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Rocky Horror Picture Show

Frohes Neues, Fass. Before removing {{Misattributed}} and redirect the disambiguation page, you need to assign all listed song pages to their true performer and move them accordingly (Pattern: Performer Name:Song Name) Otherwise nothing's really fixed. Same goes for merging the 1975 and the 2000 release: First fix all the song pages (including page name and Song Header) then redirect / merge. I'll revert respective edits you made so far unless you agree on doing it right away.  · Lichtweber talk service  21:25, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

Hello Lichtweber, happy new year to you too!
Well I just spotted the reissue, added the new tracks from the reissue to the original release. So the disamb page was no longer necessary. I know that the song pages should be moved to the correct performer name, but I'm to lazy to do search the performing artists and move them. I have no intention to touch the soundtrack any further for now. So if you want to revert anything go ahead. All I did was an improvement (OS on disamb pages, etc.), I agree the soundtrack isn't in a perfect state yet Smile How about adding {{Misattributed}} to The Rocky Horror Picture Show (1975)? (I thought that was already there, sorry for my oversight).
Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 21:37, January 1, 2015 (UTC)
Well, your improvement would've been destroyed very soon by Lwt who would've added an OS section on one of the RHPS pages, and I would've had to label them misattributed again, or fix them.  · Lichtweber talk service  21:54, January 1, 2015 (UTC)
Alright, so thank you for pointing it out to me. I will refrain from touching misattributed pages if I can't fix them properly. --Fassbrause (talk) 22:06, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

Diana Krall

She's all yours, I'm gonna go to Ipanema ;) --ES (talk) 00:38, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your work over there :) I didn't meant to offend you, the few remaining OS were just too tempting... Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 00:40, January 15, 2015 (UTC)
What offend?! You got me started when I saw you posted her latest rel, then i noticed 2012 missing, nice working with you! --ES (talk) 00:51, January 15, 2015 (UTC)
Ok I thought there might exist some unwritten laws here like don't edit one artist while another user is doing that, so to not mess up. But it seems to work out great :) --Fassbrause (talk) 00:58, January 15, 2015 (UTC)
I dance around other people editing the same artist page sometimes, but most edit conflicts happen on talk pages, not artist pages! If chat could be targeted @userX, one could pop a chat at the other person editing the same page, but sadly, can't be done. cheers --ES (talk) 01:12, January 15, 2015 (UTC)

Reply regarding User talk:Cblupo#Removing sung parts of the lyrics

Thank you for pointing to the formatting article. I spent way to much time looking for that information in the past — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cblupo (talkcontribs), 19:40, January 17, 2015 (UTC).


Collaborating on a wiki in your spare time should be fun. So if there are different opinions, it's crucial to treat each other respectfully. So the next time you want to settle a controversial issue with another user, please do not just revert the edit in question: it's against the wiki spirit (you did that in our case, but I let it slide for now). Also try not to offend the other person - makes it easier for them to hear you and to reach an understanding. My intervention on the Koletzki page might have given you the impression that I did not appreciate your work. If that is so, I'd like to apologize and at the same time assure you that I am aware of the good work you've been doing here. I now restored the pages in question. I trust it you'll create the red link pages on that album soon.  · Lichtweber talk service  22:27, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

Actually, yes that was the issue, I felt offended as you simply deleted the page while I was editing it. Thank you for your kind words, I will insert what's missing soon. Sorry for not replying yet, I wanted to let the issue settle for today and answer you tomorrow in a better mood.
Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 22:35, March 11, 2015 (UTC)


Icon - Stop Hand I just told you that reverting an edit without discussing it first is against the wiki spirit. Now you did it again. I will leave it be because technically your edit is not exactly wrong. Nevertheless it was not OK. Just because you do not understand an edit does not give you the right to revert it. Instead of talking about "the spirit" it might be a good idea to actually practise it.  · Lichtweber talk service  15:18, March 23, 2015 (UTC)

Well... just to get it straight: Every time I find an error on that wiki on a page which an admin touched/moved before I need to discuss the change on his user page? Did I understand that correct? I'm honest here - I think didn't understand your words correct then.
I gave an explanation in the subject field why I made that change (as I do in >90% of my edits) - the name of the performing group is "Voices That Care" - you can find it on every cover of the single & any other database. Yes, I checked the history of said page before I did the move and saw your move. Please explain me why you moved the page from the performing artist to the writer in the first place Smile I never revert any user's changes for "policy reasons" - I only do it when I spot an error. I still believe that is what I did here Smile Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 16:12, March 23, 2015 (UTC)
No, you did not understand correctly. It's nothing to do with whose edits are affected nor wether you think a prev. edit was "an error". Also, an editor's note can not replace a discussion when you intend to undo an edit made by another user.
To make it simple for you: Do not undo another user's edit. Ever. Unless you got their consent.
Instead of me engaging in a discussion about this (too late: Das Kind ist schon in den Brunnen gefallen), I want you to ask yourself the following questions:
  • Was the previous version in conflict with any of our policies?
  • What exactly did you achieve with your edit?
  • How was that an improvement for LW?
    • Searchability?
    • Credit?
  • Did you actually assign any of the pages to an artist called "Voices That Care"?
 · Lichtweber talk service  18:42, March 24, 2015 (UTC)

Abney Park

thanks for the input. Its nice to get help. I shall refrain from removing the >lyrics<. Much appreciated. --Londo1965 (talk) 12:54, March 30, 2015 (UTC)-

You are welcome. Just take some time to read through the help pages or ask on my talk page or of any admin for further help. Happy editing, --Fassbrause (talk) 13:01, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

Tame Impala:Stranger In Moscow

Thanks for cleaning up after me. / Danke fürs Vervollständigen meiner Ergänzungen. :-) (talk) 20:40, April 10, 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome, I just spotted it :) Cheers, --Fassbrause (talk) 15:33, April 11, 2015 (UTC)

Of Monsters And Men:Little Talks

The rules state that "Scat singing, vocalizing and other vocal noises that aren't actual meaningful words -- "la la la", "doo doo", "aah aah" etc. -- should not be transcribed, unless they are integral to the song". The background "Hey!"s are not meaningful words for the song, and they have no place. Yes, it's a WORD, but so are ooh and aah. The heys are just background noise and not part the the lyrics. Plus, if they were truly meaningful to the song, they would have been in the lyrics in the lyric booklet or the lyric video. So, I'm going to have to change it back now. Linkdude20002001 (talk) 21:55, May 29, 2015 (UTC)

I found them to be an integral part of the song, but if you think otherwise, sure revert it back. I like what you did over at the Of Monsters And Men page, keep up the good work. Just remember that sometimes even official lyrics in a booklet differ from the lyrics found in the actual song Wink Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 09:44, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
I honestly feel like the oohing and ahhing are more integral. Hahaha. Cuz sometimes that's all the song is for a could couple minutes, or it's sung solely by the two lead singers. And then the heys are just kinda there for the loud noise they produce. Like an instrument? I dunno. I'm so tired. :) Linkdude20002001 (talk) 12:30, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
Well I saw them mostly as kind of break points, especially at the end of verses like "I'll see you when I fall asleep (Hey)" - but yeah, I can understand your point as well. I am personally a fan of keeping vocal noises for the most part, so you won't see me removing them Wink. I went ahead and did format the lines to distinguish the male / female voices. If you don't like it you can undo it too. The page is now yours again Smile
--Fassbrause (talk) 12:52, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Ooh, I like. I've thought about doing that as well, but I wasn't sure how to format it, or if it was even allowed. Once I found the rules,I saw it showed how to do it for musicals and such, but not a mention on something like a duet among band members. But you did it well. I'd do it for the other songs, but most aren't duet-like. And then I feel like choir parts should be separated in some way too if I were to do that, but maybe that's going a bit too far. Haha. Plus it would get pretty complicated in a couple of the songs if I were to do that. Thanks for your help! :) Linkdude20002001 (talk) 10:04, June 4, 2015 (UTC)


I just finish wikifying SSLYBY's new album, The High Country, I go to put it on their page and it's already there! Tongue I honestly wanted to create it for myself but thanks anyways.

(P.S. - you should really archive your talk page. Almost 40 headers.) XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)13:59, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
Oh sorry, I simply wasn't sure if you did know there is a new album. I just checked Musicbrainz and saw it there as well as the 2 lyrics on the homepage and decided to put it up. Will do the archiving. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 16:00, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
It's alright Smile Seems that Lwt stole some work too. I'm very puzzled, though, where did Lwt get those lyrics for the new album? I can only find the two lyrics from the new album that they have on their official site and I can't find the others anywhere. I hope these other lyrics are correct. You seem to be checking the pages and editing them, though, so that will ensure accuracy.
And BTW, if you don't know how to archive - you move your talk page to "User talk:Fassbrause/Archive 1" or something of the sort, and then edit the redirect and make it your talk page again. It's also preferable to make an archive box like I have on my talk page (see here - and yes, I'm going to archive my talk page soon, once it gets to 35 headers, haha) XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)10:51, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, although I didn't search extensively for more lyrics, LWT sometimes is a magician. I will give the album a listen, for now I just added the alb to the header. I haven't checked them. When I confirm the lyrics for a song I upgrade it to bronze Wink. Btw: I archived my talk page already but might redo after the first half of the year ended Smile. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 10:56, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
Sry for a stolen satisfaction, Xx, but as you've noticed already, these lyrics weren't "on a very surface", so very likely could remain in a "red" state for a long time...
Now about "magics": that's just a simple Google-, not Lwt-magics. When searches through all the standard lyrics sources fail, just try a simple G-search. If (usually) it fails also, - try the same with at least one text fragment, and (sometimes) - you are done :).
cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 12:52, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
@Senv: Yeah, I always do that when trying to figure out web sources of lyrics; Googling a fragment of them. But I did that with these lyrics and couldn't find them anywhere. The source you found is definitely an obscure one that was deep in the results. Nice job! Smile XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)18:52, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
Nice! Thank you for digging them out. I was under the impression that quotation marks don't work anymore at Google, you proved me wrong Smile. I will keep the text fragment search on the back of my mind. I hope Nic or somebody else can proof-read them as I can't complete them on my own. --Fassbrause (talk) 13:06, June 1, 2015 (UTC)
I did take a look at the lyrics, and yikes, a majority of them are partial. This is why I was reluctant at first when Lwt found that obscure source. I was going to wait until the band put the lyrics to the rest of the album on their official site. The album came out today, so I'd hope they'll go up soon. XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)12:40, June 2, 2015 (UTC)


Hi Fassbrause, can I ask why you seem to have created the page titled like that, instead of ONBC, as capitalised initialisms don't go against LyricWiki:Page Names. Unless it's pronounced "On-buck" or something similar, I'm sure it should be capitalised. Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 18:54, June 23, 2015 (UTC)

Hello Patrick, congrats to the adminship Smile It's caused by past experiences, which kept me still confused, so I just keep em lowercased as far as possible for the sake of simplicity. ONBC most likely serves here as initialism, but does that justify to keep the name uppercased? I don't know, seriously... Feel free to change it though Wink All I know is that apparently members initials are a good reason to let the name uppercased or "because that is the closest to the original's format as per [...] Wikipedia." But even ABBA Wikipedia16 <-> sv:Abba Wikipedia16 leaves me undesirable undecided and should be lowercased in my opinion. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 22:52, June 23, 2015 (UTC)
I believe that titles should be capitalised due to the following reasons
1) It stands for something
2) It cannot spell out a word (e.g. the word is entirely consonants)
3) The letters are separated by periods/any other symbol (regardless of whether it stands for something or not)
You can't really go wrong with this method. (Also thanks for the congratulations :)) Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 12:37, June 25, 2015 (UTC)
Your approach looks sensible. I will try to keep the reasons in mind Smile. Thanks for the additions/corrections as well. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 17:54, June 25, 2015 (UTC)

Deine blauen Augen edit warring

What the heck, Fass? I thought we agreed on discussing things instead of edit warring? The original song was written by Annette Humpe, so - if at all - the songs you re-added to the page as covers in edit-war style should be listed as cover songs of Annette Humpe's song. Read the wikipedia article you added yourself and fix that.  · Lichtweber talk service  13:27, July 21, 2015 (UTC)

Sigh... And I thought the issue was settled after your edit message... The WP article is trash... Did you listen to the source I provided? Yes, she has written the song (as in: She is the writer); Yet the first recorded/released version was with the band Neonbabies in 1979. After she moved to her new band Ideal in mid 1980, the song was recorded by the band as well (Not explictly enough written in the Wikipedia article, agreed - even though the her german WP article Wikipedia16 alludes to the fact. So, in short: There is no version by Annette herself. The first version was by Neonbabies. The version of Ideal followed one year later. It might be dicussworthy whether you wanna list the Ideal version in the cover section or in the trivia / sinfo section. But the covers should go to the first released version. --Fassbrause (talk) 13:39, July 21, 2015 (UTC)
Kingnee - Musicbrainz Will you fix it yourself? Or do I have to?  · Lichtweber talk service  13:53, July 21, 2015 (UTC)
I removed the cover links between both songs. Both versions are linked by the trivia section. The covers are listed under the Neonbabies version. I'm not sure what your MB link is good for here without any further description. There is nothing more to fix. --Fassbrause (talk) 14:05, July 21, 2015 (UTC)
I fixed it. In this case, {{Cover}} and {{Covered}} are not applicable. Instead, {{CreditBox}} is the right place to note original artist. Alternatively, you could create a Root page and use it as reference for covers.
Next time you discuss it before undoing an edit. I am always ready to discuss things. But definitely not this way. This is the last time, Fass.  · Lichtweber talk service  13:25, July 22, 2015 (UTC)
I don't see how removing any references to cover versions / from cover versions is a fix when you remove any link to the original song. There are official covers which should be linked to either of the both song pages. As I told you above, we can discuss to list the covers on the Ideal page instead, but there is no point to remove them completely. See, the first performing band of the song was Neonbabies, so it makes sense to list the covers there. Once again, I will repeat it for you, as you never seem to read my messages / listen to sources: There is no performed solo version by Annette Humpe, so please don't pretend there is one. Why do you think the WP article has a big warning sign?
So to finally settle the issue I propose you revert your latest edit on the Neonbabies page.
I'm all for Root pages here, I would really like to finally edit some classical pieces and more traditionals, but as long as root pages are not official I will refrain from doing so. If you need help with it I will gladly help you to make it official.

PS: Just a kindly reminder how it all started: Your edit, inserting wrong information. I corrected it while providing a reliable source why I did that. The issue was settled for me. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill every time... Jeez...--Fassbrause (talk) 23:52, July 23, 2015 (UTC)
I have to admit, LW, Fass does have a point. Why should Annette Humpe have a page for this song if she never performed it solo? And removing the cover templates from the different pages will just make it more difficult for users to navigate between versions. So surely we should just treat the first-released version of the song as the "original" and treat all others as covers, even if some versions aren't technically covers because they were released around the same time? (However I may be piecing this together wrong as I don't speak German so I just used Google Translate on the sources...) Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 12:05, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
Thx for your input, Pat. This is one of the reasons why we're introducing root pages now: Not to be forced to give credits to the wrong people. E.g. nowadays, we do not have to label recordings of House of the Rising Sun as cover versions of The Animals' song anymore. We're now able to correctly credit them to the American traditional song, although it was officially released decades later.
Now here we have a song performed by the author herself in two different bands. We have the means to avoid misattribution and at the same time connect these songs:
  • create a root page for use in {{Cover}}, i.e. "Annette Humpe:Blaue Augen", or better yet
  • create a disambig page -pointing at both recorded versions- for use in {{Cover}}, i.e. "Annette Humpe:Blaue Augen"
I'd set up the latter and then add the fixed cover list to resp. pages. Could you agree to that, Fass and Pat?
@Fass: We actually do have the means to create root pages, we just have to do it :) See #8 of the root page discussion  · Lichtweber talk service  15:00, July 24, 2015 (UTC)
[edit conflict] LW practice is and has been to put Covered on the first released version and Cover on all versions by other artists. The Police:Demolition Man is a cover, though Sting wrote it, because Grace Jones' version was the first to be released. Similarly, if Blaue Augen was first released by Neonbabies, then that is the original (and gets the Covered template) while all other versions (including one by A. Humpe, should she ever release it under her own name) are covers.
There's not even a reason for creating a root page: unless my leaky memory deceives me, those were intended only for songs where no original version could be ascertained (i.e. usually traditionals)?
[post-edit conflict] As for giving credit to the wrong people: the creditbox lists AH as the author. How is that wrong? Or do you seriously suggest we create a root page for every single song that is not a joint composition by the band who originally released it? I hope you are aware that that would be the case for the majority of our currently > 1.5 million songs. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:10, July 24, 2015 (UTC)

That's not my intention. But there should be a disambig page for "Blaue Augen" anyways, thus we can as well use it as ref for covers. More appropriate than referring to one of the recordings imo.  · Lichtweber talk service  15:24, July 24, 2015 (UTC)

Not appropriate at all IMO: 1) the other versions are covers by definition, and the logical place to ref them is the original version; 2) disambig pages are for pagename conflicts, which isn't the case here. — 6×9 (Talk) 06:33, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
I restored the covered list. done  · Lichtweber talk service  10:54, July 25, 2015 (UTC)
I am really sorry I for my late reply, but I was disconnected due to technical issues... 6x9 and Patzilla wrote the reasonings down better than I ever could, I fully agree with you. I thank you for the restoration of the covered list Lichtweber! And I will need to take a closer look at the Root Pages proposal, I always regarded it as a draft for now. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 15:54, July 30, 2015 (UTC)

LyricWiki:Page Names - Naruto-ナルト-オリジナルサウンドトラック (2003)

NARUTO-ナルト-... (1914) >> Naruto-ナルト-... (1914) --ES (talk) 08:55, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I fucked up once again...Is there a bot thing which can follow redirects and update the song header? Else I will go and touch every page again per hand. Sorry! But I got to go for now, but will do it later! Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 09:03, August 18, 2015 (UTC)
done --Fassbrause (talk) 10:43, August 18, 2015 (UTC)

Now I Can't Find the Door

Thanks for the correction on Sam Phillips's Now I Can't Find the Door. Looksharp (talk) 16:24, September 9, 2015 (UTC)

Hello and welcome Looksharp!
I have to thank you instead for your great corrections & additions over here, I only fixed a minor issue Wink. Have fun and keep it up. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 16:31, September 9, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the welcome! And for the help. I'm still learning. I'm trying not to make dumb mistakes like the ones you corrected. Usually that happens when I go too fast.
You understand German, French, and English? Smart guy. I feel like a dumb American.
Looksharp (talk) 16:39, September 9, 2015 (UTC)
Haha, no problem at all; everyone makes some from time to time. I just spotted it while the edit scrolled at the Recent Wiki Activity page and the song page got added to the Category:Invalid ASIN Parameter.
Yeah, my French is a bit rusty though. The German educational system allows to learn two foreign languages easily, so it's not uncommon Wink --Fassbrause (talk) 16:50, September 9, 2015 (UTC)

Edit war

Here's the topic and here's song's history page. I've tried to reason with CV and state why I did these changes, but I got no response at all. I'm synchronizing all lyrics uploaded by me and correcting all the things that I think need fixing. I don't want to start an edit war, 'cause it's forbidden and inappropriate, though I've never been into situation like this and I want to know how should I react. After one week without response I re-uploaded my changes and it's deleted again. What should I do? TIA --Ozpl (talk) 14:31, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ozpl, you and CV already got into the edit war by re-reverting each other's edits. Please avoid such a situation and seek communication with the other one instead re-reverting edits. When you cannot resolve a dispute call in a third party. I just posted a message at CV's talk page. I hope this is settled now. In case the other user doesn't respond within a reasonable time period you can always contact me or any other admin.  · Lichtweber talk service  16:02, September 25, 2015 (UTC)
Hello Ozpl18! Well, I did listen to the song myself before making actual "changes" and found it in line with the latest version provided by ChampagneVomit. Clearly the first verse starts with "This", not "his". The line breaks are in flow with the lyrics as being sung; IMO the only change discuss-worthy is the "something"/"somethin" issue, though I can't help you with it. English isn't my native language, I cannot judge the it for sure. I can provide you however a cropped, sharpened, yet still blurry image of the vinyl back (Source) with the official lyrics, which state "something" is correct. So I'll leave it as it is and make another fix ("you'll leave" -> "you leave") based on above picture. I guess the correct way to handle these issues is to contact an admin when you are sure your edit is the correct one; They can warn the user for not commenting on their talk pages or protect the song page. Hope it helps! Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 16:07, September 25, 2015 (UTC)

MB Check

Hi Fass, since you're an MB editor I wanted to ask you if you can verify that Kingnee - Musicbrainz this is an approved and sufficiently checked mb entry. It has false LyricsWikia and Wikipedia entries, for one .. Please let me know. Thx in advance,  · Lichtweber talk service  18:44, October 21, 2015 (UTC)

Hello! Well, almost everything (-some bot's work) of the artist at MB was added by only one editor named "EagleOwlRecords" since August 2015. Every release is rated 5 stars; So, yeah, it smells fishy.
On the other hand you can listen to the "music" @ Spotify. Most of them don't contain lyrics. But there are some with faintly lyrics (Fucking! for example), so I don't know how to proceed. You can buy his goods digital on various platforms, doesn't that make him a legitimate artist, even if his biopic is most probably fake? Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 19:06, October 21, 2015 (UTC)
Thx for the quick reply, man! Well, same user tried to add a WP entry twice, several other inconsistencies in other external srcs. Definitely someone who takes a broad approach on things ;). Not sure if this is legit, though. So what's the procedure with mb, isn't there someone who checks validity?  · Lichtweber talk service  19:37, October 21, 2015 (UTC)
Yes, every important site got entries for KHarlles, that looks pretty suspicious to me as well. I'm am not sure if it is legit, too (if so, the guy did his homework) - the same goes btw for Racheal22k. Audio files only available on Soundcloud or BandCamp (self-published), beats overdubbed by a speech-synthesis-software...
Anyone can enter information, releases etc to MB, at least that's my experience so far. Minor editings get auto accepted (for example linking a cover to the original song release). External links, new releases need to be accepted. That happens when someone votes for your edit or a 7 day period is over without any votes/objections. So it is possible to create an artist with complete discography (when you have enough external links to back you up/make you look credible) all by yourself, afaik. I like to trust MB myself too all the time, yet you shouldn't take it as a holy grail. --Fassbrause (talk) 21:14, October 21, 2015 (UTC)
Is it possible to report dubious entries somewhere @MB?  · Lichtweber talk service  15:43, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
I didn't find any official ways in the docs, but informed one more experienced user per mail of the artist and asked how to verify artists in general. Let's see how it turns out. --Fassbrause (talk) 16:42, October 22, 2015 (UTC)
Alright, there is no central report function at MB; basically you only got the voting feature (with its limitations as described above) and the option to remove fake releases - in the case of above artist most of them are available at Google Play & Spotify, so they will stay at MB.
Should we allow an artist page at LW? Well, we should allow it in my opinion in theory, as it is an "artist". The only problem is that the lyrics he provided to other lyric sites never match any of his tunes I checked against (95% are instrumentals anyway) - and I refuse to let anyone enter intentionally wrong lyrics over here. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 23:31, October 22, 2015 (UTC)


Hi Fass, I noticed that this band doesen't appear on MusicBrainz. Do you have Zeit and Lust to add them there? And then add a link on WL? Gruß aus Berlin, Igor - Ignor-the-ant (talk) 20:35, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

I've just seen that they are already there (but not their releases, only appearing on compilations). When I klicked on the MB button before, it said "Not found". Strage. Ignor-the-ant (talk) 21:32, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
Hello Igor, yeah I spotted them already :) I will add the albums for you, I hope that is enough. I saw a difference in the track list of the alb here and at Discogs/Amazon: They have "Peek-A-Boo" and "Ich Liebe Dich (Chantilly Lace)" while you have "Peek-A-Boo (Chantilly Lace)" only. Did you merge the two tracks into one or simply forget about one? I woule like to clarify that first before I create the release :) Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 22:15, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
Now it's OK. The track was there, but - I don't know why - it dissappeared. Did somethting wrong. ;-) But: "Ich Liebe Dich" is wrong - correct is: "Ich Liebe You" (see picture of the disc label, side 2 on Discogs). Ignor-the-ant (talk) 22:53, October 28, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your prompt answer, I hope I entered everything correct. I also added the 2 other known albums according to Discogs, in case you want to enter lyrics for them in the future. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 23:46, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Thx! (Hast'n Bier bei mir gut! ;-) ) Ignor-the-ant (talk) 00:09, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

. . . just seen: You created a new page for Wilken F. Dincklage, but Willem was already there! I think it's better to list him as "Willem", because that's the name he used for performing. For his various aliase see Willem. Ignor-the-ant (talk) 00:18, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
Actually, the first artist page was already there (with 1 other song), what happened now is that the newly created songs/album by me got added to this artist page. I am not quite sure how MB handles aliases of artists. I followed the LW principle (the same way Discogs does it) and credited the songs to his alias/performing name Willem, while they get sorted in to his actual name. In the future, a more experienced user needs to merge both pages ;). Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 00:28, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
... of course not a beer - but a "Original Rixdorfer Fassbrause"! ;-) ) Ignor-the-ant (talk) 00:35, October 29, 2015 (UTC)
Tasty ;) You know, I'm just a dwarf on the shoulders of giants like you. Wikipedia16 So I have to thank you for the work you are doing here every day. --Fassbrause (talk) 00:44, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

I only seem to be a giant Wikipedia16, cause I'm standing on the shoulders of others . . . Ignor-the-ant (talk) 01:27, October 29, 2015 (UTC)

just curious:where do you live? Ignor-the-ant (talk) 13:01, October 30, 2015 (UTC)
I live in the south-eastern part of Brandenburg Smile. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 13:05, October 30, 2015 (UTC)
Oh, not so far . . Ignor-the-ant (talk) 13:08, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

What is lyrics?

Petrucci's Glasgow Kiss as is heard on the original release is an Instrumental. On G3 Live in Tokyo (2005) he gives an introduction to the song ending with (as you indicated) this next one.... The introduction is lyrics? not the only instance of such --ES (talk) 23:36, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

I almost suspected it, 'cause why would you have added the song into the Instrumental with Language category Wink? Spotify had only the live version, so I had to resort to it for listening. I heard voices and transcribed them. I like to have intro parts included (as long as there are no separate intro tracks) into the song lyrics. I don't think that is forbidden? Or to put different, intro parts/spoken words in general should be transcribed as well, IMO. The culprit here is that I was to lazy to set up a separate (Live Version) song page I guess? I could do that. Or you can simply revert my edit if it's no use for you. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 03:34, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
The studio version is an instrumental, now every time an instrumental is played live and artist says something at the start or end, do we create a distinct song page?
The song only begins after he finishes the sentence this next one.... Great DVD btw.
The reason the three pages fell into that category was my inattention to the template I was slapping on the page. And I'm not yet done with G3, seven years after I started.
As far as the studio version goes what you put between lyrics tags is false info, so forbidden, as far as the live version goes it is not part of the song.
If you want to create an intro page, what ext refs would you put in it? bogus page!
So it seems best way is to put the text in cb:trivia indicating what is said and on which version is it heard.
As for forbidden, you tell me; is indicating track lengths on album/artist pages forbidden? See ignore's talk page for background. --ES (talk) 04:03, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
The song is part of an official live CD & DVD. It is the only officially released live version. I don't aim to create different live versions for phone recordings found on YouTube...
Still the intro is part of the same audio track on the CD, it's not a separated intro track, so it is part of the song. When I am going to listen to the song on the CD I hear the intro as well. I transcribe the song as it is heard.
Great work from you on the page, I really like it.
Exactly, there is no separate intro track. I never claimed to create a bogus one it if it's not already part of the CD for the reasons you provide. I simply stated that some CDs/DVDs have separate intro track before every actual song track.
To the forbidden part: Based on my experience on the site, it is the standard to include intros/outros of songs.
Creating a John Petrucci:Glasgow Kiss (Live) song page with the intro/lyrics & metadata entered for the live version would be a clean solution here, as they differ from the studio version. Interlink them with {{Studio}} / {{Live Lyrics}} for easy navigability. I don't see how the trivia box is a proper place for long texts which intros can be. I will not support that. I have the opinion that the intro should be part of the lyrics and the official released live version deserves a separate song page, while you don't - I won't convince you and you won't convince me - so I guess it's best to simply revert my commit and you can put the intro into the trivia section and we move on. --Fassbrause (talk) 10:46, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
If we asked JP: "What are the lyrics for the song "Glasgow Kiss"? What would be his reply? If we asked him what are the lyrics for the live version, what would he reply? Wink --ES (talk) 12:00, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
When I listen with my audio player to the live version I expect it to retrieve the lyrics with the spoken intro of a song here. If LyricWiki wants to provide the most accurate lyrics and ennoble itself from any other site it should provide the lyrics as sung. I can't help it that there is no better technical solution as of now to mark an intro, annotate singers, display different versions on one page etc. But at least the content was there Smile
I don't care about the artists opinion of the case tbh. I ask myself when I listen to the song: What did he say in the beginning, where can I find the intro for the song? Yep, nowhere (again), not even JP can help you there, no liner notes etc...
PS: When I follow your logic I have to mark James Brown:Introduction To James Brown instrumental, cause, you know, nothing to sing here... --Fassbrause (talk) 12:52, December 2, 2015 (UTC)
Indeed such pages are all yours to electrify, we just need a {{Überzéälo͝osEdition}} Wink. --ES (talk) 23:21, December 2, 2015 (UTC)

Help understanding this wikis policys

Um, ok, I hope, this'll show up at the bottom >_>

I appreciate your edits to the Marc-Uwe Kling song I tried to improve. Can you elaborate why the Bronze star is more appropriate then the Silver?

Do you mind me asking more questions? E.g. what do I do with a song, I am convinced, doesn't exist? (like Subway To Sally:Traum Vom Tod III)

Reading the Help, I think, that DVDs from boxed sets do not belong into the Album list on an Artist page. Is this correct? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kyoudou (talkcontribs).

In regards to page ranking, see this page. This will tell you exactly what you need for silver and gold stars.
If you are 100% sure a song doesn't exist, and it doesn't exist on reference sites like Wikipedia/Discogs/MusicBrainz, you can put the {{Deletion}} template at the top with your reasons, and an admin will delete it. (I've gone ahead and deleted that song for you)
In regards to DVDs in boxsets, they are permitted on an artists album page if they contain at least one song not present on any other albums by that artist.
Hope this helps Smile (Also, please sign your posts with ~~~~) - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 14:23, December 8, 2015 (UTC)
  • Hello and welcome!
    You did fine for your first edits Smile.
    I just spotted some more errors and changed the lyrics as they flow... Why bronze? Well if you want it to be a Silver page you need to follow the page (You do that already), need to fill in most information fields (still lacks it) and insert yourself into the {{Watcher}} template on the talk page of the song (still lacking). See LyricWiki:Page ranking and Help:Page ranking/Songs.
  • When you are sure the song is missattributed/doesn't exist redirect or move it to the proper page if possible. Please see LyricWiki:Deletion and Help:Redirect.
  • Could please share a link for the case we are discussing here? Songs which can only be found on DVDs still have a right to be here Wink
Hope that helps. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 14:26, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll read Help:Page_ranking/Songs later. I think, I'll understand it.

I actually requested a Deletion for the (not) StS song a few days ago, but the {{Deletion}} tag was just removed by some admin... so I thought I didn't do that right...

We're discussing the case of the Subway To Sally#DVDs Artist page here, which I am slowly improving currently. I'll check this tomorrow, but as far as I know, the DVDs shouldn't be there (afaik they don't have any unique songs). I've been reading through most of the guidelines and policies as I was trying to check what to do with that page over the last days and I hope I can finally do some decent improvements to that page XD

Kyoudou (talk) 14:39, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

In most cases, say if you find a slightly misspelled track it is preferred to {{Redirect}} to the correct song, because that way other users who searched for the misspelled track will be guided to the correct one. Deleting is for completely wrong stuff mostly. The help pages will tell you Wink.
If the DVDs don't have unique songs on it place the {{Deletion}} tag on them though. Thanks for improving the the StS page and have fun! If more questions arise, just ask --Fassbrause (talk) 14:52, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Future Love

Forgive but this song is not Kristinia Debarge but Varsity Fanclub. For them it did in 2008 and 2009 — The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

Thank you for your heads up. I moved your content over to the correct page now and added remarks to the cover/original. Have fun! --Fassbrause (talk) 21:54, December 28, 2015 (UTC)
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