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Chinese Traditional?

Lwt recently changed the language of 五月天 (Mayday):To Find My Paradise to Chinese Traditional. This track actually has no lyrics, but is also not instrumental as there is some word-less tones sung by a female singer. Should I mark it as instrumental anyway? About the language, are we documenting the writing system or the vocal language? The two issues are orthogonal, but it seems that we are recording the vocal language, at least I've been using Mandarin, Cantonese and Taiwanese, falling back to Chinese when I don't know off-hand. There is no way to document the writing system as far as I can tell, which is a pity. Incidentally, MusicBrainz records this information but no the vocal language. I think User:Lwt should be taught to only use "Chinese". Foolip 07:08, April 2, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Foolip. Though our friend 6 is well-meant and extremely competent, you'd better pull at my sleeve when talking about Lwt's bugs ;). So, being a bot, it's not very smart, especialy in such cases when even documentation doesn't provide any homologous directions. I followed mentioned song edition history and saw your patient efforts to bring Lwt to reason :). I see here two problems: simple (merging Chinese Traditional into Chinese) and more complicated one (wordless vocal & sf.language relations).
First problem is too simple to speak much about it (I just need to reinstruct Lwt to use Chinese in both cases when it gets a language from Google language detector api).
The second one is a shady affair not only for Lwt, but for it's owner as well :). Several discussions in our community haven't lead us to complete clarity. I may only mention that I was trying to struggle against wordless vocal songs interpetation as instrumental, but my voice wasn't heard (the most 'serious' argument was: voice is some kind of instrument ;)). Maybe you have some bright idea for both us (and others)? --Senvaikis (talk) 12:53, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
I'm afraid the first issue isn't simple. We are clearly entering the vocal language and not the writing system, otherwise all western songs would be entered as "Roman" (or "Latin"). Mandarin/Cantonese/Taiwanese are useful subcategories of Chinese, but that's not related to the writing system (simplified, traditional, pinyin, zhuyin, etc). I've been putting the non-canonical version under /zh-hans and /roman. So in short, please don't teach Lwt to enter "Simplified Chinese" or "Traditional Chinese", because they aren't vocal languages. Perhaps we should add support for marking up the writing system to (like MusicBrainz does), but I don't think it's very important.
About vocals without lyrics, how about something similar to {{Instrumental}}, just another name? is a fun read. Do you have a list of problematic songs or a pointer to previous discussion? Foolip 17:36, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
Right now I'm slightly modifying Lwt code, so I'd better reask you to be sure I understood your suggestion the right way: "Simplified Chinese", "Traditional Chinese", or "Chinese Traditional" - all should be substituted just by "Chinese", right? (here some links to prev discussions: 1, 2, 3) --Senvaikis (talk) 18:02, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that would be correct. Sorry for the slow reply, this page is on my watchlist, I don't know why I haven't seen this until now. Foolip 13:07, April 11, 2010 (UTC)


Quote from 6 times 9:
What are we supposed to see on the pages? ;) Green check Done by Chris - 03:02, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
You're supposed to see exactly what you see now – nice clean lyrics without Spam. Thanks! — 6×9 (Talk) 04:28, April 7, 2010 (UTC)

Artist move


I think the artist Katrina & The Waves ( needs to be moved to Katrina And The Waves (, but that page already exists with content. The move help said not to move things individually and to ask an admin, so that's what I'm doing. :) Can you help out?

Thanks!! -- Bytesmythe 22:58, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Done With artist pages, moving is a bit tricky since all song and album pages need to be moved or redirected as well. Luckily, in this case there were only five song pages! — 6×9 (Talk) 06:56, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Deleted File:X06Taiwan 20061105-36.jpg

You deleted File:X06Taiwan 20061105-36.jpg with the edit note "Too big for fairuse (max. is 500×500)". I can't see the metadata noe because it was deleted, but this picture wasn't used under fair use, but rather under one of the licenses mentioned at and I believe that was marked up quite clearly in the page description. Will you undelete the page or should I recreate it? How should I make it even more clear what the license is?

Somewhat related, is there a list of pictures too big for fair use you work by? I'd like to make sure nothing else is at risk and upload downscaled versions of things I care about that actually are used under fair use. Is the maximum size 250000 pixels, or should the largest dimension be no larger than 500 pixels? Foolip 13:15, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

I've re-upped it (but with a somewhat less obscure filename). My knowledge of (especially US) copyright stuff is limited, so I probably tend to err on the side of caution. Sorry about that. (I actually tried to resize it, but the background produced horrible Moiré artifacts…)
As for max. fair use size, I'd guess it's 250,000 px², but I'm probably the wrong person to ask (see above). — 6×9 (Talk) 13:33, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Foolip 14:00, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

Is that correct?

"ZZ Top" song to "George Thorogood" (& The Destroyers)

Afterwards, ZZ Top:Bad to the bone has to be redirected to one of both. - Chris 16:59, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
*quick google search* Yes, seems to be correct. For some reason this gets attributed to ZZ Top a lot of the time… GT doesn't even have a beard, let alone one down to his toes! — 6×9 (Talk) 17:07, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
Hm, maybe like with "Iyaz:Replay"; he was discovered by Sean Kingston, and when he releases Replay, some thought it was Sean Kingston's song. Some funny dudes even commented on youtube like "this is sean kingston" when the Video "Iyaz - Replay" displayed no other image than the cover of the Iyaz single where it was shown in biiig boooold letters "IYAZ" and REPLAY below it xD - Chris 20:07, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry if I keep handing over research to you but atm school stared again and I am too busy to do research. Mägo De Oz:Jesus de Chamberi and Mägo De Oz:Jesus De Chamberi are completely different, and there are Mägo De Oz:Jesus De Chamberí and Mägo De Oz:Jesús De Chamberí. Could you clear that up? This is the last song, after that I'm going to tidy up Mägo De Oz page, albums (incl. reupload files too big for fairuse) and fill albums into songs (script). - Chris 23:01, April 12, 2010 (UTC) P.S.: If you are fighting against oversized pics like me, then this might be helpful :). How do I upload a resized image overriding the previous version?

Done Redirected three of the pages, updated links & moved album page to correct title. Tracklisting on album page is different from that on artist page, might be the case for other albums as well… You can't "overwrite" a pic as such; you can just upload a new version, using the link that says "upload a new version", and delete the old "revision".6×9 (Talk) 06:48, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
Thx - Chris 15:22, April 13, 2010 (UTC)

Joanna Newsom:'81

Hi, i saw you reverted my edit to the Joanna Newsom:'81 article. I'm wondering why, it seems pretty obvious that she sings '81' instead of 'A.D. 1'. There's even a question mark at that part of the text, so it seems logical that it wasn't right anyway. Thanks. Huskyr 13:09, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hi, i reverted your edit again. Could you please reply to my comment first before reverting me again? Thanks. Huskyr 13:14, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
As you can see from my previous reverts in the page history, the CD booklet says "A.D. 1". (The question mark is in the booklet as well.) — 6×9 (Talk) 13:16, April 16, 2010 (UTC)
Ah right, i didn't see that. Thanks for pointing that out. A little weird though, i would swear she sings '81' and not 'A.D. 1'. Huskyr 13:33, April 16, 2010 (UTC)

Garbage:Pleme Reversion

Not sure why you reverted — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ssmodk (talkcontribs), 01:17, 17 April 2010.

You had redirected it to a non-existing page. It's usually a good idea to use the preview button first when redirecting, to make sure the target page actually exists. — 6×9 (Talk) 06:35, April 17, 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, realized that as I was typing the message and didn't realize I had actually saved it instead of going back. Oops. (Hence my very incomplete sentence.) --Ssmodk 17:16, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Wizard should be only one

Don't you think this sham Wizard should be kicked out? :-) --Senvaikis (talk) 21:39, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

I guess the joke is getting a bit old. Though, in its defense, it was actually used for testing purposes. Once. :-) I suspect V.S. only requested its deletion because he didn't like one of my edits6×9 (Talk) 07:00, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
You shouldn't blame V.S. on vengeance - I suppose he/she was inspired by the same reason as me - wikia's suggesting to 'improve' such pages on every page edition/saving, made by unregistered user :) --Senvaikis (talk) 09:26, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
Makes me wonder what other surprises wikia has in store that I don't know about because I'm almost always logged in… — 6×9 (Talk) 11:20, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

YouTube Not Applicable

I see an old edit where you questioned what I did, I do not link unofficial videos from YouTube because, at any time, I do not know the copyright status of each piece of music/video. And any unofficial video may be removed from YouTube due to copyright status (or at a minimum they may mute the video as they have with a few of mine).If you really feel this is an error let me know and I'll start linking every random video in the SongFooter, well maybe not, but feel free to tell me your opinion on the subject. :P (reference: John Lennon:Imagine) ҚιļļεяСļоωη 21:32, April 23, 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, anything that's copyrighted could be removed from YT (or muted) at any time. So if we only wanted to link to videos where we're sure they won't be removed, we might as well do away with the youtube parameter completely ;-) The best we could do is go through all youtube links periodically (though that's a job for a bot or cyborg, not a carbon-based user) and weed out the dead ones. — 6×9 (Talk) 06:38, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

What I mean is, I usually only link videos that were submitted on the recording label or artists YouTube (or Vevo) page, as those are normally not removed, otherwise I normally won't link it. Already tired of the issues there are with licensing words, I could understand tabs maybe or such, but's almost like saying you can't sing the song to yourself, or memorize the lyrics, without a license lol. I do understand what you are saying, but I still don't think I will personally be linking unofficial videos from YouTube. If someone goes behind me and adds an unofficial video to a page, I will not go back and remove it, I just won't like it myself. And in the case a lot of older songs, I may actually link an unofficial video because there are no official videos available anywhere and those usually are not removed from YouTube either. I also really despise Gracenote because half of the lyrics I come across are highly incorrect, yet are supposed to be official lyrics. Maybe if Gracenote wasn't just another bot scanning the internet for the most common lyrics to songs it would be slightly more reliable. (Truth: I really don't know how Gracenote works, but that is the best assumption I can make based on the amount of incorrect lyrics I've seen from it so far. :/ ) But this will explain anytime you may see me mark a songs YouTube as not applicable. ҚιļļεяСļоωη 20:40, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

About Gracenote: yes, they'd be well advised to copy the lyrics from LyricWiki if possible. Haha xD - Chris 22:04, April 24, 2010 (UTC)

Bullet for my Valentine - Bittersweet memories

Why do you think your version of the lyric of Bittersweet Memories is right? I have got the bought the CD and in the attached songbook the lyric is writen as i wrote it down. -- Bulletsukram 18:59, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Because of the formatting – the earlier lyrics were correctly capitalised, while yours were completely lower-case. We also don't use notation like "chorus" etc. unless to avoid endless repetitions. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:30, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, that's true. But in your old version there were a lot of wrong words. Your current version is also written in lower-case ;)
--Bulletsukram 19:47, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
No, it isn't. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:54, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Deletions: bad pageform

Hi 6,

you deleted some JLS pages because of their "Bad pageform". I restored and fixed them. Don't you think it's faster and better if you just add {{Song}} and {{SongFooter}} instead of deleteting the pages? Well, actually you do not have to do anything: as these pages do not have any internal links when {{Song}} and {{SongFooter}} are missing, they'll appear in Special:DeadendPages, which is cleared out by me every day. My scripts usually fix these songs really fast. So I suggest you either add {{Song}} and {{SongFooter}} or you may just leave these pages until I get to them and fix them :) This way the contents are preserved. - Chris 17:44, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Usually I do fix such pages – in this particular case it was just a combination of general frustration, being at a different PC than the one at home (where I have a couple tools to help with stuff like this) and seeing yet another bunch of pages where a user was apparently unable to glance at a help page, or at least see how it's done on other pages, or at the very least just follow the instruction in the edit box ("insert lyrics here") and just leave everything else…
Note to self: don't look at Uncategorised Pages when at work. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:09, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
Hehe, usually I'd say this is a sign of "you should have a break now". The last page has to get the same amount of good will and attention as the first. ;) - Chris 19:12, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


Rhapsody to Rhapsody Of Fire?

Hi 6,

I need some help: the band Rhapsody Of Fire was formerly known as Rhapsody, so there's the complete content twice. Shall we redirect Rhapsody to Rhapsody Of Fire? On Rhapsody Of Fire, the songs are still linked like Rhapsody:XYZ. - Chris 18:10, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Songs/albums that were released as "Rhapsody" should stay in that "namespace"; those released as "RoF" probably need to be moved accordingly (complete with all that annoying artist/alias/albumartist stuff). Which artist page should redirect to which is up to you… one has more releases, the other is more current/less ambiguous (there's probably a couple other Rhapsodies out there). If in doubt, toss a coin :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 16:20, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
"Rhapsody of Fire" is the more current name, so I thought Rhapsody Of Fire should remain, and Rhapsody become a redirect to it (whilst the songs released as "Rhapsody" stay like "Rhapsody:XYZ" of course, just talking about the artist page). Do you think this is applicable? - Chris 17:19, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
Should be OK. If it isn't, don't worry – any resulting ban won't last longer than a year, and if you work hard afterwards, you might even get your admin rights back (if you live long enough)… ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 17:24, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Include the {{Albumcover}} template in the summary box when uploading new album art

OK, I understand now, I must append {{Albumcover}} when I upload every image, is this? My english is very poor, 30 minutes reading for understand this XDDDDD

Yes, please include it and fill in the parameters. But please do not upload covers bigger than 500 times 500 pixels. - Chris 21:09, May 3, 2010 (UTC) What is your language?
A look at the userpage should answer that question… — 6×9 (Talk) 04:37, May 4, 2010 (UTC)


Hi, 6.

Are you making these edits manually? I was going to assign this task to more carbonized Lwt; tell me if you'd like to make this job yourself :)
--Senvaikis (talk) 09:04, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
It just seemed like a suitably mindless task for a rainy morning like this… and Italy was manageably small. Feel free to tackle England though :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 09:14, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
Ok, - it's rainy and cold in Vilnius too, so very likely UK & US will be hometowncatted during this weekend :)--Senvaikis (talk) 11:13, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
Yep, go ahead. I just did it manually so far, because I wanted to add the wikipedia-articles correctly. However this could be a task for afterwards. HometownCat is safer than manual categorzing :) - Chris 17:14, May 6, 2010 (UTC) I resurrected the old paragraph because it was fitting to the topic. I don't like starting with new paragraphs.^^
DoneGreen, though leaving much to be done yet (adding wp parameter to 444 wp-less htc etc).
Weather's turning warm in Vilnius, so I'm leaving this job for rainy Deutschland ;). --Senvaikis (talk) 08:39, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
For US hometowns (except the REALLY major ones), wp pagename is usually "Hometown, State". Similar for much of Canada. — 6×9 (Talk) 13:04, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
Should that be understood that Lwt has rewrote some US towns wp links? --Senvaikis (talk) 13:43, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
No, just a hint that might help automatically finding wp pages for some of the wp-less cats. — 6×9 (Talk) 13:45, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
Wow, that's interesting! I was thinking about automatic wp-links finding, but didn't manage to find any reliable solution. How should I do that? --Senvaikis (talk) 13:59, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
I've no idea whether it's possible to reliably check if a wp page exists, but if it is, and if for a given US/Can State/Hometown there is a wp article "Hometown, State" we can be fairly sure the article in question is about the hometown in question. (Except for some rare cases where there's more than one town of the same name in the same state.) — 6×9 (Talk) 16:51, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
*Outdent* Hey there, Canada is already done, the links are perfectly filled in where possible. I already did this a month ago when starting to replace categorizing with {{HometownCat}}. - Chris 20:58, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Lwt found only 7 wp-less Canada's htc, and was able to fix only 3 of them. Remaining 4 are on the top of the list (reduced now to 237 items). nite, --Senvaikis (talk) 21:36, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Music and Lyrics Answers

The Music and Lyrics Answers site launched today. All lyric-related questions from Wikianswers are being moved there. If you have enabled the Wikianswers widget, you'll now see questions about Lyrics taken from this new site instead of from the Central Wikianswers site. If you would like to customize the widget, you can edit the text at MediaWiki:Answers widget user note. You'll find more help with the widget at Help:Wikianswers widget. If you'd like to be involved and join the admin team at Lyric Answers, please let me know on my talk page there. Angela@fandom (talk) 03:42, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

{{Albumcover}} warning & different browsers caching behavior

Recently implemented {{Albumcover}} warning (very usefull, btw) has one not very usefull feature - it remains active even after image page fixing (appending required tl). That's natural - album page should be at least touched "to know" about the fix. After that refreshed page shouldn't display this warning. And it doesn't in FF, ...but not in IE. Seems that IE has a different logics of page refreshing and takes the page from it's cache again, if decides that page hasn't been changed at all. This at first sight small beer is very unhandy for Lwt (if you remember, it uses internal IE browser controll for some tasks). Would it be possible to make a speciall category (instead of)/(in addition to) this warning? Tia, --Senvaikis (talk) 11:30, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

(Sorry for late reply – 2 days w/out internet + a 3rd one catching up on sleep…) Voilà! (Still empty, but we'll see…) Right after I saved tl:Album I thought that maybe I should have added a category… but I didn't go back to fix it because most of those files can be found via Special:UncategorizedFiles anyway, and its purpose was more to raise users' awareness. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:49, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
Btw, AAWA is full of tidy images with tl|Albumcover with backlinks to existing albums. --Senvaikis (talk) 08:29, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
I know – I suppose that happens when art is uploaded/template is added before album page is created. Touching the pages makes them disappear from AAWA. Not sure yet how useful this cat will be anyway… — 6×9 (Talk) 08:35, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
Unless you mean the v.a. albums where parameters were filled in incorrectly? — 6×9 (Talk) 08:41, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Wasn't so dusty as it seemed to me: 38 -> touching -> 32. --Senvaikis (talk) 08:43, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
Then there's also those albums with uncramped colon (": " instead of ":"). Sorry for the mental image ;-)6×9 (Talk) 08:45, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

LRC subpages?

Hi 6.

Are these sensible/wanted/allowed? (Reference) - Chris 15:42, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

Not sure – normally, with down, I'd say move them here, but with all that Greysnot licensing stuff I don't know how useful that would be. The API won't deliver them to plugins, and they'll probably have to be put in lyric tags (for right-click disabling etc.). — 6×9 (Talk) 17:54, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

In Flames — Clayman

Hi! You edited In Flames:Clayman (2000), switching the title track spelling from “Clayman” to “Clay Man”. I’m new here, can you point me to the standard for deciding these kinds of variations? (I’m assuming there is one.)
I notice that the band’s site, Wikipedia & MusicBrainz all use the one-word spelling, matching the album title. Please move the answer to my talk page, thanks! Bogdanb 13:31, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, I must have read the history page wrong. It was someone else that did the edit. But you’re an admin, I think you can answer my question better than the guy who did the edit. Bogdanb 13:34, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Actually it was me who did the edit. Standard on LW is to go by the album's artwork, regardless of what other sites say/write. I went by this back cover scan, where it's spelled as two words. (It's not the only album where the title track is spelled slightly differently – see here or here.)
Of course there are exceptions (different spellings on back cover, label and/or booklet, some reissues getting titles wrong etc.) but the only back cover scan I could find agreed with the request on the talk page, so I moved it. — 6×9 (Talk) 13:43, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Andy Williams & Johnny Mathis

They have albums of the same name (16 Most Requested Songs: Encore!), you re-directed Andy Williams' to Johnny Mathis', however. This is inaccurate, I've fixed it... Condemned82 05:12, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

My brain must have been on holiday. Thanks for restoring it! — 6×9 (Talk) 09:12, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Patent for "And Justice For All..."

Hmmm... Are you sure? Hasn't Solitude used this title 7 months before Metallica? :) --Senvaikis (talk) 09:46, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

While the cover image isn't of the highest quality, you can see (if you squint hard enough) that there's neither an "And" nor an ellipsis. — 6×9 (Talk) 10:11, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
The problem is that all images available are for the later, 1999 reissue (under band name "Solitude Aeturnus"). Original demo was released under the name "Solitude". I haven't found any image of that release, so let it be as is, though mb, ma and multiple other sources point to the Metallica's title :) --Senvaikis (talk) 10:34, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
Google image search turned up a few results, including this one. They should sue Metallica. — 6×9 (Talk) 10:45, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
Though... how about this image? :) --Senvaikis (talk) 10:51, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
Looks suspiciously like the one I linked to above. The fact that the URLs are identical might have something to do with this… ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 11:12, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
That's why I said that I (& my eyes) need a rest too - I just didn't noticed that you've found the same image already :) --Senvaikis (talk) 11:18, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Albumart

Hi, you're always deleting the albumart if it has no template. It'd make much more sense to add it, because it's exactly as much to do like deleting the files. - Chris 17:13, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

User:The last username left/monaco.js

I noticed you deleted my user script. It's no big deal for me, as it was just a bit of customisation, but could you explain how exactly it was "fishy"? I didn't think that user scripts could pose any risk to a user other than myself. Thanks,  TLUL Talk - Contribs 20:41, May 27, 2010 (UTC) 



Why when I link At The Gates to a record label or genre (in this case Melodic Death Metal, Earache Records and Peaceville Records) it goes to the category to the first letter of the category, not the band? For example in Peaceville Records At The Gates is listed in P and on Earache on E. On Death Metal and Melodic Metal the band is listed on the right letter. --Tiku-Orava 19:24, June 7, 2010 (UTC)

That's because you manually added the category which is unusual here. Manual linking uses the name of the category as sortkey, whereas the templates {{Labels}} and {{Genres}} use the pagename as sortkey (these templates do the categorizing for you, btw). I updated the page. Greetings, Chris 19:37, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


Hi, I hope I'm not out of line in asking you, but I need help!

I've created a userbox {{Userboxes/Keep It Metal}}, which, incidentally, I can't work out how to link on this page without it doing something screwy to all the text underneath it. That's not actually the problem, though.

I'm stumped on how to get the categories to link properly. I've tried a bunch of things and looked at examples of others and I really have no idea what to do. I'd rather not create heaps of useless pages trying to figure it out.

Help? :) -- Eeepy 09:09, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

The only problem I could find was that you used two different category names Just saw on notime's talk page that the problem is fixed – maybe you saw a cached page with an older revision of the template. In those cases it's usually sufficient to hit edit mode and save (i.e. a null edit) to force a refresh. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:27, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
You're a legend. Thank you! Eeepy 15:07, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
OK, I've managed to "create" another one - {{Userboxes/Ministry}}. I've waited hours and it looks OK, but there's a redlink that I don't want to mess with. I am reluctant to screw around with it when I have no idea what I'm doing. Help? Embarrassed Eeepy 08:31, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
The red link just means that the category page doesn't exist yet – it has to be created like any other wiki page. I'd suggest a more descriptive category name though, something more along the lines of the other "Users who…" categories; see Category:Users. Have fun!
(Oh, and the first letter of a pagename is case-insensitive, so [[ministry]] works the same as [[Ministry|ministry]].) — 6×9 (Talk) 08:50, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
PS. To link to a template without transcluding it, you can use {{tl|template name}}; see above :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 08:51, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
OK did as you suggested and it worked. Thank you! But you lost me on the transcluding thing. Eeepy 13:46, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
Transcluding (I call it "including" which is the IMO more common word): you know the principle of transcluding from every song page: you insert the Song template by typing {{Song|...parameters...}}. But what if you just want to link to it and not to use it on the page? Use the {{tl}} template: {{tl|SongFooter}} produces {{SongFooter}}, a link in curly brackets, but the template was just linked, not included. Typing {{SongFooter}} would include it. - Chris 12:59, June 29, 2010 (UTC)


erm yeah can i just ask ... why did you delete my lyrics? the words of a sinner? its not very nice to do that ... ? ¬¬ - Korn718 11:39, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

That's because of the various violations of the common policies and rules which I lately have been explaining to you on your talkpage.
@Six: It's okay, I'll care for everything. Korn: please sign your posts on talkpages by inserting for tildes (~~~~) at the end of every post. That'll be replaced by a timestamp and a link to your userpage, and helps to keep track of the latest topics and who to refer to. - Chris 13:03, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

Redirect a song to itself

My ultimate fear (redirecting songs to themselves), which I'm sure I've done more than once. Is there a way of finding songs that have been redirected to themselves, or do you look after that?

Corrosion Of Conformity:*What (?) - I accidentally came across this song again today and redirected it to where it should have gone in the first place. :P Eeepy 11:00, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

No worries, they turn up in DoubleRedirects. (They're the ones that can't be automatically fixed by bot.) Only one by you today :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 16:19, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
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