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  • I live in Aachen, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
  • I was born on October 14
  • My occupation is Software Developer
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==Awesome, thanks!==
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== Working link ==
I honestly didn't expect [[Rise Against:The Unraveling (2001)|The Unraveling]] to be Album of the Week, but you made it happen! Thanks, that made my day when I saw that!
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I left it unlinked because the actual categories replace "Template Name" with the first param... [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 16:22, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
[[User:MilesPrower32|MilesPrower32]] 03:02, April 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
==SOTD March 05, 2011==
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:Ah, okay, sorry. I thought you didn't want the template page to appear in that category and had forgotten about the colon method. Personally I don't think that this replacing is ''that'' clever though. The following paragraph is the conclusion of all my theoretical thoughts about categories in LyricWiki, thoughts I had when I was designing the theoretical T-Line drafts:
Hi [[User:LWChris|Chris]]! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of ''[[Fatboy Slim:Brimful Of Asha (Norman Cook Remix)]]'' has won '''[[LyricWiki:Song of the Day|Song of the Day]]''' for March 05, 2011!<br/>Thanks for [[LyricWiki_talk:Song of the Day|nominating a song]] and for contributing to LyricWiki!<br/>-[[User:ÜberBot|ÜberBot]] 08:00, March 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== Need German help please! ==
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=== A short essay about our categories ===
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:There are three types of categories that LyricWiki has: 1) System categories, 2) organizing categories and 3) Maintenance categories.
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:1) is really easy, it's the categories like [[:Category:Song]] that are necessary to make something (in this case the random links) work. They are usually sensibly grouping pages together, however they are not actually meant to be used by users to find contents.
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:2) are also grouping pages together, but they are meant to organize the large number of pages in a way that users can search target-oriented and find pages by attributes. The pages are intended to stay in the categories.
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:3) they are grouping pages that have a certain problem in common. Opposed to 2) these categories are watched all the time, usually only by admins or at least experienced users. The target is to keep them empty (that is a very important difference).
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:That said, it might be clear where I'm heading with this: while it is ''good'' to split the category tree of 2) into very fine branches*, we should aim for as few as possible 3). As I said the target is to keep them empty, so by default every page in maintenancr categories of the same type is equally important. A large number of 3) results in problems like the {{lw|Category:Requests For Edits/Accented Characters|accented character categories}}; formerly it was sensible to differentiate by language, so people could pick the pages of languages they knew. Meanwhile, a bot (I think it's Senvaikis' Lwt) is silently updating the reported pages with anew copied lyrics that do not contain the errors any more. Right now, one has to watch 43 categories to monitor accent errors. If someone enters any other language, the error might not be seen at all. The same would apply for the IncludeGuard categories. We generate a dozen of categories that we have to monitor although they are ideally all empty and thus all would be equally important. If a page contains a duplicate template, the person fixing that should ''know'' which one it is.
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:I'd also be happier if we had one "invalid parameter" category per template-type (header, footer, flagging, info) opposed to [[:Category:Invalid Template Parameters|one category per paremeter]]. The sortkey could be filled with the parameter name so that only a few parameters have to be checked if a page appears in "Invalid parameter in Footer".
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:<nowiki/>* One addition about the fineness of the category branches: sometimes our template system overdoes it; typical examples for too fine sifting are the categories about [[:Category:Award|award winners]] that are grouped by the years, because typically each year has only one winner.
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:-[[User:LWChris|Chris]] 17:20, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
   
My German is really rough and working this out is beyond me ... please help!
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::Funny; just after I hit the publish button I thought that this might not have been one of my better ideas. Changed it now to a single category (sorry, couldn't think of a better name).
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::Good point about reducing the number of maintenance cats; I suppose they've just grown organically. Easier (short-term) to add more cats to existing ones than to reorganize the whole litter.
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::Awards: I always thought that the by-year lists would be better off as just that (i.e. lists) than cats, but never got round to fixing it (and probably won't for the next few weeks). — [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 19:16, July 3, 2013 (UTC)
   
'''In Extremo:Herzensglut (2007)''' isn't linked to the artist page and Google doesn't turn up much. The album doesn't show in any discography that I can see for [[In Extremo]]. I found [http://forum.inextremo.de/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4033 this] but my German isn't anywhere near good enough to figure out what they're talking about. It seems that at least one person thinks it's a fake ("dann glaub ich, dass das ein Fake ist"), but I can't work out what the person after that says. If it is a fake, do they know who it really is? {{emo|please}} [[User:Eeepy|Eeepy]] 08:11, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
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== Couple questions, old friend... ==
   
:Nothing conclusive there, I'm afraid; just speculation and theorising, though the general consensus is that it's probably fake. One line of argument is that Subway to Sally had just released a song called Herzensglut, so IE wouldn't release an album with the same title… BTW, have you noticed the link in the very first post? ;-)
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'''Question #1:''' I'm adding info to some of {{lw|Vast}}'s tracks. One of their albums was available as both a retail version ({{lw|Vast:April (2006)|April}}) & as a digital download ({{lw|Vast:April Online Version (2006)|April Online Version}}). The versions are different. So, when I put the headers on each track, do I label the online version as a digital download, a download album, an online album, or what? For example:
:I was about to suggest asking [[user:hfs|hfs]], who created the album page, but (s)he probably just copied the tracklist from the artist page. (The IP who created the song pages also added the tracklist.) None of the lyrics appear to be new either; those I checcked on Google are traditional songs. I'd say delete the whole bunch… or is one of the songs real? — [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 08:41, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
::[http://www.vertigo.fm/in-extremo/releases/ Not listed]. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 15:02, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
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<pre>{{Song|April (2006)|Vast|album2=April Online Version (2006)|type2=online album|star=Bronze}}</pre>
::Forum quote from a band member:
 
::''"Hallo und Guten Morgen allerseits! Wir schreiben zwar gerade neue Songs aber ein "Herzensglut" wird definitiv nicht dabei sein. Eine neue CD werden wir auch erst 2008 veröffentlichen. Ich hoffe ich konnte das Rätsel halbwegs lösen... Viele Grüße von Lutter"''
 
::''"Hi and good morning everyone! Thus we're currently writing new songs, there is definitely no one amongst them that'll be called "Herzensglut". A new CD won't be released before 2008, too. I hope I could solve the confusion... Greetings from Lutter"''
 
::Let's delete this album, it's the result of a mistake. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 15:09, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:::Thank you, both of you, for the help. I can't find any of the songs on that album linked to any other page by [[In Extremo]], so I think they're all garbage. I'd be more inclined to just redirect the album and songs to [[Unknown Artist]] and then they won't reappear if [[User:Lwt]] decides to readd them or some bright spark decides they've found a "new" song. What do you think?
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'''Question #2:''' It feels weird labelling a song a cover that was co-written by two artists, but recorded by the other 1st. Two Examples of this would be {{lw|Carly Simon:You Belong To Me}}/{{lw|The Doobie Brothers:You Belong To Me}} & {{lw|The Go-Go's:Our Lips Are Sealed|The Go-Go's:Our Lips Our Sealed}}/{{lw|Fun Boy Three:Our Lips Are Sealed}}. Isn't there something else we can do for cases like this?
:::What really annoys me about this album is that usually I can find something like this credited to some other band, but I can't even figure out where the track list comes from.
 
:::Yes, I did notice the link in the first post and I clicked on it to see if it redirected (it did) - when lyricwiki was still a .org {{emo|:)}}
 
:::I'm starting to suspect that [[User:6 times 9|6×9]] is a cyborg who can speak/read any language. {{emo|;)}} [[User:Eeepy|Eeepy]] 23:59, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:::::{{small|I can ''read'' any language that's in a Latin-based alphabet… ''understanding'' is a different matter ;-) I'm only fluent in German and English, I'm afraid. — [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 08:49, March 13, 2011 (UTC)}}
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''(I'm sure my questions are answered somewhere, but it's difficult to search when my sight is not totally back yet.)'' [[User:BeatriceBlue|BeatriceBlue]] ([[User talk:BeatriceBlue|talk]]) 05:40, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
   
::::::{{small|Ditto. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 15:22, March 13, 2011 (UTC)}}
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:Sorry to step on Chris's toes, but I happened to see this, and I do have opinions about the answers to both...
   
::::@Eeepy: considering ''theoretical'' Lwt's inability to add any album or song, having no reference to mb, amz, iT or dog, I'm just curious - can you point me at least one such garbagging example? --{{User:Senvaikis/Signature}} 15:51, March 12, 2011 (UTC)
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:'''Answer #1:''' In a case like that, it shouldn't be separate album pages; there should just be one page for the album ''April,'' with both track lists (because the track lists are so different -- if it were the more common case of the online version having a couple of bonus tracks, then there needs to only be one track list plus the bonus tracks).
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:Then, for a song that's on both the CD and the digital release, you only need to list the album once.
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:For a song that's only on the digital release (for example), you can identify it like this:
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:<nowiki>{{Song|April (2006)|Vast|type=digital release of the album|star=Bronze}}</nowiki>
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:That makes the text read: "...appears on the digital release of the album ''April (2006)''"
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:If we were talking about an album that were ''only'' released digitally, I would see no reason to identify it as anything other than just "album" on the song page -- no need to do "type=digital album" or "type=online album" or anything like that.
   
:::::@Sen: I'm not saying Lwt makes up crap: my understanding was that Lwt trawls for lyrics on other sites and adds them. Therefore, the problem (as I understand it) is not Lwt, it's people in Internetland who make up junk. That was my understanding of why we redirect pages rather than delete them. If that's not how it works, then just ignore me. [[User:Eeepy|Eeepy]] 00:16, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
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:'''Answer #2:''' Doesn't matter -- they're still cover songs, and the definition of what constitutes a "cover song" is based on the performances of the song (and when they were released), with no real regard for the writers. I note in that first example you gave, the writers are not "The Go-Go's" and "Fun Boy Three," the writers are Jane Wiedlin and Terry Hall. The fact that one of the writers was a member of the Go-Go's and one of the writers was a member of the Fun Boy Three is incidental to the "cover song" concept.
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:That kind of thing seems to me to be an example of potentially interesting music trivia, rather than something that has to specifically be called out on the page by treating them differently than other cover songs. I think it's pretty much handled by listing the writers under the Credits heading below the lyrics, as well as the Wikipedia link if applicable. [[User:Trainman|Trainman]] ([[User talk:Trainman|talk]]) 06:28, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
   
;[[User:ÜberBot|ÜberBot]] by [[User:Sean Colombo|Sean Colombo]]
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::'''#1:''' Copy that. I'd recommend to merge both tracklistings on one page with {{tl|h4}} headers, and then either use
:Crawls a bunch of lyrics sites for lyrics that haven't been added to LyricWiki
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::*<nowiki>{{Song|April (2006)|Vast|star=Bronze}}</nowiki> for a song on both versions,
:Tries to find lyrics for requested pages
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::*<nowiki>{{Song|April (2006)|Vast|type=retail version of the album|star=Bronze}}</nowiki> for a song only on the retail album, or
:Handles [[LyricWiki:Song of the Day|SOTD]] tasks
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::*<nowiki>{{Song|April (2006)|Vast|type=digital release of the album|star=Bronze}}</nowiki> for a song only on the digital release.
;[[User:Lwt|Lwt]] by [[User:Senvaikis|Senvaikis]] ''(also runs under his account)''
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::'''#2:''' I'm not sure I got that correctly. But if a songwriter writes a song for a different band and later covers this song with his own band, that's still a cover. {{emo|:)}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 16:38, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
:Tidies up pages (format lyrics, determine language, fix template parameters)
 
:Added/still adds or enhances parameters for most external links
 
:Performs a wide range of different serial edits
 
:''&rarr; Most powerful edit tool around''
 
:''Not a bot but a semi-automatic program; we call that "cyborg"''
 
;[[User:LYRIC-Janitor|Janitor]] by [[User:LYRIC-Teknomunk|teknomunk]] / [[User:Sean Colombo|Sean Colombo]]
 
:Adds [[Special:LonelyPages|orphaned pages]] to the artists' "Other songs" sections
 
;[[User:GracenoteBot|GracenoteBot]]
 
:Takes down existing pages that are not licensed
 
:Creates the pages where unlicensed lyrics could be located
 
:Protects the pages
 
:Restores pages that have been taken down but are licensed now
 
;([[User:LWChris|Me]])
 
:Performed a small range of serial edits with Greasemonkey scripts
 
:''Not a bot but supported by semi-automatic scripts''
 
:''Firefox/Greasemonkey combination as a kind of cyborg tool''
 
   
::There you go, I had no idea what I was talking about {{emo|:P}}. [[User:ÜberBot|ÜberBot]] is the dude I meant! {{emo|:)}} Thanks for that Chris, really good collection of info.
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:::I love you both! Thank you. - [[User:BeatriceBlue|BeatriceBlue]] ([[User talk:BeatriceBlue|talk]]) 19:01, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
   
::So after all that, what does that mean for the fake album for [[In Extremo]] that started this? Delete or redirect? I can't delete so it's up to you guys. [[User:Eeepy|Eeepy]] 08:03, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
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::::Trainman, did you hear that? She loves us both! She's two-timing both of us! {{emo|:'(}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 23:54, August 7, 2013 (UTC)
   
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==Formatting National Anthems==
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Hey Chris,
   
:::I'd delete it. What you think, Senv, 6? - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 23:12, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
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you (and anyone else) wanna comment on my suggestions [http://lyrics.wikia.com/LyricWiki_talk:Lists/National_Anthem here]? Thanks! {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} 11:35, August 9, 2013 (UTC)
::::Deletion. If ÜmlautBöt re-adds them later, we can still redirect/move to [[Unknown Artist]]. — [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 05:22, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::::Agree--{{User:Senvaikis/Signature}} 07:19, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
::::::{{User:LWChris/Done}} 18:57, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
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::-> [[User:Lichtweber/National_Anthem:Phantasialand|worst case scenario]] ;) {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} 12:04, August 13, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Spam? ==
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== Question Regarding Hymns and Christmas Songs ==
   
Hi Chris!
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Hi. I posted this on another admin's talk page, and he suggested that I ask another admin...so here it goes....
   
What's that? To me it looks like spam!
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:Hello there. I've been trying to edit a bunch of Christmas songs and other hymns, and I noticed that there isn't a consistent system for handling these. Some people use {{lw|Traditional}} and some people use {{lw|Unknown}} and some people use {{lw|Christmas Song}}, while others use {{lw|Christmas Songs 2}}. However, I don't think that any of those labels should be used when we know the person who wrote the lyrics. I think the author of the lyrics should be the original artist, and all these other pages should redirect to those pages, but I wanted to check with an admin. If we don't know the author of the lyrics, then I think that {{lw|Traditional}} should be used. What are your thoughts?
   
[[五月天:私奔到月球]]
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:Many of the people who wrote Christmas hymns also wrote hymns that are sung all year round -- the two biggest are Isacc Watts and Charles Wesley. I have several hymnals, so I can look to see the credit information of each of these songs to assure that we get the correct lyric writer for a given song.
   
MfG, --[[User:Ignor-the-ant|Ignor-the-ant]] 14:02, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
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:'''If Original Lyric Author Is Known''':
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:So, my thought is this:
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:Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name
   
:Hi, no, this is no spam, it's a song (Googled the last line). However, I can't figure out its name, so I'll delete it with the reason "bad pagename". - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 16:00, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
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:Then, other pages would be created that would redirect to the above, just in case someone searched for it under another heading. So...if it was a Christmas hymn, I would suggest this:
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:Traditional:Song Name (redirects to Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name)
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:Christmas Song:Song Name (redirects to Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name)
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:Unknown:Song Name (redirects to Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name )
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:Hymn:Song Name (redirects to Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name )
   
== Cant wait ==
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:'''If Original Lyric Author Is Not Known:'''
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:Traditional:Song Name
   
i just read your blog and i'm very curious to know what your cookin up?
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:Then, other pages would be created that would redirect to the above, just in case someone searched for it under another heading. So...if it was a Christmas hymn, I would suggest this:
[[User:Prenticejl|Prenticejl]] 03:33, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
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:Christmas Song:Song Name (redirects to Traditional:Song Name)
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:Unknown:Song Name (redirects to Traditional:Song Name )
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:Hymn:Song Name (redirects to Traditional:Song Name )
   
:Hey Prenticejl,
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:That makes sense to me, but if you think that it should be different, let me know what you think would be better.
:First of all, it is awesome someone actually reads my blogposts to see what the admins and especially I are/am working on here at LyricWiki. {{emo|^^}}
 
:The project was released the day before yesterday: it's my (first) extension [[Special:SOTD]], a monster-PHP page to add, edit and manage nominations for our [[LyricWiki:Song of the Day|Song of the Day]]. I've been working on it for two months now and I'm so excited it actually works! 14 nominations were submitted so far, and I hope for many more. So if you have a favourite song that hasn't been SOTD yet, feel free to [[Special:SOTD|nominate it]], I'm happy about every new nomination! Thanks for your interest, you motivate me to blog a bit more and finally do all my other projects I mentioned in the [[User blog:LWChris/Work delays|"Work delays" post]]. {{emo|yay}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 03:50, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== New SOTD page ==
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:Also, would it be possible to create a page where hymns on the site could be listed so people could find them, but they would be listed under their original author. I don't know if this would work as a list I would need to have in my space, or a parameter would do this, that would be displayed by the site, etc. Or how would I go about doing this? Would I just create a list?
   
Love the new SOTD! It's a lot easier than the old one - great work! {{emo|:D}} [[User:Eeepy|Eeepy]] 09:02, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
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:The same for Christmas songs.
:Yay, thanks a lot {{emo|yay}}. It's pretty successful, too! In a few days more nominations than I need for April. Hopefully it remains so attractive! {{emo|:)}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 10:28, April 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
::Yes, it's much more wonderful. Thank you. [[User:Lyricserver|Lyricserver]] 17:08, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
:::Thanks! {{emo|proud}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 22:53, April 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== [[User:Lyricserver|Lyricserver]]'s input on star colors/rankings ==
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:Some songs are both hymns and Christmas songs.
   
Hi. I know you're busy but I just wanted to give you some of my input as to the page rankings as they are now.
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:What are your thoughts? Thanks. --[[User:Arwen4CJ|Arwen4CJ]] ([[User talk:Arwen4CJ|talk]]) 00:54, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
My favorite thing to do here on LyricWiki is to go to a random song on my random mp3 list and gather the lyrics here on LW and save them to my compy for future reference.
 
   
This in mind, I also like to ''correct'' lyrics (certify) and add the additional info found via main Wikipedia on the song page there and transfer the info to the song page here (add credits section, add youtube video, etc...). It's a benefit for me because now I would have the lyrics to my song & it's a benefit for LW because I add more info and increase the song's rankings.
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::I want to add something else. The reason I suggest identifying hymns (including Christmas hymns) by the lyric author is because some people use different tunes for the same song, and there is often more than one hymn that uses the same tune. So identifying songs by the lyric writer would eliminate confusion. Also, this is a lyric site, so searching by the author of the lyrics makes sense. --[[User:Arwen4CJ|Arwen4CJ]] ([[User talk:Arwen4CJ|talk]]) 00:56, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
   
I, however, do not like to "watch". I have other things to do besides watch & babysit song pages. I don't mind certifying them, that's for sure. I have to do that anyway, but to "watch/follow" a song page, well that's different. And there's my dilemma.
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::I'm not sure about whether you are talking of "author" because you want to differentiate between "author" and "artist" as "writer" and "performer", or if you meant "artist" all along.
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::I'll use "artist" because LW is artist based, not lyricists based. If you meant to distinguish between artist and author, we need to talk again.
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::Of course, if the original artist is known, the song should be placed where it belongs, i. e. Artist:Song, like {{lw|Wham!:Last Christmas}}. However I don't think it's a good idea to put everything else at "Traditional". "Traditional" reads like "This song is hundreds of years old and is well known to everyone, but nobody knows who composed it." which implies there's no chance to identify an artist. Imagine someone who didn't know who performed "Last Christmas" would add the lyrics - it'd be "Traditional:Last Christmas". What I like about the "Unknown:" prefix is that it makes clear that you can possibly identify the artist and move the page. "Unknown:" has a sort of "needs some work" feeling, whereas "Traditional:" reads like "don't even try" to me, you know?
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::Futhermore I'm not so sure about the benefit of "Hymn:" redirects. Personally I've never heard the term "Christmas Hymn", and as we have no page that uses "Hymn:" so far it appears to me that "hymn" might be how some people see some songs and how they call them informally. It seems to be subjective which songs are hymns and which aren't. The only term I have ever heard of is "Christmas Carol". But anyway we should not use the prefix to group songs of different artists together - that's what categories are for.
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::The real problem about the "Unknown" page is that there's nobody who tidies it up. The system itself is quite fine, it just lacks a person who is eager to tidy up, a person who "adopts" the page and spends a ridiculous amount of time to identify the artists of the songs listed there. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 19:45, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
   
You see, I may certify a song, add the ((WP-Song)) link to it, add the ((Youtube embed)) link, put the ((cover/cover2)) & all the other song badges, add the '''Credits''' section and complete the ((Star Box)) list so it's all done, the most ranking the song can have is a [[Image:StarIconBronze.png|20px]] Bronze. All it would need is a "watcher" to make it a [[File:StarIconGold.png|20px]] Gold. Bronze to Gold for just one criteria is a bit much, in my opinion, but that's what I've been doing so far. It's kind of disappointing to see all that hard work amount to a little reward.
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:::Hi. Thank you for responding to this. I actually posted this message on another admin Talk Page, too. I wasn't sure which one of you would answer first [[User talk:6 times_9#Question_Regarding_Hymns_and_Christmas_Songs]]. I don't know if you want to have the main discussion there or here. Feel free to move it to that Talk Page, if you think that would be more appropriate. I will answer your questions, though :)
   
I know you and the other admins have been talking about the page rankings. I personally like the inclusion of the unverified vs. certified ranking, but I don't know much about the implementation of it. And I just wanted you (all admins) about how I feel about the "watching" situation. I also know I'm just one person, but sometimes that's just enough. :)
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:::First, let me explain what hymns are. Hymns are songs that are sung in church services and found in hymnals -- most of them are older, although there are modern ones, too. ''Amazing Grace'', ''Crown Him With Many Crowns'', ''Nothing But The Blood'', ''Joy To The World'', ''Silent Night'', ''It Came Upon A Midnight Clear'', ''Hark! The Herald Angels Sing'', ''The First Noel'', etc are all hymns. I can look up these songs in the hymnals that I own and find them. And, yes, many Christmas Carols are hymns, but not all of them. There are secular Christmas carols too (songs that have to do with Santa Claus). Songs talking about Santa Claus are not hymns. :)
   
Once again, thank you Chris for all the things you've accomplished as well as Senvaikis, 6x9 & all the other admins. All your hard work on this site shows.<br>
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:::[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hymn]]
/soapbox :)<br>
 
[[User:Lyricserver|Lyricserver]] 07:12, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:Hey Lyricserver,
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:::If the song is a Christmas song about Jesus or is based on the Bible, it's a Christmas hymn and carol.
:thanks for your input. I already posted the message on the [[LyricWiki talk:Administrators Portal|Administrators Portal]]. I know that watching-problem, too. I do not like to watch pages, either, so they are stuck at Bronze. I don't know, I'd usually say we could introduce some parameter or template to mark these songs that are just missing a watcher for the upgrade to gold. But I don't think that'll do much about the problem, because those who are watching now are already those who look into "Category:Bronze ...", and those who did not watch by now won't do it then. I also think a user cannot really "watch" more than 200 pages, they are changed too often for that. For our size, it'd need hundreds of watching users...
 
:I wrote this post over a very long time, and I personally have a really weird idea: A special page where you can add songs to some kind of "passive watchlist". You add the pages there and every time you visit that special page again you are identified by your username and the changed pages are shown and you can visit them. You have to actively visit that page and won't be notified, so your real [[Special:Watchlist|watchlist]] isn't cluttered up like it was with the usual watch-feature. Might as well be a useful extension for other projects. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 16:22, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== Japanese songs ==
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:::If the song is not about Jesus, but is instead about Santa, winter, snow, decorating, etc., it isn't a hymn, but would be a carol. Songs like ''Jingle Bells'', ''Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer'', ''White Christmas'', ''Deck The Halls'', ''We Wish You a Merry Christmas'', ''Here We Come a Wassailing'', ''O Christmas Tree'', etc., then it is just a carol.
A few of your edits in the past mistakenly marked some fLetter=Symbol songs as fLetter=Japanese, such as [[Wonderwall:(One More) Song For You]]. See [[:Category:Songs Japanese]]. There are also some other songs that don't belong in that category, as well (but do belong in [[:Category:Language/Japanese]]). --[[User:Geopgeop|Geopgeop]] 00:28, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
:Oh thanks a lot, I'll check the categories. Okay, just as explanation: the edit was performed by a combination of two independent scripts. One was TouchFix, the other was a script to fix the fLetter=Symbol problem for non-latin-based scripts. [http://lyrics.wikia.com/index.php?title=Category:Songs_Symbol&from=%C0 Look here to see what I mean]. The latter mentioned script has different modes of fixes: A) replace "Symbol" with the first letter, B) replace "Symbol" with a predefined word. I usually enable that script when I fix the category and disable it again afterwards. Seems as if it remained enabled after one session. Thanks again, I'll look after it. All the fLetter categories need a check anyway. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 00:46, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
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:::Is that clear?
   
::By the way, I just whipped up a TOC template using [[wikipedia:Gojūon|gojūon]] order for [[:Category:Songs Japanese]] (and maybe [[:Category:Language/Japanese]]), sitting ready at [[:User:Geopgeop/Template:CatHiragana]]. This would probably help in navigating through those categories better. Would making this into a real template and having it put in those categories be ok? Or is there still some editing needed, like including katakana as well? Maybe a better template name, like Template:CatKana? Eventually, in actual song pages, for example, I'd like to see something like <nowiki>{{DEFAULTSORT:ひかり}}</nowiki> or hiraganaSong=ひかり in the SongFooter for the entry [[宇多田ヒカル (Hikaru Utada):光]] (Hikari). --[[User:Geopgeop|Geopgeop]] 11:34, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
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:::If no one else would be interested in seeing list of hymns, I would -- as I would like to keep track of covers of hymns and such, so I could create a list of them just for me, but I would need help with setting it up, as I've never created a list on here before.
   
:::I added the template, it was only missing the category which I included. See, I don't know much about Japanese, so I cannot judge at all which enhancements are necessary to make the category usable. If you want to make a template for Katakana, name it CatKatakana, so everyone knows what it is for. We could then make a third, combined template to show both. But it is absolutely sensible to split both scripts into two different templates to keep them independent. About <tt>hiraganaSong</tt> - I don't know if it is a good idea to introduce even more parameters in SongFooter. It already is a really mighty and complex code (of course, as we are pressing all languages of the whole world into one template. IMO it slowly becomes evident that this was a bad idea, it should be split up into the external links core and do the rest by subtemplates like {{tl|ArtistHeader}} does...)
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:::Okay, I think you and I are agreed upon what Traditional means :) And that is exactly my point. If we know who wrote the songs, which we do for many of these hymns -- for example, I can look in my hymnal and see that Isaac Watts wrote the lyrics to Joy To The World. Therefore, I think the song should be listed at Isaac Watts:Joy To The World rather than Traditional:Joy To The World. However, other people disagree with me, which is why I wanted to bring this up.
:::So first I don't know whether adding even more parameters to fill in is good for the template and the users that have to work with it. Secondly, does really everybody know how to break down 光 into ひかり? I see that this is just splitting the letter/word/sign/graph(?) into the spoken syllables an then use the letters for the syllables, and it seems basic, but does everybody know how to? Is it maybe even ascertainable by <tt>romanizedSong</tt>? - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 14:53, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
The problem with using <tt>romanizedSong</tt> is that there is more than one way to romanize a reading. 東京 has only one hiragana reading, とうきょう, but can be romanized as Tokyo (normal), but also as Tohkyoh, Toukyou, Tōkyō (with the macrons), Tookyoo, etc. We can remove the ambiguity by sorting by hiragana instead of romanization for Japanese songs.
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:::Yes, I see what you are saying about Unknown vs. Traditional. This is why we really need to discuss it. Some people think that if a song is in the public domain, it should be named Traditional:Song. But if we know the author, then that makes no sense to me.
   
I think this discussion should be brought up with the [[LyricWiki:Japan]] group. --[[User:Geopgeop|Geopgeop]] 02:52, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
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:::Thanks for your response:) --[[User:Arwen4CJ|Arwen4CJ]] ([[User talk:Arwen4CJ|talk]]) 20:49, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
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::::I guess, I am this "someone", so I have to say it again: Please '''read carefully'''!
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::::I wrote: "'''all others''' (imo): various artists '''EXEPT''' you have a specific '''recording''' you want to list '''AND''' you can handle the outcome (i.e.: artist pages and such)."
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:::: I just don't want random songs appearing on one of the artist pages, I feel responsible for ( like {{lw|Friedrich Schiller}}). '''Handle the outcome!''' | @Chris: [[User_talk:Arwen4CJ#Classical_Pieces.2C_Hymns_and_Instrumental_Songs_-_Page_Names.2C_Credits|FYI]] {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} 22:15, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Beginner's Guide ==
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:::::Lichtweber,
;As reply to [[User_blog:L78lancer/Learning And Understanding Wikia Formatting]]
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:::::I wasn't meaning to attack you, as you aren't the only one with that view. I just meant there were differing opinions, which isn't a bad thing. And maybe I misunderstood what you were suggesting earlier, and maybe I haven't been clear either. I'm not talking about specific artist recordings, but rather the page that we are calling the original...the page that all other recordings are said to cover.
   
That's actually a pretty cool idea. Not sure where I'd start, but I'm game.
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:::::I'll use the example of Joy To The World again. A lot of artists have recorded it. Okay, so then what do we call the original one? Do we call it Isaac Watts:Joy To The World or do we call it Traditional:Joy To The World. That's the issue that I'm trying to work out. I think that it should be Isaac Watts:Joy To The World since he wrote the lyrics for it. But other people think it should be Traditional:Joy To The World because the song is in the public domain and a lot of people have covered it, etc.
   
[[User:L78lancer|L78lancer]] 22:02, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
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:::::And I'm trying to establish some system so that my mistake that I made earlier on {{lw|Friedrich Schiller}} doesn't happen again. --[[User:Arwen4CJ|Arwen4CJ]] ([[User talk:Arwen4CJ|talk]]) 23:38, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
   
:I'd suggest we first start to collect links to all help pages except for the template documentations, because the latter ones are always visible on the template pages, whereas all other helppages are cluttered between several namespaces and in different link-collections. I'm sure we won't include parts of them all later, but I'm thinking about a new help system, so I'll reuse that collection later. I started [[User:LWChris/Storage/5/1|here in my storage]]. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 01:54, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
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::::::Here is a summary of the discussion so far -- just to make sure that we are all understanding each other:
==SOTD April 25, 2011==
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::::::(If I have misunderstood or misrepresented anyone's opinion here, please correct me)
Hi [[User:LWChris|Chris]]! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of ''[[The Chemical Brothers:Hey Boy Hey Girl]]'' has won '''[[LyricWiki:Song of the Day|Song of the Day]]''' for April 25, 2011!<br/>Thanks for [[LyricWiki_talk:Song of the Day|nominating a song]] and for contributing to LyricWiki!<br/>-[[User:ÜberBot|ÜberBot]] 07:00, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
== Our buddy the Janitor ==
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::::::1.) I'm mostly asking about songs that are in the public domain -- Christmas songs and hymns, not specific recordings of these songs.
   
I remembered that there is a "-v" flag that turns [[User:LYRIC-Janitor|Janitor]] to verbose mode... it quickly became apparent that he was getting "hookaborted" on [[Control Machete]] due to some strange encoding. Just removed the weird encoding for now. If/when he gets jammed up again, there are some modifications I can make which can make him handle hookaborts better (ie: not get frozen by them).
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::::::2.) The main question is this: How do we name these pages? There are several different opinions on this, and there is inconsistency on LW. I think that all four of us in this discussion so far agree that we need to come up with a consistent system.
   
He's running right now, and seems to be tearing through numerous songs (because someone went through and cleared out a bunch of hard songs from [[Special:LonelyPages]] :D ... thanks!).
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::::::3.) Lichtweber and 6 Times 9 think that we should name all these pages Traditional:Name Of Song, regardless of whether or not we know who wrote the song.
   
So, fortunately, he's back in action. Haven't tested anything for fixing ArtistInfo or following redirects, but at least he's getting something done.
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::::::4.) LWChris and I think that if we know the writer of the song, they should be called Author:Name Of Song. LWChris thinks we should avoid naming a song Traditional, as that implies that we don't know the author, and we have no hope of ever knowing who wrote it, so he would prefer naming songs Unknown:Name Of Song, if we don't know who the author is.
   
Thanks for the help,<br/>
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::::::5.) Lichtweber wants to make sure that created on a given page would really belong to the author, and that we don't have random pages created that don't really belong on the artist page.
-[[User:Sean Colombo|Sean Colombo]] 04:03, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
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::::::'''Questions:'''
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:::::: 1. '''If''' we used the Traditional:Name Of Song, what guidelines should be followed for determining whether or not something is Traditional? In other words, when would we use Traditional, and when would we use the Name Of Author? How would we define "Traditional?" (There are additional questions which would follow, but let's answer these first)
   
== Youtube ==
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:::::: 2. '''If''' we used the Name Of Author, then what happens if historical sources do not know who wrote it? Should we then then use the name Traditional, or should we use the name Unknown? --[[User:Arwen4CJ|Arwen4CJ]] ([[User talk:Arwen4CJ|talk]]) 12:22, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
Hi Chris
 
   
I've seen that on many pages ''youtube'' was changed to ''youtube embed''.
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::At first: thank you for explaining what a hymn is (N.B.: you needn't explain it so extensively, I actually got it from "Hymns are songs that are sung in church services and found in hymnals").
So what's the difference between {{tl|youtube}} and {{tl|youtube embed}} ?
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::They, I want to add a correction to #4: I said it should be "Artist:Song". It should not be "Author:Song", if "author" means "writer of the lyrics". The LyricWiki page names are X:Y, whereas X refers to an ''artist'', i. e. a person or group who ''performed'' the song. If I write lyrics for an existing instrumental song, and I put the lyrics in a hymnal and 100 people in church sing it, it does not make me an artist. If I write a poem and someone else adds a melody so it can be sung, it does not make me an artist. That's the difference. A lyricist is not that kind of artist we are talking about when we say "Artist:Song", I think.
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::I think, these songs should be treated as "Hymn". I think you can compare them to national anthems and it is maybe a good idea to actually have them at "Hymn:Name" so that actual ''performances'' of that song (famous Gospel Choir recording, etc.) can reference the same page. "Hymn:" pages should be listed at "LyricWiki Lists/Hymns", which has a redirect at "Hymn". You'd be "responsible" for tidying up the page if [[User:LYRIC-Janitor|Janitor]] adds "Other Songs".
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::Performed songs with unknown artist should remain at "Unknown:", songs that are usually not "performed" (e. g. African traditional songs) should be "Traditional" as the description implies. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 22:29, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
--[[User:Ignor-the-ant|Ignor-the-ant]] 00:34, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
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:::Oh, okay -- thanks for correcting me on your position.
:{{tl|youtube}} is just a shortcut (aka redirect) to {{tl|youtube embed}}, the latter is the "real" template. — [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 05:19, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
Thanx! --[[User:Ignor-the-ant|Ignor-the-ant]] 14:31, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
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:::No problem -- I'd love to work on a hymn list and maintain it :)
   
::Thanks 6! In addition to that it might be interesting that the youtube-parameter for the {{tl|SongFooter}} is obsolete if {{tl|youtube embed}} is on the page, it sets the parameter automatically. We should mark the parameter deprecated for the new version of {{tl|SongFooter}} (if the new one is ever introduced, maybe as partial template (see some section above)). - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 21:47, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
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:::New questions -- what should I do with the existing Christmas song pages...should they be redirected to the hymn page, such as the ones that are at Traditional:Name Of Song? And what about the Christmas songs that are not hymns? --[[User:Arwen4CJ|Arwen4CJ]] ([[User talk:Arwen4CJ|talk]]) 23:15, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
:::@Chris: are you shure we ''should mark the (sf)parameter deprecated''? I'm not. There are some situations, when current eu2b version looks ridiculous or even ugly.
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::::I just want to point out that the above was my position, not a final decision. I need to read what 6x9 wrote, first, but I've got no time right now (it's 1:28 here and I have to go to work tomorrow). Will answer tomorrow. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 23:27, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
:::Say, I want to let you hear and enjoy a marvelous {{lw|Parov Stelar:Powder|Powder}} of Parov Stelar. But eu2b window doesn't fit into small lyrics box; moreover, it doesn't contain any real video, - just a static album cover image. So my intention to reduce this eu2b window to "only-audio-control" was natural. But such video-part hiding, as you understand, is far from being the best solution: it's zoom-dependant and, what's even worse - its volume control becomes unavailable then.
 
:::Resume: while eu2be doesn't have a real, controllable "audio-mode", sf.u2b deprecating would be precipitate, imo.
 
:::--{{User:Senvaikis/Signature}} 13:08, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
::::I see no serious reason to include the code and confuse users with 2 YouTube parameters, as the yt-link in SF is filled in automatically by {{tl|youtube}}. The page you linked to is a good example, too. Currently, the SF.yt param is empty, so no link is displayed. As soon as it gets removed from the page, {{tl|youtube}} template forwards its ID to the SF. But actually the link is completely obsolete when the player is present, because it includes the same functionality as the link (in case you did not find that out already: right click on the player -> "Watch on YouTube"; for videos you can also simply double-click on the "movie area"). - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 16:32, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
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:::::Right. No problem. Take as much time as you need. I assume that the final decision will be a joint decision that the admin make, and I understand that you guys are busy. --[[User:Arwen4CJ|Arwen4CJ]] ([[User talk:Arwen4CJ|talk]]) 00:57, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
:::::Um, right-click is all fine for Senv and you and me, but for the vast majority of users the right-click menu is disabled… — [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 18:14, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
::::::Is it? I thought the script applies to the default c-menu, not for the Flash rendered one. Mind that it only looks like a usual context menu but in fact is rooted in the embedded object. It works for me in IE, Opera, Safari, Chrome and of course for my loved Firefox {{red|♥}} {{emo|grin}} {{small|(they also have right-click enabled as soon as I'm logged in)}}. In IE 9, the margin is too big and the SOTD template is transparent. But we need to rework the whole CSS anyway, because besides the fact that we have 5 official css pages of which only two are in use, our CSS contains lots of deprecated and duplicated code for old skins. We should also start to use classes like .badge for the width, the colours, the border, ''the margin'' {{emo|;)}}, or other templates and put the CSS into the CSS pages. And while we're editing the templates, we could start to give unique HTML elements IDs (like a div surrounding the SongFooter).
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==Artist of the Month noms==
::::::I already did that for the main page, each section has its own ID, so you could add code to your stylesheet to hide certain areas like "view mainpage in" etc. And finally, we have to use the noprint class more often to make the printing results prettier. Still on my [[User blog:LWChris/Work delays|todo list]]. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 18:47, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
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So, looks like we're out of noms again, eh? I told you this would happen {{emo|:P}} With school starting and all, I can't write a nomination right now (nor do I want to right after mine was already AOTM in August) so could you possibly ask some other users to make some more noms that'll last us a few more months? Thanks in advance, man! [[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] ([[User talk:XxTimberlakexx|talk]]) 10:39, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
   
(edit conflict: as always, - two your posts while I was typing my own... :)) Ok, Chris, that's not the first time I suspect you don't 'listen' what I'm speaking about ;). Once more: sf.yt deprecating makes eu2b player ''the one and only'' possible way of linking to u2b. It wouldn't be bad if player had a managable "audio-mode" - minimized audio-track player control. While such mode is unavailable, we have only two choices for such cases as mentioned above: a) embed full-sized video, uglifying small lyrics boxes; or b) use pseudo-audio mode without volume control. I prefer the latter, though it's not perfect too, imo. That's why I expected to hear your opinion about ''that'', not about redundancy of yt parameters or about existence of eu2b context menu {{small|yes, I knew about it ;)}}. --{{User:Senvaikis/Signature}} 19:19, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
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:I'll remove the section. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 19:13, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
   
:I'm sorry Senv! I referred to this: {{quote|Senvaikis|are you shure we ''should mark the (sf)parameter deprecated''? I'm not. There are some situations, when current eu2b version looks ridiculous or even ugly.}}
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::Wait wait wait, what do you mean "remove the section"? Are you removing it entirely, or are you just removing it from the main page until we get another nomination? You were really vague there. Personally, I really hope it's not the former, because this site won't be as jazzy with only Song of the Day. It needs something more.
:But I think I now got what you meant: if we remove it, there's no way to make SF display the link without having one of both modes on the page, although there are situations when both players do not fit.
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::I don't know why you couldn't just ask some users for nominations like I suggested, though. [[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] ([[User talk:XxTimberlakexx|talk]]) 20:01, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
:About the small lyrics-box: maybe you want to [[User talk:6 times 9#.7B.7BInstrumental.7D.7D|read this]] or [[Duck Sauce:Barbra Streisand|look here]] for the approach that I've been coming up with, obviously only half a week before 6 had the same idea. =)
 
:About the player versions: I really don't mind seeing only one cover image while I'm listening to the song. And if it bothered my I could not use the link either, hence from my POV there's no problem with making also non-music videos visible. About the audio only mode: I rarely use the volume setting at YouTube, so I never missed it; usually, when you're listening to music, you do not have other music enabled, so you can use your system volume.
 
:Btw, I did not know that the audio-mode is just a resized video. And although it's zoom dependant, I'd like to say that it was a brilliant idea. I'll test some things that come across my mind to fix the zoom dependance. Maybe I am lucky =) - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 23:38, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
::If I understand Chris correctly, it's not the sf.yt ''link'' that will go away, just the ''parameter'' sf link would be created automatically via variable {{small|try saying that out loud :-)}}.
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:::[http://lyrics.wikia.com/Special:Contributions/LWChris?limit=20&target=LWChris As you can see] I removed [http://lyrics.wikia.com/Template:Main_Page?diff=prev&oldid=15795307 the section from the mainpage]. I asked some people to nominate their favourite artist, they didn't react. I tried to make up a nomination, but it's too hard to write the things I want to say in English. I'm also working from 8 a.m. til 8 p.m..
::About hiding/resizing: couldn't we just use css :hover to show the full-size video, even in audio-only mode, when the user points his mouse at it? [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 05:07, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
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:::I've no stats for you, but I think the main page is hardly visited anyways. I bet most come to any page by either a mobile app that displays lyrics to the current song, or by googling for certain lyrics. If some people come across the main pages, it's likely not a page they are going to read anyway.
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:::And I think the AOTW and AOTM projects showed that user generated content is deemed to be not-working-out by now. People use their smartphones to surf in the Internet, and I can fully understand that they don't want to type texts on a smartphone. People tweet 150 characters, people comment on videos like "lol" or "i watn 13 secons of my live bcak", people hit stupid "Like"/"+1"/"Thumbs up"/"Share"/"Post" buttons a hundred times a day. But next to nobody wants to write valuable texts that even contains wiki syntax which is a horror for smartphone users. I can tell from the SOTD that even 50 chars seems to be way too much for most of our users. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 20:25, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
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::::Well, that just sucks. So, are we going to cancel the short-lived Artist of the Month project too, now? If so, you should state that on [[LyricWiki:Artist of the Month|its page]]. You make a very good point, though. I think we'll be good with Song of the Day for a while, since it seems to be the only thing that's going strong on the main page, even if the majority of the noms are by IPs and you never know what to expect. The thing that's good with Song of the Day is that it doesn't have to be nearly as long as AOTW and AOTM noms had to be - so that's why I think it'll stay active for a long, long time.
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::::Nonetheless, thanks for trying a new project, at least - I thought it was a cool idea, but unfortunately, as you said, not a lot of people these days are eager to write a good, solid paragraph for a nomination. We tried, and we learned from the result that we probably shouldn't try this again. {{emo|:P}} [[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] ([[User talk:XxTimberlakexx|talk]]) 21:47, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
:::About Barbra: yes, I've seen that discussion and must say that now she looks much better :). Btw, let me ask one more not wholly off-topic question: would it be possible to make a template for such [http://screencast.com/t/EniVO0aW "embedded goear"] player, but without using [http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User:Senvaikis/global.js user.js]? I tried to make one, but didn't succeed :).--{{User:Senvaikis/Signature}} 11:58, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
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:Okay, well, I just put a notice on the Artist of the Month page since you didn't do it, saying that it has been put to an end. While I was at it, I moved all the recent AOTMs to the archive and also moved your nomination of ''D'' from months ago as AOTW to the archive as well. Should we remove the rest of what's on those pages, too? (e.g. the box that explains what AOTM is about) [[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] ([[User talk:XxTimberlakexx|talk]]) 23:58, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
:I also tried to, and I don't think That we can make a template unless we enable object and embed tags (which is not a very good idea), make an extension like for youtube (which is at least difficult) or insert your code into [[MediaWiki:Wikia.js]] if that is possible. But to be honest, I wonder: do you ''really'' think it's such a good idea to include it? The external goear player is ugly as hell and doesn't fit very well to the clear layout LW has. {{emo|blush}} We might use local.swf and add the "Powered by Goear.com" linked picture on our own after asking GoEar to do so. But I still think the player is way too space consuming for an audio-only player... - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 09:08, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
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::The reason I didn't do it is simply because it is not put to an end. I think we have tp stop with this "always or never" routine. We should display the section if we have an AOTM, and hide it if not. It's as simple as that. I've just not gotten to design the alternative section to display, like "What's your favourite artist? Care to introduce us? Want to accolade the artist page you worked on?" - something like that. Please don't get ahead of yourself by dismantling everything just because it's hidden from public view atm. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 23:22, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
   
::That's exactly what I'd like to have as an option actually - just a little custom "play/stop" controls, ''taking practically no space on the page'', - for both goear & u2b, if that would be possible. ...I knew it was and will remain some kind of fix-idea :). --{{User:Senvaikis/Signature}} 10:17, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
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:::You see, you never told me this. That whole thing you gave me about how people aren't willing to write paragraphs for nominations and how you worded your response made me think that you were getting rid of it for good.
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:But thanks for letting me know. Make sure to get to that alternative section when you get a chance :P I apologize for getting ahead of myself, by the way. [[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] ([[User talk:XxTimberlakexx|talk]]) 21:49, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Album Art ==
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::::I'm working 13 hours a day. I'm moving. I'm studying. All at the same time. I'm kind of busy at the moment, so I had no time to explain plans that I hadn't even thought over. For instance the idea of making the section optional was born some hours ''after'' you wrote. You said "are we going to cancel AOTM? If so, you should state it on the page." and two hours later you tore the page down. I'm not that fast with making up concepts, you know? {{emo|;)}}
Hi
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::::I just hid the section to make the main page look better, a quick thing that's easy to undo if needed.
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::::If you've got time to maintain the main page: the queue for SOTD is empty for days and I can't spend 3 hours to refill it now. Honestly, most of the nominations are lousy and need a lot of work before I can accept them (add video, add goear, correct typos, remove slang, remove cursing, sort out spam, check if already nominated)... - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 23:29, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
   
Could someone please explain to [[User:DiamondStarHalo|DiamondStarHalo]],how to ad ''Album Arts''? I'm not good in explaining. ;-)
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== Two different songs with the same title by the same artist ==
   
--[[User:Ignor-the-ant|Ignor-the-ant]] 04:24, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
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What do I do when an artist has written two completely different songs with the same name? I found that MercyMe has two different songs named Beautiful. One song is on a CD that I have, and one is on an older CD. Thanks. I know I'm going to have to create a different page for one of them, but what do I call it? --[[User:Arwen4CJ|Arwen4CJ]] ([[User talk:Arwen4CJ|talk]]) 22:55, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
:Thanks for the notice, I tried to explain it. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 05:43, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
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:Two options: if one of both songs is a lot better known than the other, put the better known on the page {{lw|MercyMe:Beautiful}} and add {{tl|WrongPage}} for {{lw|MercyMe:Beautiful (Disambiguation)}} with {{tl|Disambig}}. The other song goes to "MercyMe:Beautiful (Album Name)" and uses {{tl|WrongPage}}, too. If both are equally known, I'd put the {{tl|Disambig}} on {{lw|MercyMe:Beautiful}} and add the album name to both songs. You could also put the year in parenthesis, but I think more people will search for it with the album name, not the release year. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 23:24, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
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::Thank you. I would say the better known one is the version I have, as that is the Gracenotes version of it. However, to be safe, I'll include the album name so that it is clear which one it is. :) --[[User:Arwen4CJ|Arwen4CJ]] ([[User talk:Arwen4CJ|talk]]) 23:31, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
   
== Spam? ==
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:::I moved the {{tl|Disambig}} to {{lw|MercyMe:Beautiful}}; if the page with the correct name doesn't contain either of the songs, it may as well be the disambig page instead of an additional redirect, I think. At least the way {{tl|Disambig}} works makes me think this was intended, because the default is "PAGENAME may refer to:" and the pagename is only correct for the "X:Y" page itself, not on a "X:Y (Disambiguation)" page. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 23:34, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
Hi, me again!
 
   
I'm just checking the ''Star:Violet'' Category, changing the songs, where the accents were fixed, to ''Star:Bronze''. (Scheißarbeit! ;-) )
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:::Thanks for letting me know. That was my first attempt at creating a disambigution page. I'm still learning :) --[[User:Arwen4CJ|Arwen4CJ]] ([[User talk:Arwen4CJ|talk]]) 00:20, September 7, 2013 (UTC)
Then I wanted to add a {{tl|Accent|}} flag to the ones, where it wasn't done. But all I get is the following information:
 
   
Der Text, die du speichern willst, wurde vom Spamschutzfilter blockiert.
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== Genres4Songs==
Das liegt wahrscheinlich an einem Link auf eine externe Seite.
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Hey Chris, a [[User_talk:Senvaikis#Genres_for_Song_Pages.3F|question]] came up. Your expertise might be needed. :) {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} 12:10, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
Der folgende Text wurde vom Spamfilter gefunden:
 
   
What can I do? --[[User:Ignor-the-ant|Ignor-the-ant]] 00:49, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
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==Our Proposal==
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Hi Chris, I wanted to invite you to [[LyricWiki_talk:Community_Portal#Tags_for_songs.21|discuss]] a modification of {{lw|LW:PN}} with us. I hope ou can make time for that one :) Cheers, {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} 21:01, October 18, 2013 (UTC)
   
:I know that problem, the question-mark character is blocked by the spamfilter. We'll have to wait for 6 to fix that. I tried to add it to the whitelist some weeks (months?) ago but it obviously didn't work.
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Some [[LyricWiki_talk:Proposal_For_Root_Pages_Policy#Questions_for_Administrators|questions]] came up. We really need your input now. Cheers, {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} 17:35, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
:About the mark them fixed thingy: I've had a script for that. I don't know if it'd still work. It's actually a pity that I apparently hardly have any time to do what I want although atm I have as much spare time as I'll never have again until I'm retiree.
 
:I want to make myself a homepage and offer my GreaseMonkey scripts for LyricWiki as download. But I don't have the time to make me a homepage, and after that I'd still have to re-check and tidy up all my GM scripts for LyricWiki (that is 40 or so) to make them work with Wikia and the current skin {{emo|sigh}}. Some of them are also very hard to use, others could be shortened a lot if I included my "easy access function" library script and/or made some new function libraries for commonly used functions such as "FirstLetterUppercase" or "PageExists". But I see I really have to get at it, OR I have to implement my own cyborg tool! Maybe Senv can help me now that I'm also programming in .NET. Would be definitely cool!
 
:But B2T, I'd ask 6 to fix that, he's far more experience in spam filter issue handling than I am. So all we have to do is wait, he usually even reads my page before I do. {{emo|;)}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 04:12, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 
   
::Sorry, I can't fix that. The whitelist is only for URLs, if e.g. a song has the word "&#x76;&#x69;&#x61;&#x67;&#x72;&#x61;" in the title and the spamfilter wouldn't allow you to save it because external links containing that word (generated by SongFooter) are blocked.
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Hi if you need help on ''writing new lyrics'' contact me--[[User:Kyleroering|Kyleroering]] ([[User talk:Kyleroering|talk]]) 07:42, December 30, 2013 (UTC)
::What we ''could'' do is add a colour variable to {{tl|star}} and have {{tl|SongFooter}} display the {{tl|accent}} template automatically for violet songs (has to be SF because we need the language). Of course it wouldn't be displayed above the lyrics anymore, but (like {{tl|NoLang}}) right above the "External links" section… — [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 06:35, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::I've got an alternative, more radical solution of this (hooked accents) problem. Instead of trying to overcome spam filter to mark page with {{tl|Accent|}}, Lwt may just... reupload ''accentless'' lyrics, resolving such a way both problems - ''making page editable and fixing its lyrics'' simultaneously. Hope you've noticed that [[:Category:Requests_For_Edits/Accented_Characters|RFEAC]].count was [[User:Lwt/Tasks|reduced recently]] from over 15000 to current value [[User:Senvaikis/NEACC|26]]. Lwt's ready to repeat this job with any list of accented songs you give me. --{{User:Senvaikis/Signature}} 12:55, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Special:SOTD ==
 
 
Hey, Chris. For some reason, I keep getting an "internal error" message on the [[Special:SOTD|SOTD nomination page]] when I try to nominate a song. It reads: "Set $wgShowExceptionDetails = true; at the bottom of LocalSettings.php to show detailed debugging information." I don't know who needs to deal with it, but I just wanted to let you know. --<span style="border: 2px blue solid; background-color: blue;">[[User:Cubs Fan2007|<font face="Gisha" color="red">'''Cubs Fan2007'''</font>]] [[User talk:Cubs Fan2007|<font face="Gisha" color="white"><sup>('''Talk to me)'''</sup></font>]]</span> 00:35, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Yes, I know that message, it's the default message. I don't know what's wrong with the page, I'll check that. But it's not a big deal, the next 3 days are all PDNoms already. (Oh, and thank you for letting me know, I did not see it so far as all other managing functions work as usual.) - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 17:33, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::Update: I've commited my new version to Sean, and he pushed it forward to Wikia's branch that'll go live on Wednesday. We're checking about the internal error. I don't know what it could be. At my local wiki, the extension worked well. I guess it's temporary. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 20:01, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::: I just nominated a song as a test and it worked fine for me. Hopefully it was just temporary. Does it work for you now, [[User:Cubs Fan2007|Cubs Fan2007]]?
 
::: -[[User:Sean Colombo|Sean Colombo]] 22:28, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::::Cubs, which song were you trying to nominate? I've got a feeling that the error is related to the apostroph character. I can't nominate [[Big The Boss:Let's Proof It]] but [[Kate Voegele:Heart In Chains]] is okay. Heading to my test wiki to create some pages with special chars...
 
::::Add: I found the error and submitted a fix to Sean. I hope that it just makes it into this Wednesday's release. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 15:40, May 22, 2011 (UTC)
 
::::Add 2: Will likely be fixed with the release on Wednesday. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 01:08, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::::: I've been trying to nominate "[[The Amboy Dukes:Let's Go Get Stoned|Let's Go Get Stoned]]" by [[the Amboy Dukes]] for April 20th of next year. Like [[Black Sabbath]]'s "[[Black Sabbath:Sweet Leaf|Sweet Leaf]]", I like the song as just a song, despite its subject matter. And I think you're onto something; I just tested "Faithfully" by Journey, and it went through with no problem. --<span style="border: 2px blue solid; background-color: blue;">[[User:Cubs Fan2007|<font face="Gisha" color="red">'''Cubs Fan2007'''</font>]] [[User talk:Cubs Fan2007|<font face="Gisha" color="white"><sup>('''Talk to me)'''</sup></font>]]</span> 05:47, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::::::Yes, the problem only became visible since I added some code to it with the last update. That's why apostrophed nominations were possible beforehand (and will be after next Wed. again). - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 17:36, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 
==SOTD May 25, 2011==
 
Hi [[User:LWChris|Chris]]! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of ''[[Iyaz:Replay]]'' has won '''[[LyricWiki:Song of the Day|Song of the Day]]''' for May 25, 2011!<br/>Thanks for [[LyricWiki_talk:Song of the Day|nominating a song]] and for contributing to LyricWiki!<br/>-[[User:ÜberBot|ÜberBot]] 07:00, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
 
== L78lancer ==
 
Please cancel my profile and terminate my "membership" with Lyrics.wikia. Senvaikis is a pain in my balls and I don't need his crap. While I may make errors, he can keep his arrogance - screw him. I will go elsewhere where I can contribute.
 
 
Thank you for your help and frindliness in the hsort time I have been a user.
 
 
--[[User:L78lancer|L78lancer]] 14:21, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:I can understand that you're frustrated if you're trying to contribute to LW and just earn remarks 'bout what you did wrong so far. And I can understand your anger as I know Senv's messages aren't always written in the most polite words you could find. However I know that this is not meant to be arrogant, I believe it's just very difficult to draw the line if you're not talking or writing English all the day. But I can understand if you don't want to participate any longer, although I think it's sad. But okay.
 
:You can't really ''cancel'' a membership. But you can log out and let the account rest. Furthermore, you could head over to any other wiki inside the Wikia network. Only very few wikis have so many code conventions like LyricWiki, because only few are that huge. Your account is valid for the whole Wikia Network, so you may give it a try. {{emo|:)}}
 
:Good bye and have fun. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 18:29, May 31, 2011 (UTC)
 
::P.S.: If it's for this: {{quote|Senvaikis|Once more: please, use {{tl|Album Art}} instead of <nowiki>[[File]]</nowiki>.|User talk:L78lancer#Images: how & where}} then I don't see what's wrong with it, sorry. I can't think of any more objective manner to remind you to use <tt>{<nowiki/>{Album Art||Album Name}}</tt> code instead of <tt>[<nowiki/>[File:Artist - Album Name.jpg|Album Name]]</tt>.
 
 
== [[Daniel Powter:Bad Day]] ==
 
 
Hi Chris, I replied (rather late :) ) [[User_talk:LWChris/Archive/2010-01-09#Daniel_Powter:Bad_Day|here]]; I don't know if it sends a notification, since it's in the archive, so I'm leaving a note here. Cheers, [[User:Mikemorr|Mikemorr]] 03:40, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Hello Mike,
 
:As it is characteristic of archives not to be changed in any manner, I cut out the post again and I'll put it here:
 
 
::The following statements are in reference to [[User talk:LWChris/Archive/2010-01-09#Daniel Powter:Bad Day|this archived discussion]]:
 
::::Thanks for your response; I've been meaning to reply sooner. All those points seem good to me, except:
 
::::*"your camera"; when I listen to it I'm sure I hear "the camera". And he's visibly making the "th" sound at 1:20 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hZQzbjU3z0#t=1m20s here]. And "the camera do[es]n't lie" is a common expression; 468,000 hits [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22the+camera+doesn%27t+lie%22 here].
 
::::* "Ooh, what a horrible day" would certainly make sense, but there's no "b" articulation visible at 2:19 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH476CxJxfg#t=2m19s here] or 2:22 [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hugp7Cz07Ds#t=2m22s here]. My guess is that it's "Ooh, want a holiday", a reference to the earlier line "Well you need a blue sky holiday".
 
::::What do you think?
 
::::--[[User:Mikemorr|Mikemorr]] 03:22, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::Hm, okay with both. Holiday because of the video, the not really from the video but as it's on [http://www.danielpowter.com/content/bad-day his webpage] it's okay with me. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 04:04, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Just stopping by to say thanks! ==
 
 
I talked to you in the chat earlier about some formatting/naming issues I was having. I've since added quite a few pages that I hope are helpful to people, just wanted to say thanks for the friendly help!
 
 
[[User:Jimroot84|Jimroot84]] 04:23, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Hi, thanks a lot, and you're welcome to ask new questions. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 07:35, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 
==SOTD June 28, 2011==
 
Hi [[User:LWChris|Chris]]! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of ''[[Lady Gaga:Alejandro]]'' has won '''[[LyricWiki:Song of the Day|Song of the Day]]''' for June 28, 2011!<br/>Thanks for [[LyricWiki_talk:Song of the Day|nominating a song]] and for contributing to LyricWiki!<br/>-[[User:ÜberBot|ÜberBot]] 07:00, June 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== SOTD nom ==
 
 
Hey, Chris, I was moving some of my preferred date noms from the old nomination page to the Special page, but like an idiot, I forgot to save one of the token numbers. If possible, can you get that number to me, so I can double check if I added the preferred date? The song is "[[Santana:Soul Sacrifice|Soul Sacrifice]]" by [[Santana]]. Thanks. --<span style="border: 2px blue solid; background-color: blue;">[[User:Cubs Fan2007|<font face="Gisha" color="red">'''Cubs Fan2007'''</font>]] [[User talk:Cubs Fan2007|<font face="Gisha" color="white"><sup>('''Talk to me)'''</sup></font>]]</span> 20:20, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 
:Yep, the preferred date was set to August 16. {{emo|:)}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 20:45, June 30, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
==Ghost pages==
 
It's not just deletions that are lagging. Try creating a redirect {{small|as opposed to redirecting an existing page}} – I always get the "This page needs content" placeholder, and the redirect only appears after waiting between half a minute and several minutes. Might be the job queue, but it's been like that for many weeks now… — [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 08:05, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:No, the job queue is fine since exactly 2 weeks ago: http://webnumbr.com/job-queue-size-on-lyricwiki.from%28-2%20weeks%29
 
:I was confused because the GPP Bot was ready and deletions by it worked absolutely fine, whereas those Ghost pages stayed blue links and intact redirects (except for when I purged the pages). But "several minutes"... Look at http://lyrics.wikia.com/index.php?title=Joni_Mitchell:BRANDY_EYES&redirect=no&rel=nofollow - this is a page I deleted "15:57, 10. Jul. 2011" and "01:21, 11. Jul. 2011" again. I mean, it did not appear in [[Special:PrefixIndex/Joni Mitchell:B|Special:PrefixIndex]], but seriosly... it obviously was still blue 10 hours after the deletion, otherwise I wouldn't have tried to "fix" that. What the hell is going on here?! {{emo|shocked}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 09:40, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::Fun fact: if you "hide" from the system that the page you just created is a redirect (e.g. by doing something with SUBST:PAGENAME) it is treated like a regular page creation and appears at once. — [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 17:07, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Placeholder deletion? ==
 
 
Apologies, but I'm trying to understand the ''Delete placeholder to make way for a protected title.''-edit, specifically for three songs that I recently noticed bear this edit: [[Glee Cast:Funny Girl]], [[Glee Cast:It's A Man's Man's Man's World]], and [[Glee Cast:Hello, I Love You]].
 
 
This may have something to do with the choice in using the artist [[Glee]] or [[Glee Cast]] for singles/albums released through the TV series. In keeping with the system I saw before I started editing and adding new songs, I went with [[Glee Cast]], but the Gracenote page for [[Gracenote:Glee|Glee]] (vs. [[Gracenote:Glee Cast|Glee Cast]]) is actually longer?
 
 
Any explanation or guidance would be helpful. I'm just not too clear on what a "placeholder" is. Should all the [[Glee Cast]] songs instead be changed to [[Glee]]? - [[User:Sssh|sssh]] 14:46, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Hi sssh, the answers to your questions are here: [[User:LWChris/GPP]]. But I'll also explain it here. Here we go:
 
:"Placeholders" are songpages that were created by [[User:GracenoteBot]] ("GNB"). Gracenote couldn't get the license for us to display the lyrics, so the song's titles were on the so-called "takedown list". We are not allowed to display these songs completely. If the pages exist beforehand, they are "taken down", i. e. the lyrics are cropped and the page is protected to prevent re-adding them. But if the pages did not exist so far, GNB created them as placeholder and protected the pages. That is how it was until now.
 
:Unfortunately, it turned out that the Gracenote protection database is poorly maintained to put it mildly. Most page titles are "wrong", i. e. they contain typos, common misspellings and some are absolutely incomprehensible. The most obvious consequence amongst others were vast amounts of links in the "Other songs" sections. Finally, we (all admins + me) decided to switch from creating empty pages to really protect the pages from creation. The "GPP" transformed all old placeholders into protected titles. As a user you cannot create these pages. So basically nothing has changed for you, just that some former blue links to placeholders are now redlinks (which IMO fits better anyway for those content-empty placeholders). - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 17:10, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:: Hm, I think I've got the whole un-licensed songs deal down. Still, these pages did have content on them before, so I'm still confused about the blue/red/why-their-content-was-deleted-altogether-and-not-cropped bit.
 
 
::But so, if a song does exist as a Gracenote page, it doesn't mean that the site has been licensed to display the lyrics? i.e. [[Gracenote:Glee:Funny Girl]], [[Gracenote:Glee:It's A Man's, Man's Man's World]], and [[Gracenote:Glee:Hello, I Love You]] [[User:Sssh|sssh]] 22:55, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::{{Quote|sssh|these pages did have content on them before}} - that content was nothing but the standard stuff, a {{tl|Song}} template with the artist, lyrics-tags, the {{tl|gracenote_takedown}} template, and a {{tl|SongFooter}} with <tt>song</tt> and <tt>fLetter</tt>. As admin, I can see the deleted revisions, too. The last content before my bot deleted the page was:
 
 
<pre>
 
{{Song||Glee Cast|star=Green}}
 
 
<lyrics>
 
{{gracenote_takedown}}
 
</lyrics>
 
 
{{SongFooter
 
|song = Funny Girl
 
|fLetter = F
 
|language =
 
|youtube =
 
|goear =
 
|asin =
 
|iTunes =
 
}}
 
</pre>
 
 
:::{{Quote|sssh|But so, if a song does exist as a Gracenote page, it doesn't mean that the site has been licensed to display the lyrics? i.e. [[Gracenote:Glee:Funny Girl]], [[Gracenote:Glee:It's A Man's, Man's Man's World]], and [[Gracenote:Glee:Hello, I Love You]]}} - Now ''that'' is interesting, because you're right that having the Gracenote namespace page allows us to have the content namespace page, too. According to the takedown situation, the current status is: we are allowed to have [[Glee:Funny Girl]], but not [[Glee Cast:Funny Girl]]. That is weird, but not our fault. For us, "Glee" is an alias of the correct name "Glee Cast". For Gracenote it's obviously different. I don't know what to do in that case, but I'll ask Sean if there's anything we can to get back [[Glee Cast:Funny Girl]]. Depending on whether [[Gracenote:Glee:Funny Girl]] was added after [[Gracenote:Glee Cast:Funny Girl]] was taken down or the other way round we know if we are allowed to have those two songs or not. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 22:03, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
==SOTD Nomination Page Notes==
 
Using my admin powers to try to edit a nomination with long text, and not all the existing text appears in the edit box -- check this out with nominations #338 or #340, for example. Will it work if I paste the text into the box, and not get truncated when I save it?
 
 
Also, in the nomination edit box, would it be possible to indicate in some manner which is the day and which is the month? Maybe switch the month names to abbreviations (Jan, Feb, Mar, and so on)? Obviously it's easy to see once you pull down both, since one goes up to 31 and one only goes up to 12, but it's a little bit user-'''un'''friendly -- especially to Americans, who are expecting the month to be first. (Yeah, I know, Americans suck. We also use gallons and Fahrenheit.) [[User:Trainman|Trainman]] 19:06, July 14, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:{{Quote|Trainman|not all the existing text appears in the edit box}} - doesn't it get scrollbars? It usually should...
 
:{{Quote|Trainman|Will it work if I paste the text into the box, and not get truncated when I save it?}} - yes, there's no upper limit (only the one by the HTTP, but that's far beyond the current length ranges at SOTD).
 
:{{Quote|Trainman|Maybe switch the month names to abbreviations}} - That's possible but will make my code a tiny bit more complex. On the other hand this shouldn't make a big difference meanwhile {{emo|lol}}. I won't change the order though. As German editor I have to cope with the strange order in english MediaWiki, and as English editors you have to cope with the German order :D
 
:Oh, and it's not so much about gallons and Fahrenheit... Far worse is inches/feet/miles compared to the metric system. I can immediately tell you that 3 kilometers are 3.000 meters are 300.000 centimeters. Now how many feet/inches are 3 miles? {{emo|:P}}
 
:Something about the state "modified": You don't have to (or maybe even shouldn't?) mark nominations you changed "modified". That state is intended to be a heads-up for you rather than being information for the user.
 
:Nominations you ranked "suitable" become ranked "modified" as soon as they are edited by the user again. That informs you that the nomination could now contain typos again and stuff, or it could even be about a completely different song, that was already SOTD. Basically that mode means you have to recheck the whole nomination again, but it can be helpful if you already picked some you want to accept, as the modifications should be very small usually rather than a nomination of a new song. But you never know... - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 22:24, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 
::Thanks, now that we talked in chat, I think I got the hang of SOTD things a little better.
 
::3 miles is 15,840 feet (which I did in my head -- ''5280x3'' works out as ''20x3'' less than ''5300x3''), but I'm not sure why you'd need to convert 3 miles to feet in the first place. What I end up needing to convert most often is not gallons, but all of their cousins, since they're found in recipes: quarts, pints, cups, fluid ounces, teaspoons, tablespoons.
 
::If I ever get godlike powers, one of the things I'll do is magically convert everything in the U.S. to the metric system, since it seems like that's the only way it's ever going to happen. [[User:Trainman|Trainman]] 01:04, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::Hehe, I wrote a letter to Mr. Obama about that some months ago, but I didn't get a response by now. As comparison: when I wrote to the German government department of finances with a question regarding our national debt, I got a response within a week. Obviously the American government is not really open minded towards visitors from different countries. I wonder whether I got a response if I lived in the US (as a voter)?
 
:::It's weird, since you all learn the metric system in school for physics anyway, it shouldn't be too difficult to switch the system in the young people's mind. The only difficulty might be converting everything official like the car's speedometers, road signs etc.
 
:::And you convert kilometers to meters to convert from km/h to m/s in physics, or for buildings for example. A car's lengths is also given in millimeters instead of meters for technical sketches. My car is 3999 millimeters long, which is 3.999 meters {{emo|:)}}. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 23:39, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 
==SOTD July 18, 2011==
 
Hi [[User:LWChris|Chris]]! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of ''[[Ke$ha:TiK ToK]]'' has won '''[[LyricWiki:Song of the Day|Song of the Day]]''' for July 18, 2011!<br/>Thanks for [[LyricWiki_talk:Song of the Day|nominating a song]] and for contributing to LyricWiki!<br/>-[[User:ÜberBot|ÜberBot]] 07:00, July 18, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== An important question ==
 
 
Remember when you put me in charge of the Album of the Week? This is embarassing but where do I edit the Album of the Week part of the home page? I forgot what it was. Please answer when possible. Thanks!
 
 
[[User:Hard4me|hard4me]] 11:03, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:[[Template:Album Of The Week]] — [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 11:41, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::Thanks! [[User:Hard4me|hard4me]] 12:13, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== LyricWiki Chat ==
 
 
Hi LWChris,
 
If you want to, could you please go on LyricWiki chat? I'm getting bored. Thanks!
 
 
[[User:Hard4me|hard4me]] 16:59, August 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Hehe, as I see from my [[Special:Watchlist|watchlist]] you've been asking everyone to come to the chat {{emo|:P}}. I guess except for me none of the admins go to the chat as reaction to your post, I'm afraid. 6 and Senv don't chat, and Sean is only in the chat when he's at work, which is Monday to Friday. Together with Trainman I'm the only one who's probably there every day (but opposed to Trainman I think, I am not {{emo|^^}}). - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 13:17, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Yo ==
 
I don't know if you got my message in chat, but [[User:xxTimberlakexx/Gracenote GameFeatures|here is the subpage]] that you wanted me to make in chat earlier. Have fun!
 
 
[[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] 22:16, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Check my work? ==
 
   
 
Hi Chris,
 
Hi Chris,
  +
I answered your 'talk' of yesterday about my 'botlike editing'. I'm looking forward to your answer on that! :-) --[[User:Markcoutinho|Markcoutinho]] ([[User talk:Markcoutinho|talk]]) 10:46, January 1, 2014 (UTC)Mark Coutinho, 01-01-2014
   
You helped me with an issue several months ago.
+
== Bando Da Lua ==
+
Hi Chris! Diese {{lw|Bando Da Lua:In The Mood|Seite}} wurde von dir gelöscht – ich nehme an aus urheberrechtlichen Gründen. Was auf der Seite genau stand, kann ich nicht mehr herausbekommen. Ich habe stattdessen jetzt {{lw|Bando Da Lua:Edmundo|diese}} erstellt, da die Gruppe das Stück, mit einem eigenen Text, unter diesem Titel herausbrachte. Ich hoffe damit gibt es keine Probleme. --[[User:Ignor-the-ant|Ignor-the-ant]] ([[User talk:Ignor-the-ant|talk]]) 15:42, January 14, 2014 (UTC)
I have created pages for an artist, album and songs for the first time. The artist page is http://lyrics.wikia.com/Tedeschi_Trucks_Band. Would you like to look it over and tell me if I've done it well enough, and how it might be improved?
 
 
Thanks.
 
 
Dale Nichols (Dgndenver)
 
 
:Hi Dale,
 
:The majority of the page is looking good. Here is what needs to be corrected (I won't do that so you can "learn"):
 
; Artist page
 
# For Twitter, only use the profile name (everything behind the last shlash)
 
# The Wikipedia parameter does not need underscores (not an error, it just looks better)
 
# You forgot the "<tt>[[Template:Album Art|Album Art]]</tt>" template name below the album headline
 
# [[Tedeschi Trucks Band:Midnight in Harlem|Midnight in Harlem]] and [[Tedeschi Trucks Band:Bound for Glory|Bound for Glory]] need to be moved and corrected to their [[LyricWiki:Page Names|LW:PN]] conform titles.
 
# The youtube parameter is intended to link to the youtube profile if present, not to a video
 
; Album page
 
# The album page is missing
 
; Song pages
 
# You need to specify "<tt>English</tt>" as language in the {{tl|SongFooter}}
 
# You could already add <tt>Revelator (2011)</tt> as album in the {{tl|Song}} template
 
:Everything else is looking fine to me. Tip: most errors are already visible on the pages themselves:
 
* the artist page has "Invalid Twitter Link" as category
 
* the Youtube link does not work
 
* the AlbumArt template code is visible as <nowiki>{{||Revelator}}</nowiki>
 
* [[Tedeschi Trucks Band:Bound for Glory|Bound for Glory]] displays a red banner with a hint about the page naming policy
 
* All songpages display a yellow banner with a hint about the undefined language
 
 
:But all in all good work already! Keep it up! - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 08:34, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::Um yeah, that's the downside of great error tracking systems... someone is there to fix issues within hours {{emo|xD}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 18:31, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Naming policy question ==
 
 
Hi there. I've got a question about article titles that [[LyricWiki:Page Names]] didn't answer for me.
 
 
[[Dog Fashion Disco]] did two different versions of a song called Scores for Porn. They aren't very different, but the second version reordered some of the verses and added a bridge section. Anyway only one version, the latter, is on this wiki, it's at [[Dog Fashion Disco:Scores For Porn]]. I want to add the original version to this site too, but I don't know at what location the pages should be. <b>[[User:McJeff|McJeff]]</b> <sup>[[User_talk:McJeff|(talk this way)]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/McJeff|(stalk this way)]]</sub> 16:01, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:So if the "Original version" is missing, how is the other version (the one we have) called? - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 17:23, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== How do I get rid of the gray box?/Wie krieg ich den grauen Kasten weg?==
 
 
''Hi Chris, [[User:Ignor-the-ant|Ignor'ant]] told me that I could always turn to you. Just created my own [[User:Lichtweber/Signature|signature]] (inspired by those of [[User:Sscout|Sscout]] and others). But now the date appears in a gray box. Do you happen to know what went wrong?''
 
 
Hi Chris, der [[User:Ignor-the-ant|Ignor'ant]] hat mir gesagt, dass ich mich auch an dich wenden kann. Hab gerade meine [[User:Lichtweber/Signature|Signatur]] (nach Vorbild von [[User:Sscout|Sscout]] und anderen) gebastelt. Aber das Datum wird nun in einem grauen Layer angezeigt. Weisst du, was ich vielleicht falsch gemacht habe?
 
LG &nbsp;&nbsp;<small><span style="border: 2px solid black; background-color:orange;-moz-border-radius:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; colLight Grayor:green">[[User:Lichtweber|'''<span style="color:red; background-color:black;">&nbsp;&nbsp;Lichtweber&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Lichtweber|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Lichtweber|<span style="color:blue">contribs</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style="color:purple;">&nbsp;&nbsp;{{#if:ŧø æbs€nŧ fri€nđs|{{abbr|♫|ŧø æbs€nŧ fri€nđs}}|♫}}&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></span></small> 18:29, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Also die Box kommt von den Leerzeichen davor, denn Zeilen mit Leerzeichen werden automatisch als Code angezeigt... Die müssten weg. Aber mal allgemein: Würde es dir etwas ausmachen, eine weniger platzraubende Signatur anzulegen, sprich, nicht jedes Leerzeichen und Element der Sig in eine neue Zeile zu machen, bzw vllt sogar nur die Sig zu transcluden? - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 18:35, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::Chris, danke für die schnelle Antwort. Ja, ich setz immer nur die vier Tilden rein, aber die werden offenbar nach dem posten durch den kompletten Quelltext ersetzt. Den hab ich nun allerdings stark verdichtet ;) &nbsp;&nbsp;<small><span style="border: 2px solid black; background-color:orange;-moz-border-radius:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topright:10px; -moz-border-radius-topleft:10px; -moz-border-radius-bottomleft:10px; colLight Grayor:green">[[User:Lichtweber|'''<span style="color:red; background-color:black;">&nbsp;&nbsp;Lichtweber&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>''']]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Lichtweber|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Lichtweber|<span style="color:blue">contribs</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;<span style="color:purple;">&nbsp;&nbsp;{{#if:ŧø æbs€nŧ fri€nđs|{{abbr|♫|ŧø æbs€nŧ fri€nđs}}|♫}}&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></span></small> 18:55, September 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::Deine 4 Tilden sollten eigentlich das einsetzen, was in deinen [[Special:Preferences|Einstellungen]] steht. Aber es wäre vielleicht sinnvoll, das in den Einstellungen als "<nowiki>{{User:Lichtweber/Signature}}" zu schreiben und nicht als "{{SUBST:User:Lichtweber/Signature}}"</nowiki> falls das da steht. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 18:44, September 6, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:''Because of technical details it was easier to keep that convo German. Summary in English:''
 
:Lichtweber had a problem with his signature causing the date to be formatted like code in a pre tag.
 
:I told him that the reason were the space characters in front of the last lines of his signature and asked him to use a less space-consumptive.
 
:Because in spite of his effords to join all lines of his sig into one its sourcecode is still quite lengthy, so I asked him to transclude it.
 
==SOTD September 13, 2011==
 
Hi [[User:LWChris|Chris]]! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of ''[[Schiller:Die Nacht ... Du Bist Nicht Allein]]'' has won '''[[LyricWiki:Song of the Day|Song of the Day]]''' for September 13, 2011!<br/>Thanks for [[LyricWiki_talk:Song of the Day|nominating a song]] and for contributing to LyricWiki!<br/>-[[User:ÜberBot|ÜberBot]] 07:00, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== SOTD question ==
 
 
Hi Chris, I'd like to know if a song with partial lyrics can be a SOTD ([[Axxis:Moonlight|this]] song), it's lyrics are nowhere to be found, I can't even buy the album to check the booklet, cause it's album is an internet-only album with no booklet. The artist's official page got no information on it's lyrics and LW is the only lyrics website with that song (apart from [http://axxis.lyricsometer.com/song/Moonlight/ this] one, that just copied the lyrics from here, partial template included!). I did my best to transcribe it, but my listening skills are far from perfect {{emo|:(}}.
 
 
[[User:Kleyguerth|Kleyguerth]] 04:25, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Hi,
 
:well, it's difficult to give anything like a hard rule for that. SOTD would ''ideally'' be Gold songs only, but that's utopian. So my question would be: is there any special reason why this of all songs should be SOTD? Regarding the transscribing, I tried it myself, and I think it's only one word that's missing now. Please re-check if you think my edits are okay so far. It's also hard for me to find anything new, because 1) I'm German and 2) I'd lie if I said this is the kind of music I enjoy listening to. {{emo|:*)}} Furthermore I found the lyrics on various pages (4 to 6), but they all copied each other (with the dots), hard to tell who was the first to have it. In most cases the typos were also copied so that it's obviously "copy and <s>p</s>waste" (how we computer scientist say if you replicate an error by copying it {{emo|;)}}).
 
:Well, if that one word was filled I could definitely say "go on", but this way I'd appreciate to know the reason beforehand (needn't be the same you'll fill in). - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 18:09, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::Thanks for helping with the transcribing!
 
::Well, about the reason this should be SOTD... Well, it's quite a long story... I created my account sometime ago, made some contributions, then forgot about LW. In that time, I discovered Axxis, they became my favourite artist since then and their lyrics are pretty hard to find, that made me want to come back to LW and contribute with their page. So it's like Axxis made me join LW for real and that song is my favourite one. I could pick another Axxis' song and nominate with that reason, I wanted Moonlight as SOTD, but I don't want to "break the rules" of SOTD. - [[User:Kleyguerth|Kleyguerth]] 01:51, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::As I said, there isn't any written rule for that, and all in all - as it's only ''one'' missing word anymore - nominating is okay. Maybe we're lucky and somebody who knows/understands the word will find the song through SOTD and add it? I'd say, go ahead and nominate it. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 15:16, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::::Alright, I'm gonna nominate it later, thanks! - [[User:Kleyguerth|Kleyguerth]] 23:55, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Guess who?!?! ==
 
 
I'm back!!! Miss me? LOL Please tell me about any major changes I should know about, my friend. Or make a general list of stuff for me to research & point me in the right direction. Things are quite different. Thank you! I hope school & things have been good with you! [[User:BeatriceBlue|BeatriceBlue]] 06:56, September 21, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Humm, it's hard to tell what changed in the last billion months since you were away. Let's see, maybe you don't know [[Special:SOTD|this]] and maybe [[User:LWChris/GPP|that]]. Do you know these: {{emo|:)}} {{emo|;)}} {{emo|:D}} {{emo|:P}} ..? Finally, and [[User:LWChris/T-Line|this]] might become reality maybe... - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 19:55, September 22, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
==Don't Understand Something...==
 
Hi! I just wanted to know about this Wikify thing. How do you do it? Just wanted to know. Thanks, TTYL -[[User:Masterofthemetal11|ÂØˇÂ⁄⁄]] 01:34, September 26, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:# You have a specific album you want to add to LyricWiki, which is not created so far. Usually you'd have to edit the artist page and type all the wikisytax:<br/><tt><nowiki>==[[Artist Name:Album Name (Year)|Album Name (Year]]==</nowiki><br/><nowiki>{{Album Art||Album Name}}</nowiki><br/><nowiki># '''[[Artist Name:Track Name|Track Name]]'''</nowiki><br/><nowiki># '''[[Artist Name:Track Name|Track Name]]'''</nowiki><br/>...<br/><nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki></tt>
 
:# Because that is quite a lot of work, although the only thing that varies from track to track is the actual track name, you rather go to [[Special:Wikify]]
 
:# You fill in the information that stays the same for the whole album at the top just '''once''', that's the advantage opposed to writing all the code etc.
 
:# You have to fill in the artist name, the album name and the album year. If you know that you will be able to upload a cover sooner or later, you check the "Show album cover" option, too.
 
:# Next, you fill in some kind of a roughly formatted "discography", i. e. a tracklist where each line goes for one track on the album you want to add. There are different types of formats you can enter the information in, like a numbered list, a plaintext list, Wikipedia and so on. They all have in common, that it is ''not'' wikisyntax so far.
 
:# After you filled in everything and selected the regarding format of the list you put into the textarea, click on the "Wikify" button at the bottom of the page. It'll give you a (usually) well-formatted wiki-code which is in most cases almost paste-ready for the artist page.
 
:# As the album pages are created almost ready except for a few parameters and the tracklist, [[Special:Wikify]] does not output the album page, too. However you can copy the tracklist only (without the headline and the Album Art and clear template), then save the artist page, and use the redlink-headline to add the album. There you enter the copied tracklist, fill in the parameters if you are already able to, and save the page.
 
: Hope that helps, [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 21:50, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Explain to me, please... ==
 
 
[[User:LWChris|Chris]] please explain to me how someone can rank an [[Talk:Gary_Numan:Dead_Son_Rising_(2011)|album]] Bronze, when every single song was incomplete & red linked? I just entered the lyrics for every song except one, but before there were none. [[Gary_Numan:Dead_Son_Rising_(2011)|Here]]. Thank you. [[User:BeatriceBlue|BeatriceBlue]] 18:44, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Chris? [[User:BeatriceBlue|BeatriceBlue]] 05:27, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::Well, if Chris doesn't want to talk to you anymore… ;-)
 
::It's only required for Silver/Gold albums that all songs be ranked Ag/Au as well. [[User:Ssmodk|Ssmodk]] should have filled the "allsongs" parameter with Black instead of Green, but that's an easy mistake to make. (Maybe they meant to fill in the lyrics later and just forgot or didn't get round to it?) — [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 07:16, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:::Sorry, I was busy studying so I didn't come here every day to check. When I saw the "New message" baloon yesterday I saw Sean's section and was in a hurry to fix the SOTD noms, and then forgot to check for other messages. I think the time I'm here is similar to the amount I edit, and my edit amount looks like this:
 
 
<pre> _____
 
/ \
 
/ \
 
/ \ ___
 
/\ _ / \____/ \ /\
 
___/ \__/ \/ \____/ \____/\______
 
| |
 
0 now</pre>
 
 
Sorry {{emo|:(}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 17:44, October 17, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Well... well... darn you! LOL ;o) No, really, it's ok, [[User:LWChris|Chris]], I totally understand! And thank you, [[User talk:6 times 9|6x9]]!! Much appreciated! [[User:BeatriceBlue|BeatriceBlue]] 01:50, October 18, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== SOTD ==
 
 
Some user just nominated a song for Sunday called Apples To Apples & wanted me to poke you to take a look at the nominations (since it's such a short time before then). Thanks!<br/>
 
-[[User:Sean Colombo|Sean Colombo]] 01:12, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Yes, but I will prefer another nomination for October 16th, because I can't make a good reason out of the nomination reason that was given. I don't understand what the user is trying to tell me, and obviously didn't care too much about ortography. I'm starting to become pickier. Can you please edit the trac code to use a limit of 120 characters (that is line 637 of the body and lines 37 and 122 of the i18n). I really have to find some time to finally make that fast-written quick&dirty code ready... - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 09:25, October 15, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Signature ==
 
Hey Chris, I tried to change <nowiki>{{SUBST:User:Lichtweber/Signature}} into {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}}</nowiki> in the preferences as u suggested. But no matter what I do it always switches back. I tried both to check and uncheck the "Signatur als Wikitext behandeln (ohne automatische Verlinkung)" button. Any ideas what I can do here? thx {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}}
 
 
:Weird, the correct setting would be <nowiki>{{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} and "Signatur als Wikitext behandeln (ohne automatische Verlinkung)" checked. That'd put "~~~~" into "{{User:Lichtweber/Signature}}".</nowiki> What do you mean by "it switches back"? Do you save the preferences but the checkbox is always unchecked again? If that's the case that'd mean the saving of preferences is broken. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 21:37, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 
::Switch back means: I fill in <nowiki>{{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} and save by hitting the save button. But when I reload the page {{SUBST:User:Lichtweber/Signature}} is back the field, no matter wether I checked the lower checkbox or not. And, in fact, when I try to sign with ~~~~ the complete source code appears. Any ideas?</nowiki> {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}}
 
:::IIRC templates can't be used as signatures, so the change you make is probably ignored. What you ''can'' try (and what, again IIRC, is what other people do) is to create another page, say [[User:Lichtweber/Sig2]] with {<nowiki/>{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} as the only content, and use {<nowiki/>{SUBST:User:Lichtweber/Sig2}} in your preferences (leaving the checkbox checked). — [[User:6 times 9|6×9]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:6 times 9|Talk]])</small> 22:01, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
==[[Stevie Wonder:Superstition]]==
 
Hi Chris, wanted to alert you that your [http://lyrics.wikia.com/index.php?title=Stevie_Wonder%3ASuperstition&action=historysubmit&diff=10009713&oldid=9791261 last edit] wonked up the first bullet in the Awards section. Please fix? Thanks!!
 
 
::[[User:6 times 9|6]] fixed this, thanks for the heads-up. I think my Auto-Fix script somehow confused the {{tl|SongFooter}} and the {{tl|Grammy}} template - although I'm pretty sure I implemented a catch, it looks like the code does not filter clearly enough. I will look into it. Thanks again, [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 16:37, November 22, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Meine SOTD-Nominierung ==
 
 
Hallo Chris,
 
 
hab' ich 'ne Chance, dass mein nominierter Song dieses Jahr noch auf der Startseite auftaucht? Sorry, wenn ich nerve, es gibt sicher wichtigeres auf dieser Welt, aber ich habe mir im Gegensatz zu anderen ernsthaft Mühe gegeben mit meinem Nominierungstext und würde mir wünschen, dass das gewürdigt wird. Andernfalls würde ich dich bitten, die Nominierung zu löschen und mich darüber zu informieren, damit ich die Sache zumindest abhaken kann. Danke.
 
 
--[[User:91.49|91.49]] 12:27, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Hi 91.49,
 
:dein Song ist momentan an Position 8 in unserer Queue und wird darum im Rutsch der für Dezember akzeptierten Songs dabei sein. {{emo|:)}} Grüße, [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 12:32, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== Reporting a page for deletion ==
 
 
I can't seem to find a way to report pages so I am posting this on some admins pages (because all I could find was a list of admins). While I was adding a band and its lyrics I used English capitalization and then I realized that I had to actually capitalize each word. So I ended up having to pages. I want to delete the one that doesn't follow wikia's capitalization rules, which would be http://lyrics.wikia.com/The_Cumshots:Praying_for_Cancer
 
 
Thanks in advance
 
 
[[User:Dexter.prog|Dexter.prog]] 12:52, November 30, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
Hey dude, sorry about the confusion with the Alex Day stuff. I know minor artists are welcome here, but that didn't seem like material that was real. Sorry about that. :( [[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] 03:16, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
:Yes, with that formatting it looked like someone just typed some text, but now with the proper layout and less "SCREAMING" you can see the structure of verse and chorus, the rhymes and so on. So no problem, that's why I put a YouTube video on the page, so everybody can listen to as "proof" it that this songs actually exists. {{emo|;)}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 03:21, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
::Yeah, exactly. Thanks man :) [[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] 03:30, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
 
 
== State of T-Line ==
 
 
Hello,
 
I stumbled across your [[User:LWChris/T-Line|T-Line]] and it seems pretty and neat to me. I thought directly of using it on the artist-pages I have an eye on, but saw, that it is not finished. What is the state? Is it ready to use "out in the wild" with only minor things missing/wrong displayed but no errors or should I better wait? Kind regards — [[User:Salandas|Salandas]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:Salandas|Talk]])</small> 02:24, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Hi there, I've not finished it enough to be productive. Some really basic templates are still missing, but I've been making plans to continue the work. It's a bit tricky now that I'm studying to keep up with developing something. But I'll finish it within 2012 I guess. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 20:28, January 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
== New Wiki Nav ==
 
 
Hey Chris! :)<br/>
 
You'd mentioned looking forward to the new Wiki Nav because it allows for more links. Do you think we should have a head-start and set up all of the messages now, or should I just flip it on & we can start editing away?
 
Thanks,<br/>
 
-[[User:Sean Colombo|Sean Colombo]] 01:19, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Not sure I understand the alternatives {{emo|:D}}. If it's for "shall we discuss before changing or transform our old nav to the new one and edit the structure afterwards", I'm for the first, when are you available in chat or anywhere again? {{emo|:)}}
 
:I need to get some progress in [[User:LWChris/T-Line|T-Line]] btw...! - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 17:15, January 19, 2012 (UTC)
 
:: In chat right now :)
 
:: Will try to be in chat 1pm-5pm PST Mon-Wed for a while and see if that works out
 
:: -[[User:Sean Colombo|Sean Colombo]] 19:55, January 23, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:::Okay, I'll be there from 1pm-3pm, because that's 10-12pm in Germany and I should not stay up much longer {{emo|;)}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 21:12, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Thank you!==
 
Thank you so much for the award man :D [[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] 21:53, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
:Yeah, same here. :) [[User:Hard4me|hard4me]] 23:09, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==had a mishap last night==
 
Last night I accidentally used a batchmove from Korn to KoRn, and all of the redirects got Merge templates on them. Luckily I was able to roll it all back, just letting you know it was just an accident. [[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] 04:29, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:That's what I said, be ''very'' careful with the Batchmove, and better always use the preview function. That's what that function was made for. {{emo|;)}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 04:31, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
I know. I learned my lesson there. :P On a good note, I did manage to ban someone who was spamming pages and roll all of their edits back. [[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] 13:25, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::If it's somebody with overdimensional pictures of kittens, block that user with the typed duration "infinite". It's some bored guy who is coming back every other day, investing a few minutes until he's blocked and rolled back in 30 seconds... - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 15:56, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Now that clears up a lot, thanks.==
 
I'll be sure to do accordingly. On the following points you mentioned:
 
 
1. I'll get that done as soon as I can.
 
 
2. Well, since I have only 2 songs up at the moment, that should be easy to fix.
 
 
3. So, if the song translation of '''ภาพลวงตา''' is to be out on a subpage, what title should it be named?
 
ดา เอ็นโดรฟิน (Da Endrophine):ภาพลวงตา/translation, or /eng?
 
 
4. Thanks that I could help.
 
 
5. Thanks for clearing up the parameter problems. I'll get that fixed.
 
 
Oh, by the way, you got it right. '''ภาพลวงตา''' means '''mirage'''.
 
 
Thanks once again! <b>[[User:Bookbay|<span style="color:green">Bookbay</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Bookbay|<span style="color:red">Talk</span>]]</sup></b> <tt>'''[http://community.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Craiglpalmer/SOPA_and_PIPA_Situation_Summary Stop SOPA!]'''</tt> 14:32, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:Neither /translation nor /eng, it's /en. See also [[Help:Translations]]. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 14:59, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==RE: Chorus==
 
 
::The answer can be found on [[User talk:Christien LeBlanc]] (if it's not there, I'm maybe still typing it). - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 23:57, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::::____________________________________________________________
 
::::The reply can be found on [[User talk:Christien LeBlanc]]
 
 
 
::::____________________________________________________________
 
::::____________________________________________________________
 
::::The reply can be found on [[User talk:Christien LeBlanc]]
 
 
==Hi==
 
About that [[Ola (FI)]] page.
 
Thanks to let me know about the naming policy. That's one thing I haven't been sure of. [[User:Prybar|Prybar]] 12:27, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
:You're welcome! {{emo|:)}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 15:33, April 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Sorry==
 
Sorry :( I guess I wasn't thinking clearly when I did that. Usually when I see someone posting on someone's talk page in capital letters, I usually deem it as flaming and go ahead and block them. Sorry about that, but I mean, everyone makes mistakes, and I'm really sorry for what I did. [[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] 20:51, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
::It's okay, I already unblocked and explained for it. Don't lose heart, you're new and it takes some time to get a feeling for block durations. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 21:10, April 26, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
 
::::Wait, you got the apology? LOL... jk.
 
::::[[User:Christien LeBlanc|Christien LeBlanc]] 04:39, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
==Fan-Atics==
 
 
Chris,
 
 
I realize there must be quite a few "fanatics" on sites like these... but I didn't realize just how bad they were until today.
 
 
:: And by the way, I'm sorry to be bringing this to you -- I'm sure you're probably tired of seeing my name.
 
 
Regarding: http://lyrics.wikia.com/The_Dreaming
 
 
I noticed a while back that nothing on this page was accurate (or even complete), and today I finally got around to working on it, since I know the band & have liked them quite a while.... And by, "know the band", I mean, I literally, know the band... I have their original logo'd bass-drum head, in addition to a lot of other stuff, that "fanatics" would kill for... but anyway...
 
 
About 1/2 way through (what I actually finished doing), I was contacted by some guy, User ID "Salzion", all pissed off because I was editing his lyrics & completing the page (the 1st 2 EPs in particular, is all I got around to, since he monopolized much of my time this afternoon)...
 
 
I tried to explain that any lyric he initially posted for anything I'd titled, "EP Version", was erased & replaced with the latter, Album Version, because the site thought they were the same song -- (as he'd listed the EPs & their songs; but did not actually make any of the EP's Pages, and so on) -- and all I was doing essentially, was redoing, and completing what he'd started a long time ago...
 
 
He put words into my mouth & twisted nearly everything I said -- kept changing his story about pretty much everything; and in general, had a real schizoid episode... I guess, because "i touched his stuff", essentially.
 
 
:: After what had transpired a few weeks ago, which was still very fresh in my mind as I was talking with this rude guy, who kept trying to bait me into a fight -- I made it a point take the high ground & keep things civil... which eventually, he even bitched at me for doing that; but nothing I did, or tried to do mattered --- the guy came looking to pick a fight & I even said so early on in one of my messages, that it was clearly all he wanted to do (pick a fight); and didn't want to listen to facts, or debate civilly...
 
 
At any rate... I tried to cut ties a few times but he was pretty good at baiting me back into the conversation, 'mis-remembering' my past statements & changing his own statements, wild & ridiculous statements about him owning all the EPs on CD... (even though only the 1st one was ever released on CD, the rest were digital-release-only... all verifiable facts)... and on and on and on.
 
 
Anyway - I tried to be the good guy this time - don't think it worked very well.
 
 
Don't know if there's anything you need to look at, in regard to this or not... but thought at least someone should know it wasn't me this time!
 
 
::PS: I replied to your message about Cynergy 67 / Deleted Pages, don't know if you saw it; but you guys were pretty clear last time that responses are expected
 
 
Thanks, [[User:Christien LeBlanc|Christien LeBlanc]] 04:36, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
 
{{AnchorT|Reply}}
 
::Hi there, yes, responses are the only way to show that you've read the post, so they're appreciated.
 
::Okay, for the pages: [[The Dreaming:Let It Burn]] is for the album release version, [[The Dreaming:Let It Burn (EP Version)]] is for the EP version. Both are linked to each other. This is the preferred solution.
 
::As both of you have the habit of deleting posts after a time which makes it hard to trace how everything evolved without detailed investigation (and I don't have time for that), I'll both invite you to read the following personal note:
 
::'''@Salzion''': If you're really pissed because someone edited your work, I have to say that this is a wiki, so you will have to learn to cope with others modifying your work. I can understand that you're upset if someone in your eyes "ruins" your work. But stay cool, none of your work is lost. We can restore any version from the page history with a few keystrokes. The appreciated reaction to someone changing your work into IYO wrong content is to leave it as it is and kindly ask for sources and also name your sources, preferrably ones the other user can look at, too (YouTube video, official band page, ...). If you feel that you see no progress in the discussion, talk to an admin like Christien did.
 
::'''@Christien''': I guess it would helpful if you kept your posts a little shorter. And calling anyone a poser just because he owns all albums doesn't smoothen the waves, either {{emo|;)}}. I know that you're a passionate and spirited writer, but a short and neutral posts helps to keep things cool. You can criticise rules and content (in a modest way, of course), but not a user for his opinion or decisions. Sentences like "you are <adjective or attribute>" are highly dangerous for the civil debate.
 
::'''@Both of you''': I hope that the "two-pages-solution" solves the problem for both of you. If not, I'd like to point out that we have plenty of space for even more versions. If both of you have different lyrics, and both of you have an original audio file as a source, it might be a hint on that there are several versions, e. g. the digital download EP track differs from the CD track, the UK release is slightly different than the Central-European and the US release is yet another track. Then there are extended versions, radio edits, club mixes and much more... So rather than putting any effort into proving the other wrong, both of you should use that time to find out which version/edit/release you have in particular, with the goal that both versions are tagged correctly and peacefully coexist on different pages.
 
 
::And here's a general rule on editing unclear passages: avoid edit wars. Instead of editing the whole page and stating "it's correct now", you should '''at first''' discuss the differences you see one by one on the talkpage and only edit it when you agreed on the correct line. Here's an example of how this could look like: [[User talk:LWChris/Archive/2010-01-09#Daniel Powter:Bad Day|Discussion on "Daniel Powter:Bad Day"]] and [[User talk:LWChris#Daniel Powter:Bad Day|the answer]].
 
 
::So much for that, if there's something unclear, feel free to respond here. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 20:19, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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::Hallo, die Löschung fand damals im Rahmen des "GPP" statt, dem Gracenote Placeholder Project. Im Wesentlichen war die Seite schon vor der Löschung gesperrt, allerdings durch einen vor Bearbeitung geschützten Platzhaltertext. Im Rahmen vom GPP wurden diese reinen Platzhalter-Seiten entfernt und anschließend vor Neuerstellung geschützt. Mehr Informationen zu diesem Vorgang findest du auf [[User:LWChris/GPP]]. Viele Grüße und melde dich, wenn noch etwas unklar ist. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 17:45, January 16, 2014 (UTC)
   
:: Chris, (yes, I heard you about the long messages; but, it is what it is... I honestly don't care anymore if you actually read this. Nothing against you, I'm just done with the people on this site. He isn't the 1st and won't be the last.)
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==Octothorpes==
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I have a song that begins with an unusual character... the octothorpe. Beckah Shae:#putyourloveglasseson doesn't work. This ({{lw|Beckah Shae:#putyourloveglasseson}}) just links to the Artist page that needs to be created, not the actual song. How does this get fixed???
   
:: Thanks for taking a minute to look at it -- for future reference, I'll not delete anything for a few days (though I did this time around because he'd done so on his page, where most of it took place.)
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Thanks
   
:: Anyway, to clear up what you'd mentioned on my page... because of his hostility & rudeness, I was merely warning him that some of the Admins don't have a high tolerance for it, and neither did I; and since I wasn't being rude/hostile/etc., there was even less reason to keep doing it; and if he persisted, I would report him -- (yet it continued, and got worse) -- I was only trying to get him to be at least somewhat civil -- obviously it didn't work. ___ That said - If someone's being hostile/rude/insulting/etc.etc... how is it wrong to say, Stop, or I'll report you??? Timberlake BANS for the mere POSSIBILITY of a "flaming"... and here this guy is doing it in all it's flam'y goodness, and then some, and I can't even warn him that he should stop for his own sake!? Wow. That's the position you take on that.... Interesting.
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[[User:SPIRAL|SPIRAL]] ([[User talk:SPIRAL|talk]]) 04:09, January 30, 2014 (UTC)
   
:::: short and neutral posts helps to keep things cool
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:{{done}} Done, - see [[LyricWiki:Page_Names#Technical_Restrictions|lw:docs]] for documentation and {{lw|Beckah Shae:Putyourloveglasseson|song page}} for implementation.
:: Yes, and as I explained in my message to you (and have the proof of), it wasn't until many, many messages later, that I finally left my neutral stance & called him a poser in my last reply. The fact that, that message, is the only one he didn't delete, is pretty telling -- as it's the only one he finally baited me into stooping to his level (though, still nowhere near the level he was at for most of it; but I digress.)
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:hth, --{{User:Senvaikis/Signature}} 12:32, February 1, 2014 (UTC)
-- and my initial messages were short & sweet... but as his got longer, so did mine
 
-- mostly because he kept twisting my words to suit whatever deluded point he was trying to make, when he wasn't changing his own story, or rambling about nonsense that is.
 
   
:::: it might be a hint on that there are several versions
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::Thanks Senv. Technical explanation is that the hash (#) is a reserved character to tell the browser to scroll to a certain anchor on the page. For example, the Link [[#Deadmau5]] scrolls the current page to the headline "Deadmau5", since in MediaWiki each headline gets an anchor named like the headline itself.
:: Yes, we both, in fact, already knew this. He (allegedly) created the entire Artist page & what's listed on it -- all the EPs, Albums, etc... he did NOT create the individual EP (Album) Pages for the EPs though, and that's what I was fixing. (creating the EP's album pages & differentiating them in Title, so they wouldn't mesh w/ the latter, album-versions, as they had been previously; and which I explained, several times.) __ (Not that it matters, because most of the lyrics to both albums which he (allegedly) posted, are also inaccurate as well; but I digress)...
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::Your link "Beckah Shae:#putyourloveglasseson" opens the page "Beckah Shae:" and scrolls to the anchor named "putyourloveglasseson". - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 12:56, February 1, 2014 (UTC)
:: We both knew there are at least 3-4 versions of the same songs, re-recorded & released, unofficially, or officially, from 2003 to 2011 (and still going)...
 
___ The problem, was that he was claiming the Lyrics I posted were incorrect, and insults on top of insults, while claiming he was listening to the exact "EP Version"... and I was deaf, dumb, etc. etc. ___ I suggested he was listening to the wrong version of the song --- either a Demo Version, or rough Album Version; but Not the EP Version.... he stuck to his name calling & mockery, saying I had all kinds of mistakes & wrong words, etc. etc.... in the end, after all his insults & everything, he could come up with only 1 single Type-O (I'd accidentally written "you're" instead of "your" -- I fixed it).
 
   
:: like I said... it was clear that he came to me looking for a fight; and wasn't going to leave until he'd let off some steam, because he had a bad day or something, and needed to bully, and talk down to someone...
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==MAINPAGE REDESIGN==
:: the fact that it took me so long to even call him a poser... and that it was all I called him, is a freaking miracle.
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I have already discussed this with [[User:Senvaikis]] but he/she asked me to ask you for permission as well and he hasn't decided yet. Basically, I would like to ask if I could redesign this wiki's mainpage. I have designed http://britneyspears.wikia.com/wiki/Britney_Spears_Wiki, http://elliegoulding.wikia.com/wiki/The_Ellie_Goulding_Wiki http://katyperry.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page and more!
::__ No amount of being nice, civil, and trying to "talk things out", was going to get me, or anyone else, anywhere, with guys like him, when all they're interested in doing, is picking fights & trying to bully strangers....
 
__ So while, taking hours, or days, discussing minor, or major edits to lyrics, may seem like a feasible idea... it's just not going to happen most of the time.
 
   
__ When someone edits a lyric, it's generally because what's there, isn't accurate --- so before the original 'poster' or 'editor' flies off the handle & starts berating the new 'editor', they should spend LESS time writing, and listen to the song, while reading along -- and if the edit is correct, no contact needed or warranted... if they still feel however, theirs was the correct interpretation & the new edit is, or may be wrong, THEN they can contact the new 'editor' & engage in a FRIENDLY dialogue.....
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So, please, can you unprotect the mainpage for a short time? You can always roll back the spam and etc. Thank you! :)
   
:::: NONE of that, is what happened here... and it was only AFTER all the berating, insults, etc., that he finally listened to the songs, and realized, I was in fact, accurate, with the one type-o exception. ___ Polite dialogue/discussions about possible edits, like you referenced earlier, can only happen if BOTH parties are willing to be civil, and SANE. ___ I tried, repeatedly, to bring it to a civil & sane place; but he was determined to get his rocks off & let out some steam.
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{{unsigned|Azending|04:25, April 3, 2014‎ (UTC)}}
   
:: Since the only thing I could have done differently was ignore him, then that's what I'll do from now on. __ I'm not going to be someone's punching-bag. __ Honestly, the only reason I didn't immediately sever contact, is I thought it may be the Kid-Admin in disguise, or a friend of his, trying to bait me into another "flaming" excuse to validate his original action -- but whatever.
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:Hi Azending,
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:I'm okay with a redesign, but can you deal with the translation system we're using? {{emo|:)}} I'll unprotect the page as soon as you responded to not leave it open for days before you even know your request has been approved.
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:Thanks, [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 14:10, April 5, 2014 (UTC)
   
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==Thanks for accepting my request==
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Don't unprotect the page right now, I still need to make the stuff. :) What do you mean by translation??
   
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:Look at our current main page. Currently, our main page is available in
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* English
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* German
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* Spanish
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* Finnish
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* French
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* Greek
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* Italian
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* Japanese
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* Dutch
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* Norsk
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* Polish
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* Portuguese
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* Russian
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* Swedish
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* Tagalog
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* Turkish and
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* Chinese
   
Okay, it seems like we have a different perception of what is rude and what is okay. To me, the first post seems legit... He asked:
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We are able to translate every part of our main page into different languages, if we want to, thanks to our templating system. Do you think you could keep a similar system? - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 20:59, April 7, 2014 (UTC) {{small|P. S.: please sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, thanks.}}
::: Why don't you just rename the pages instead of creating the new ones?
 
Your answer was still quite okay, but in some parts a bit infelicitous:
 
::: Because they are different, and someone did not take the time to create the EPs properly. Besides, all pages are correct now whereas every single one was wrong before.
 
This answer is okay if you're not talking to the creator of the pages. But given that it ''was'' him who created them, this might have pissed him off a bit already, because it reads as:
 
::: Because they are different, and you did not take the time to finish your job properly. Besides, I corrected them all because you made mistakes in every single one.
 
Depending on who you're talking to, some of them might feel offended, especially because "Every Single One" puts so much emphasis on that ''all'' of them had mistakes (as if you had written "you didn't care enough to do anything right"). It's okay to correct anyone's mistakes, but you shouldn't point it out in public. Well, I'd not take any offense from saying "you made mistakes everywhere", but it depends on your temper, I guess.
 
However, to me his response still seemed okay, or maybe with a light touch of annoyance:
 
::: (I did not only do half the job, because) I couldn't do better at that time, and (while you're teaching me about my mistakes, I can say you're also not perfect because) you don't have to add the comment at the top.
 
Maybe you can now see how this conversation heads towards the "Oh yeah? And you did ... wrong!" direction now where it ended up (you made mistakes everywhere - you added the comments, and they contain mistakes - you said they contain mistakes but they don't - here's a mistakes - that's only one, you said there were several - ...). I don't think any of you wanted to get this conversation to a fight, and you should maybe refrain from trying to take posts as attempt to bait you into something. This paranoia creates an "unhealthy" atmosphere for such issues, like for example ''I thought it may be the Kid-Admin in disguise, or a friend of his, trying to bait me into another "flaming" excuse to validate his original action"''. No that's not it, I promise. You said, and I agreed, and he accepted, that it was wrong to block you after the issue was solved. You can honestly trust me that nobody of us admins is eager to block a regular user here if he didn't do anything. We're not luring people into a mistake, that would also be counterproductive, wouldn't it? It happened, yes, but it was a mistake, I withdrew the block and Timberlake is sorry. He might have been too shocked when I called his attention to it, so that he forgot to make an extra excuse to you, but I'm sure you can take the one that's up above there as if it was directed to you, too. {{emo|:)}} It seems like in the end both of you say "okay, screw that, I'll ignore that user and that's it", and maybe that's the best solution. Cheers, [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 11:33, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
== Broken eyt/a ==
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EDIT: nvm, talked to XxTimberlakexx and he helped me, thanks!
   
Hi, Chris. :May you look at [[LyricWiki_talk:Community_Portal#Yt_object|this]]? {{small|not bad rhyme :)}}
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[[User:Tomi47|Tomi47]] ([[User talk:Tomi47|talk]]) 00:19, June 22, 2014 (UTC)Tomi47
:tia, --{{User:Senvaikis/Signature}} 14:08, May 13, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
==Question==
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==Lyrics Wiki Promotion==
   
Hey Chris :)
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Hi there! My name is Jamie and I'm on Wikia's Community Development Team. We're in contact with a potential content sponsor about the possibility of debuting a series of relevant music videos on the Lyrics community and drawing eyes to your work here on Wikia.
   
I just have a quick question.
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Is this something you think you and your community would find interesting? If so, let me know and we'll do our best to provide you more details when we have them. Let me know by leaving a message on my talk page!
   
So, I noticed some albums are ranked Bronze when not all of the songs on that album have pages. Take [[Dan Fogelberg:Portrait (1997)|this]] for example. Trainman Bronzed that, so I figured he'd know what he's doing. But is this the correct rank to give an album that doesn't have pages for all of its' songs? This came up to me because I wanted to Bronze Jimi Hendrix's page, but some of his albums don't have pages for all of his songs, and I remembered seeing some albums that were Bronze and had red-link songs.
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[[User:alwaysmore2hear|Jamie]] <staff/> <small>([[User:alwaysmore2hear|profile]])•([[User talk:alwaysmore2hear|talk]])</small>
   
Thanks in advance ^^
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Hey Chris,
[[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] 20:18, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
::There is a rule that all "subpages" have to be at least of the same rank to allow the parent page achieving the particular ranking. That is: for an album, all songs need to be at least Silver before the album itself can be upgraded to Silver. This rule does not apply for Bronze, though:
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Thanks for your message! Sorry for the confusion. Basically, you guys would get an exclusive first viewing access to a series of new music videos. We're still learning more about what the videos will be exactly, but they would be embedded on the wikia, I believe in the article pages. You guys really wouldn't have to do do anything specifically. It's mostly a fun promotion to give you guys exclusive access and to drive even more traffic to the wiki.
::''Albums at the Bronze level have been checked by a human to make sure it has the {{tl|Album}} and {{tl|AlbumFooter}} templates and the correctly formatted name. The song list should also be complete and song titles checked to be correct.'' ([[Help:Page_ranking/Albums#Bronze|↑]])
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Hope that helps!
::If the tracklist is ok (not the tracks), it can be Bronze. But you're right, it'd be better if they existed, I don't know for what reason they are missing. You might ask Trainman about it. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 22:01, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
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[[User:alwaysmore2hear|Jamie]] <staff/> <small>([[User:alwaysmore2hear|profile]])•([[User talk:alwaysmore2hear|talk]])</small>
   
:::Alright, cool. Thanks for the info, now I can bronze Hendrix's page :) [[User:XxTimberlakexx|XxTimberlakexx]] 23:28, May 21, 2012 (UTC)
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== SOTD Problems ==
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Hi Chris, you're probably very busy right now, but maybe you could have a look at [[User talk:Lichtweber#SOTD]]. The SOTD system doesn't seem to work anymore (since May!) It is not possible to work the [[Special:SOTD/Admin|nominiation list]] at all and ÜberBot is firing error reports at Sean's for months now. What can we do? Cheers, {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} 10:54, August 4, 2015 (UTC)
   
==The Dreaming, Pt.2==
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:Hi, well, I can use the admin page, it's just that it takes forever to load since there are so many nomination = a lot of source code to generate and render (there are currently roundabout 2480 nominations). I don't really know how to handle them, especially with the bug that nominations with the preferred date in the past are always shown accepted and thus are unmanageble. I need to get access to the PHP source again to fix that, it's merely one line causing the problem. Actually I should rewrite the whole thing, but I know myself - not gonna happen in 201#.
   
Hello Chris,
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:So what do you suppose I should do? Accept a bunch and then delete as many as possible? - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 01:33, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
   
I'm writing about an issue I'm facing & hope you can help...
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::Yes, emptying the nom list is a good first aid, I guess. As for the bug:
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::Can someone else take care of that, 6 times 9 for instance? Could you point him to what he should look out for?
   
Remember the guy who took issues with me Updating & Correcting his ("Green") Lyrics for "The Dreaming" (Band)? __ I had some free time so I was going to finally update the rest of the pages, and remove the "(EP Version)" from the lyric section, and insert the link/format you suggested earlier, which will provide links on each lyric page to the various incarnations of each song, in the various Demos/EPs/Album releases, and so on....
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::And: Do we have to appoint a new "SOTD" manager (I assume you're not free anymore)?
Upon starting this process, I noticed that the jerk had reverted nearly All of my "Bronze" to "Gold" corrections, back to his "Green Star" versions (and literally changed the Stars back to Green, as well as removing other non-lyric info, like album info, etc., from many of the pages!)...
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::And do we have to obtain special rights to work the nominiations?
Because most of his original (and reverted) lyrics were incorrect, incomplete, vast spelling errors, etc. etc... I've Re-Reverted the lyrics & their pages (Stars, misc. info, etc.)... and this time, am "watching" them, through changing "my preferences", to ensure he does not Undo the corrections, yet again...
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:: Cheers, {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} 18:06, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
   
The lyrics I posted originally, and again just now, are not just accurate; but they're in the proper format -- something many of his were not (they included "Chorus" lines, "x3" and so on)...
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::If I may chime in briefly, I just wanted to correct Licht and say that SOTD's been broken since February, not May.
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::Also, Chris, I'd suggest archiving your talk page - almost 50 headers and no archive for three years. Makes it quite difficult to navigate. {{User:XxTimberlakexx/sig}}22:02, August 16, 2015 (UTC)
   
I remember your conversation with this guy regarding his anger about my editing/correcting the lyrics the first time...
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::Chris? Any chance you can help us here? {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} 22:44, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
Since then, I've re-verified that "my" lyrics were in fact completely accurate, and again, they're properly formatted per wiki editing rules...
 
So the fact that this 'member' ignored your earlier conversation, and my previous correspondence (where even he admitted he found no fault w/ my lyrics, aside from 1 single spelling error)... Clearly, he did this out of sheer spite & vitriol... and he cares far less about Accurate Lyrics, than he does about being the one who "Created the page because it proves he's their biggest & most devoted fan". (something I don't give a crap about - I just want people to have access to accurate lyrics)
 
   
Thanks for your time... and sorry, I did try making this short.
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:::Hi, as I said, the page is not broken, it only takes really, really long to load. The role you need to edit the nominations should be the admin role, or "sotdhelper", which however I cannot grant for some unknown reason despite being a bureaucrat.
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:::I don't have a copy of the original SOTD special page code anymore. But I guess I can contact the Wikia staff to obtain a copy of the source again, I will try this out now.
[[User:Christien LeBlanc|Christien L]] 07:42, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
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:::And then I will go ahead and delete a large bunch of garbage or accepted nominations. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 13:17, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
   
::PS - I had another issue I needed help with, regarding an error I was getting; but it's settled, so, never mind the (original) first paragraph, if you already read it (which I just deleted)
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::::Thank you so much. Well, I waited for the page to load and then I was trying to accept or remove noms, but it didn't take. But maybe after a good cleanup it will work again. {{User:Lichtweber/Signature}} 14:55, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
   
[[User:Christien LeBlanc|Christien L]] 09:21, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
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:::::I think I experienced the problem now. The page loads and you can select the status, but if you Apply the changes it says "unknown action". I am not sure whether that is due to an invalid request because it submits too many status codes for too many songs, or because the URL has now changed to incorporate the "/wiki/" part which was formerly not in the URL. I send the request and I also archived a lot of my talk page, including a post that seemingly caused an exception to occur on saving the page. Must be one of the posts in the 2013 archive now. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 15:05, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
   
::Hi, I've tried to find what you were talking about, but according to his edits, he didn't do any edits to those pages since May, 2nd. Your edits are from today, so I think you refer to them. But well, keep me updated when something strange happens again. I'll revise the edits and versions then and talk to the user. Thanks {{emo|:)}}
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==The Living Sea==
::But I saw that [[User:Senvaikis|admin Senvaikis]] downgraded some pages back to Bronze or so. I hope you've already found out why by now, but in case you didn't: the reason is that the songs did not 100% match the criteria for Gold yet, just almost. The criteria can be found here: [[LyricWiki:Page ranking]], or shortly [[LW:PR]] (leads to the same page). Take this page as example: [[The Dreaming:What Do You Want]]. To be golden, this song needs:
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Hi. I'm a beginner here. I was adding The Living Sea soundtrack on the Sting page because someone had listed Ocean Waltz under Other Songs that were orphaned. I thought about whether you want to include an album which is mostly instrumental. I didn't know. So I added it. Then I got this error message and was directed to you. If adding this album is wrong, let me know. In which case Ocean Waltz will be removed from Other Songs anyway. Thanks.
* All information (especially the parameters in the footer) filled in (where applicable, you can't do anything if a song has no musicbrainz page for example)
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[[User:Looksharp|Looksharp]] ([[User talk:Looksharp|talk]]) 01:55, August 17, 2015 (UTC)
* The link to the wikipedia page, via {{tl|WP-Song}} badge (given that a Wikipedia page exists, in this case it doesn't, I'll get to this case 4 bullets later)
 
* A "Credits" section below the lyrics ([[Adele:Someone Like You|example]])
 
* A watcher (that would be you, you said you added them to your watchlist)
 
* The lyrics have to be certified by someone (likely you)
 
* Everything has to be documented on the talk page. The setup is easy: click on the white "Talk" button, and click on "Add topic". You'll see some filled in code. Don't change anything yet other than the proper star colour (as you want gold, replace "Green" with "Gold"). Then save the page. Now select "Edit" again from the dropdown; the code will now look different, the saving makes the middle part of the code expand to full content, called "substitution". Now you can fill in the parameters like album, audio, video and so on. Use "done" if you could add it, otherwise "not applicable" if you couldn't find it. Attention: "unknown" is not acceptable for rank "Gold" anymore, you have to search the information, and either it's there or not applicable like the missing Wikipedia page (you're not supposed to create a Wikipedia page, you know {{emo|:D}}). Last but not least you replace the Cert-comment with the {{tl|Cert}} template (reference on the template page), and also replace the comment in the {{tl|Watcher}} template with your name. This officially states that you are watching that page. If you don't, the page does not have a watcher, and it's not possible to rank a song higher than Bronze (yeah that's annoying, I know, but it's the rules).
 
:: I hope I could make it clear what's missing for the Gold rank, but as you said that the lyrics are correct and you will watch the pages, you've got those parts out of the way. If you need further help with the ranking, feel free to ask again here. But nevertheless I recommend to read the [[Help:Page ranking/Songs]] page now, too, because it's described there in a more detailed manner, I think.
 
::[[User:LWChris|Chris]] 16:30, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
::P.S.: By "changing 'my preferences'" you mean what exactly? You needn't change the preferences to watch pages, you can use the "Follow" link at the bottom of the page (in that sticky bar). You'll see the changes on your "[[Special:Watchlist|watchlist]]" (in case you didn't know already anyways {{emo|;)}}).
 
   
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:Hi, adding an album is okay even if it is mostly instrumental. I don't know which exact message you refer to by "this error message". But it seems like the page is working by now. - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 13:21, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
   
:::: Yeah, I saw the Star downgrades - I asked him about it & he responded; but thanks for the info all the same.
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== Song of the Day issues ==
   
:::: Yes, I was referring to his last edits (May 2)... I had not been back to the page since I stopped Creating & Editing the pages... due to the fact that I just didn't want to deal with his ("Salzion") b.s. anymore. __ I've been meaning to go back and finish the job - but I'd already started on "Drowning Pool" & wanted to finish that stuff first...
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Hi there Chris! I recently sent in a message to Wikia about the SOTD pages not working correctly since late January 2015 and they referred me to you, as the author of the extension. If you have an opportunity, perhaps you could take a look at the code and see if anything is awry? Thanks, {{User:OneTwoThreeFall/Signature}} 11:09, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
   
:::: When I got to The Dreaming page, I immediately noticed that nearly all of the (corrected) Lyrics that I'd posted, and many of the misc. Metadata for each individual page, had literally been reverted back to it's original state.... Original Lyrics, Original (Green) Star, Missing Album & Link info, etc. etc. ___ That's what I was referring to -- He'd clearly done this just to be a pain in the butt & to try & further pi$$ me off. (as I would have to Re-Edit & Re-Fill all that info, all over again.) ___ Hopefully, he won't try it again -- but, it's not even been 12 Hours since I finished... so it's too soon to tell.
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:Sorry, I completely missed [[#SOTD Problems|the section up above]] until I posted the message! If you're able to take a look, [https://github.com/Wikia/app/tree/dev/extensions/3rdparty/LyricWiki/SongOfTheDay the source is available on GitHub]. - {{User:OneTwoThreeFall/Signature}} 11:15, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
   
:::: Thanks for the info... (oh, and I had to change "my preferences" because I'd selected a while back, that I didn't want to receive emails when changes to pages I'm following are made --- and back then, I was using a now, closed, Gmail email account --- which is why I needed to update my address.)
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== Retiring the Song of the Day moderator group ==
   
:::: I'll let you know if he goes back to his old tricks... I sure hope not, 'cause doing all that ONCE takes too much friggin' time!
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Hey LWChris, I saw from a previous conversation here that you're no longer able to promote users into the moderatesotd group. That's probably a result of some extensive user roles changes we've made a while ago.
:::: [[User:Christien LeBlanc|Christien L]] 18:48, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
 
   
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Do you think it would be okay for us to remove that custom group entirely? We could add the moderatesotd right to the content moderator group instead (where thematically, it makes the most sense). Your content moderators would then be able to work with Song of the Day, and and you'll have no trouble promoting new people who you'd want to be able to work on it. Please let me know! Thanks in advance :) [[User:Mira_Laime|Mira Laime]] <staff />  <small>([[w:c:community:Forum:Community_Central_Forum|help forum]] | [[w:c:community:Blog:Wikia_Staff_Blog |blog]])</small> 21:49, September 1, 2016 (UTC)
   
::: Jesus Christ man... I feel like I've just been bitch-slapped... and the worst part is -- I have no freaking idea why! (and because I know his temper, I did everything possible to PREVENT it)
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: Hey Mira,
::: I honestly tried to make as much sense out of this as I could; but with each message, things just got more diluted, to the point where I can't even tell what the heck is going on anymore.
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: yeah I guess it's fine. The SOTD got out of hand a long time ago, because its admin page features neither pagination nor spam filters; hence I guess my former concept is quite outdated anyways. I'd have to rewrite the whole page, and I'll probably not do this within the next years, so go ahead, I think. {{emo|:)}} - [[User:LWChris|Chris]] 00:04, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
::: LOL, and considering he's an Admin, and prone to needing anger-management therapy... (and the fact that I don't have the patience for drawn-out b.s. like this)... I was polite, and for the lack of a better term, kissed his freaking ass more or less -- and still, he went nuts on me.
 
::: Please try & make sense out of this for me... I don't understand what his problem is with the "versions"... I don't understand what he's even talking about half the time in general (he's literally referencing conversations I allegedly had with other people, that Never took place -- referencing "versions" ('EP' vs 'Pre-Op', when there is no such "version", etc. etc.)... and I certainly can't understand why he's going off the handle & trying to bitch-slap me online, for no reason.
 
http://lyrics.wikia.com/User_talk:Senvaikis#Puppet
 
   
:: I'm sorry to dump this on you... really. I honestly have no clue what his problem is. [[User:Christien LeBlanc|Christien L]] 22:53, June 11, 2012 (UTC)
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::Thanks! Removing the group will require some work from our engineers. It may take some time, but it's already requested. Your content moderators have the moderatesotd right now, should it be needed. [[User:Mira_Laime|Mira Laime]] <staff />  <small>([[w:c:community:Forum:Community_Central_Forum|help forum]] | [[w:c:community:Blog:Wikia_Staff_Blog |blog]])</small> 17:52, September 29, 2016 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 14:01, January 5, 2019

Working link Edit

I left it unlinked because the actual categories replace "Template Name" with the first param... — 6×9 (Talk) 16:22, July 2, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, okay, sorry. I thought you didn't want the template page to appear in that category and had forgotten about the colon method. Personally I don't think that this replacing is that clever though. The following paragraph is the conclusion of all my theoretical thoughts about categories in LyricWiki, thoughts I had when I was designing the theoretical T-Line drafts:

A short essay about our categories Edit

There are three types of categories that LyricWiki has: 1) System categories, 2) organizing categories and 3) Maintenance categories.
1) is really easy, it's the categories like Category:Song that are necessary to make something (in this case the random links) work. They are usually sensibly grouping pages together, however they are not actually meant to be used by users to find contents.
2) are also grouping pages together, but they are meant to organize the large number of pages in a way that users can search target-oriented and find pages by attributes. The pages are intended to stay in the categories.
3) they are grouping pages that have a certain problem in common. Opposed to 2) these categories are watched all the time, usually only by admins or at least experienced users. The target is to keep them empty (that is a very important difference).
That said, it might be clear where I'm heading with this: while it is good to split the category tree of 2) into very fine branches*, we should aim for as few as possible 3). As I said the target is to keep them empty, so by default every page in maintenancr categories of the same type is equally important. A large number of 3) results in problems like the accented character categories; formerly it was sensible to differentiate by language, so people could pick the pages of languages they knew. Meanwhile, a bot (I think it's Senvaikis' Lwt) is silently updating the reported pages with anew copied lyrics that do not contain the errors any more. Right now, one has to watch 43 categories to monitor accent errors. If someone enters any other language, the error might not be seen at all. The same would apply for the IncludeGuard categories. We generate a dozen of categories that we have to monitor although they are ideally all empty and thus all would be equally important. If a page contains a duplicate template, the person fixing that should know which one it is.
I'd also be happier if we had one "invalid parameter" category per template-type (header, footer, flagging, info) opposed to one category per paremeter. The sortkey could be filled with the parameter name so that only a few parameters have to be checked if a page appears in "Invalid parameter in Footer".
* One addition about the fineness of the category branches: sometimes our template system overdoes it; typical examples for too fine sifting are the categories about award winners that are grouped by the years, because typically each year has only one winner.
-Chris 17:20, July 2, 2013 (UTC)
Funny; just after I hit the publish button I thought that this might not have been one of my better ideas. Changed it now to a single category (sorry, couldn't think of a better name).
Good point about reducing the number of maintenance cats; I suppose they've just grown organically. Easier (short-term) to add more cats to existing ones than to reorganize the whole litter.
Awards: I always thought that the by-year lists would be better off as just that (i.e. lists) than cats, but never got round to fixing it (and probably won't for the next few weeks). — 6×9 (Talk) 19:16, July 3, 2013 (UTC)

Couple questions, old friend... Edit

Question #1: I'm adding info to some of Vast's tracks. One of their albums was available as both a retail version (April) & as a digital download (April Online Version). The versions are different. So, when I put the headers on each track, do I label the online version as a digital download, a download album, an online album, or what? For example:

{{Song|April (2006)|Vast|album2=April Online Version (2006)|type2=online album|star=Bronze}}

Question #2: It feels weird labelling a song a cover that was co-written by two artists, but recorded by the other 1st. Two Examples of this would be Carly Simon:You Belong To Me/The Doobie Brothers:You Belong To Me & The Go-Go's:Our Lips Our Sealed/Fun Boy Three:Our Lips Are Sealed. Isn't there something else we can do for cases like this?

(I'm sure my questions are answered somewhere, but it's difficult to search when my sight is not totally back yet.) BeatriceBlue (talk) 05:40, August 3, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to step on Chris's toes, but I happened to see this, and I do have opinions about the answers to both...
Answer #1: In a case like that, it shouldn't be separate album pages; there should just be one page for the album April, with both track lists (because the track lists are so different -- if it were the more common case of the online version having a couple of bonus tracks, then there needs to only be one track list plus the bonus tracks).
Then, for a song that's on both the CD and the digital release, you only need to list the album once.
For a song that's only on the digital release (for example), you can identify it like this:
{{Song|April (2006)|Vast|type=digital release of the album|star=Bronze}}
That makes the text read: "...appears on the digital release of the album April (2006)"
If we were talking about an album that were only released digitally, I would see no reason to identify it as anything other than just "album" on the song page -- no need to do "type=digital album" or "type=online album" or anything like that.
Answer #2: Doesn't matter -- they're still cover songs, and the definition of what constitutes a "cover song" is based on the performances of the song (and when they were released), with no real regard for the writers. I note in that first example you gave, the writers are not "The Go-Go's" and "Fun Boy Three," the writers are Jane Wiedlin and Terry Hall. The fact that one of the writers was a member of the Go-Go's and one of the writers was a member of the Fun Boy Three is incidental to the "cover song" concept.
That kind of thing seems to me to be an example of potentially interesting music trivia, rather than something that has to specifically be called out on the page by treating them differently than other cover songs. I think it's pretty much handled by listing the writers under the Credits heading below the lyrics, as well as the Wikipedia link if applicable. Trainman (talk) 06:28, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
#1: Copy that. I'd recommend to merge both tracklistings on one page with {{h4}} headers, and then either use
  • {{Song|April (2006)|Vast|star=Bronze}} for a song on both versions,
  • {{Song|April (2006)|Vast|type=retail version of the album|star=Bronze}} for a song only on the retail album, or
  • {{Song|April (2006)|Vast|type=digital release of the album|star=Bronze}} for a song only on the digital release.
#2: I'm not sure I got that correctly. But if a songwriter writes a song for a different band and later covers this song with his own band, that's still a cover. Smile - Chris 16:38, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
I love you both! Thank you. - BeatriceBlue (talk) 19:01, August 3, 2013 (UTC)
Trainman, did you hear that? She loves us both! She's two-timing both of us! Cry - Chris 23:54, August 7, 2013 (UTC)

Formatting National AnthemsEdit

Hey Chris,

you (and anyone else) wanna comment on my suggestions here? Thanks!  · Lichtweber talk service  11:35, August 9, 2013 (UTC)

-> worst case scenario ;)  · Lichtweber talk service  12:04, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Question Regarding Hymns and Christmas Songs Edit

Hi. I posted this on another admin's talk page, and he suggested that I ask another admin...so here it goes....

Hello there. I've been trying to edit a bunch of Christmas songs and other hymns, and I noticed that there isn't a consistent system for handling these. Some people use Traditional and some people use Unknown and some people use Christmas Song, while others use Christmas Songs 2. However, I don't think that any of those labels should be used when we know the person who wrote the lyrics. I think the author of the lyrics should be the original artist, and all these other pages should redirect to those pages, but I wanted to check with an admin. If we don't know the author of the lyrics, then I think that Traditional should be used. What are your thoughts?
Many of the people who wrote Christmas hymns also wrote hymns that are sung all year round -- the two biggest are Isacc Watts and Charles Wesley. I have several hymnals, so I can look to see the credit information of each of these songs to assure that we get the correct lyric writer for a given song.
If Original Lyric Author Is Known:
So, my thought is this:
Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name
Then, other pages would be created that would redirect to the above, just in case someone searched for it under another heading. So...if it was a Christmas hymn, I would suggest this:
Traditional:Song Name (redirects to Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name)
Christmas Song:Song Name (redirects to Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name)
Unknown:Song Name (redirects to Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name )
Hymn:Song Name (redirects to Original Author Of Lyrics:Song Name )
If Original Lyric Author Is Not Known:
Traditional:Song Name
Then, other pages would be created that would redirect to the above, just in case someone searched for it under another heading. So...if it was a Christmas hymn, I would suggest this:
Christmas Song:Song Name (redirects to Traditional:Song Name)
Unknown:Song Name (redirects to Traditional:Song Name )
Hymn:Song Name (redirects to Traditional:Song Name )
That makes sense to me, but if you think that it should be different, let me know what you think would be better.
Also, would it be possible to create a page where hymns on the site could be listed so people could find them, but they would be listed under their original author. I don't know if this would work as a list I would need to have in my space, or a parameter would do this, that would be displayed by the site, etc. Or how would I go about doing this? Would I just create a list?
The same for Christmas songs.
Some songs are both hymns and Christmas songs.
What are your thoughts? Thanks. --Arwen4CJ (talk) 00:54, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
I want to add something else. The reason I suggest identifying hymns (including Christmas hymns) by the lyric author is because some people use different tunes for the same song, and there is often more than one hymn that uses the same tune. So identifying songs by the lyric writer would eliminate confusion. Also, this is a lyric site, so searching by the author of the lyrics makes sense. --Arwen4CJ (talk) 00:56, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure about whether you are talking of "author" because you want to differentiate between "author" and "artist" as "writer" and "performer", or if you meant "artist" all along.
I'll use "artist" because LW is artist based, not lyricists based. If you meant to distinguish between artist and author, we need to talk again.
Of course, if the original artist is known, the song should be placed where it belongs, i. e. Artist:Song, like Wham!:Last Christmas. However I don't think it's a good idea to put everything else at "Traditional". "Traditional" reads like "This song is hundreds of years old and is well known to everyone, but nobody knows who composed it." which implies there's no chance to identify an artist. Imagine someone who didn't know who performed "Last Christmas" would add the lyrics - it'd be "Traditional:Last Christmas". What I like about the "Unknown:" prefix is that it makes clear that you can possibly identify the artist and move the page. "Unknown:" has a sort of "needs some work" feeling, whereas "Traditional:" reads like "don't even try" to me, you know?
Futhermore I'm not so sure about the benefit of "Hymn:" redirects. Personally I've never heard the term "Christmas Hymn", and as we have no page that uses "Hymn:" so far it appears to me that "hymn" might be how some people see some songs and how they call them informally. It seems to be subjective which songs are hymns and which aren't. The only term I have ever heard of is "Christmas Carol". But anyway we should not use the prefix to group songs of different artists together - that's what categories are for.
The real problem about the "Unknown" page is that there's nobody who tidies it up. The system itself is quite fine, it just lacks a person who is eager to tidy up, a person who "adopts" the page and spends a ridiculous amount of time to identify the artists of the songs listed there. - Chris 19:45, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
Hi. Thank you for responding to this. I actually posted this message on another admin Talk Page, too. I wasn't sure which one of you would answer first User talk:6 times_9#Question_Regarding_Hymns_and_Christmas_Songs. I don't know if you want to have the main discussion there or here. Feel free to move it to that Talk Page, if you think that would be more appropriate. I will answer your questions, though :)
First, let me explain what hymns are. Hymns are songs that are sung in church services and found in hymnals -- most of them are older, although there are modern ones, too. Amazing Grace, Crown Him With Many Crowns, Nothing But The Blood, Joy To The World, Silent Night, It Came Upon A Midnight Clear, Hark! The Herald Angels Sing, The First Noel, etc are all hymns. I can look up these songs in the hymnals that I own and find them. And, yes, many Christmas Carols are hymns, but not all of them. There are secular Christmas carols too (songs that have to do with Santa Claus). Songs talking about Santa Claus are not hymns.  :)
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If the song is a Christmas song about Jesus or is based on the Bible, it's a Christmas hymn and carol.
If the song is not about Jesus, but is instead about Santa, winter, snow, decorating, etc., it isn't a hymn, but would be a carol. Songs like Jingle Bells, Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, White Christmas, Deck The Halls, We Wish You a Merry Christmas, Here We Come a Wassailing, O Christmas Tree, etc., then it is just a carol.
Is that clear?
If no one else would be interested in seeing list of hymns, I would -- as I would like to keep track of covers of hymns and such, so I could create a list of them just for me, but I would need help with setting it up, as I've never created a list on here before.
Okay, I think you and I are agreed upon what Traditional means :) And that is exactly my point. If we know who wrote the songs, which we do for many of these hymns -- for example, I can look in my hymnal and see that Isaac Watts wrote the lyrics to Joy To The World. Therefore, I think the song should be listed at Isaac Watts:Joy To The World rather than Traditional:Joy To The World. However, other people disagree with me, which is why I wanted to bring this up.
Yes, I see what you are saying about Unknown vs. Traditional. This is why we really need to discuss it. Some people think that if a song is in the public domain, it should be named Traditional:Song. But if we know the author, then that makes no sense to me.
Thanks for your response:) --Arwen4CJ (talk) 20:49, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
I guess, I am this "someone", so I have to say it again: Please read carefully!
I wrote: "all others (imo): various artists EXEPT you have a specific recording you want to list AND you can handle the outcome (i.e.: artist pages and such)."
I just don't want random songs appearing on one of the artist pages, I feel responsible for ( like Friedrich Schiller). Handle the outcome! | @Chris: FYI  · Lichtweber talk service  22:15, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
Lichtweber,
I wasn't meaning to attack you, as you aren't the only one with that view. I just meant there were differing opinions, which isn't a bad thing. And maybe I misunderstood what you were suggesting earlier, and maybe I haven't been clear either. I'm not talking about specific artist recordings, but rather the page that we are calling the original...the page that all other recordings are said to cover.
I'll use the example of Joy To The World again. A lot of artists have recorded it. Okay, so then what do we call the original one? Do we call it Isaac Watts:Joy To The World or do we call it Traditional:Joy To The World. That's the issue that I'm trying to work out. I think that it should be Isaac Watts:Joy To The World since he wrote the lyrics for it. But other people think it should be Traditional:Joy To The World because the song is in the public domain and a lot of people have covered it, etc.
And I'm trying to establish some system so that my mistake that I made earlier on Friedrich Schiller doesn't happen again. --Arwen4CJ (talk) 23:38, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
Here is a summary of the discussion so far -- just to make sure that we are all understanding each other:
(If I have misunderstood or misrepresented anyone's opinion here, please correct me)
1.) I'm mostly asking about songs that are in the public domain -- Christmas songs and hymns, not specific recordings of these songs.
2.) The main question is this: How do we name these pages? There are several different opinions on this, and there is inconsistency on LW. I think that all four of us in this discussion so far agree that we need to come up with a consistent system.
3.) Lichtweber and 6 Times 9 think that we should name all these pages Traditional:Name Of Song, regardless of whether or not we know who wrote the song.
4.) LWChris and I think that if we know the writer of the song, they should be called Author:Name Of Song. LWChris thinks we should avoid naming a song Traditional, as that implies that we don't know the author, and we have no hope of ever knowing who wrote it, so he would prefer naming songs Unknown:Name Of Song, if we don't know who the author is.
5.) Lichtweber wants to make sure that created on a given page would really belong to the author, and that we don't have random pages created that don't really belong on the artist page.
Questions:
1. If we used the Traditional:Name Of Song, what guidelines should be followed for determining whether or not something is Traditional? In other words, when would we use Traditional, and when would we use the Name Of Author? How would we define "Traditional?" (There are additional questions which would follow, but let's answer these first)
2. If we used the Name Of Author, then what happens if historical sources do not know who wrote it? Should we then then use the name Traditional, or should we use the name Unknown? --Arwen4CJ (talk) 12:22, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
At first: thank you for explaining what a hymn is (N.B.: you needn't explain it so extensively, I actually got it from "Hymns are songs that are sung in church services and found in hymnals").
They, I want to add a correction to #4: I said it should be "Artist:Song". It should not be "Author:Song", if "author" means "writer of the lyrics". The LyricWiki page names are X:Y, whereas X refers to an artist, i. e. a person or group who performed the song. If I write lyrics for an existing instrumental song, and I put the lyrics in a hymnal and 100 people in church sing it, it does not make me an artist. If I write a poem and someone else adds a melody so it can be sung, it does not make me an artist. That's the difference. A lyricist is not that kind of artist we are talking about when we say "Artist:Song", I think.
I think, these songs should be treated as "Hymn". I think you can compare them to national anthems and it is maybe a good idea to actually have them at "Hymn:Name" so that actual performances of that song (famous Gospel Choir recording, etc.) can reference the same page. "Hymn:" pages should be listed at "LyricWiki Lists/Hymns", which has a redirect at "Hymn". You'd be "responsible" for tidying up the page if Janitor adds "Other Songs".
Performed songs with unknown artist should remain at "Unknown:", songs that are usually not "performed" (e. g. African traditional songs) should be "Traditional" as the description implies. - Chris 22:29, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
Oh, okay -- thanks for correcting me on your position.
No problem -- I'd love to work on a hymn list and maintain it :)
New questions -- what should I do with the existing Christmas song pages...should they be redirected to the hymn page, such as the ones that are at Traditional:Name Of Song? And what about the Christmas songs that are not hymns? --Arwen4CJ (talk) 23:15, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
I just want to point out that the above was my position, not a final decision. I need to read what 6x9 wrote, first, but I've got no time right now (it's 1:28 here and I have to go to work tomorrow). Will answer tomorrow. - Chris 23:27, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
Right. No problem. Take as much time as you need. I assume that the final decision will be a joint decision that the admin make, and I understand that you guys are busy. --Arwen4CJ (talk) 00:57, September 5, 2013 (UTC)

Artist of the Month nomsEdit

So, looks like we're out of noms again, eh? I told you this would happen Tongue With school starting and all, I can't write a nomination right now (nor do I want to right after mine was already AOTM in August) so could you possibly ask some other users to make some more noms that'll last us a few more months? Thanks in advance, man! XxTimberlakexx (talk) 10:39, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'll remove the section. - Chris 19:13, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
Wait wait wait, what do you mean "remove the section"? Are you removing it entirely, or are you just removing it from the main page until we get another nomination? You were really vague there. Personally, I really hope it's not the former, because this site won't be as jazzy with only Song of the Day. It needs something more.
I don't know why you couldn't just ask some users for nominations like I suggested, though. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 20:01, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
As you can see I removed the section from the mainpage. I asked some people to nominate their favourite artist, they didn't react. I tried to make up a nomination, but it's too hard to write the things I want to say in English. I'm also working from 8 a.m. til 8 p.m..
I've no stats for you, but I think the main page is hardly visited anyways. I bet most come to any page by either a mobile app that displays lyrics to the current song, or by googling for certain lyrics. If some people come across the main pages, it's likely not a page they are going to read anyway.
And I think the AOTW and AOTM projects showed that user generated content is deemed to be not-working-out by now. People use their smartphones to surf in the Internet, and I can fully understand that they don't want to type texts on a smartphone. People tweet 150 characters, people comment on videos like "lol" or "i watn 13 secons of my live bcak", people hit stupid "Like"/"+1"/"Thumbs up"/"Share"/"Post" buttons a hundred times a day. But next to nobody wants to write valuable texts that even contains wiki syntax which is a horror for smartphone users. I can tell from the SOTD that even 50 chars seems to be way too much for most of our users. - Chris 20:25, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
Well, that just sucks. So, are we going to cancel the short-lived Artist of the Month project too, now? If so, you should state that on its page. You make a very good point, though. I think we'll be good with Song of the Day for a while, since it seems to be the only thing that's going strong on the main page, even if the majority of the noms are by IPs and you never know what to expect. The thing that's good with Song of the Day is that it doesn't have to be nearly as long as AOTW and AOTM noms had to be - so that's why I think it'll stay active for a long, long time.
Nonetheless, thanks for trying a new project, at least - I thought it was a cool idea, but unfortunately, as you said, not a lot of people these days are eager to write a good, solid paragraph for a nomination. We tried, and we learned from the result that we probably shouldn't try this again. Tongue XxTimberlakexx (talk) 21:47, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
Okay, well, I just put a notice on the Artist of the Month page since you didn't do it, saying that it has been put to an end. While I was at it, I moved all the recent AOTMs to the archive and also moved your nomination of D from months ago as AOTW to the archive as well. Should we remove the rest of what's on those pages, too? (e.g. the box that explains what AOTM is about) XxTimberlakexx (talk) 23:58, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
The reason I didn't do it is simply because it is not put to an end. I think we have tp stop with this "always or never" routine. We should display the section if we have an AOTM, and hide it if not. It's as simple as that. I've just not gotten to design the alternative section to display, like "What's your favourite artist? Care to introduce us? Want to accolade the artist page you worked on?" - something like that. Please don't get ahead of yourself by dismantling everything just because it's hidden from public view atm. - Chris 23:22, September 5, 2013 (UTC)
You see, you never told me this. That whole thing you gave me about how people aren't willing to write paragraphs for nominations and how you worded your response made me think that you were getting rid of it for good.
But thanks for letting me know. Make sure to get to that alternative section when you get a chance :P I apologize for getting ahead of myself, by the way. XxTimberlakexx (talk) 21:49, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
I'm working 13 hours a day. I'm moving. I'm studying. All at the same time. I'm kind of busy at the moment, so I had no time to explain plans that I hadn't even thought over. For instance the idea of making the section optional was born some hours after you wrote. You said "are we going to cancel AOTM? If so, you should state it on the page." and two hours later you tore the page down. I'm not that fast with making up concepts, you know? Wink
I just hid the section to make the main page look better, a quick thing that's easy to undo if needed.
If you've got time to maintain the main page: the queue for SOTD is empty for days and I can't spend 3 hours to refill it now. Honestly, most of the nominations are lousy and need a lot of work before I can accept them (add video, add goear, correct typos, remove slang, remove cursing, sort out spam, check if already nominated)... - Chris 23:29, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

Two different songs with the same title by the same artist Edit

What do I do when an artist has written two completely different songs with the same name? I found that MercyMe has two different songs named Beautiful. One song is on a CD that I have, and one is on an older CD. Thanks. I know I'm going to have to create a different page for one of them, but what do I call it? --Arwen4CJ (talk) 22:55, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Two options: if one of both songs is a lot better known than the other, put the better known on the page MercyMe:Beautiful and add {{WrongPage}} for MercyMe:Beautiful (Disambiguation) with {{Disambig}}. The other song goes to "MercyMe:Beautiful (Album Name)" and uses {{WrongPage}}, too. If both are equally known, I'd put the {{Disambig}} on MercyMe:Beautiful and add the album name to both songs. You could also put the year in parenthesis, but I think more people will search for it with the album name, not the release year. - Chris 23:24, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I would say the better known one is the version I have, as that is the Gracenotes version of it. However, to be safe, I'll include the album name so that it is clear which one it is. :) --Arwen4CJ (talk) 23:31, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
I moved the {{Disambig}} to MercyMe:Beautiful; if the page with the correct name doesn't contain either of the songs, it may as well be the disambig page instead of an additional redirect, I think. At least the way {{Disambig}} works makes me think this was intended, because the default is "PAGENAME may refer to:" and the pagename is only correct for the "X:Y" page itself, not on a "X:Y (Disambiguation)" page. - Chris 23:34, September 6, 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know. That was my first attempt at creating a disambigution page. I'm still learning :) --Arwen4CJ (talk) 00:20, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

Genres4SongsEdit

Hey Chris, a question came up. Your expertise might be needed. :)  · Lichtweber talk service  12:10, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Our ProposalEdit

Hi Chris, I wanted to invite you to discuss a modification of LW:PN with us. I hope ou can make time for that one :) Cheers,  · Lichtweber talk service  21:01, October 18, 2013 (UTC)

Some questions came up. We really need your input now. Cheers,  · Lichtweber talk service  17:35, November 18, 2013 (UTC)

Hi if you need help on writing new lyrics contact me--Kyleroering (talk) 07:42, December 30, 2013 (UTC)

Hi Chris, I answered your 'talk' of yesterday about my 'botlike editing'. I'm looking forward to your answer on that! :-) --Markcoutinho (talk) 10:46, January 1, 2014 (UTC)Mark Coutinho, 01-01-2014

Bando Da Lua Edit

Hi Chris! Diese Seite wurde von dir gelöscht – ich nehme an aus urheberrechtlichen Gründen. Was auf der Seite genau stand, kann ich nicht mehr herausbekommen. Ich habe stattdessen jetzt diese erstellt, da die Gruppe das Stück, mit einem eigenen Text, unter diesem Titel herausbrachte. Ich hoffe damit gibt es keine Probleme. --Ignor-the-ant (talk) 15:42, January 14, 2014 (UTC)

Hallo, die Löschung fand damals im Rahmen des "GPP" statt, dem Gracenote Placeholder Project. Im Wesentlichen war die Seite schon vor der Löschung gesperrt, allerdings durch einen vor Bearbeitung geschützten Platzhaltertext. Im Rahmen vom GPP wurden diese reinen Platzhalter-Seiten entfernt und anschließend vor Neuerstellung geschützt. Mehr Informationen zu diesem Vorgang findest du auf User:LWChris/GPP. Viele Grüße und melde dich, wenn noch etwas unklar ist. - Chris 17:45, January 16, 2014 (UTC)

OctothorpesEdit

I have a song that begins with an unusual character... the octothorpe. Beckah Shae:#putyourloveglasseson doesn't work. This (Beckah Shae:#putyourloveglasseson) just links to the Artist page that needs to be created, not the actual song. How does this get fixed???

Thanks

SPIRAL (talk) 04:09, January 30, 2014 (UTC)

done Done, - see lw:docs for documentation and song page for implementation.
hth, --Senvaikis (talk) 12:32, February 1, 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Senv. Technical explanation is that the hash (#) is a reserved character to tell the browser to scroll to a certain anchor on the page. For example, the Link #Deadmau5 scrolls the current page to the headline "Deadmau5", since in MediaWiki each headline gets an anchor named like the headline itself.
Your link "Beckah Shae:#putyourloveglasseson" opens the page "Beckah Shae:" and scrolls to the anchor named "putyourloveglasseson". - Chris 12:56, February 1, 2014 (UTC)

MAINPAGE REDESIGNEdit

I have already discussed this with User:Senvaikis but he/she asked me to ask you for permission as well and he hasn't decided yet. Basically, I would like to ask if I could redesign this wiki's mainpage. I have designed http://britneyspears.wikia.com/wiki/Britney_Spears_Wiki, http://elliegoulding.wikia.com/wiki/The_Ellie_Goulding_Wiki http://katyperry.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page and more!

So, please, can you unprotect the mainpage for a short time? You can always roll back the spam and etc. Thank you! :)

— The preceding unsigned comment was added by Azending (talkcontribs), 04:25, April 3, 2014‎ (UTC).

Hi Azending,
I'm okay with a redesign, but can you deal with the translation system we're using? Smile I'll unprotect the page as soon as you responded to not leave it open for days before you even know your request has been approved.
Thanks, Chris 14:10, April 5, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for accepting my requestEdit

Don't unprotect the page right now, I still need to make the stuff. :) What do you mean by translation??

Look at our current main page. Currently, our main page is available in
  • English
  • German
  • Spanish
  • Finnish
  • French
  • Greek
  • Italian
  • Japanese
  • Dutch
  • Norsk
  • Polish
  • Portuguese
  • Russian
  • Swedish
  • Tagalog
  • Turkish and
  • Chinese

We are able to translate every part of our main page into different languages, if we want to, thanks to our templating system. Do you think you could keep a similar system? - Chris 20:59, April 7, 2014 (UTC) P. S.: please sign your posts with ~~~~, thanks.

EDIT: nvm, talked to XxTimberlakexx and he helped me, thanks!

Tomi47 (talk) 00:19, June 22, 2014 (UTC)Tomi47

Lyrics Wiki PromotionEdit

Hi there! My name is Jamie and I'm on Wikia's Community Development Team. We're in contact with a potential content sponsor about the possibility of debuting a series of relevant music videos on the Lyrics community and drawing eyes to your work here on Wikia.

Is this something you think you and your community would find interesting? If so, let me know and we'll do our best to provide you more details when we have them. Let me know by leaving a message on my talk page!

Jamie @fandom (profile)•(talk)

Hey Chris,

Thanks for your message! Sorry for the confusion. Basically, you guys would get an exclusive first viewing access to a series of new music videos. We're still learning more about what the videos will be exactly, but they would be embedded on the wikia, I believe in the article pages. You guys really wouldn't have to do do anything specifically. It's mostly a fun promotion to give you guys exclusive access and to drive even more traffic to the wiki. Hope that helps! Jamie @fandom (profile)•(talk)

SOTD Problems Edit

Hi Chris, you're probably very busy right now, but maybe you could have a look at User talk:Lichtweber#SOTD. The SOTD system doesn't seem to work anymore (since May!) It is not possible to work the nominiation list at all and ÜberBot is firing error reports at Sean's for months now. What can we do? Cheers,  · Lichtweber talk service  10:54, August 4, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, well, I can use the admin page, it's just that it takes forever to load since there are so many nomination = a lot of source code to generate and render (there are currently roundabout 2480 nominations). I don't really know how to handle them, especially with the bug that nominations with the preferred date in the past are always shown accepted and thus are unmanageble. I need to get access to the PHP source again to fix that, it's merely one line causing the problem. Actually I should rewrite the whole thing, but I know myself - not gonna happen in 201#.
So what do you suppose I should do? Accept a bunch and then delete as many as possible? - Chris 01:33, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, emptying the nom list is a good first aid, I guess. As for the bug:
Can someone else take care of that, 6 times 9 for instance? Could you point him to what he should look out for?
And: Do we have to appoint a new "SOTD" manager (I assume you're not free anymore)?
And do we have to obtain special rights to work the nominiations?
Cheers,  · Lichtweber talk service  18:06, August 11, 2015 (UTC)
If I may chime in briefly, I just wanted to correct Licht and say that SOTD's been broken since February, not May.
Also, Chris, I'd suggest archiving your talk page - almost 50 headers and no archive for three years. Makes it quite difficult to navigate. XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)22:02, August 16, 2015 (UTC)
Chris? Any chance you can help us here?  · Lichtweber talk service  22:44, September 5, 2015 (UTC)
Hi, as I said, the page is not broken, it only takes really, really long to load. The role you need to edit the nominations should be the admin role, or "sotdhelper", which however I cannot grant for some unknown reason despite being a bureaucrat.
I don't have a copy of the original SOTD special page code anymore. But I guess I can contact the Wikia staff to obtain a copy of the source again, I will try this out now.
And then I will go ahead and delete a large bunch of garbage or accepted nominations. - Chris 13:17, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you so much. Well, I waited for the page to load and then I was trying to accept or remove noms, but it didn't take. But maybe after a good cleanup it will work again.  · Lichtweber talk service  14:55, September 13, 2015 (UTC)
I think I experienced the problem now. The page loads and you can select the status, but if you Apply the changes it says "unknown action". I am not sure whether that is due to an invalid request because it submits too many status codes for too many songs, or because the URL has now changed to incorporate the "/wiki/" part which was formerly not in the URL. I send the request and I also archived a lot of my talk page, including a post that seemingly caused an exception to occur on saving the page. Must be one of the posts in the 2013 archive now. - Chris 15:05, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

The Living SeaEdit

Hi. I'm a beginner here. I was adding The Living Sea soundtrack on the Sting page because someone had listed Ocean Waltz under Other Songs that were orphaned. I thought about whether you want to include an album which is mostly instrumental. I didn't know. So I added it. Then I got this error message and was directed to you. If adding this album is wrong, let me know. In which case Ocean Waltz will be removed from Other Songs anyway. Thanks. Looksharp (talk) 01:55, August 17, 2015 (UTC)

Hi, adding an album is okay even if it is mostly instrumental. I don't know which exact message you refer to by "this error message". But it seems like the page is working by now. - Chris 13:21, September 13, 2015 (UTC)

Song of the Day issues Edit

Hi there Chris! I recently sent in a message to Wikia about the SOTD pages not working correctly since late January 2015 and they referred me to you, as the author of the extension. If you have an opportunity, perhaps you could take a look at the code and see if anything is awry? Thanks, OneTwoThreeFall talk 11:09, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I completely missed the section up above until I posted the message! If you're able to take a look, the source is available on GitHub. - OneTwoThreeFall talk 11:15, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

Retiring the Song of the Day moderator group Edit

Hey LWChris, I saw from a previous conversation here that you're no longer able to promote users into the moderatesotd group. That's probably a result of some extensive user roles changes we've made a while ago.

Do you think it would be okay for us to remove that custom group entirely? We could add the moderatesotd right to the content moderator group instead (where thematically, it makes the most sense). Your content moderators would then be able to work with Song of the Day, and and you'll have no trouble promoting new people who you'd want to be able to work on it. Please let me know! Thanks in advance :) Mira Laime @fandom  (help forum | blog) 21:49, September 1, 2016 (UTC)

Hey Mira,
yeah I guess it's fine. The SOTD got out of hand a long time ago, because its admin page features neither pagination nor spam filters; hence I guess my former concept is quite outdated anyways. I'd have to rewrite the whole page, and I'll probably not do this within the next years, so go ahead, I think. Smile - Chris 00:04, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! Removing the group will require some work from our engineers. It may take some time, but it's already requested. Your content moderators have the moderatesotd right now, should it be needed. Mira Laime @fandom  (help forum | blog) 17:52, September 29, 2016 (UTC)
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