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I removed the index since it doesn't actually affect anything because all songs in that particular category begin with the letter L  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 03:26, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I was about to write the same thing here yesterday, but then I noticed that CatAZ might be useful anyway, for the "Top" link on the far left. -- 6x9 (Talk) 03:36, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you 6x9 and yes you are right, there is some merit in keeping it...(after all Apologies Dah31! I have reverted my edit.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 03:52, 30 November 2008 (UTC)


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Dah31, I hereby present you with this Gold Record for creating a much needed template! Thanks!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 20:48, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

End of line punctuation

Perhaps a clarification: "Lyrics should follow the artist's format, but if this is not known, capitalize the first letter of each line and use minimal end-of-line punctuation." This applies to a new page being created. Hopefully, when a page is created, the user is using some sort of reference, such as lyrics included with the album. Following the punctuation given is best. If there are no liner lyrics available ("the artist's format"), then one should use minimal end-of-line punctuation. This means punctuation where necessary for clarity, etc. If someone comes by later and has a reference for punctuation (liner lyrics, song book, artist website lyrics, etc.), then they can be inserted. The intention of the instructions isn't for punctuation to be removed if it already exists, though. If one is using some reference, and the punctuation differs, then certainly edits can be made. I'll try to add some information to the Help page to make these distinctions a bit clearer without making the instructions cumbersome.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   00:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. I believe I've only been doing this on Beatles song pages. As far as I know, The Beatles only included lyrics with 2½ albums: Sgt. Pepper…, The Beatles (aka The White Album), and Side 1 of Magical Mystery Tour. I did not check those for punctuation when I did "… Mr. Kite!", "Blue Jay Way", and "Magical Mystery Tour", among others, so I will go back and check those against the lyrics included with the albums. I will put a note in the edit history that they match the published lyrics, then edit further to match the recordings. And maybe for sense. For example, the back cover from Sgt. Pepper… says, for "… Mr. Kite!" (centre of picture):
Late of Pablo Fanques Fair—what a scene
As Mr. Kite flys through the ring don't be late
Messrs. K and H. assure the public
. By the standards of normal English, those should be "Fanque's", "flies", and "K.". There needs to be punctuation between "ring" and "don't"; whether to use a comma or a semicolon depends on whether you parse that line as a sentence or as a continuation of the sentence begun in the previous line (as I've always heard it). However, given the pause in the sung words, I'm inclined to put a line break there (which, conveniently, defers the question of parsing to the listener).
But that's not really your point, which I understand as "The guideline isn't rigid. Don't change stuff for the sake of it, especially since a previous user might have had a reliable source".

Hopefully, when a page is created, the user is using some sort of reference, such as lyrics included with the album.

Most of them came from ÜberBot, though, scraped from… somewhere. Regardless of who put them here, though, without a reference, it's difficult for J. Random User to come along and know what the provenance is.
Perhaps an extension to the {{Cert}} template, to certify a specific revision as matching the lyrics included with the album, a specific recording, or whatever. Or sections, like ==Published lyrics== and ==Recorded lyrics== or something. Or subpages for different renderings of the same recording.
But I agree with your gist, that of artistic integrity. The difficulty comes when we try to balance that with
  • The lyrics should always be as sung on the recording, even if these differ from the "official" lyrics or those published in the liner notes.
. Peace,—Dah31 05:18, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Re: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)

What's the story on those spoken parts at the beginning and the end? I know that you are being very careful with your edits, and my version of the song on CD doesn't have those, so I'm curious what I'm missing out on. (And I'm listening very...very...very carefully. I think I may have heard something like "Paul is a Dead Parrot" on the 23rd listening, but I may be slightly losing it....)  :-]    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   03:21, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, those are quite hard to make out. I took them from What Goes On - The Beatles Anomaly List, but only the ones I can hear and deem plausible. I can't hear the "faint 'Ser-geant Pep-per's BAND!'" they mention, so I didn't include it.  :-) When they say "OOPS", that means "out-of-phase stereo" and refers to subtracting one stereo channel from the other. I do it with Audacity. But on this track in particular, they're still hard to hear. Peace and love!—Dah31 04:04, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Interesting..:-) Яєdxx Actions Words 09:04, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm. I a l m o s t hear the "pussycat" part a couple of times, but the other stuff is seriously inaudible to me. Even the enhanced audio linked to are basically useless. I thought I heard "footsteps", for instance.
Hrmmmmmmmm. I'm not sure what to do with these sections. I like the info. As I said earlier, I know that you are trying to be as complete and careful as possible with all the Beatles pages, and I am definitely a person who appreciates all that research and work. Those parts really aren't audible though, so I'm not sure they're appropriately added into the main lyrics section, as they might cause more confusion than is necessary. I'm willing to bet that someone in the future will come along, see those parts, and delete them because like me, they can't hear those parts.
I see (at the moment, anyway) two possible solutions. One: make a "Hidden Audio" section below the lyrics telling about those sections, with a link to the site that you gave above. Two (if the added audio is significant enough or is hard to otherwise describe placement): have a second lyrics section below the first with a "Hidden Audio" header (also with a link, I think). The second solution messes a bit with the API, I believe, but the main lyrics section will still be visible, even if the "Hidden Audio" section isn't, so I think it's okay. Thoughts?    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   21:30, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
I think in this particular instance the second solution. I'm sure many will enjoy trying to decipher the inaudible parts and want to know what they are supposed to be hearing. Though whether they will ever get to hear it without obtaining that program is debatable.  Яєdxx Actions Words 00:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I've made a first attempt. (This completely-hiddenness fortunately doesn't apply to many songs. In most cases, you'd hear _something_ (like "Hey Jude" at 2m58s), even if you can't make out the exact words without looking it up.) Actually, I've half a mind to take that first hidden bit out of the "Pepper (Reprise)" article. Actually actually, I've just done it. I think the note is sufficient (especially since the words are indistinct even after "enhancement").—Dah31 02:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


A song collaboration Baddiel & Skinner & Lightning Seeds:Three Lions does not lead to an artist collab page. --ES (talk) 07:44, July 14, 2018 (UTC)

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