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And What Do You Think About This?

This User has an interesting page, wondered if it was acceptable. Your thoughts on resizing the 'Artist Image' would also be appreciated.  Ñôīέ2çяȳTalk 09:49, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

The userpage is kinda borderline… While none of the templates were meant to be used outside the main namespace, the page doesn't appear in any categories it shouldn't appear in at least now that I added the namespace fix to {{cert}} and {{watcher}}, so it doesn't hurt. You might want to get a second (bureaucratic) opinion though. What was not acceptable was that the artist page redirected to the userpage.
As for the image… Since he took the photo himself (or so it appears) and therefore owns the copyright I'd guess it's his call whether or not he wants to make a hi-rez version available. Though the fair use statement in the {{UserPhoto}} ("It is a low resolution copy") is kinda misleading… I'm no expert on that copyright stuff. (Are you reading this, Kiefer?) — 6×9 (Talk) 10:39, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

How about this userpage though? (You might want to sit down first… Of course, if you're reading this you're probably in front of a PC and therefore probably already sitting, but it's best to make sure.) Oh, and did you notice that you've started to apply LW:PN to topic headers as well? Maybe you need a break from LW… :-) (Wondering about the space before the ? though – French ancestors?) — 6×9 (Talk) 19:52, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Lost it It's... different. Think I might have applied LW:PN to headers for a while now Hmm. As for' ?', Je n'ai pas d'ancêtres français, Je viens comme l'espace ;p  Ñôīέ2çяȳTalk 20:47, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
I took a break but when I checked in I found this. Is video acceptable on artist pages?  Ñôīέ2çяȳTalk 01:04, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
Not when it's placed offensively at the top, like in this case. I'm not even sure we should have video uploads in the first place, when the parameter does a similar job… — 6×9 (Talk) 16:23, February 12, 2010 (UTC)


Hello! I previously (as anonymous) edited this page: Сергей Маврин (Sergei Mavrin). It is the same artist, that you are editing now. As you can it is more full and up to date, so I suggest you to make redirections on this page. Thanks. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by ArLex (talkcontribs), 14:28, 6 January 2010.

wrongful deletion

you've deleted this page P'Cock - House in the storm because of a misspelling. If you know what the correct spelling is, why don't you spell correct it then, instead of causing me grief and DELETING my page?

I really do hope this is not about the word 'cock'. if it is, please take a dictionary and you will see that a cock is male chicken, and a PEACOCK is a really beautiful bird. Peacock ==> p'cock ... get it?

Also, if thats your reason, how about deleting all article with the word Cockney in them? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by BrianPratpick (talkcontribs), 19:22, 6 January 2010.

It's not about the word "cock" (and yes, I got the peacock bit). Please see LW:PN about page names and this help page about formatting song pages. Or see here. Re-creating a page that an admin deleted without waiting for a reply is NOT a good idea though. Also, please sign your posts by adding ~~~~. Thanks! — 6×9 (Talk) 19:33, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
Some examples that might help to understand the LW:PN:
  • Page for "P'cock" (artist): P'cock Important: just the artist name, nothing else as page name.
  • Page for "The Prophet" (album): P'cock:The Prophet (1980) Important: year in brackets after the album name.
  • Page for "In'cognito" (LP album): P'cock:In'cognito (1981) Important: if not absolutely necessary, information like "LP" is not to be included in the page name.
  • Page for "Always Funny" (song): P'cock:Always Funny Important: Artist and song name are seperated by a colon (:)
  • Page for "The Prophet" (song): P'cock:The Prophet Important: no year, and that's how we keep albums and songs seperated although they're named identically.
  • Page for "House in the Storm" (song): P'cock:House In The Storm Important: every first letter has to be uppercase.
  • Album-Cover for "The Prophet": File:P'cock - The Prophet.jpg Important: separation by a hyphen between blanks, but only here; do not forget to include {{Albumcover}}; covers mustn't be bigger than 500×500px!
  • Artist-Image for "P'cock": File:P'cock.jpg Important: do not forget to include {{ArtistPhoto}}; you have to own the copyright, so do not just upload any image you may find by using Google images for example.
Chris 21:29, January 6, 2010 (UTC)
Dude, if you wanted to school me, you could have just said: "every first letter has to be uppercase.", instead of this childish deletion. It's no use to do stuff WITHOUT letting people know WHAT they did wrong. Are you twelve? I get it, you get tired of pointing out to people the same stuff over and over again. Comes with the territory of being an admin (or a mom), so get used to it.
About this "Re-creating a page that an admin deleted without waiting for a reply is NOT a good idea though."
Yeah? Idk, it seems you wanted to attract my attention in a rude and offensive way. So this was right back at ya.
Whatever!-- 09:24, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
First of all, I'm sure Chris meant no ill will with his post. Chris is not an admin (yet) and was simply trying to provide all of the information he could in order to assist your edits and try to ensure that a deletion of your edits wouldn't happen again. Please, try to be civil and assume good faith. I know that you cannot read a user's emotion behind their posts, but I assure you that the admins and regular editors around here are working only to better the site and not to aggravate new contributors. Thank you, and I hope you continue adding good edits to our wiki. --WillMak050389 14:23, January 8, 2010 (UTC)

Lines with song links need to start with "#"

You recently made a change to my edit on this page with this summary: "lines with song links need to start with "#"".

I don't understand the significance of your edit or your summary statement. The pattern I used seems to be ubiquitous for other templates. That is, start a template parameter on a new line with the parameter delimiter character "|".

The pattern I used works, so, what is wrong with it? I have used this exact pattern in many, many other places. Please explain. -- Rossetyler 09:00, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Normally it doesn't matter where you put the pipe. The special thing about {{OL}}, though, is that its parameters are song links. In order for a song link to be visible to the API, the line it is on needs to start with the "#" character. Lines starting with "|", on the other hand, are ignored by the API. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:10, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
I really appreciate the need for the API. In fact, that is one of the first things that drew my interest to the LyricWiki site last summer. Sadly, the API is no longer supported by LyricWiki's new host (see and does not look like it is ever coming back. So, it seems that there is little pressure to make the change that you are suggesting. On the other hand, I believe, there is more pressure to do things the way that I have done. The pattern I use is ubiquitous for good reason. It is much easier to desk-check the syntax because it all lines up in the first columns rather than being scattered on the ragged right. - Rossetyler 16:58, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, the API still works. It just doesn't show all the lyrics (because of copyright) but anyone can use it to see the discography of an artist, for example. Titaki 17:23, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
I want the API for lyrics so it is now useless to me. I won't argue the utility for other use(r)s. I will argue, however, that this problem should be fixed in the API parser rather than in what it parses. After all, what it is has trouble parsing is perfectly legal (otherwise recommended and oft-used!) syntax.


please have this deleted. Bob Sinclar:Love Generation -- GabrielVelasquez 11:53, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, now it redirects, but the page is still there, just add a period after at the end to see it. Thanks. -- GabrielVelasquez 11:56, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

In this case redirects are better than deletion, because the pages were created by ÜberBot, a bot that occasionally crawls the internet to find lyrics and adds them to this site. If I deleted the pages, ÜB would probably just create them again the next time it is run. But thanks for the notice! — 6×9 (Talk) 12:17, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I added a deletion tag before your reply, and the lyrics were unique, so I don't know what's right. If you can delete the deletion request with out a process-ing, fine. -- GabrielVelasquez 12:31, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

Non-US iTunes stories

ITunes uses US as default store for all it's searches, - that's why removing "&s=143441" part (corresponding US) from *f.iTunes is possible. If album or song is available only in some other country, store code (143444 f.e., corresponding UK) must be included into *f.iTunes. That's not the first time we're speaking about that, so I hope you'll not treat reverting of your edition on Supertramp as edit war ;). cheers,--Senvaikis (talk) 22:02, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

This is an interesting point, with the iTunes link maker changing it's format. The iTunes part of footer templates are already quite a confusing thing to get your head around for new users. The means of finding "help" documentation when you have a certain thing in mind is quite a tricky task on this wiki (from my experience when learning all the intricacies of LW). Knowing this we have to make *f.iTunes as simple as possible. Post your thoughts at the community portal LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 06:27, January 11, 2010 (UTC) BTW, "stories" ≠ "stores", "store" ≠ "story" :P


Why did you delete the Mama Papa Brickolini article? There was nothing wrong with it Computer says no 19:53, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

The correct pagename format is "Artist:Song Title". I couldn't determine the artist or I'd have moved the page. I've restored the lyrics, but at Unknown Artist:Mama Papa Brickolini. Please see our page naming policy. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:40, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
No, CSN, that's you who are twice wrong:
  1. There's nothing wrong with mentioned deletion - if you are talking about "Mama Papa Brickolini" by Monica Pasquell (on "Lego Island OST"), the page should be titled as Monica Pasquell:Mama Papa Brickolini.
  2. Instead of crossposting and complaining to Sean you should better have a look at LW:PN documentation or just simply ask for a help, and believe me - most of us would willingly come to the rescue.
--Senvaikis (talk) 21:16, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
Guess I should have looked at the linked YT video first… It says "Monica Pasquell" in the very first frame. Thanks, Senv! — 6×9 (Talk) 04:54, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to bother you again, but you deleted one of my articles called Rangers laugh at Celtic and I realise now that I spelt unknown incorrectly but I don't think that was the main reason why you deleted it. The problem is that the song doesn't have an official title and that was really the closest I could come without calling it "Ha-ha-ha" or "Celtic get f******". So again i'd like to petition it for restoration with the spelling corrected or a better name chosen of your choice Computer says no 20:54, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Unknown Artist:Rangers Laugh At Celtic
Once more, please have a look at LW:PN. The first letter of each word in a pagename must be capitalised. — 6×9 (Talk) 21:02, January 14, 2010 (UTC)

Capitalisation of Titles

I am somewhat bemused as to why are you taking the time to edit capital letters in titles of songs? Even more so because you are in fact wrong, not all words should be capitalised in titles, see the subject of this message for an example of this. J. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk), 15:28, 23 January 2010.

Hm sounds like someone hasn't known LW:PN so far? See the examples of how to name pages just a bit above. - Chris 14:39, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Discopharma Jpg For Wedlock User: Grey Vireo

Wondering if I can simply re-upload the image for this song? Thank you, — The preceding unsigned comment was added by GreyVireo (talkcontribs), 12:08, 24 January 2010.

Bad news from akuma

Hi, 6.

Have you noticed some changes in acuma?
If you haven't, I got a bad news for us - all our links to akuma albums are dead now.
Now link to the album must contain both artistName and albumTitle parts (and dummy asin-like subtitution doesn't help).
So - what now..?--Senvaikis (talk) 08:01, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
This sucks. A lot. Maybe it's just a temporary bug in their servers and soon everything will be back to normal. If not, we're in trouble.
For artists it's not too bad: just convert to lowercase, replace spaces with hyphens and the result should work for most links. (I could even "train" the template to do this by itself, with an option to insert this bit manually in case the auto-generated prefix doesn't work for a given artist.) Album links on song pages are trickier though. Did I mention that this sucks? — 6×9 (Talk) 13:39, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
Do we have any person that is responsible for making teamwork-contracts with external site partners? Wouldn't it be great if one person was is permanent contact with the admins of the other pages? LyricWiki should try to get these people as "partners", so it's like a contract:
"LyricWiki tries to include links, if you therefore create a website-to-website interface so we do not have to change links when you change your pagename system."
Imagine, this would've been done until now: it was their problem to link from a parameter "r1184851" to ",r1184851,index.html"; yet it's a lot easier for them to fit the redirects their new pagename system than for us, because they have access to their database and can easily append artist and album names with the parameter, whereas we have to search these names by hand... Maybe some mails could fix a little bit? - Chris 17:37, January 26, 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict)
For artists it's not a problem at all and no tl training required - links to artists are still 'alive'. However can't disagree with starting part of your reply. Taking it all round - it's one of most unrewarding tasks - to make some projects, based (and depending) on any external websites structure, format or ...just existence. I used to spend a lot of time, supporting lrcDB and making apps, oriented to work with it. I even foisted lrcDB to LW. Now it's 'temporary' closed without any comments about terms of such 'transiency'. Thanks for your patience! Ironically, a few days ago I was going to ask your opinion about expanding our audio sources (hope you noticed template {{ListenMusic}}, silently stolen from your {{ProgArchives}}). Now I'm not so sure I still wanna raise an issue;).
Ok. Returning to akuma - maybe it'd be worth to inform BM about that?--Senvaikis (talk) 18:48, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Erasure:True Love Wars

Would it be right for the song above to have a wikipedia link (even though it's a b-side and don't have its own)? I know the link is supposed to go at the single's page but I'm troubled by a recent conversation I had. Titaki 19:27, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

The wp article has some info (even though it's only two sentences) on the B-side, so I guess a link is justified. The {{WP-Song}} template would be rather misleading/confusing though; I think the current solution (text link at the bottom) is best.
If you want to get rid of the Wikipedia search links in the SongFooter (since a direct link is already present), you can add {{#vardefine:wpsong|1}} somwehere above. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:04, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

LyricWiki:Lists/2010/Grammy Awards

Hi 6 times 9, I just wanted to stop by and introduce myself. I'm Kacie, from Wikia Entertainment, and I'll be helping out and producing content here on the wiki. Thanks for all of your great work here! I've just created an article for the 2010 Grammy Awards, and I'm wondering if you could help me recruit users to fill in the remaining nominees for this year. We're trying to get the page finished by the end of the week, so any help would be greatly appreciated! It's right here: If you need anything or have any questions, please let me know. Cheers---- Kacie@fandom (talk) 18:17, January 27, 2010 (UTC)


disambig template on Puffy

Thanks, didn't see the disambig template before. Will remember to use it for future disambig pages. -- 11:46, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! — 6×9 (Talk) 18:05, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

DJ Tiësto:Feel It In My Bones

Hi 6 times 9,
Thanks for the tweaks on this page. FWIW, the featured artist might technically be "Tegan and Sara" rather than two separate artists. I believe that's the official name of the group. See Wikipedia:Tegan and Sara. But I'm new here and don't know the convention, so I'll leave it up to you... :)
Lcoffin 21:27, February 23, 2010 (UTC)

Not a matter of convention, just a mistake on my part. Fixed now. Thanks for the notice, and welcome to LyricWiki! — 6×9 (Talk) 05:25, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

no more song, wikia request.

Wikia told me to give you this.

Did it possibly confuse your use of Tedashii "no more" with the remix from 116 clique? Or something else on Tedashii's page? I don't know, I was just giving you the link.

"The database did not find the text of a page that it should have found, named "No More" (Diff: 6461606, 0).

This is usually caused by following an outdated diff or history link to a page that has been deleted.

If this is not the case, you may have found a bug in the software. Please report this to an administrator, making note of the URL. "— The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs), 12:11, February 24, 2010.

It didn't find it because it didn't exist. It was moved to its correct title. The name is Tedashii:No More. :) Titaki 12:33, February 24, 2010 (UTC)

No lengths?

Dear 6 time 9. Recently you edited the Hour Of Penance article (which I created) to streamline capitalization. In the process you also removed all the song lengths. Is it policy that articles must not show song lengths, and if so, why? Thanks. Spectrum 14:54, February 27, 2010 (UTC)

It's not a common policy but usually there's the possibility of inserting the album length in total on the album page. For further details you can go to MusicBrainz f. e. - Chris 20:08, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
It's mainly to reduce clutter on the artist page. Album pages are a different matter, and I've seen track times added in a few cases, but I wouldn't advise it because (i) as Chris already noted the info is usually available from MusicBrainz (see the bottom of this page or Wikipedia, and (ii) track times can differ (sometimes significantly) on different releases of an album. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:26, February 28, 2010 (UTC)


Finalizing iT reform

Analising population of IOSL, still untouched by the process of sf.iT reform, I noticed that remarkable part of it doesn't contain part "i=###", e.g. actually are links to album, not a song.
Now we must decide what Lwt's action should be applied to these pages:

  • remove parameter as not meeting sf.iT format requirements
  • just reformat this parameter into new format: "id=123(&s=456)" -> "id123(&cc=aa)"

Latter choice seems more reasonable for me - finally, link to album is better than nothing.
But then these pages would be removed from IOSL, so complicating task for those wanting to find them later and append missing "i=" part. Moreover - don't know if number of such pages is remerkable, but some of them used to have this "i=" part. Lwt still isn't smart (or diligent) enough to run through edit history of each such page and check if 6 hasn't ever crop sf.iT ;) (see 1, 2). So I thought that maybe third option would be the best: leave these pages as they are for a while - untouched or just commented) and ask their watchers/editors to revise them? Or some special category may be created for them? What's your opinion? --Senvaikis (talk) 12:54, March 7, 2010 (UTC)

Guilty as charged :-) For me (a non-iT-user) all links led to the same page anyway, both with and without the i= bit, and it's much simpler pasting the same param. in multiple SFs…
Three solutions: (i) make lwt take note of incomplete IDs (disadvantage: 1 huge list, editors might fix some pages without deleting them from the list); (ii) make lwt add a category "manually" to these files (using good old [[Category:…]]); (iii) have SF detect pages without "i=" (yay, another edit to SF, Sean will be thrilled). In the long run iii might be the best option – what do you think? — 6×9 (Talk) 17:49, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
I suppose you knew exactly what I'll say :): (i) is the worst choice; (ii) would be optimal for limited & temporary use; (iii) is surelly the best from methodological point of view. But I really don't know if it worth a new intervention into SF... So, you decide :). Both latter solutions are acceptable for Lwt. --Senvaikis (talk) 19:15, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
...And please, take a look at the bottom of this long thread :); tia, --Senvaikis (talk) 13:03, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
Well, situation has changed, - things are better now, but not quite as was expected. Now old-style-formatted album links are working perfect, but not new-style-links (I mean again only communication between iT webpage & iT app). Now both versions still lead to the same proper webpage, but only old-style links are able to open required album in iT app. So, the task is extremely simple: force the template, working with "id###" style link, produce the same resulting url as in "id=###" case ;). if u r getting old, what then should be said about me? --Senvaikis (talk) 21:40, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
If there's a change to SF, how about chaning Category:ITunes/OldSongLink to Category:Old-style iTunes Link like with akuma or section links?
Senv: just a small heads-up ;) mind changing your iT gms, I changed it myself to a better format. Will upload it for you asa funpic is up again down for 4 days now, grr - Chris 00:19, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
I noticed that when you use &cc=gr it goes at the US store. But when you use &s=143448 it changes and goes at the greek one. Is it some kind of bug? :) Titaki 14:16, March 9, 2010 (UTC)
Both Song- and AlbumFooter still use {{iTunesTest}}, which doesn't do anything with the &cc= bit. {{iTunes}} does, but I don't know if Sean is done testing it yet. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:32, March 9, 2010 (UTC)


Thanks for conquered spam-filter, - nice job! --Senvaikis (talk) 22:48, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Pity it only works for ext. links, certain words in lyrics will still trigger it. — 6×9 (Talk) 08:29, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
For example the word "nigga" twice in a row, like in C-Murder:Ghetto Boy, Makin' Moves and NL Iggaz, DMX:Keep Your Shit The Hardest and David Banner:Get Down (Like A Pimp).
These are the pages I cannot fix from appearing in Special:DeadendPages, because the spam-filter blocks the touches. - Chris 01:31, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
P.S.: May I draw your attention to Template talk:LrcDB before it's missed out?
Hi, I got two new sites which cannot be saved: Rah Digga:Party & Bullshit 2003 respectively Rah Digga:Party And Bullshit 2003 (one should be redirect to the other anyway, just not sure how the correct name is written) - Chris 14:43, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
Not sure what to do about these – the Spam-whitelist is only for external URLs. I'd prefer if the spamfilter were adjusted to always allow edits by auto-confirmed users, at least for non-links. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:29, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
Hm, well thank you for your efforts to help me =) Special:DeadendPages is in a good progress, I'll ask Sean about the numerous GN pages in the list. They are not wrong there, they all really have no links. But as that is due to problems with accented characters turned into "ö" for the pagenames and into questionmarks in links, I'll ask Sean if GN is able to delete these broken content pages. - Chris 15:49, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Hanyu Pinyin Capitalization

You moved Jay Chou:Fǎn fāngxiàng de zhōng to Jay Chou:Fǎn Fāngxiàng De Zhōng, which is not the correct capitalization for Hanyu Pinyin. Please help me point out the capitalization guidelines, so I can either revert the change or suggest to change the guidelines to match what is correct for Hanyu Pinyin. Foolip 11:07, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Please have a look at LW:PN. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:33, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
Edit conflict
Our page naming rules are: Artist, Colon, Title; every word from artist and title starts with a capital letter and then is continued as the artist capitalized it. Some examles can be seen in the archive. The rules can be seen at LW:PN. It's also explained why this is sensible ;) - Chris 14:38, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Related Templates

Personally, I prefer {{ArtistInfo}} to {{Related}} which can be seen in action here. Should the 'influences' be verified and should the background colour come with a free pair of shades?  Ñôīέ2çяȳTalk 02:00, March 23, 2010 (UTC)

Shades made of black cardboard? The genres bit is kinda redundant (especially without links/categorising), while the influences & similar bits are just asking for trouble. Can you imagine the endless discussions/revert wars over whether Well-Known Band A influenced Well-Known Band B or not? — 6×9 (Talk) 07:10, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
It's everywhere - IMO too present for a "test" template. Maybe we should ask him to leave it like it is so far and don't add it to new templates to see how it works?
BTW, my eyes are freakin out on that terrible blue with green border *shivers* O.O Ever heard of web-design? =S We could reincarnate my green theme from {{TranslatedSong}}, remember? - Chris 18:23, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
I'd rather do away with {{Related}} entirely and merge its functionality into tl:AI. Guess it's time to move this to the community portal… — 6×9 (Talk) 18:47, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
Eek! Didn't realise it was on so many pages, perhaps new templates should be posted in community portal for approval prior to going into production. I'd rather do away with {{Related}} too, revert war inducing sections are not good.  Ñôīέ2çяȳTalk 20:26, March 23, 2010 (UTC)
Let's ask him to hold on with inserting. I'd suggest we leave it just like it is with {{Related}}. He inserted it on rather popular pages, so we see how this "revert war inducing sections" influence the behaviour of (likely) many visitors. We'll see how "bad" it is. No further including, but do no reverts yet. It's worth a try - as soon as an edit war seems to grow on one of those pages, it's not more difficult to remove them then =) - Chris 13:58, March 24, 2010 (UTC)
P.S.: I'll watch all pages from now on and check all edits there.
P.P.S.: Either way, no matter whether my suggestion is ok with your or not, further including makes no sense. I notified Eonsdag and invited him to participate.
I think the invitation under the template, as seen on this page, is a good idea but should perhaps include a reference to the better {{ArtistInfo}} template (altho I do appreciate {{ArtistInfo}} is mentioned on the talk page). On an un-related note, is that an advert at the base of Owl City?  Ñôīέ2çяȳTalk 23:57, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
If that isn't advertisement I don't know what is. At least it's related to the band… But I thought hotlinking images was disabled some time ago? Maybe sites like photobucket are exempt. I've added a note to the template page, but judging from the general lack of discussion it seems that not too many people are enthusiastic about it anyway… — 6×9 (Talk) 07:33, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
I'll be flat: this monster of style and absolute conceptual mix-up should be just removed from all pages. --Senvaikis (talk) 08:45, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Related Issue

Let's see what we can do to solve these issues for the "Related" Template:

  • For the issue with influence, we could just say that the artist "helped" or "was helped by."
  • On the template, I could put a link here for people to give their opinions about it.
  • Some of you had a problem with the background color. I don't really care what color it is, but I prefer blue and green, so you can edit that to your desire.
  • I think that we should just keep the Related templates on those pages for now, but I won't put anymore on.

I apologize for the trouble this has caused.
--Eonsdag 03:36, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

I'll change the link to the template's discussion page, because it's not the sense of a user talk page to be a place of common discussion. - Chris 18:07, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Moving Jay Chou pages

周杰倫 (Jay Chou) is quite a mess. Could you help me switch 周杰倫:夜曲+周杰倫 (Jay Chou):夜曲, 周杰倫:珊瑚海+周杰倫 (Jay Chou):珊瑚海 and 周杰倫:一路向北+周杰倫 (Jay Chou):一路向北 so that the former redirects to the later while preserving history? The mess consists (mainly) of mixing of simplified and traditional Chinese. Foolip 15:00, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Done6×9 (Talk) 15:13, March 25, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, can I also ask you to switch:

Foolip 14:25, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

How about Batch move 周杰倫 to 周杰倫 (Jay Chou)? - Chris 14:34, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
Are you an admin or not? Be bold! ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 15:19, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
Too late now! Done6×9 (Talk) 15:33, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm, odd… Batchmove said it would move them (there were just the two pages left anyway), but didn't… Usually it just overwrites redirects with no questions asked. I did it manually instead. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:38, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

Some more:

What's batchmove and can I use it instead of bothering you? Foolip 16:36, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

6: I wasn't quite sure if I got it right that the artist is the only problem, because Foolip said something like mixed simplified and traditional Chinese...
Batchmove is a special page that is able to move pages starting with a string A to pages named like the originals, but replace the string A with a string B. Usually, this is used for an artist; imagine, someone who's fan of the ficitional metal group "Powered by Death" created their discography with aaaaall songs and albums, which means there are hundreds of pages, starting with "Powered by Death:...". But LW:PN requires them to be moved to "Powered By Death:...". Moving all pages by hand would take like hours, but with batchmove, you can move all pages from "Powered by Death:*" to "Powered By Death:*" with a few keystrokes.
But because you could easily damage a lot, it's admin-only - imagine someone just wants to harm the project and could move all "Frank Sinatra:*" pages to "S1LLy C4t F00d:*" ;) - Chris 16:58, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
OK, so I hope you'll keep helping me then, the above 5 are next in line :) Batchmove wouldn't really help anyway since what I'm doing is detangling the big mess of simplified and traditional Chinese where no automatic pattern matching is going to help. Foolip 19:12, March 27, 2010 (UTC)

And another: 周杰倫 (Jay Chou):青花瓶 should be moved to 周杰倫 (Jay Chou):青花瓷 (which is a redirect now).

Done Seeing all the diligent hard work you're doing, I don't mind moving a few pages here and there!
@Chris: be careful – we get enough vandals already, you don't need to give them any further ideas… ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 21:12, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
S:BM is not available for them, and they can only move 2 pages per minute =D As LyricWiki has a net of people all over the world, they'd be discovered very soon. And if they should make it to move all pages to S1LLy C4t F00d, we can BM them back ;) - Chris 02:35, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

Last of the Teenage Idols

I believe this is a title. Alex Harvey was, in fact, the winner of a "Teenage Idol" competition. He is claiming his title as the "Last of the Teenage Idols". I think, this should be capitalized. --Rossetyler

Right, I've re-capped "Teenage Idols". Not sure about "last"; if you think it should be capitalised as well, I won't object. I'll insist on the apostrophes though! — 6×9 (Talk) 21:56, March 27, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, I do think "Last" is part of the title. I will fix.
Good catch on the apostrophes - I missed it.
Thanks for the help!

Moving files

It doesn't seem like it's possible to move files... could you help me move File:陳奕迅 (Eason Chan) - 醞釀.jpg to File:陳奕迅 - 醞釀.jpg? There were already a bunch of covers when I came across 陳奕迅 (Eason Chan) and I want to be consistent in the naming. Foolip 07:11, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Switching pages

I've gotten myself into another situation: 陳奕迅:低等動物 exists in two versions, a Cantonese and a Mandarin one. Trying to sort it out, I now need to switch 陳奕迅 (Eason Chan):低等動物 and 陳奕迅 (Eason Chan):低等動物 (Cantonese) so that they redirect properly. If possible, don't delete either in the process but just switch then around. Thanks! Foolip 15:12, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Hey I'm starting to wonder if you think you may not redirect pages? You can create redirects yourself by replacing the contents with #REDIRECT [[TARGETPAGE]]. - Chris 20:53, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
I've created lots of redirect pages, I only need help when the "proper" page already exists as trying to move it tells me to contact an admin instead of copying the content over. In this case it's even worse because both pages should exist, they're just switched around because of some unlucky moves. Foolip 16:44, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
In this particular case, the only solution is to edit both pages and simply switch the content. Else, if you want to "move" a page over an existing redirect the non-admin way, you can have a look at this entry in the FAQ. I don't mind moving the pages for you, since I can just overwrite the redirect, which is a lot faster, but whether it's faster for you listing them on my talk page is another question :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 17:49, March 31, 2010 (UTC)
OK, I though you would move A to tmp, delete A, move B to A, move tmp to B and finally delete tmp. However, if it doesn't matter if edit history is preserved or not, I'll just do what the FAQ suggest. Perhaps the FAQ should be references from the error page you get when you try to move to an existing page, because it currently states in big red letters: "Please do not manually move the article by copying and pasting it; the page history must be moved along with the article text." Foolip 10:16, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
I suppose that's just the standard MediaWiki (or perhaps Wikia) message for such occasions; it's never been a LyricWiki policy. (At least, none of the other admins have complained about the FAQ entry yet.) Since we probably have a waaay higher pages:admins ratio than just about any other wiki it wouldn't really be feasible anyway :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 05:42, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
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