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SOTD January 16, 2010

Hi LWChris! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Enrique Iglesias:Hero has won Song of the Day for January 16, 2010!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 08:04, January 16, 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Sean Kingston:Face Drop

I see you have added you name to the talkpage for this song and "certified" it.
I don't know exactly what that means, but I have noticed some errors that I intend to fix,
along with some small changes in transliteration of "ohhs" and "ahhs," eg. "Uh, "is Nuh-uh, not "oooh."
I believe some of the smaller changes I will make will be interpretation but more accurate.
GabrielVelasquez 15:53, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the notice. You see, I am German, so I'm not used to which sounds might be as well interpreted as another transcription that fits better. Furthermore, if the sentence is sensible and seems to be a syntactic complete union and well-formed, then it's really easy to hear the sentence you expect to hear although something different was said or sung, see also: Michael Jackson:Thriller - "than any ghoul would ever dare try" which was "any ghost" before someone changed it - fits as well, so no one noticed it.
Feel free to edit these things, and of course you may even change my cert into your name. (Don't know, could be even a must, because it's not certified by me but by you now... I'll ask someone and tell you, ok?)
In general, everything I do is free to be edited of course, at least as long as it's not my userpages and the changes are meant to improve something and not to destroy... that's self-explanatory as this is a wiki =)
But it's great you just posted a note, and I'm always thankful for messages on my talkpage. It's something interesting to read =) So thanks ;) - Chris 16:16, January 26, 2010 (UTC)


Hey Chris,
Would you like to be an admin? It appears that the other admins (myself included) think you should be one, but just wanted to make sure that was cool with you too. Let me know :)
-Sean Colombo 17:54, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that'd be great! I feel honoured... Thank you ~'_'~ - Chris 17:59, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
Awesome! You're an admin now :) you might want to bookmark/watch the Administrator's Portal.
Welcome! :D
-Sean Colombo 18:05, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
Congrats, Chris! At least one joyful novelty... --Senvaikis (talk) 22:11, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
Ooooh thank you... - Chris 10:27, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, congratulations! I'm actually kinda surprised not to see my watchlist flooded with template improvements yet… You're not slacking off, are you? ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 19:32, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
That's because usually you already did a great job, so improvements are not necessary (except for some minor CSS shortages like padding: 0.4em 0.2em 0.4em 0.2em is equal to padding: 0.4em 0.2em. But I have to admit I'd like to improve some templates to simplify their use:
{{Cover}} could be used without Artist= or Title=, just {{Cover|Covering Artist}} respectively {{Cover|Covering Artist|Title}}. Unfortunately a bot would have to delete Artist= and Title= first. The same for {{Cover2}}.
In general I'd rename "Cover2" into "Covered" and "Covered" into "Additional Covers" for naming consistency regarding "Cover <-> Covered" and "Additional Albums <-> Additional Covers".
{{Additional Albums}} should change parametername #type and #artist into type# or artist#, so it's always ParameterNumber like album#. Furthermore it's type# in {{Song}}, too, which is why the change is even more confusing.

However all of these changes would require some bot to change templates first... - Chris 12:23, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

About {{Cover}}(ed): not all covers are same-titled, so your improvement would disable possibility of direct linking to the cover(ed) song page, doesn't it? --Senvaikis (talk) 13:48, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
"respectively {{Cover|Covering Artist|Title}}"
The same template code as now:
This song is a cover of "[[{{{Artist}}}:{{{Title|{{SONG}}}}}|{{{Title|{{SONG}}}}}]]" by [[{{{Artist}}}]].
This song is a cover of "[[{{{1}}}:{{{2|{{SONG}}}}}|{{{2|{{SONG}}}}}]]" by [[{{{1}}}]].
- Chris 13:53, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) :) - I was trying to take my note back allready, when you posted your answer ;). Just initially I thought you are supposing to abandon the second parameter at all :) --Senvaikis (talk) 14:01, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
It's possible to simplify usage of the template as you suggested while keeping compatibility – just use {{{1|{{{Artist}}}}}}:{{{2|{{{Title|{{SONG}}}}}}}} etc. Make sure to count the brackets… almost as bad as LISP, isn't it? (See {{Wikipedia}} for a working example.) Make sure to count the brackets… almost as bad as LISP, isn't it? I actually meant to to this for Cover and *2, but somehow kept forgetting…
Although named parameters do have their advantages – there are a couple of albums with "=" in the pagename which break the {{Song}} template unless you prefix them with "1=" (after which you need to prefix the artist with "2="). But those are rare exceptions. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:35, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
What's the point of counting if you forget opening and closing brackets? Oops...
I'll finish Special:DeadendPages very soon, I developed a script which edits and saves the pages, so I just have to create another script to open the pages (which is easy, the only hard thing is to prevent JS from loading all pages at once and cause extreme serverload). Then everything is done automatically. - Chris 16:49, February 12, 2010 (UTC)


Hi, Chris

May I ask - what's the goal of your touchfixes, running daily on DEP? Wouldn't be a simple touching sufficient for that purpose?
Seems that you haven't checked, but Lwt's touching DEP too, so if that's enough, then your script could make edits only on pages, needing real changes.
Keep in mind that all these pseudoedits are going into revision history and RC. Or am I missing here something?--Senvaikis (talk) 14:36, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
The pages are, as the name says, touched AND fixed (contrary to usual touching). The touchfix script is designed to remove as many errors as possible. About RC: yeah, I thought about logging in as "Botanic" next time => Bot => no RC.
I think it has to be via userinterface because usual touching a DEP as bot didn't seem to work, remember?
Oh, and by the way: I see this list as a chance to remove errors, so I think it's more sensible to touchfix them rather than touching. And the problem with the script is: it's not able to fix pages needing "real changes", because it can't fix anything else as it now does; therefore, every page is as (un)important as the others.
In opposite to this list, the touchfix script cannot be easily packed over to any category, because it's perfectly adapted to Special:DEP.
But somehow you're right about "pages needing real changes", I wanted to create another script that takes care of albums and multiple song templates... I already have an "albumwork" script which allows me to insert albums by opening all the songs from that album on the artist's page. It inserts the album and highlights the inserted text.
Okay, I actually have more than 25 scripts for LW, maybe I should really share them with you to optimize them (esp. with RegEx, until now I usually use complicated text cropping) - Chris 17:50, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
Opening and saving a page without any changes via UI is equivalent to touching and doesn't leave any footprint in page revisions history & RC. Now about statement that your script ' not able to fix pages needing "real changes"'. Is that possible? I just can't imagine other way to fix a page but loading it's content, checking for errors or other fixable objects, making all changes and saving the resulting content. Anyhow, script just must know initial and resulting page text, ergo - it can check if they are identical. Then, if no essential changes weren't made, script may just save original content (simple touching), instead of inserting dummy change(line) and making edit "real". I still suspect that I don't understand something, so then please be lenient to me, an oldman ;) cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 18:49, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I think I'll fully explain it now. The touchfix script is actually not one but three scripts: the first is active on S:DEP, the second is active on the edit-page, the third is just a one-code-line script to close the saved pages' tabs after saving. So I'll describe what they do:
  1. The DEP work (active only at S:DEP) - these are just the important actions, all others are layout and so on
    1. Checks every entry in the list
    2. Hides Gracenotes from the list
    3. Sorts out malformed pagenames (containing a questionmark in link or are not first letter UC)
    4. Checks move target for not first letter UC
    5. Creates XML-list for Lwt
    6. Changes the links to open in tabs, and not to open the pages but the edit pages, and appends a parameter "mode=touchfix"
    7. If there is a parameter "start=X" in the URL, it starts to edit (at list-entry X)
    8. It opens the pages one after another, each delayed a certain amount of time (currently 2 secs)
  2. The edit part (activated by "mode=touchfix")
    1. The page is already opened in edit-mode because script 1 changed the link
    2. Removes several common errors on the page:
      1. Replace "lyric" tags with "lyrics" tags
      2. Remove multiple linebreaks before and after lyrics part, removes leading and trailing blank lines in the lyrics part
      3. Gives lyrics tags their own lines
      4. Change ’´`‘ in lyrics to ' and „“”«» to "
      5. Adds {{Song}} where missing
      6. Puts {{Song}} to the top of the page
      7. Adds {{SongFooter}} where missing
      8. Puts {{SongFooter}} to the end of the page
      9. Removes |album = if the value of album does not contain a # (then the album parameter would be needed)
    3. Fills in the summary "Touchfixed (per script)"
    4. Clicks on "Save" button after a small amount of time (currently 2.5 secs), if none of these cases appeared:
      1. A bold task was performed (some template parameters are already filled in by Touchfix, but have to be checked, others are missing like language)
      2. Saving the page would create a new page (= the title wasn't encoded or decoded correctly)
      3. No lyrics tags were found (e. g. album or any other page - manual edit may be needed because of big variablity of code)
  3. After edit (active on every page, but limited by JS)
    Because a window cannot be closed by another window in JS, it's necessary to have a script to cause the window to close itself
    1. If previous URL contains "mode=touchfix" close the tab. Usually you're not able to see the previous page's URL, but window.referrer does ;)
So all I do is start the process via URL-parameter and then wait (I do anything else or have a meal or something). Every page that appears in RC was somehow changed by the script, because if nothing was changed, the edit does not appear in the pagehistory, regardless if there was a summaryline or not. Trust me, I really know that, because in the testing phase I often touchfixed the same bunch of pages several times, but only the first time was mentioned in the history although the summary was always filled. So let me repeat it: Every page that appears in RC was somehow changed by the script - or the other way round: every recent change actually is connected to a "real change" of anything ;)
It just seems like every action is logged, but that's because Touchfix may change so many different things, that it's likely that every page at least has one thing to change - Chris 00:41, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Chris, that's exactly how I imagined the workflow of your script. Anyway thanks for details :). Just I was trying to turn your attention to the fact that remarkable part of these 'fixes' doesn't contain any essential info. Let's take last two days passes, containing 722 + 734= 1456 total fixes. Remarkable part of them (503 & 560; so - 73%) has edition change-size between -1 & 1 B and cointains nothing but added/removed empty line (usually moving lyrics tag). Of cource, that's not a problem at all, and you may leave things as they are, if you like - I just wanted to find out if such changes were dictated by some other, unknown for me reason. cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 08:21, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
Hm, the script was meant to especially catch cases 4 to 9... too bad, the cases 1 to 3 (which are not really errors but changed as the page is opened anyways) appear to apply more often than cases 4 to 9 together, but I can't change the way the pages are formatted atm (except for editing them^^) - Chris 16:22, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

My talk page monstrosity

I think I'll take you up on the offer to help Archive the beast that is User talk:Sean Colombo. A lot of it is probably stuff that still has tasks related to it (which I generally leave there) but a bunch are probably totally resolved by now ^^
Thanks for the help!
-Sean Colombo 20:17, March 15, 2010 (UTC)

Die Roten Rosen:Morgen Wird Alles Anders …

Hey, why did you move Die Roten Rosen:Morgen Wird Alles Anders … to Die Roten Rosen:Morgen Wird Alles Anders...? I don't know whether there are rules to prefer three single dots to the ellipsis character. Though the space before the ellipsis is correct for the German orthography. gkeller 16:03, April 4, 2010 (UTC)

In pagenames, "simple" characters are usually preferred (straight single and double quotes, minus instead of n- or m-dashes etc.). Good catch with the space though! (I admit I had to look it up first…) — 6×9 (Talk) 17:08, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, well known as KISS principle, … character might not be supported, whereas simple ... certainly is. Furthermore it's likely that someone searching for the song will use three dots and not the special character which is a lot harder to access (at least with German keyboard) - Chris 17:47, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
At least on my linux system (with a German keyboard layout) I can just type AltGr+. for the ellipsis character ;) but I'm fine with KISS here (not saying I'd support it). gkeller 18:51, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
Even in the web? In MS Office, [Alt Gr]+[.] is just fine, but not in Firefox/Opera/Internet Explorer/Safari. Don't know if Iceweasel and Konqueror are different - Chris 18:55, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
Yep, it just works in every application (just checked the ttys so it's even not limited to X11) gkeller 19:05, April 4, 2010 (UTC)


Oh sorry, I figured the message was by some means, automatic. No, that's okay, I'll let someone else choose the song for Valentine's Day. Thanks anyway. Fingernails 13:53, April 6, 2010 (UTC)


[1] Until it is bureaucratically decided that sf.album should only be used where strictly necessary (i.e. not for aesthetic reasons) I think it's best if you only remove it when it matches sh.album exactly. Otherwise there'd be no point to users like Trainman painstakingly adding it. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:44, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

AutoFix/TouchFix routines updated. Please tell me if they do not work as desired. - Chris 19:45, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Daniel Powter:Bad Day

Hi, I noticed your edit to the lyrics and was wondering about the sources or reasons for those changes? Some of the changes in that edit are reversing some things I did in my edits of October 2009, for which I listed my sources in the edit notes. Cheers, Mikemorr 03:17, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hello Mike,
as the note on Talk:Daniel Powter:Bad Day says, I listened to the song (which I have on my PC) while reading the lyrics. I also used the referenced YouTube video.
Okay, let's discuss the changes in detail:
  1. {{Song}}.2type=album removed, type is "album" by default, so that parameter-definition was redundant
  2. {{WP-Song}} badge should be clear
  3. You/They/Uh, whatever it is, there is something, so either accept "they", or change it to "you" or "uh", but do not leave any syllable out, please. However, "uh" IMO doesn't make sense there, as "Tell me your blue skies fade to grey" would be imperative then. Imagine someone tells you what you have to say to him... - strange, isn't it? "They" is what I understood, could be "you" pronounced "yeh", too, but "uh" is just not sensible, because what follows isn't a complete sentence without a noun and I doubt it's meant imperatively.
    By the way, album booklets are a good but not the ultimate and final source, as they often contain errors (f. e. for this album which I personally own - every song contains at least one audible mistake (order of words/repeats of a line/...) in its booklet).
    On LyricWiki, lyrics shall be transscribed as actually sung and not as said to be sung (see here). This principle is what makes LW different from other pages in the internet, so it counts more on what you hear than what is written, as long as both seems acceptible.
  4. "Carrying" to "Carryin'" - I think that's okay with you? It's clearly audible.
  5. "your" camera - no matter how often and quiet/loud and slow/fast I listen to it, it's "your" for me and not "the", because I hear "yeh". Absolutely sure there.
  6. "Ooh, what a horrible day" - "horrible" is pulled together to "hor'ble", pretty sure, it's very clear when you listen to the song at half speed
  7. Layout of the three lines: new is better because "wrong" and "strong" go together, and there's no break between "could be" and "well"
  8. {{SongFooter}}.album removed, it would be needed to display a different capitalization than in {{Song}} for the external links, but it's identical and cannot be capitalized any "better", so it's not necessary and was removed by one of my scripts.
  9. Other {{SongFooter}} enhancements should be clear
- Chris 04:13, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
P.S.: I very much appreciate you came here first instead of starting a revert-war.

SOTD April 20, 2010

Hi LWChris! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of P.O.D.:Youth Of The Nation has won Song of the Day for April 20, 2010!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 07:00, April 20, 2010 (UTC)


thanks for editing the youtube parameters =)

i'll pay attention to it next time ;)

gr. Jeffrey 14:26, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Music and Lyrics Answers

The Music and Lyrics Answers site launched today. All lyric-related questions from Wikianswers are being moved there. If you have enabled the Wikianswers widget, you'll now see questions about Lyrics taken from this new site instead of from the Central Wikianswers site. If you would like to customize the widget, you can edit the text at MediaWiki:Answers widget user note. You'll find more help with the widget at Help:Wikianswers widget. If you'd like to be involved and join the admin team at Lyric Answers, please let me know on my talk page there. Angela@fandom (talk) 03:42, May 8, 2010 (UTC)


Hi Chris! You’ve left a message on my user page, and I answered there. However, I’m not sure if you’ll see the answer automatically (I’m not an everyday wiki user). Does one have to Follow/Watch the talk page of people they chat with? Is that common? Or are the messages “bounced” between the two user pages? Thanks. Bogdanb 21:43, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks & a question

Thanks for your remarks on my edits Chris. I promise to do better next time. And... I have a question. The artist Carrion - which I made my first edits on, has released an EP "TRES DIMENCIONES DE LA MUERTE / L.A.F.F.C."(2004) with another band called Lilith (which doesn't have a page on LW - the name is taken by another band from Bolivia, see: Lilith). The first 3 Songs are by Lilith and another 3 by Carrion... How should I present it on Carrions page? Could you help me with this edit? Thanks in advance. - Bartosh 11:16, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, so far, I replaced the links on the artist-page to skip the redirects. Thereby I noticed that you established the categories by hand. You don't need that, because this is done by the templates (that's what for example ArtistFooter.fLetter is for). I made a bit of research and think, the songs on the Lilith-page are for one of the diverse bands named Lilith, not necessarily for the one from Bolivia. Then again, that band from Bolivia is rather named LILITH than Lilith (acc. to their MySpace page). So we could move that artistpage to LILITH and make way for 'your' Lilith band. So far, my help-edit plans a page Lilith (PO) (provided that the band is from Poland, too, of course). Please note that the link-text says "Lilith" but the link itself links to Lilith (PO). Yet the song links again link from "Lilith:XY", because this is how it's done: only use (PO) where absolutely necessary to distinguish.
But what do you think? A moving of the current Lilith to LILITH and a re-creation of Lilith sounds reasonable, doesn't it? If so, let me know and I'll tell you when I'm done with moving. - Chris 13:07, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
Hi. Speaking about Lilith band. Well... My research has shown that there are two bands called Lilith in Poland (+ the one from Bolivia). It complicates the issue even more. But: the band that made an EP with Carrion is from Radom link, and was created in 2004. And another one was created in 1998 in Poznań. And as for me, we should rename the bolivian Lilith as LILITH, or LILITH (Bolivia) (because Lilith from Radom also uses capital letters to distinguish from Poznań's one), and create 2 new pages: Lilith (Radom) (LILITH (Radom) ? ) and Lilith (Poznań). What do you think about it? - Bartosh 16:30, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
Hmm, tricky. I'd say "LILITH (BOL)", "LILITH" and "Lilith" for Bolivia / Radom / Poznań, because the parentheses are usually just for the countries. A page "Lilith (disambiguation)" will contain the three pages + the information like "Polish band from Radom, founded 2004" and so on. The {{WrongPage}} template will do the rest. OK? - Chris 21:00, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
That's OK with me. ;]
I'll create the pages as soon as possible (now - 2:42 UTS / 4:42 local time, the database is locked). Please check if they will be correct. I'll notice you here if it's not a problem. --Bartosh 02:49, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Song translation

Hey there! I love "Alles Schläft" by Sellyy (video on YouTube). Is there anyway you could possibly add the lyrics and the translation to the wiki? Thank you so much! fingernails 02:09, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Green check Done by Chris 13:35, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Diana's faces

Nice joke, Chris :). Were you waiting while I finish updating all DR albums before moving all images? --Lwt 18:05, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Truth to tell, it would be nice to hear at least some comment - should I wait till you finish all moves (before running Lwt), or you are going to finish all the Lwt job? :), now - --Senvaikis (talk) 18:25, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
Ok. I'm not going to wait longer. Leaving all DR tidying for you then :) gl, --Senvaikis (talk) 18:30, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
Edit conflict: Hi, I wondered where these albums appeared from. What do you suppose what I should do? - Chris 18:32, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Special Pages

Hello Chris! I read again your last message to me (thanks for your help, BTW), and I noticed the “Special:” page you linked to, and then the rest of special pages. They seem like they’d be really useful, except that they’re only mostly useful for really hard-core users. Is there some way of filtering them somehow to only artists that I care about? I think simply filtering them by index (ie, what Special:Pre­fixIn­dex does, except for things like “Broken redirects” instead of everything) would be enough. After discovering LyricWiki I tried cleaning up a few artists I love, but I’m sure I missed some things, and I don’t have the time to search for many kinds of problems by hand. BTW, I’m asking you because you’re an admin and we talked before; if you don’t want me to bug you for things like this, tell me now, or there likely will be more bugging in the future ;) Bogdanb 20:19, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Poker face, "Cana reada mya poker face"

I don't agree with your edit here as even the acoustic version is not that way, and I believe it's beause it's a cutesy accented thing like "Cana reada mya poker face." Please revert unless you can find something clear to back up the change. - GabrielVelasquez 07:46, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, I know better than that, it's like "e'er" instead of "ever," it's dropping or adding a syllable for tempo, if she said nothing it would sound out of sync with the music, that's what it is. - GabrielVelasquez 07:49, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
Whatever you do, it's just important for me that there is anything, you can't deny that ;) - Chris 19:20, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Happy Wikiversary!

From what I recall, you've been here 2 years now! :) Time to celebrate: here, have some Cake! Cake

Yay =D Thanks, Sean =D - Chris 17:25, June 16, 2010 (UTC)


I was hoping to clear out "File:Flag - .png" from WantedPages, and it worked at least partially – it's down from ~15000 to ~11600. The wrong image link wasn't a big deal really, because pages with e.g. "|country = U.S.A." end up in Unknown Country Parameter and can be fixed quickly. — 6×9 (Talk) 05:45, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

"I was hoping to clear out "File:Flag - .png" from WantedPages" - so was I, and it perfectly worked as desired, because the "File:Flag - .png" was caused by a blank country-parameter, which was filled with "Unknown" by default. Working and top solution. - Chris 11:17, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Who's a bright little crayon then

I only just noticed your additions to my "pet hates" list. Slapshead I get the first one (gotta love that delete key), but what's the second one in reference to?

Bright Idea Today's lesson: follow your own talk page. And add to other people's so you can get some excuses to use emoticons. :D Eeepy 09:50, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Haven't you ever seen something like a header in the <lyrics> tags, like
Artist: L.O.L.
Song: WTF, or: How to build cakes
Album: T(h)rash-Metal
Year: 2008
Typed by: KiLLaMastA_36

Yesterday I bought some eggs
Saw a woman - pretty legs
Dropped the eggs onto the floor
Cracked them all, my eggs for

My cake!
Applause, applause for my talent to rhyme lyrics to songtitles with no sense - Chris 10:01, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
A masterpiece of songwriting! Had any recording companies banging down your door? :P
And yes, I have seen what you mean and I get it now. :) Eeepy 22:02, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
Believe it or not, but I actually wrote some songs for my girlfriend and sung them for her. But shhh ;) - Chris 22:26, June 27, 2010 (UTC)


Hi Chris, this is a follow-up to this discussion. So, if I understand correctly, the all-words-capitalized rule only applies to page names, and the display names should actually conform to the "typographical" convention for titles. Is it considered acceptable to revert edits that capitalize all words, then? (Like this one, except perhaps I’d conserve the other changes.) Is there a page with the rule you mentioned that I can link as justification for such cases? Thanks! Bogdanb 00:10, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

(By the way, I arrived here from MusicBrainz, capitalization is important to me...)

(Post-post-scriptum: I know there's a big fat disclaimer on every edit page, but I always feel bad about undoing or changing someone's edits on a wiki. I'm never sure what the social norms are in new communities I join. Is there a "social conventions" page or the like here on Wikia?)

Hi Bogdanb,
"So, if I understand correctly, the all-words-capitalized rule only applies to page names,"
"and the display names should actually conform to the “typographical” convention for titles"
No, not the convention but simply how the artist wrote it. In Japan f. e. English-titles are often UPPERCASE ONLY - and so is the display text. If an artist names his song "I capitalise The song For you", then this is the displaytext and not "I Capitalise the Song for You".
And about reverting someone's edits: if you've got a reason for it, go ahead. "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it" fully applies! - Chris 11:27, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Kool Savas

Hey I only wanted to ask why you edited the paragraph of the John Bello Story. I deleted some Songs because they there on the album but they aren’t from Kool Savas. So they are wrong on that page I think because Savas has no Parts in the Songs I removed.

MfG Optikus 13:58, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Optikus, but yet they are on the album, so they belong into the tracklisting ;) By the way, the complete Kool Savas page is in a rather bad condition, regarding the implementation of LW-standards such as LW:PN, the use of the {{ft}}, {{Album Art}} and {{clear}} templates and so on... - Chris 14:01, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Well the Featuring things I understand but not the others. What is wrong there? (Is there maybe the opportunity to explain it in german that could be faster.) - Optikus 14:13, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Even faster if I simply tidy up the whole page like I just did. - Chris 14:53, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Ahhh well thank you. Now I understand what was wrong. But one last question. At the page of the Artist "Sinan" (Yes I will update the page after your example immediately ;) )On that page you can read the name I.G.O.R. as feature at some songs. The problem is that his parts are in Russian so I don't understand them. But I can write the other parts. Is it bad if I would post the texts without I.G.O.R.S parts? - Optikus 16:47, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
No, just make a clear sign in the text (like [?????] f. e.) and put {{Partial}} on the page. That's okay. - Chris 18:18, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
Well I thank you. But unfortunately I have to ask you another question. At the page of Kool Savas you added the name "Optik Army". That stands for a label called "Optik Records". So I wanted to add the label page in that way: "LabelCat|description=Label from 2002-2009 founded by Kool Savas.|logo=Optik Records.png|website=" and I added it to the category Label. But I got that report: "This template is for use on Category:Label/... pages only!" I don't know what is wrong. Can you explain me what is wrong? - Optikus 18:37, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
Since when does an artist feature his record label? This is weird!
Well, if "Optik Army" really is the label and not a band consisting of artists from the label, then you should rather change the links from [[Optik Army]] to [[:Category:Label/Optik Records|Optik Army]], respectively in {{ft}} templates from {{ft|Optik Army}} to {{ft|:Category:Label/Optik Records{{!}}Optik Army}} to create "Optik Army" or "(featuring Optik Army)".
If it is a band, group, or sth. similar, then put this on the page Optik Army {{AInfo|This band consists of artists from the label ''"[[:Category:Label/Optik Records|Optik Records]]"''.}}, make a section "Featured songs" with a list of the songs and another section "Members" where you list the artists.
Because as the text says, {{LabelCat}} is only to be used in label (sub-)categories. - Chris 23:36, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
Ah I thank you. Now it works fine. And yes he features his own label. But it's not weird. It's his style. :) - Optikus 09:10, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
Okay. Please sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes ~~~~. So far, I signed all posts for you. - Chris 13:57, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
Okay I will do this. Thank you. - Optikus 16:17, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Chris

Hello dear Chris,

I am sorry i did not read the rules before. I did now and i will do all of them.

I have two questions from you:

1. I am from Republic Islamic of Iran. our lyrics have persian (Right to Left) text, how can i take texts to the right instead left?

2. Can i add a good page for download the song under the lyrics? (like that page by me and you saw it today)

Thank you and sorry for my bad english, Alireza 14:38, July 20, 2010 (UTC)


Hi, I'm not very experienced in this. Thanks for the advices about cover files. I alredy put a request for moving from Miranda to Miranda! I'm not really sure if I have to response in your talk page or in my own, but thanks. Sorry for my english. MarlonOrozco 22:24, July 29, 2010 (UTC).

Hey, I moved the songs, and I'll file a request for an update in our Job Exchange to update the artist links on the pages. - Chris 22:28, July 29, 2010 (UTC)


the lyrics of Lyriel are great!

please upload more of their songs

thank you!

greetings from Mexico! :D

- 21:03, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!


Thanks for going to the trouble of answering, & explaining, all my, "Duh!" questions! LOL I'd figured them out, but still, it really is appreciated. It's nice to know that the admins here do take the time to help us.

I wanted you to know I did answer your question concerning capitalization here. Let me know what you & the other admins decide about all that. If you'd like me to change them again, I'll let him know & get right to it! Thanks again! BeatriceBlue 17:10, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Help desk

What happened here? Did you start to reply before I did but forgot to save until 18 hours later? ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 04:39, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Um, no? :S
I guess I was using my watchlist, maybe I selected "show differences" and hit "edit" without noticing that I edited the old revision (despite that ugly brown box at the top). Hm, I don't know, sorry! Restore your answer and reindent mine if you want to. I think we said the same, only that you answered shortly, I answered more detail :D - Chris 21:49, August 17, 2010 (UTC)


I forgot how to do a redirect and I have found a redundant page. Erasure:Always is a smaller less edited version of Erasure:ALWAYS and should be deleted or redirected to the later. You are the first person I came across that might be able to do any of that so I am passing it off to you.
GabrielVelasquez 08:06, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

(see also Help:Redirect) To redirect a page, replace its entire content with #REDIRECT [[Target Pagename]]. Please note that, in this case, "Erasure:ALWAYS" needs to be redirected to "Erasure:Always" as the latter pagename is the correct one. Just move any additional/better content over to "Erasure:Always" before redirecting. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:41, August 17, 2010 (UTC)


(cont. from 6's talk page)

  • I'd need a list of "pages containing redirects".
You shouldn't expect from api to have a full set of ready-for-use functions, satisfying any your needs and returning only results you are interested in. But in most cases you may find some f-n, maximally satisfying these needs. The sample, provided on 6's talk page, is such a compromise. Yes, it's response contains all links to the page, but it may be filtered (on client-side) to contain only redirs. Yes, it returns links to that particular page, but it may be used iterative for any list of pages, given from any category list. Don't forget that you are using api under user (not bot) account, so any f-n response is limited by 500 items for you (5000 for bots), and one or other form of iterating is unavoidable nonetheless.
  • my scripts, contrary to programs like Lwt, need screen-scraping, or at least cannot run a command like "for all pages do ..."
Don't you remember that initially Lwt also used to operate as an imitator of a web-client, when all it's processes were driven by events of page, loaded into internal web browser control, and this page content parsing? But even then it was able to iterate through a given list of pages. I'm pretty sure your scripts may do the same, using NET-.DocumentCompleted (or js-.onload) event handling. This handler may check response and call the same f-n for next page from list, if response doesn't contain any redirs, or run another procedure for redirs replacing... and so on... But believe me - sooner or later you'll arrive to the same conclusion as me and get rid of screen-scraping as very slow, ineffective and unamenable approach. Use HttpRequest/Response, and be free to do almost all you may want just in memory, without any limitations, with ability to make asynchronous requests, and even multithreading (running several tasks simultaneously in separate threads).

--Senvaikis (talk) 09:54, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hello Senv, thanks for your answer. I'm actually using HTTPRequest/Response already to find out what the redirect's target is via API (""+Jobs[P][1]+"&redirects&format=xml"; P is a counter-var,array-field 1 contains a string containing all LtRs on one page, seperated by "|").
I need LtR only to check this question: "which sourcepages should my scripts focus on?" Iterative for every artist, this is a very slow and ineffective approach imo, too; at least for GreaseMonkey scripts. Ergo: maybe it is time to say goodbye to Greasemonkey scripts now, and definitively head over to cyborgs as the better solution for such tasks. - Chris 13:39, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
You'd be surprised, if you saw how fast may be just reading-iteration through any list using api and processing it's response just in memory, without loading into browser :). Iterating through all artists and their albums and detectig all redirs would run faster then process of redirs fixing (or any other updating process), even if you started up to ten such updating threads, working parallel :). So, let me only smile at your "estimation" that it is a very slow and ineffective approach :). That's why I absolutelly agree with the final your statement ;) --Senvaikis (talk) 18:59, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
Does that mean that unnecessarily checking 4999 of 5000 artists is still faster than loading the one definitely affected page into the browser? Hmm...
I used the API for the LWPN Enforcer, and it took about 0.5 seconds to load a list of 500 entries. I know that a list of 5000 entries does not take a noticable longer time to load. But loading 5000 artists would need 2500 seconds = nearly 42 minutes... whilst loading and editing one page needs ~8 seconds. So the questions is: how many pages of these 5000 are affected, it'd be faster if more than 18% of each list contains redirects to be checked:
  • 2500 seconds to load all 5000 artists with API
  • 8 seconds to load one and edit one in the browser
  • 2500/8 = 312,5 = ~300
  • 300/5000 = 6%
  • Loading a page to edit via API takes another 0.5 seconds, saving another 0.5 seconds
  • Therefore triple the minimum to equalize the times.
I do not know if this ragged calculation applies, but I'm still not sure if it's worth to try it for that task. The biggest problem is that my programs (contrary to Firefox) currently only handle Latin characters, not Cyrillic etc. I tried it very hard for LWPNE, converting to UTF, WideStrings, StringList and some more stuff, but it would not work, unfortunately. Sad Stupid ANSI Furious - Chris 14:40, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
  • Did I really said, that loading 5000 pages is faster than loading a single one? I always knew my English is terrible, but seems it's even worse then I've thought :). Mea culpa, - I just wanted to agitate you for more intensive api and webrequests usage, without loading all those pages into browser at all (and without any dependence on all those cached SP). Btw, some info about all these 5000 pages may be returned by one single api bot-request (500 for nonbots)...
  • Sorry about that, - my .NET experience hardly may be usefull for you, but two things may be mentioned here:
    • using .Net f-n UrlEncode(string, Encoding.UTF8) in request queries constructors
    • setting WebClient property .Encoding = Encoding.UTF8 (not sure, but something like .setRequestHeader("Content-Type", "text/xml; charset=utf-8"); should be in jscript)
nite, --Senvaikis (talk) 21:53, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
Hi Senv, and thanks! My programs are written in Delphi, not in JavaScript. My GreaseMonkey scripts are JavaScript, and they handle UTF8 absolutely fine. This is why I still use it so massively ;) I tried something like setting the Encoding parameter in the Request-Header, but it didn't work out yet. Probably I'll have to do some more testing. But not today, and not this week. Biggrin. Good night, Chris 22:03, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Linkin Park:Wretches And Kings

Hey, wie ich sehe, hast du die richtigen Satzzeichen durch diese, die man auf einer gewöhnlichen Tastatur findet, ersetzt. Gibt es dazu hier Richtlinien? Grüße --хенрик 00:26, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

es ist (soweit ich mich erinnere) nirgendwo als Regel aufgeschrieben, aber eine Richtlinie ist es gewissermaßen schon: du sprichst bestimmt von Dingen wie und die ich in " umwandele. Hintergrund ist eine "Barrierefreiheit". Während und lokalisierte Formen der Anführungszeichen darstellen, sind " überall anzeigbar, egal ob in Europa, Amerika, Australien, Afrika oder Asien. Somit werden Codierungs-Probleme (angezeigt als Fragezeichen) vermieden. Wo das ohne Qualitätsverlust möglich ist, sollte es getan werden. Diese Regelung bezieht sich allerdings nur auf Satzzeichen, nicht auf Umlaute und andere landestypische Buchstaben. Grüße, Chris 14:02, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

SOTD September 13, 2010

Hi Chris! I'm just here to tell you that your nomination of Ich+Ich:Universum has won Song of the Day for September 13, 2010!
Thanks for nominating a song and for contributing to LyricWiki!
-ÜberBot 07:00, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Lame avatar lives on

Oh no, it won't let me upload the other picture I have! Not sure what's wrong at the moment, but it looks like my blurry avatar with low Seanity will survive yet another day :/ Persistent little bugger.
-Sean Colombo 00:57, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

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