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  • I live in Aachen, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
  • I was born on October 14
  • My occupation is Software Developer
  • I am male

Awesome, thanks!

I honestly didn't expect The Unraveling to be Album of the Week, but you made it happen! Thanks, that made my day when I saw that! MilesPrower32 03:02, April 19, 2011 (UTC)

SOTD March 05, 2011

Hi Chris! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Fatboy Slim:Brimful Of Asha (Norman Cook Remix) has won Song of the Day for March 05, 2011!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 08:00, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Need German help please!

My German is really rough and working this out is beyond me ... please help!

In Extremo:Herzensglut (2007) isn't linked to the artist page and Google doesn't turn up much. The album doesn't show in any discography that I can see for In Extremo. I found this but my German isn't anywhere near good enough to figure out what they're talking about. It seems that at least one person thinks it's a fake ("dann glaub ich, dass das ein Fake ist"), but I can't work out what the person after that says. If it is a fake, do they know who it really is? Please Eeepy 08:11, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Nothing conclusive there, I'm afraid; just speculation and theorising, though the general consensus is that it's probably fake. One line of argument is that Subway to Sally had just released a song called Herzensglut, so IE wouldn't release an album with the same title… BTW, have you noticed the link in the very first post? ;-)
I was about to suggest asking hfs, who created the album page, but (s)he probably just copied the tracklist from the artist page. (The IP who created the song pages also added the tracklist.) None of the lyrics appear to be new either; those I checcked on Google are traditional songs. I'd say delete the whole bunch… or is one of the songs real? — 6×9 (Talk) 08:41, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
Not listed. - Chris 15:02, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
Forum quote from a band member:
"Hallo und Guten Morgen allerseits! Wir schreiben zwar gerade neue Songs aber ein "Herzensglut" wird definitiv nicht dabei sein. Eine neue CD werden wir auch erst 2008 veröffentlichen. Ich hoffe ich konnte das Rätsel halbwegs lösen... Viele Grüße von Lutter"
"Hi and good morning everyone! Thus we're currently writing new songs, there is definitely no one amongst them that'll be called "Herzensglut". A new CD won't be released before 2008, too. I hope I could solve the confusion... Greetings from Lutter"
Let's delete this album, it's the result of a mistake. - Chris 15:09, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
Thank you, both of you, for the help. I can't find any of the songs on that album linked to any other page by In Extremo, so I think they're all garbage. I'd be more inclined to just redirect the album and songs to Unknown Artist and then they won't reappear if User:Lwt decides to readd them or some bright spark decides they've found a "new" song. What do you think?
What really annoys me about this album is that usually I can find something like this credited to some other band, but I can't even figure out where the track list comes from.
Yes, I did notice the link in the first post and I clicked on it to see if it redirected (it did) - when lyricwiki was still a .org Smile
I'm starting to suspect that 6×9 is a cyborg who can speak/read any language. Wink Eeepy 23:59, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
I can read any language that's in a Latin-based alphabet… understanding is a different matter ;-) I'm only fluent in German and English, I'm afraid. — 6×9 (Talk) 08:49, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
Ditto. - Chris 15:22, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
@Eeepy: considering theoretical Lwt's inability to add any album or song, having no reference to mb, amz, iT or dog, I'm just curious - can you point me at least one such garbagging example? --Senvaikis (talk) 15:51, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
@Sen: I'm not saying Lwt makes up crap: my understanding was that Lwt trawls for lyrics on other sites and adds them. Therefore, the problem (as I understand it) is not Lwt, it's people in Internetland who make up junk. That was my understanding of why we redirect pages rather than delete them. If that's not how it works, then just ignore me. Eeepy 00:16, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
ÜberBot by Sean Colombo
Crawls a bunch of lyrics sites for lyrics that haven't been added to LyricWiki
Tries to find lyrics for requested pages
Handles SOTD tasks
Lwt by Senvaikis (also runs under his account)
Tidies up pages (format lyrics, determine language, fix template parameters)
Added/still adds or enhances parameters for most external links
Performs a wide range of different serial edits
→ Most powerful edit tool around
Not a bot but a semi-automatic program; we call that "cyborg"
Janitor by teknomunk / Sean Colombo
Adds orphaned pages to the artists' "Other songs" sections
Takes down existing pages that are not licensed
Creates the pages where unlicensed lyrics could be located
Protects the pages
Restores pages that have been taken down but are licensed now
Performed a small range of serial edits with Greasemonkey scripts
Not a bot but supported by semi-automatic scripts
Firefox/Greasemonkey combination as a kind of cyborg tool
There you go, I had no idea what I was talking about Tongue. ÜberBot is the dude I meant! Smile Thanks for that Chris, really good collection of info.
So after all that, what does that mean for the fake album for In Extremo that started this? Delete or redirect? I can't delete so it's up to you guys. Eeepy 08:03, March 15, 2011 (UTC)

I'd delete it. What you think, Senv, 6? - Chris 23:12, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
Deletion. If ÜmlautBöt re-adds them later, we can still redirect/move to Unknown Artist. — 6×9 (Talk) 05:22, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Agree--Senvaikis (talk) 07:19, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
Green check Done by Chris 18:57, March 16, 2011 (UTC)


Hi Chris!

What's that? To me it looks like spam!


MfG, --Ignor-the-ant 14:02, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, no, this is no spam, it's a song (Googled the last line). However, I can't figure out its name, so I'll delete it with the reason "bad pagename". - Chris 16:00, April 4, 2011 (UTC)

Cant wait

i just read your blog and i'm very curious to know what your cookin up? Prenticejl 03:33, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Prenticejl,
First of all, it is awesome someone actually reads my blogposts to see what the admins and especially I are/am working on here at LyricWiki. Hihi
The project was released the day before yesterday: it's my (first) extension Special:SOTD, a monster-PHP page to add, edit and manage nominations for our Song of the Day. I've been working on it for two months now and I'm so excited it actually works! 14 nominations were submitted so far, and I hope for many more. So if you have a favourite song that hasn't been SOTD yet, feel free to nominate it, I'm happy about every new nomination! Thanks for your interest, you motivate me to blog a bit more and finally do all my other projects I mentioned in the "Work delays" post. Yeah - Chris 03:50, April 10, 2011 (UTC)

New SOTD page

Love the new SOTD! It's a lot easier than the old one - great work! Grin Eeepy 09:02, April 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yay, thanks a lot Yeah. It's pretty successful, too! In a few days more nominations than I need for April. Hopefully it remains so attractive! Smile - Chris 10:28, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, it's much more wonderful. Thank you. Lyricserver 17:08, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! Proud - Chris 22:53, April 16, 2011 (UTC)

Lyricserver's input on star colors/rankings

Hi. I know you're busy but I just wanted to give you some of my input as to the page rankings as they are now. My favorite thing to do here on LyricWiki is to go to a random song on my random mp3 list and gather the lyrics here on LW and save them to my compy for future reference.

This in mind, I also like to correct lyrics (certify) and add the additional info found via main Wikipedia on the song page there and transfer the info to the song page here (add credits section, add youtube video, etc...). It's a benefit for me because now I would have the lyrics to my song & it's a benefit for LW because I add more info and increase the song's rankings.

I, however, do not like to "watch". I have other things to do besides watch & babysit song pages. I don't mind certifying them, that's for sure. I have to do that anyway, but to "watch/follow" a song page, well that's different. And there's my dilemma.

You see, I may certify a song, add the ((WP-Song)) link to it, add the ((Youtube embed)) link, put the ((cover/cover2)) & all the other song badges, add the Credits section and complete the ((Star Box)) list so it's all done, the most ranking the song can have is a StarIconBronze Bronze. All it would need is a "watcher" to make it a StarIconGold Gold. Bronze to Gold for just one criteria is a bit much, in my opinion, but that's what I've been doing so far. It's kind of disappointing to see all that hard work amount to a little reward.

I know you and the other admins have been talking about the page rankings. I personally like the inclusion of the unverified vs. certified ranking, but I don't know much about the implementation of it. And I just wanted you (all admins) about how I feel about the "watching" situation. I also know I'm just one person, but sometimes that's just enough. :)

Once again, thank you Chris for all the things you've accomplished as well as Senvaikis, 6x9 & all the other admins. All your hard work on this site shows.
/soapbox :)
Lyricserver 07:12, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hey Lyricserver,
thanks for your input. I already posted the message on the Administrators Portal. I know that watching-problem, too. I do not like to watch pages, either, so they are stuck at Bronze. I don't know, I'd usually say we could introduce some parameter or template to mark these songs that are just missing a watcher for the upgrade to gold. But I don't think that'll do much about the problem, because those who are watching now are already those who look into "Category:Bronze ...", and those who did not watch by now won't do it then. I also think a user cannot really "watch" more than 200 pages, they are changed too often for that. For our size, it'd need hundreds of watching users...
I wrote this post over a very long time, and I personally have a really weird idea: A special page where you can add songs to some kind of "passive watchlist". You add the pages there and every time you visit that special page again you are identified by your username and the changed pages are shown and you can visit them. You have to actively visit that page and won't be notified, so your real watchlist isn't cluttered up like it was with the usual watch-feature. Might as well be a useful extension for other projects. - Chris 16:22, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Japanese songs

A few of your edits in the past mistakenly marked some fLetter=Symbol songs as fLetter=Japanese, such as Wonderwall:(One More) Song For You. See Category:Songs Japanese. There are also some other songs that don't belong in that category, as well (but do belong in Category:Language/Japanese). --Geopgeop 00:28, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Oh thanks a lot, I'll check the categories. Okay, just as explanation: the edit was performed by a combination of two independent scripts. One was TouchFix, the other was a script to fix the fLetter=Symbol problem for non-latin-based scripts. Look here to see what I mean. The latter mentioned script has different modes of fixes: A) replace "Symbol" with the first letter, B) replace "Symbol" with a predefined word. I usually enable that script when I fix the category and disable it again afterwards. Seems as if it remained enabled after one session. Thanks again, I'll look after it. All the fLetter categories need a check anyway. - Chris 00:46, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
By the way, I just whipped up a TOC template using gojūon order for Category:Songs Japanese (and maybe Category:Language/Japanese), sitting ready at User:Geopgeop/Template:CatHiragana. This would probably help in navigating through those categories better. Would making this into a real template and having it put in those categories be ok? Or is there still some editing needed, like including katakana as well? Maybe a better template name, like Template:CatKana? Eventually, in actual song pages, for example, I'd like to see something like {{DEFAULTSORT:ひかり}} or hiraganaSong=ひかり in the SongFooter for the entry 宇多田ヒカル (Hikaru Utada):光 (Hikari). --Geopgeop 11:34, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
I added the template, it was only missing the category which I included. See, I don't know much about Japanese, so I cannot judge at all which enhancements are necessary to make the category usable. If you want to make a template for Katakana, name it CatKatakana, so everyone knows what it is for. We could then make a third, combined template to show both. But it is absolutely sensible to split both scripts into two different templates to keep them independent. About hiraganaSong - I don't know if it is a good idea to introduce even more parameters in SongFooter. It already is a really mighty and complex code (of course, as we are pressing all languages of the whole world into one template. IMO it slowly becomes evident that this was a bad idea, it should be split up into the external links core and do the rest by subtemplates like {{ArtistHeader}} does...)
So first I don't know whether adding even more parameters to fill in is good for the template and the users that have to work with it. Secondly, does really everybody know how to break down 光 into ひかり? I see that this is just splitting the letter/word/sign/graph(?) into the spoken syllables an then use the letters for the syllables, and it seems basic, but does everybody know how to? Is it maybe even ascertainable by romanizedSong? - Chris 14:53, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

The problem with using romanizedSong is that there is more than one way to romanize a reading. 東京 has only one hiragana reading, とうきょう, but can be romanized as Tokyo (normal), but also as Tohkyoh, Toukyou, Tōkyō (with the macrons), Tookyoo, etc. We can remove the ambiguity by sorting by hiragana instead of romanization for Japanese songs.

I think this discussion should be brought up with the LyricWiki:Japan group. --Geopgeop 02:52, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Beginner's Guide

As reply to User_blog:L78lancer/Learning And Understanding Wikia Formatting

That's actually a pretty cool idea. Not sure where I'd start, but I'm game.

L78lancer 22:02, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

I'd suggest we first start to collect links to all help pages except for the template documentations, because the latter ones are always visible on the template pages, whereas all other helppages are cluttered between several namespaces and in different link-collections. I'm sure we won't include parts of them all later, but I'm thinking about a new help system, so I'll reuse that collection later. I started here in my storage. - Chris 01:54, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

SOTD April 25, 2011

Hi Chris! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of The Chemical Brothers:Hey Boy Hey Girl has won Song of the Day for April 25, 2011!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 07:00, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Our buddy the Janitor

I remembered that there is a "-v" flag that turns Janitor to verbose mode... it quickly became apparent that he was getting "hookaborted" on Control Machete due to some strange encoding. Just removed the weird encoding for now. If/when he gets jammed up again, there are some modifications I can make which can make him handle hookaborts better (ie: not get frozen by them).

He's running right now, and seems to be tearing through numerous songs (because someone went through and cleared out a bunch of hard songs from Special:LonelyPages :D ... thanks!).

So, fortunately, he's back in action. Haven't tested anything for fixing ArtistInfo or following redirects, but at least he's getting something done.

Thanks for the help,
-Sean Colombo 04:03, May 1, 2011 (UTC)


Hi Chris

I've seen that on many pages youtube was changed to youtube embed. So what's the difference between {{youtube}} and {{youtube embed}} ?

--Ignor-the-ant 00:34, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

{{youtube}} is just a shortcut (aka redirect) to {{youtube embed}}, the latter is the "real" template. — 6×9 (Talk) 05:19, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thanx! --Ignor-the-ant 14:31, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks 6! In addition to that it might be interesting that the youtube-parameter for the {{SongFooter}} is obsolete if {{youtube embed}} is on the page, it sets the parameter automatically. We should mark the parameter deprecated for the new version of {{SongFooter}} (if the new one is ever introduced, maybe as partial template (see some section above)). - Chris 21:47, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
@Chris: are you shure we should mark the (sf)parameter deprecated? I'm not. There are some situations, when current eu2b version looks ridiculous or even ugly.
Say, I want to let you hear and enjoy a marvelous Powder of Parov Stelar. But eu2b window doesn't fit into small lyrics box; moreover, it doesn't contain any real video, - just a static album cover image. So my intention to reduce this eu2b window to "only-audio-control" was natural. But such video-part hiding, as you understand, is far from being the best solution: it's zoom-dependant and, what's even worse - its volume control becomes unavailable then.
Resume: while eu2be doesn't have a real, controllable "audio-mode", sf.u2b deprecating would be precipitate, imo.
--Senvaikis (talk) 13:08, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
I see no serious reason to include the code and confuse users with 2 YouTube parameters, as the yt-link in SF is filled in automatically by {{youtube}}. The page you linked to is a good example, too. Currently, the param is empty, so no link is displayed. As soon as it gets removed from the page, {{youtube}} template forwards its ID to the SF. But actually the link is completely obsolete when the player is present, because it includes the same functionality as the link (in case you did not find that out already: right click on the player -> "Watch on YouTube"; for videos you can also simply double-click on the "movie area"). - Chris 16:32, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
Um, right-click is all fine for Senv and you and me, but for the vast majority of users the right-click menu is disabled… — 6×9 (Talk) 18:14, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
Is it? I thought the script applies to the default c-menu, not for the Flash rendered one. Mind that it only looks like a usual context menu but in fact is rooted in the embedded object. It works for me in IE, Opera, Safari, Chrome and of course for my loved Firefox Grin (they also have right-click enabled as soon as I'm logged in). In IE 9, the margin is too big and the SOTD template is transparent. But we need to rework the whole CSS anyway, because besides the fact that we have 5 official css pages of which only two are in use, our CSS contains lots of deprecated and duplicated code for old skins. We should also start to use classes like .badge for the width, the colours, the border, the margin Wink, or other templates and put the CSS into the CSS pages. And while we're editing the templates, we could start to give unique HTML elements IDs (like a div surrounding the SongFooter).
I already did that for the main page, each section has its own ID, so you could add code to your stylesheet to hide certain areas like "view mainpage in" etc. And finally, we have to use the noprint class more often to make the printing results prettier. Still on my todo list. - Chris 18:47, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict: as always, - two your posts while I was typing my own... :)) Ok, Chris, that's not the first time I suspect you don't 'listen' what I'm speaking about ;). Once more: deprecating makes eu2b player the one and only possible way of linking to u2b. It wouldn't be bad if player had a managable "audio-mode" - minimized audio-track player control. While such mode is unavailable, we have only two choices for such cases as mentioned above: a) embed full-sized video, uglifying small lyrics boxes; or b) use pseudo-audio mode without volume control. I prefer the latter, though it's not perfect too, imo. That's why I expected to hear your opinion about that, not about redundancy of yt parameters or about existence of eu2b context menu yes, I knew about it ;). --Senvaikis (talk) 19:19, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry Senv! I referred to this: Quote by Senvaikis: "are you shure we should mark the (sf)parameter deprecated? I'm not. There are some situations, when current eu2b version looks ridiculous or even ugly."
But I think I now got what you meant: if we remove it, there's no way to make SF display the link without having one of both modes on the page, although there are situations when both players do not fit.
About the small lyrics-box: maybe you want to read this or look here for the approach that I've been coming up with, obviously only half a week before 6 had the same idea. =)
About the player versions: I really don't mind seeing only one cover image while I'm listening to the song. And if it bothered my I could not use the link either, hence from my POV there's no problem with making also non-music videos visible. About the audio only mode: I rarely use the volume setting at YouTube, so I never missed it; usually, when you're listening to music, you do not have other music enabled, so you can use your system volume.
Btw, I did not know that the audio-mode is just a resized video. And although it's zoom dependant, I'd like to say that it was a brilliant idea. I'll test some things that come across my mind to fix the zoom dependance. Maybe I am lucky =) - Chris 23:38, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
If I understand Chris correctly, it's not the link that will go away, just the parameter – sf link would be created automatically via variable try saying that out loud :-).
About hiding/resizing: couldn't we just use css :hover to show the full-size video, even in audio-only mode, when the user points his mouse at it? — 6×9 (Talk) 05:07, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
About Barbra: yes, I've seen that discussion and must say that now she looks much better :). Btw, let me ask one more not wholly off-topic question: would it be possible to make a template for such "embedded goear" player, but without using user.js? I tried to make one, but didn't succeed :).--Senvaikis (talk) 11:58, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
I also tried to, and I don't think That we can make a template unless we enable object and embed tags (which is not a very good idea), make an extension like for youtube (which is at least difficult) or insert your code into MediaWiki:Wikia.js if that is possible. But to be honest, I wonder: do you really think it's such a good idea to include it? The external goear player is ugly as hell and doesn't fit very well to the clear layout LW has. Blush We might use local.swf and add the "Powered by" linked picture on our own after asking GoEar to do so. But I still think the player is way too space consuming for an audio-only player... - Chris 09:08, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
That's exactly what I'd like to have as an option actually - just a little custom "play/stop" controls, taking practically no space on the page, - for both goear & u2b, if that would be possible. ...I knew it was and will remain some kind of fix-idea :). --Senvaikis (talk) 10:17, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Album Art


Could someone please explain to DiamondStarHalo,how to ad Album Arts? I'm not good in explaining. ;-)

--Ignor-the-ant 04:24, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, I tried to explain it. - Chris 05:43, May 14, 2011 (UTC)


Hi, me again!

I'm just checking the Star:Violet Category, changing the songs, where the accents were fixed, to Star:Bronze. (Scheißarbeit! ;-) ) Then I wanted to add a {{Accent}} flag to the ones, where it wasn't done. But all I get is the following information:

Der Text, die du speichern willst, wurde vom Spamschutzfilter blockiert. 
Das liegt wahrscheinlich an einem Link auf eine externe Seite.
Der folgende Text wurde vom Spamfilter gefunden:

What can I do? --Ignor-the-ant 00:49, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

I know that problem, the question-mark character is blocked by the spamfilter. We'll have to wait for 6 to fix that. I tried to add it to the whitelist some weeks (months?) ago but it obviously didn't work.
About the mark them fixed thingy: I've had a script for that. I don't know if it'd still work. It's actually a pity that I apparently hardly have any time to do what I want although atm I have as much spare time as I'll never have again until I'm retiree.
I want to make myself a homepage and offer my GreaseMonkey scripts for LyricWiki as download. But I don't have the time to make me a homepage, and after that I'd still have to re-check and tidy up all my GM scripts for LyricWiki (that is 40 or so) to make them work with Wikia and the current skin Sigh. Some of them are also very hard to use, others could be shortened a lot if I included my "easy access function" library script and/or made some new function libraries for commonly used functions such as "FirstLetterUppercase" or "PageExists". But I see I really have to get at it, OR I have to implement my own cyborg tool! Maybe Senv can help me now that I'm also programming in .NET. Would be definitely cool!
But B2T, I'd ask 6 to fix that, he's far more experience in spam filter issue handling than I am. So all we have to do is wait, he usually even reads my page before I do. Wink - Chris 04:12, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I can't fix that. The whitelist is only for URLs, if e.g. a song has the word "viagra" in the title and the spamfilter wouldn't allow you to save it because external links containing that word (generated by SongFooter) are blocked.
What we could do is add a colour variable to {{star}} and have {{SongFooter}} display the {{accent}} template automatically for violet songs (has to be SF because we need the language). Of course it wouldn't be displayed above the lyrics anymore, but (like {{NoLang}}) right above the "External links" section… — 6×9 (Talk) 06:35, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
I've got an alternative, more radical solution of this (hooked accents) problem. Instead of trying to overcome spam filter to mark page with {{Accent}}, Lwt may just... reupload accentless lyrics, resolving such a way both problems - making page editable and fixing its lyrics simultaneously. Hope you've noticed that RFEAC.count was reduced recently from over 15000 to current value 26. Lwt's ready to repeat this job with any list of accented songs you give me. --Senvaikis (talk) 12:55, May 17, 2011 (UTC)


Hey, Chris. For some reason, I keep getting an "internal error" message on the SOTD nomination page when I try to nominate a song. It reads: "Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information." I don't know who needs to deal with it, but I just wanted to let you know. --Cubs Fan2007 (Talk to me) 00:35, May 21, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I know that message, it's the default message. I don't know what's wrong with the page, I'll check that. But it's not a big deal, the next 3 days are all PDNoms already. (Oh, and thank you for letting me know, I did not see it so far as all other managing functions work as usual.) - Chris 17:33, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
Update: I've commited my new version to Sean, and he pushed it forward to Wikia's branch that'll go live on Wednesday. We're checking about the internal error. I don't know what it could be. At my local wiki, the extension worked well. I guess it's temporary. - Chris 20:01, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
I just nominated a song as a test and it worked fine for me. Hopefully it was just temporary. Does it work for you now, Cubs Fan2007?
-Sean Colombo 22:28, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
Cubs, which song were you trying to nominate? I've got a feeling that the error is related to the apostroph character. I can't nominate Big The Boss:Let's Proof It but Kate Voegele:Heart In Chains is okay. Heading to my test wiki to create some pages with special chars...
Add: I found the error and submitted a fix to Sean. I hope that it just makes it into this Wednesday's release. - Chris 15:40, May 22, 2011 (UTC)
Add 2: Will likely be fixed with the release on Wednesday. - Chris 01:08, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
I've been trying to nominate "Let's Go Get Stoned" by the Amboy Dukes for April 20th of next year. Like Black Sabbath's "Sweet Leaf", I like the song as just a song, despite its subject matter. And I think you're onto something; I just tested "Faithfully" by Journey, and it went through with no problem. --Cubs Fan2007 (Talk to me) 05:47, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
Yes, the problem only became visible since I added some code to it with the last update. That's why apostrophed nominations were possible beforehand (and will be after next Wed. again). - Chris 17:36, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

SOTD May 25, 2011

Hi Chris! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Iyaz:Replay has won Song of the Day for May 25, 2011!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 07:00, May 25, 2011 (UTC)


Please cancel my profile and terminate my "membership" with Lyrics.wikia. Senvaikis is a pain in my balls and I don't need his crap. While I may make errors, he can keep his arrogance - screw him. I will go elsewhere where I can contribute.

Thank you for your help and frindliness in the hsort time I have been a user.

--L78lancer 14:21, May 31, 2011 (UTC)

I can understand that you're frustrated if you're trying to contribute to LW and just earn remarks 'bout what you did wrong so far. And I can understand your anger as I know Senv's messages aren't always written in the most polite words you could find. However I know that this is not meant to be arrogant, I believe it's just very difficult to draw the line if you're not talking or writing English all the day. But I can understand if you don't want to participate any longer, although I think it's sad. But okay.
You can't really cancel a membership. But you can log out and let the account rest. Furthermore, you could head over to any other wiki inside the Wikia network. Only very few wikis have so many code conventions like LyricWiki, because only few are that huge. Your account is valid for the whole Wikia Network, so you may give it a try. Smile
Good bye and have fun. - Chris 18:29, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
P.S.: If it's for this: Quote by Senvaikis: "Once more: please, use {{Album Art}} instead of [[File]]." then I don't see what's wrong with it, sorry. I can't think of any more objective manner to remind you to use {{Album Art||Album Name}} code instead of [[File:Artist - Album Name.jpg|Album Name]].

Daniel Powter:Bad Day

Hi Chris, I replied (rather late :) ) here; I don't know if it sends a notification, since it's in the archive, so I'm leaving a note here. Cheers, Mikemorr 03:40, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Hello Mike,
As it is characteristic of archives not to be changed in any manner, I cut out the post again and I'll put it here:
The following statements are in reference to this archived discussion:
Thanks for your response; I've been meaning to reply sooner. All those points seem good to me, except:
  • "your camera"; when I listen to it I'm sure I hear "the camera". And he's visibly making the "th" sound at 1:20 here. And "the camera do[es]n't lie" is a common expression; 468,000 hits here.
  • "Ooh, what a horrible day" would certainly make sense, but there's no "b" articulation visible at 2:19 here or 2:22 here. My guess is that it's "Ooh, want a holiday", a reference to the earlier line "Well you need a blue sky holiday".
What do you think?
--Mikemorr 03:22, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
Hm, okay with both. Holiday because of the video, the not really from the video but as it's on his webpage it's okay with me. - Chris 04:04, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Just stopping by to say thanks!

I talked to you in the chat earlier about some formatting/naming issues I was having. I've since added quite a few pages that I hope are helpful to people, just wanted to say thanks for the friendly help!

Jimroot84 04:23, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hi, thanks a lot, and you're welcome to ask new questions. - Chris 07:35, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

SOTD June 28, 2011

Hi Chris! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Lady Gaga:Alejandro has won Song of the Day for June 28, 2011!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 07:00, June 28, 2011 (UTC)

SOTD nom

Hey, Chris, I was moving some of my preferred date noms from the old nomination page to the Special page, but like an idiot, I forgot to save one of the token numbers. If possible, can you get that number to me, so I can double check if I added the preferred date? The song is "Soul Sacrifice" by Santana. Thanks. --Cubs Fan2007 (Talk to me) 20:20, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Yep, the preferred date was set to August 16. Smile - Chris 20:45, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Ghost pages

It's not just deletions that are lagging. Try creating a redirect as opposed to redirecting an existing page – I always get the "This page needs content" placeholder, and the redirect only appears after waiting between half a minute and several minutes. Might be the job queue, but it's been like that for many weeks now… — 6×9 (Talk) 08:05, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

No, the job queue is fine since exactly 2 weeks ago:
I was confused because the GPP Bot was ready and deletions by it worked absolutely fine, whereas those Ghost pages stayed blue links and intact redirects (except for when I purged the pages). But "several minutes"... Look at Special:PrefixIndex, but seriosly... it obviously was still blue 10 hours after the deletion, otherwise I wouldn't have tried to "fix" that. What the hell is going on here?! Shocked - Chris 09:40, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
Fun fact: if you "hide" from the system that the page you just created is a redirect (e.g. by doing something with SUBST:PAGENAME) it is treated like a regular page creation and appears at once. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:07, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Placeholder deletion?

Apologies, but I'm trying to understand the Delete placeholder to make way for a protected title.-edit, specifically for three songs that I recently noticed bear this edit: Glee Cast:Funny Girl, Glee Cast:It's A Man's Man's Man's World, and Glee Cast:Hello, I Love You.

This may have something to do with the choice in using the artist Glee or Glee Cast for singles/albums released through the TV series. In keeping with the system I saw before I started editing and adding new songs, I went with Glee Cast, but the Gracenote page for Glee (vs. Glee Cast) is actually longer?

Any explanation or guidance would be helpful. I'm just not too clear on what a "placeholder" is. Should all the Glee Cast songs instead be changed to Glee? - sssh 14:46, July 12, 2011 (UTC)

Hi sssh, the answers to your questions are here: User:LWChris/GPP. But I'll also explain it here. Here we go:
"Placeholders" are songpages that were created by User:GracenoteBot ("GNB"). Gracenote couldn't get the license for us to display the lyrics, so the song's titles were on the so-called "takedown list". We are not allowed to display these songs completely. If the pages exist beforehand, they are "taken down", i. e. the lyrics are cropped and the page is protected to prevent re-adding them. But if the pages did not exist so far, GNB created them as placeholder and protected the pages. That is how it was until now.
Unfortunately, it turned out that the Gracenote protection database is poorly maintained to put it mildly. Most page titles are "wrong", i. e. they contain typos, common misspellings and some are absolutely incomprehensible. The most obvious consequence amongst others were vast amounts of links in the "Other songs" sections. Finally, we (all admins + me) decided to switch from creating empty pages to really protect the pages from creation. The "GPP" transformed all old placeholders into protected titles. As a user you cannot create these pages. So basically nothing has changed for you, just that some former blue links to placeholders are now redlinks (which IMO fits better anyway for those content-empty placeholders). - Chris 17:10, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
Hm, I think I've got the whole un-licensed songs deal down. Still, these pages did have content on them before, so I'm still confused about the blue/red/why-their-content-was-deleted-altogether-and-not-cropped bit.
But so, if a song does exist as a Gracenote page, it doesn't mean that the site has been licensed to display the lyrics? i.e. Gracenote:Glee:Funny Girl, Gracenote:Glee:It's A Man's, Man's Man's World, and Gracenote:Glee:Hello, I Love You sssh 22:55, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
Quote by sssh: "these pages did have content on them before" - that content was nothing but the standard stuff, a {{Song}} template with the artist, lyrics-tags, the {{gracenote_takedown}} template, and a {{SongFooter}} with song and fLetter. As admin, I can see the deleted revisions, too. The last content before my bot deleted the page was:
{{Song||Glee Cast|star=Green}}


|song     = Funny Girl
|fLetter  = F
|language = 
|youtube  = 
|goear    = 
|asin     = 
|iTunes   = 
Quote by sssh: "But so, if a song does exist as a Gracenote page, it doesn't mean that the site has been licensed to display the lyrics? i.e. Gracenote:Glee:Funny Girl, Gracenote:Glee:It's A Man's, Man's Man's World, and Gracenote:Glee:Hello, I Love You" - Now that is interesting, because you're right that having the Gracenote namespace page allows us to have the content namespace page, too. According to the takedown situation, the current status is: we are allowed to have Glee:Funny Girl, but not Glee Cast:Funny Girl. That is weird, but not our fault. For us, "Glee" is an alias of the correct name "Glee Cast". For Gracenote it's obviously different. I don't know what to do in that case, but I'll ask Sean if there's anything we can to get back Glee Cast:Funny Girl. Depending on whether Gracenote:Glee:Funny Girl was added after Gracenote:Glee Cast:Funny Girl was taken down or the other way round we know if we are allowed to have those two songs or not. - Chris 22:03, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

SOTD Nomination Page Notes

Using my admin powers to try to edit a nomination with long text, and not all the existing text appears in the edit box -- check this out with nominations #338 or #340, for example. Will it work if I paste the text into the box, and not get truncated when I save it?

Also, in the nomination edit box, would it be possible to indicate in some manner which is the day and which is the month? Maybe switch the month names to abbreviations (Jan, Feb, Mar, and so on)? Obviously it's easy to see once you pull down both, since one goes up to 31 and one only goes up to 12, but it's a little bit user-unfriendly -- especially to Americans, who are expecting the month to be first. (Yeah, I know, Americans suck. We also use gallons and Fahrenheit.) Trainman 19:06, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Quote by Trainman: "not all the existing text appears in the edit box" - doesn't it get scrollbars? It usually should...
Quote by Trainman: "Will it work if I paste the text into the box, and not get truncated when I save it?" - yes, there's no upper limit (only the one by the HTTP, but that's far beyond the current length ranges at SOTD).
Quote by Trainman: "Maybe switch the month names to abbreviations" - That's possible but will make my code a tiny bit more complex. On the other hand this shouldn't make a big difference meanwhile Lol. I won't change the order though. As German editor I have to cope with the strange order in english MediaWiki, and as English editors you have to cope with the German order :D
Oh, and it's not so much about gallons and Fahrenheit... Far worse is inches/feet/miles compared to the metric system. I can immediately tell you that 3 kilometers are 3.000 meters are 300.000 centimeters. Now how many feet/inches are 3 miles? Tongue
Something about the state "modified": You don't have to (or maybe even shouldn't?) mark nominations you changed "modified". That state is intended to be a heads-up for you rather than being information for the user.
Nominations you ranked "suitable" become ranked "modified" as soon as they are edited by the user again. That informs you that the nomination could now contain typos again and stuff, or it could even be about a completely different song, that was already SOTD. Basically that mode means you have to recheck the whole nomination again, but it can be helpful if you already picked some you want to accept, as the modifications should be very small usually rather than a nomination of a new song. But you never know... - Chris 22:24, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, now that we talked in chat, I think I got the hang of SOTD things a little better.
3 miles is 15,840 feet (which I did in my head -- 5280x3 works out as 20x3 less than 5300x3), but I'm not sure why you'd need to convert 3 miles to feet in the first place. What I end up needing to convert most often is not gallons, but all of their cousins, since they're found in recipes: quarts, pints, cups, fluid ounces, teaspoons, tablespoons.
If I ever get godlike powers, one of the things I'll do is magically convert everything in the U.S. to the metric system, since it seems like that's the only way it's ever going to happen. Trainman 01:04, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
Hehe, I wrote a letter to Mr. Obama about that some months ago, but I didn't get a response by now. As comparison: when I wrote to the German government department of finances with a question regarding our national debt, I got a response within a week. Obviously the American government is not really open minded towards visitors from different countries. I wonder whether I got a response if I lived in the US (as a voter)?
It's weird, since you all learn the metric system in school for physics anyway, it shouldn't be too difficult to switch the system in the young people's mind. The only difficulty might be converting everything official like the car's speedometers, road signs etc.
And you convert kilometers to meters to convert from km/h to m/s in physics, or for buildings for example. A car's lengths is also given in millimeters instead of meters for technical sketches. My car is 3999 millimeters long, which is 3.999 meters Smile. - Chris 23:39, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

SOTD July 18, 2011

Hi Chris! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Ke$ha:TiK ToK has won Song of the Day for July 18, 2011!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 07:00, July 18, 2011 (UTC)

An important question

Remember when you put me in charge of the Album of the Week? This is embarassing but where do I edit the Album of the Week part of the home page? I forgot what it was. Please answer when possible. Thanks!

hard4me 11:03, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Template:Album Of The Week6×9 (Talk) 11:41, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! hard4me 12:13, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

LyricWiki Chat

Hi LWChris, If you want to, could you please go on LyricWiki chat? I'm getting bored. Thanks!

hard4me 16:59, August 13, 2011 (UTC)

Hehe, as I see from my watchlist you've been asking everyone to come to the chat Tongue. I guess except for me none of the admins go to the chat as reaction to your post, I'm afraid. 6 and Senv don't chat, and Sean is only in the chat when he's at work, which is Monday to Friday. Together with Trainman I'm the only one who's probably there every day (but opposed to Trainman I think, I am not Hihi). - Chris 13:17, August 14, 2011 (UTC)


I don't know if you got my message in chat, but here is the subpage that you wanted me to make in chat earlier. Have fun!

XxTimberlakexx 22:16, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Check my work?

Hi Chris,

You helped me with an issue several months ago.

I have created pages for an artist, album and songs for the first time. The artist page is Would you like to look it over and tell me if I've done it well enough, and how it might be improved?


Dale Nichols (Dgndenver)

Hi Dale,
The majority of the page is looking good. Here is what needs to be corrected (I won't do that so you can "learn"):
Artist page
  1. For Twitter, only use the profile name (everything behind the last shlash)
  2. The Wikipedia parameter does not need underscores (not an error, it just looks better)
  3. You forgot the "Album Art" template name below the album headline
  4. Midnight in Harlem and Bound for Glory need to be moved and corrected to their LW:PN conform titles.
  5. The youtube parameter is intended to link to the youtube profile if present, not to a video
Album page
  1. The album page is missing
Song pages
  1. You need to specify "English" as language in the {{SongFooter}}
  2. You could already add Revelator (2011) as album in the {{Song}} template
Everything else is looking fine to me. Tip: most errors are already visible on the pages themselves:
  • the artist page has "Invalid Twitter Link" as category
  • the Youtube link does not work
  • the AlbumArt template code is visible as {{||Revelator}}
  • Bound for Glory displays a red banner with a hint about the page naming policy
  • All songpages display a yellow banner with a hint about the undefined language
But all in all good work already! Keep it up! - Chris 08:34, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
Um yeah, that's the downside of great error tracking systems... someone is there to fix issues within hours Lol - Chris 18:31, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Naming policy question

Hi there. I've got a question about article titles that LyricWiki:Page Names didn't answer for me.

Dog Fashion Disco did two different versions of a song called Scores for Porn. They aren't very different, but the second version reordered some of the verses and added a bridge section. Anyway only one version, the latter, is on this wiki, it's at Dog Fashion Disco:Scores For Porn. I want to add the original version to this site too, but I don't know at what location the pages should be. McJeff (talk this way)/(stalk this way) 16:01, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

So if the "Original version" is missing, how is the other version (the one we have) called? - Chris 17:23, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

How do I get rid of the gray box?/Wie krieg ich den grauen Kasten weg?

Hi Chris, Ignor'ant told me that I could always turn to you. Just created my own signature (inspired by those of Sscout and others). But now the date appears in a gray box. Do you happen to know what went wrong?

Hi Chris, der Ignor'ant hat mir gesagt, dass ich mich auch an dich wenden kann. Hab gerade meine Signatur (nach Vorbild von Sscout und anderen) gebastelt. Aber das Datum wird nun in einem grauen Layer angezeigt. Weisst du, was ich vielleicht falsch gemacht habe? LG     Lichtweber      talk    contribs       18:29, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Also die Box kommt von den Leerzeichen davor, denn Zeilen mit Leerzeichen werden automatisch als Code angezeigt... Die müssten weg. Aber mal allgemein: Würde es dir etwas ausmachen, eine weniger platzraubende Signatur anzulegen, sprich, nicht jedes Leerzeichen und Element der Sig in eine neue Zeile zu machen, bzw vllt sogar nur die Sig zu transcluden? - Chris 18:35, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
Chris, danke für die schnelle Antwort. Ja, ich setz immer nur die vier Tilden rein, aber die werden offenbar nach dem posten durch den kompletten Quelltext ersetzt. Den hab ich nun allerdings stark verdichtet ;)     Lichtweber      talk    contribs       18:55, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
Deine 4 Tilden sollten eigentlich das einsetzen, was in deinen Einstellungen steht. Aber es wäre vielleicht sinnvoll, das in den Einstellungen als "{{User:Lichtweber/Signature}}" zu schreiben und nicht als "{{SUBST:User:Lichtweber/Signature}}" falls das da steht. - Chris 18:44, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
Because of technical details it was easier to keep that convo German. Summary in English:
Lichtweber had a problem with his signature causing the date to be formatted like code in a pre tag.
I told him that the reason were the space characters in front of the last lines of his signature and asked him to use a less space-consumptive.
Because in spite of his effords to join all lines of his sig into one its sourcecode is still quite lengthy, so I asked him to transclude it.

SOTD September 13, 2011

Hi Chris! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Schiller:Die Nacht ... Du Bist Nicht Allein has won Song of the Day for September 13, 2011!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 07:00, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

SOTD question

Hi Chris, I'd like to know if a song with partial lyrics can be a SOTD (this song), it's lyrics are nowhere to be found, I can't even buy the album to check the booklet, cause it's album is an internet-only album with no booklet. The artist's official page got no information on it's lyrics and LW is the only lyrics website with that song (apart from this one, that just copied the lyrics from here, partial template included!). I did my best to transcribe it, but my listening skills are far from perfect Sad.

Kleyguerth 04:25, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

well, it's difficult to give anything like a hard rule for that. SOTD would ideally be Gold songs only, but that's utopian. So my question would be: is there any special reason why this of all songs should be SOTD? Regarding the transscribing, I tried it myself, and I think it's only one word that's missing now. Please re-check if you think my edits are okay so far. It's also hard for me to find anything new, because 1) I'm German and 2) I'd lie if I said this is the kind of music I enjoy listening to. Shy Furthermore I found the lyrics on various pages (4 to 6), but they all copied each other (with the dots), hard to tell who was the first to have it. In most cases the typos were also copied so that it's obviously "copy and pwaste" (how we computer scientist say if you replicate an error by copying it Wink).
Well, if that one word was filled I could definitely say "go on", but this way I'd appreciate to know the reason beforehand (needn't be the same you'll fill in). - Chris 18:09, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for helping with the transcribing!
Well, about the reason this should be SOTD... Well, it's quite a long story... I created my account sometime ago, made some contributions, then forgot about LW. In that time, I discovered Axxis, they became my favourite artist since then and their lyrics are pretty hard to find, that made me want to come back to LW and contribute with their page. So it's like Axxis made me join LW for real and that song is my favourite one. I could pick another Axxis' song and nominate with that reason, I wanted Moonlight as SOTD, but I don't want to "break the rules" of SOTD. - Kleyguerth 01:51, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
As I said, there isn't any written rule for that, and all in all - as it's only one missing word anymore - nominating is okay. Maybe we're lucky and somebody who knows/understands the word will find the song through SOTD and add it? I'd say, go ahead and nominate it. - Chris 15:16, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
Alright, I'm gonna nominate it later, thanks! - Kleyguerth 23:55, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

Guess who?!?!

I'm back!!! Miss me? LOL Please tell me about any major changes I should know about, my friend. Or make a general list of stuff for me to research & point me in the right direction. Things are quite different. Thank you! I hope school & things have been good with you! BeatriceBlue 06:56, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Humm, it's hard to tell what changed in the last billion months since you were away. Let's see, maybe you don't know this and maybe that. Do you know these: Smile Wink Grin Tongue ..? Finally, and this might become reality maybe... - Chris 19:55, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Don't Understand Something...

Hi! I just wanted to know about this Wikify thing. How do you do it? Just wanted to know. Thanks, TTYL -ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄ 01:34, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

  1. You have a specific album you want to add to LyricWiki, which is not created so far. Usually you'd have to edit the artist page and type all the wikisytax:
    ==[[Artist Name:Album Name (Year)|Album Name (Year]]==
    {{Album Art||Album Name}}
    # '''[[Artist Name:Track Name|Track Name]]'''
    # '''[[Artist Name:Track Name|Track Name]]'''
  2. Because that is quite a lot of work, although the only thing that varies from track to track is the actual track name, you rather go to Special:Wikify
  3. You fill in the information that stays the same for the whole album at the top just once, that's the advantage opposed to writing all the code etc.
  4. You have to fill in the artist name, the album name and the album year. If you know that you will be able to upload a cover sooner or later, you check the "Show album cover" option, too.
  5. Next, you fill in some kind of a roughly formatted "discography", i. e. a tracklist where each line goes for one track on the album you want to add. There are different types of formats you can enter the information in, like a numbered list, a plaintext list, Wikipedia and so on. They all have in common, that it is not wikisyntax so far.
  6. After you filled in everything and selected the regarding format of the list you put into the textarea, click on the "Wikify" button at the bottom of the page. It'll give you a (usually) well-formatted wiki-code which is in most cases almost paste-ready for the artist page.
  7. As the album pages are created almost ready except for a few parameters and the tracklist, Special:Wikify does not output the album page, too. However you can copy the tracklist only (without the headline and the Album Art and clear template), then save the artist page, and use the redlink-headline to add the album. There you enter the copied tracklist, fill in the parameters if you are already able to, and save the page.
Hope that helps, Chris 21:50, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Explain to me, please...

Chris please explain to me how someone can rank an album Bronze, when every single song was incomplete & red linked? I just entered the lyrics for every song except one, but before there were none. Here. Thank you. BeatriceBlue 18:44, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Chris? BeatriceBlue 05:27, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
Well, if Chris doesn't want to talk to you anymore… ;-)
It's only required for Silver/Gold albums that all songs be ranked Ag/Au as well. Ssmodk should have filled the "allsongs" parameter with Black instead of Green, but that's an easy mistake to make. (Maybe they meant to fill in the lyrics later and just forgot or didn't get round to it?) — 6×9 (Talk) 07:16, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I was busy studying so I didn't come here every day to check. When I saw the "New message" baloon yesterday I saw Sean's section and was in a hurry to fix the SOTD noms, and then forgot to check for other messages. I think the time I'm here is similar to the amount I edit, and my edit amount looks like this:
                /     \
               /       \
              /         \      ___
    /\    _  /           \____/   \      /\
___/  \__/ \/                      \____/  \____/\______
|                                                     |
0                                                    now

Sorry Sad - Chris 17:44, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Well... well... darn you! LOL ;o) No, really, it's ok, Chris, I totally understand! And thank you, 6x9!! Much appreciated! BeatriceBlue 01:50, October 18, 2011 (UTC)


Some user just nominated a song for Sunday called Apples To Apples & wanted me to poke you to take a look at the nominations (since it's such a short time before then). Thanks!
-Sean Colombo 01:12, October 15, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but I will prefer another nomination for October 16th, because I can't make a good reason out of the nomination reason that was given. I don't understand what the user is trying to tell me, and obviously didn't care too much about ortography. I'm starting to become pickier. Can you please edit the trac code to use a limit of 120 characters (that is line 637 of the body and lines 37 and 122 of the i18n). I really have to find some time to finally make that fast-written quick&dirty code ready... - Chris 09:25, October 15, 2011 (UTC)


Hey Chris, I tried to change {{SUBST:User:Lichtweber/Signature}} into {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} in the preferences as u suggested. But no matter what I do it always switches back. I tried both to check and uncheck the "Signatur als Wikitext behandeln (ohne automatische Verlinkung)" button. Any ideas what I can do here? thx  · Lichtweber talk service 

Weird, the correct setting would be {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} and "Signatur als Wikitext behandeln (ohne automatische Verlinkung)" checked. That'd put "~~~~" into "{{User:Lichtweber/Signature}}". What do you mean by "it switches back"? Do you save the preferences but the checkbox is always unchecked again? If that's the case that'd mean the saving of preferences is broken. - Chris 21:37, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
Switch back means: I fill in {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} and save by hitting the save button. But when I reload the page {{SUBST:User:Lichtweber/Signature}} is back the field, no matter wether I checked the lower checkbox or not. And, in fact, when I try to sign with ~~~~ the complete source code appears. Any ideas?  · Lichtweber talk service 
IIRC templates can't be used as signatures, so the change you make is probably ignored. What you can try (and what, again IIRC, is what other people do) is to create another page, say User:Lichtweber/Sig2 with {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} as the only content, and use {{SUBST:User:Lichtweber/Sig2}} in your preferences (leaving the checkbox checked). — 6×9 (Talk) 22:01, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Stevie Wonder:Superstition

Hi Chris, wanted to alert you that your last edit wonked up the first bullet in the Awards section. Please fix? Thanks!!

6 fixed this, thanks for the heads-up. I think my Auto-Fix script somehow confused the {{SongFooter}} and the {{Grammy}} template - although I'm pretty sure I implemented a catch, it looks like the code does not filter clearly enough. I will look into it. Thanks again, Chris 16:37, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Meine SOTD-Nominierung

Hallo Chris,

hab' ich 'ne Chance, dass mein nominierter Song dieses Jahr noch auf der Startseite auftaucht? Sorry, wenn ich nerve, es gibt sicher wichtigeres auf dieser Welt, aber ich habe mir im Gegensatz zu anderen ernsthaft Mühe gegeben mit meinem Nominierungstext und würde mir wünschen, dass das gewürdigt wird. Andernfalls würde ich dich bitten, die Nominierung zu löschen und mich darüber zu informieren, damit ich die Sache zumindest abhaken kann. Danke.

--91.49 12:27, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hi 91.49,
dein Song ist momentan an Position 8 in unserer Queue und wird darum im Rutsch der für Dezember akzeptierten Songs dabei sein. Smile Grüße, Chris 12:32, November 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reporting a page for deletion

I can't seem to find a way to report pages so I am posting this on some admins pages (because all I could find was a list of admins). While I was adding a band and its lyrics I used English capitalization and then I realized that I had to actually capitalize each word. So I ended up having to pages. I want to delete the one that doesn't follow wikia's capitalization rules, which would be

Thanks in advance

Dexter.prog 12:52, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Hey dude, sorry about the confusion with the Alex Day stuff. I know minor artists are welcome here, but that didn't seem like material that was real. Sorry about that. :( XxTimberlakexx 03:16, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Yes, with that formatting it looked like someone just typed some text, but now with the proper layout and less "SCREAMING" you can see the structure of verse and chorus, the rhymes and so on. So no problem, that's why I put a YouTube video on the page, so everybody can listen to as "proof" it that this songs actually exists. Wink - Chris 03:21, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, exactly. Thanks man :) XxTimberlakexx 03:30, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

State of T-Line

Hello, I stumbled across your T-Line and it seems pretty and neat to me. I thought directly of using it on the artist-pages I have an eye on, but saw, that it is not finished. What is the state? Is it ready to use "out in the wild" with only minor things missing/wrong displayed but no errors or should I better wait? Kind regards — Salandas (Talk) 02:24, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Hi there, I've not finished it enough to be productive. Some really basic templates are still missing, but I've been making plans to continue the work. It's a bit tricky now that I'm studying to keep up with developing something. But I'll finish it within 2012 I guess. - Chris 20:28, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

New Wiki Nav

Hey Chris! :)
You'd mentioned looking forward to the new Wiki Nav because it allows for more links. Do you think we should have a head-start and set up all of the messages now, or should I just flip it on & we can start editing away? Thanks,
-Sean Colombo 01:19, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Not sure I understand the alternatives Grin. If it's for "shall we discuss before changing or transform our old nav to the new one and edit the structure afterwards", I'm for the first, when are you available in chat or anywhere again? Smile
I need to get some progress in T-Line btw...! - Chris 17:15, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
In chat right now :)
Will try to be in chat 1pm-5pm PST Mon-Wed for a while and see if that works out
-Sean Colombo 19:55, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
Okay, I'll be there from 1pm-3pm, because that's 10-12pm in Germany and I should not stay up much longer Wink - Chris 21:12, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you so much for the award man :D XxTimberlakexx 21:53, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, same here. :) hard4me 23:09, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

had a mishap last night

Last night I accidentally used a batchmove from Korn to KoRn, and all of the redirects got Merge templates on them. Luckily I was able to roll it all back, just letting you know it was just an accident. XxTimberlakexx 04:29, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

That's what I said, be very careful with the Batchmove, and better always use the preview function. That's what that function was made for. Wink - Chris 04:31, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

I know. I learned my lesson there. :P On a good note, I did manage to ban someone who was spamming pages and roll all of their edits back. XxTimberlakexx 13:25, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

If it's somebody with overdimensional pictures of kittens, block that user with the typed duration "infinite". It's some bored guy who is coming back every other day, investing a few minutes until he's blocked and rolled back in 30 seconds... - Chris 15:56, February 5, 2012 (UTC)

Now that clears up a lot, thanks.

I'll be sure to do accordingly. On the following points you mentioned:

1. I'll get that done as soon as I can.

2. Well, since I have only 2 songs up at the moment, that should be easy to fix.

3. So, if the song translation of ภาพลวงตา is to be out on a subpage, what title should it be named? ดา เอ็นโดรฟิน (Da Endrophine):ภาพลวงตา/translation, or /eng?

4. Thanks that I could help.

5. Thanks for clearing up the parameter problems. I'll get that fixed.

Oh, by the way, you got it right. ภาพลวงตา means mirage.

Thanks once again! Bookbay Talk Stop SOPA! 14:32, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

Neither /translation nor /eng, it's /en. See also Help:Translations. - Chris 14:59, February 18, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Chorus

The answer can be found on User talk:Christien LeBlanc (if it's not there, I'm maybe still typing it). - Chris 23:57, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
The reply can be found on User talk:Christien LeBlanc

The reply can be found on User talk:Christien LeBlanc


About that Ola (FI) page. Thanks to let me know about the naming policy. That's one thing I haven't been sure of. Prybar 12:27, April 21, 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome! Smile - Chris 15:33, April 21, 2012 (UTC)


Sorry :( I guess I wasn't thinking clearly when I did that. Usually when I see someone posting on someone's talk page in capital letters, I usually deem it as flaming and go ahead and block them. Sorry about that, but I mean, everyone makes mistakes, and I'm really sorry for what I did. XxTimberlakexx 20:51, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

It's okay, I already unblocked and explained for it. Don't lose heart, you're new and it takes some time to get a feeling for block durations. - Chris 21:10, April 26, 2012 (UTC)

Wait, you got the apology? LOL... jk.
Christien LeBlanc 04:39, May 2, 2012 (UTC)



I realize there must be quite a few "fanatics" on sites like these... but I didn't realize just how bad they were until today.

And by the way, I'm sorry to be bringing this to you -- I'm sure you're probably tired of seeing my name.


I noticed a while back that nothing on this page was accurate (or even complete), and today I finally got around to working on it, since I know the band & have liked them quite a while.... And by, "know the band", I mean, I literally, know the band... I have their original logo'd bass-drum head, in addition to a lot of other stuff, that "fanatics" would kill for... but anyway...

About 1/2 way through (what I actually finished doing), I was contacted by some guy, User ID "Salzion", all pissed off because I was editing his lyrics & completing the page (the 1st 2 EPs in particular, is all I got around to, since he monopolized much of my time this afternoon)...

I tried to explain that any lyric he initially posted for anything I'd titled, "EP Version", was erased & replaced with the latter, Album Version, because the site thought they were the same song -- (as he'd listed the EPs & their songs; but did not actually make any of the EP's Pages, and so on) -- and all I was doing essentially, was redoing, and completing what he'd started a long time ago...

He put words into my mouth & twisted nearly everything I said -- kept changing his story about pretty much everything; and in general, had a real schizoid episode... I guess, because "i touched his stuff", essentially.

After what had transpired a few weeks ago, which was still very fresh in my mind as I was talking with this rude guy, who kept trying to bait me into a fight -- I made it a point take the high ground & keep things civil... which eventually, he even bitched at me for doing that; but nothing I did, or tried to do mattered --- the guy came looking to pick a fight & I even said so early on in one of my messages, that it was clearly all he wanted to do (pick a fight); and didn't want to listen to facts, or debate civilly...

At any rate... I tried to cut ties a few times but he was pretty good at baiting me back into the conversation, 'mis-remembering' my past statements & changing his own statements, wild & ridiculous statements about him owning all the EPs on CD... (even though only the 1st one was ever released on CD, the rest were digital-release-only... all verifiable facts)... and on and on and on.

Anyway - I tried to be the good guy this time - don't think it worked very well.

Don't know if there's anything you need to look at, in regard to this or not... but thought at least someone should know it wasn't me this time!

PS: I replied to your message about Cynergy 67 / Deleted Pages, don't know if you saw it; but you guys were pretty clear last time that responses are expected

Thanks, Christien LeBlanc 04:36, May 2, 2012 (UTC)


Hi there, yes, responses are the only way to show that you've read the post, so they're appreciated.
Okay, for the pages: The Dreaming:Let It Burn is for the album release version, The Dreaming:Let It Burn (EP Version) is for the EP version. Both are linked to each other. This is the preferred solution.
As both of you have the habit of deleting posts after a time which makes it hard to trace how everything evolved without detailed investigation (and I don't have time for that), I'll both invite you to read the following personal note:
@Salzion: If you're really pissed because someone edited your work, I have to say that this is a wiki, so you will have to learn to cope with others modifying your work. I can understand that you're upset if someone in your eyes "ruins" your work. But stay cool, none of your work is lost. We can restore any version from the page history with a few keystrokes. The appreciated reaction to someone changing your work into IYO wrong content is to leave it as it is and kindly ask for sources and also name your sources, preferrably ones the other user can look at, too (YouTube video, official band page, ...). If you feel that you see no progress in the discussion, talk to an admin like Christien did.
@Christien: I guess it would helpful if you kept your posts a little shorter. And calling anyone a poser just because he owns all albums doesn't smoothen the waves, either Wink. I know that you're a passionate and spirited writer, but a short and neutral posts helps to keep things cool. You can criticise rules and content (in a modest way, of course), but not a user for his opinion or decisions. Sentences like "you are <adjective or attribute>" are highly dangerous for the civil debate.
@Both of you: I hope that the "two-pages-solution" solves the problem for both of you. If not, I'd like to point out that we have plenty of space for even more versions. If both of you have different lyrics, and both of you have an original audio file as a source, it might be a hint on that there are several versions, e. g. the digital download EP track differs from the CD track, the UK release is slightly different than the Central-European and the US release is yet another track. Then there are extended versions, radio edits, club mixes and much more... So rather than putting any effort into proving the other wrong, both of you should use that time to find out which version/edit/release you have in particular, with the goal that both versions are tagged correctly and peacefully coexist on different pages.
And here's a general rule on editing unclear passages: avoid edit wars. Instead of editing the whole page and stating "it's correct now", you should at first discuss the differences you see one by one on the talkpage and only edit it when you agreed on the correct line. Here's an example of how this could look like: Discussion on "Daniel Powter:Bad Day" and the answer.
So much for that, if there's something unclear, feel free to respond here. - Chris 20:19, May 2, 2012 (UTC)


Chris, (yes, I heard you about the long messages; but, it is what it is... I honestly don't care anymore if you actually read this. Nothing against you, I'm just done with the people on this site. He isn't the 1st and won't be the last.)
Thanks for taking a minute to look at it -- for future reference, I'll not delete anything for a few days (though I did this time around because he'd done so on his page, where most of it took place.)
Anyway, to clear up what you'd mentioned on my page... because of his hostility & rudeness, I was merely warning him that some of the Admins don't have a high tolerance for it, and neither did I; and since I wasn't being rude/hostile/etc., there was even less reason to keep doing it; and if he persisted, I would report him -- (yet it continued, and got worse) -- I was only trying to get him to be at least somewhat civil -- obviously it didn't work. ___ That said - If someone's being hostile/rude/insulting/etc.etc... how is it wrong to say, Stop, or I'll report you??? Timberlake BANS for the mere POSSIBILITY of a "flaming"... and here this guy is doing it in all it's flam'y goodness, and then some, and I can't even warn him that he should stop for his own sake!? Wow. That's the position you take on that.... Interesting.
short and neutral posts helps to keep things cool
Yes, and as I explained in my message to you (and have the proof of), it wasn't until many, many messages later, that I finally left my neutral stance & called him a poser in my last reply. The fact that, that message, is the only one he didn't delete, is pretty telling -- as it's the only one he finally baited me into stooping to his level (though, still nowhere near the level he was at for most of it; but I digress.)

-- and my initial messages were short & sweet... but as his got longer, so did mine -- mostly because he kept twisting my words to suit whatever deluded point he was trying to make, when he wasn't changing his own story, or rambling about nonsense that is.

it might be a hint on that there are several versions
Yes, we both, in fact, already knew this. He (allegedly) created the entire Artist page & what's listed on it -- all the EPs, Albums, etc... he did NOT create the individual EP (Album) Pages for the EPs though, and that's what I was fixing. (creating the EP's album pages & differentiating them in Title, so they wouldn't mesh w/ the latter, album-versions, as they had been previously; and which I explained, several times.) __ (Not that it matters, because most of the lyrics to both albums which he (allegedly) posted, are also inaccurate as well; but I digress)...
We both knew there are at least 3-4 versions of the same songs, re-recorded & released, unofficially, or officially, from 2003 to 2011 (and still going)...

___ The problem, was that he was claiming the Lyrics I posted were incorrect, and insults on top of insults, while claiming he was listening to the exact "EP Version"... and I was deaf, dumb, etc. etc. ___ I suggested he was listening to the wrong version of the song --- either a Demo Version, or rough Album Version; but Not the EP Version.... he stuck to his name calling & mockery, saying I had all kinds of mistakes & wrong words, etc. etc.... in the end, after all his insults & everything, he could come up with only 1 single Type-O (I'd accidentally written "you're" instead of "your" -- I fixed it).

like I said... it was clear that he came to me looking for a fight; and wasn't going to leave until he'd let off some steam, because he had a bad day or something, and needed to bully, and talk down to someone...
the fact that it took me so long to even call him a poser... and that it was all I called him, is a freaking miracle.
__ No amount of being nice, civil, and trying to "talk things out", was going to get me, or anyone else, anywhere, with guys like him, when all they're interested in doing, is picking fights & trying to bully strangers....

__ So while, taking hours, or days, discussing minor, or major edits to lyrics, may seem like a feasible idea... it's just not going to happen most of the time.

__ When someone edits a lyric, it's generally because what's there, isn't accurate --- so before the original 'poster' or 'editor' flies off the handle & starts berating the new 'editor', they should spend LESS time writing, and listen to the song, while reading along -- and if the edit is correct, no contact needed or warranted... if they still feel however, theirs was the correct interpretation & the new edit is, or may be wrong, THEN they can contact the new 'editor' & engage in a FRIENDLY dialogue.....

NONE of that, is what happened here... and it was only AFTER all the berating, insults, etc., that he finally listened to the songs, and realized, I was in fact, accurate, with the one type-o exception. ___ Polite dialogue/discussions about possible edits, like you referenced earlier, can only happen if BOTH parties are willing to be civil, and SANE. ___ I tried, repeatedly, to bring it to a civil & sane place; but he was determined to get his rocks off & let out some steam.
Since the only thing I could have done differently was ignore him, then that's what I'll do from now on. __ I'm not going to be someone's punching-bag. __ Honestly, the only reason I didn't immediately sever contact, is I thought it may be the Kid-Admin in disguise, or a friend of his, trying to bait me into another "flaming" excuse to validate his original action -- but whatever.

Okay, it seems like we have a different perception of what is rude and what is okay. To me, the first post seems legit... He asked:

Why don't you just rename the pages instead of creating the new ones?

Your answer was still quite okay, but in some parts a bit infelicitous:

Because they are different, and someone did not take the time to create the EPs properly. Besides, all pages are correct now whereas every single one was wrong before.

This answer is okay if you're not talking to the creator of the pages. But given that it was him who created them, this might have pissed him off a bit already, because it reads as:

Because they are different, and you did not take the time to finish your job properly. Besides, I corrected them all because you made mistakes in every single one.

Depending on who you're talking to, some of them might feel offended, especially because "Every Single One" puts so much emphasis on that all of them had mistakes (as if you had written "you didn't care enough to do anything right"). It's okay to correct anyone's mistakes, but you shouldn't point it out in public. Well, I'd not take any offense from saying "you made mistakes everywhere", but it depends on your temper, I guess. However, to me his response still seemed okay, or maybe with a light touch of annoyance:

(I did not only do half the job, because) I couldn't do better at that time, and (while you're teaching me about my mistakes, I can say you're also not perfect because) you don't have to add the comment at the top.

Maybe you can now see how this conversation heads towards the "Oh yeah? And you did ... wrong!" direction now where it ended up (you made mistakes everywhere - you added the comments, and they contain mistakes - you said they contain mistakes but they don't - here's a mistakes - that's only one, you said there were several - ...). I don't think any of you wanted to get this conversation to a fight, and you should maybe refrain from trying to take posts as attempt to bait you into something. This paranoia creates an "unhealthy" atmosphere for such issues, like for example I thought it may be the Kid-Admin in disguise, or a friend of his, trying to bait me into another "flaming" excuse to validate his original action". No that's not it, I promise. You said, and I agreed, and he accepted, that it was wrong to block you after the issue was solved. You can honestly trust me that nobody of us admins is eager to block a regular user here if he didn't do anything. We're not luring people into a mistake, that would also be counterproductive, wouldn't it? It happened, yes, but it was a mistake, I withdrew the block and Timberlake is sorry. He might have been too shocked when I called his attention to it, so that he forgot to make an extra excuse to you, but I'm sure you can take the one that's up above there as if it was directed to you, too. Smile It seems like in the end both of you say "okay, screw that, I'll ignore that user and that's it", and maybe that's the best solution. Cheers, Chris 11:33, May 5, 2012 (UTC)

Broken eyt/a

Hi, Chris. :May you look at this? not bad rhyme :)

tia, --Senvaikis (talk) 14:08, May 13, 2012 (UTC)


Hey Chris :)

I just have a quick question.

So, I noticed some albums are ranked Bronze when not all of the songs on that album have pages. Take this for example. Trainman Bronzed that, so I figured he'd know what he's doing. But is this the correct rank to give an album that doesn't have pages for all of its' songs? This came up to me because I wanted to Bronze Jimi Hendrix's page, but some of his albums don't have pages for all of his songs, and I remembered seeing some albums that were Bronze and had red-link songs.

Thanks in advance ^^ XxTimberlakexx 20:18, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

There is a rule that all "subpages" have to be at least of the same rank to allow the parent page achieving the particular ranking. That is: for an album, all songs need to be at least Silver before the album itself can be upgraded to Silver. This rule does not apply for Bronze, though:
Albums at the Bronze level have been checked by a human to make sure it has the {{Album}} and {{AlbumFooter}} templates and the correctly formatted name. The song list should also be complete and song titles checked to be correct. ()
If the tracklist is ok (not the tracks), it can be Bronze. But you're right, it'd be better if they existed, I don't know for what reason they are missing. You might ask Trainman about it. - Chris 22:01, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
Alright, cool. Thanks for the info, now I can bronze Hendrix's page :) XxTimberlakexx 23:28, May 21, 2012 (UTC)

The Dreaming, Pt.2

Hello Chris,

I'm writing about an issue I'm facing & hope you can help...

Remember the guy who took issues with me Updating & Correcting his ("Green") Lyrics for "The Dreaming" (Band)? __ I had some free time so I was going to finally update the rest of the pages, and remove the "(EP Version)" from the lyric section, and insert the link/format you suggested earlier, which will provide links on each lyric page to the various incarnations of each song, in the various Demos/EPs/Album releases, and so on.... Upon starting this process, I noticed that the jerk had reverted nearly All of my "Bronze" to "Gold" corrections, back to his "Green Star" versions (and literally changed the Stars back to Green, as well as removing other non-lyric info, like album info, etc., from many of the pages!)... Because most of his original (and reverted) lyrics were incorrect, incomplete, vast spelling errors, etc. etc... I've Re-Reverted the lyrics & their pages (Stars, misc. info, etc.)... and this time, am "watching" them, through changing "my preferences", to ensure he does not Undo the corrections, yet again...

The lyrics I posted originally, and again just now, are not just accurate; but they're in the proper format -- something many of his were not (they included "Chorus" lines, "x3" and so on)...

I remember your conversation with this guy regarding his anger about my editing/correcting the lyrics the first time... Since then, I've re-verified that "my" lyrics were in fact completely accurate, and again, they're properly formatted per wiki editing rules... So the fact that this 'member' ignored your earlier conversation, and my previous correspondence (where even he admitted he found no fault w/ my lyrics, aside from 1 single spelling error)... Clearly, he did this out of sheer spite & vitriol... and he cares far less about Accurate Lyrics, than he does about being the one who "Created the page because it proves he's their biggest & most devoted fan". (something I don't give a crap about - I just want people to have access to accurate lyrics)

Thanks for your time... and sorry, I did try making this short.

Christien L 07:42, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

PS - I had another issue I needed help with, regarding an error I was getting; but it's settled, so, never mind the (original) first paragraph, if you already read it (which I just deleted)

Christien L 09:21, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I've tried to find what you were talking about, but according to his edits, he didn't do any edits to those pages since May, 2nd. Your edits are from today, so I think you refer to them. But well, keep me updated when something strange happens again. I'll revise the edits and versions then and talk to the user. Thanks Smile
But I saw that admin Senvaikis downgraded some pages back to Bronze or so. I hope you've already found out why by now, but in case you didn't: the reason is that the songs did not 100% match the criteria for Gold yet, just almost. The criteria can be found here: LyricWiki:Page ranking, or shortly LW:PR (leads to the same page). Take this page as example: The Dreaming:What Do You Want. To be golden, this song needs:
  • All information (especially the parameters in the footer) filled in (where applicable, you can't do anything if a song has no musicbrainz page for example)
  • The link to the wikipedia page, via {{WP-Song}} badge (given that a Wikipedia page exists, in this case it doesn't, I'll get to this case 4 bullets later)
  • A "Credits" section below the lyrics (example)
  • A watcher (that would be you, you said you added them to your watchlist)
  • The lyrics have to be certified by someone (likely you)
  • Everything has to be documented on the talk page. The setup is easy: click on the white "Talk" button, and click on "Add topic". You'll see some filled in code. Don't change anything yet other than the proper star colour (as you want gold, replace "Green" with "Gold"). Then save the page. Now select "Edit" again from the dropdown; the code will now look different, the saving makes the middle part of the code expand to full content, called "substitution". Now you can fill in the parameters like album, audio, video and so on. Use "done" if you could add it, otherwise "not applicable" if you couldn't find it. Attention: "unknown" is not acceptable for rank "Gold" anymore, you have to search the information, and either it's there or not applicable like the missing Wikipedia page (you're not supposed to create a Wikipedia page, you know Grin). Last but not least you replace the Cert-comment with the {{Cert}} template (reference on the template page), and also replace the comment in the {{Watcher}} template with your name. This officially states that you are watching that page. If you don't, the page does not have a watcher, and it's not possible to rank a song higher than Bronze (yeah that's annoying, I know, but it's the rules).
I hope I could make it clear what's missing for the Gold rank, but as you said that the lyrics are correct and you will watch the pages, you've got those parts out of the way. If you need further help with the ranking, feel free to ask again here. But nevertheless I recommend to read the Help:Page ranking/Songs page now, too, because it's described there in a more detailed manner, I think.
Chris 16:30, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
P.S.: By "changing 'my preferences'" you mean what exactly? You needn't change the preferences to watch pages, you can use the "Follow" link at the bottom of the page (in that sticky bar). You'll see the changes on your "watchlist" (in case you didn't know already anyways Wink).


Yeah, I saw the Star downgrades - I asked him about it & he responded; but thanks for the info all the same.
Yes, I was referring to his last edits (May 2)... I had not been back to the page since I stopped Creating & Editing the pages... due to the fact that I just didn't want to deal with his ("Salzion") b.s. anymore. __ I've been meaning to go back and finish the job - but I'd already started on "Drowning Pool" & wanted to finish that stuff first...
When I got to The Dreaming page, I immediately noticed that nearly all of the (corrected) Lyrics that I'd posted, and many of the misc. Metadata for each individual page, had literally been reverted back to it's original state.... Original Lyrics, Original (Green) Star, Missing Album & Link info, etc. etc. ___ That's what I was referring to -- He'd clearly done this just to be a pain in the butt & to try & further pi$$ me off. (as I would have to Re-Edit & Re-Fill all that info, all over again.) ___ Hopefully, he won't try it again -- but, it's not even been 12 Hours since I finished... so it's too soon to tell.
Thanks for the info... (oh, and I had to change "my preferences" because I'd selected a while back, that I didn't want to receive emails when changes to pages I'm following are made --- and back then, I was using a now, closed, Gmail email account --- which is why I needed to update my address.)
I'll let you know if he goes back to his old tricks... I sure hope not, 'cause doing all that ONCE takes too much friggin' time!
Christien L 18:48, June 11, 2012 (UTC)


Jesus Christ man... I feel like I've just been bitch-slapped... and the worst part is -- I have no freaking idea why! (and because I know his temper, I did everything possible to PREVENT it)
I honestly tried to make as much sense out of this as I could; but with each message, things just got more diluted, to the point where I can't even tell what the heck is going on anymore.
LOL, and considering he's an Admin, and prone to needing anger-management therapy... (and the fact that I don't have the patience for drawn-out b.s. like this)... I was polite, and for the lack of a better term, kissed his freaking ass more or less -- and still, he went nuts on me.
Please try & make sense out of this for me... I don't understand what his problem is with the "versions"... I don't understand what he's even talking about half the time in general (he's literally referencing conversations I allegedly had with other people, that Never took place -- referencing "versions" ('EP' vs 'Pre-Op', when there is no such "version", etc. etc.)... and I certainly can't understand why he's going off the handle & trying to bitch-slap me online, for no reason.

I'm sorry to dump this on you... really. I honestly have no clue what his problem is. Christien L 22:53, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
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