many on the list (a bunch were just stale songs that we hadn't gotten an update for, yet... now as soon as the middlemen get licenses, we should be able to show the song).
-Sean Colombo (talk) 22:59, October 13, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation! That sure sounds like a big improvement at least. Let's hope for the middlemen :)
Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 08:51, October 14, 2014 (UTC)


Hey Sean,
not sure if you're stil taking care of Janitor or if that is someone else's job now… but a while ago we decided to rework the {{split}} template and put it below the OS header for more visibility, and it seems J. isn't quite prepared to deal with that (example). Any chance you could teach it a new trick? — 6×9 (Talk) 12:51, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's still running on my servers. I'll take a look at it soon. Thanks!
-Sean Colombo (talk) 19:57, November 23, 2014 (UTC)
*bump* Still misbehaving. Any chance of fixing this? Thx! — 6×9 (Talk) 14:52, May 13, 2015 (UTC)

Point of being a wiki

Hi. Something I have never understood is how LyricWikia is a wiki (as in the process of collaboration with protected lyrics). Could you explain the process of how this is a wiki and how edits are submitted? Thanks Superdadsuper

Hi Superdadsuper!
There is no official source of accurate lyrics, so many sites depend on offshore-labor to transcribe (poorly) the lyrics... here we depend on fans (who can even get them from official websites or liner-notes in an album in the rare cases where those are still available). Many songs are just transcribed by fans listening to them.
If you'd like to edit a page, click the blue "Edit" button near the title of the page and you'll be able to edit immediately! There are no longer any "protected" lyrics (which were often wrong anyway), that was only a temporary thing due to some older, strange licensing issues. Happy editing!
-Sean Colombo (talk) 23:54, August 18, 2015 (UTC)


Hello, I'm new here and its good to meet you! I know that your busy (jut by looking at your profile) but I hope to see you around sometime! --LukeWarp (talk) 20:29, February 26, 2017 (UTC)

Hi there! I'm rarely on here anymore now that the community has grown so large that it has a life of it's own... but regardless: Welcome! :D
-Sean Colombo (talk) 16:33, February 28, 2017 (UTC)
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