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OK I'm listening. I recall you once telling me that using percentages in templates etc works better with different screen resoltions than pixels. I feel I need to learn a bit more about this now, seeing as my new monitor is widescreen and about 58cm. (Yes indeed - lol). It takes some getting used to after my 143cm one, that's for sure.

Anyway I want to ensure my user page displays OK for the majority of users, even if not for me. So can you please tell me how to go about this? If you prefer you could simply edit my page, as I'll look and see what you changed afterwards and learn that way. Up to you, but any help gratefully received! Thanks.  Яєdxx Actions Words 01:43, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

The main problem with different resolutions is that peoples screens are different widths. Meaning if you've got an image that is 800px wide, for some people (with a low resolution) it will almost take up the width of the screen, but for others (with a high resolution) it will only go some of the way across. If, for instance, you where creating a column on a page, and you wanted it to be about a third of the width, and you set it to a width of x pixels, because that makes it a third of the width on your screen, then it will be that number of pixels on everyone's screen even if it's bigger/smaller.
You can always "zoom" using firefox with 'ctrl' + '+' (control key and plus key). 'ctrl' + '-' will zoom out and ctrl+0 will reset your zoom. This basically makes firefox pretend you're using a different resolution. So if you press ctrl++ a few times, you're looking at your page as someone with a smaller resolution would see it. (It actually gives the same effect as dragging in the corner of your browser's window to make it smaller) LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 12:01, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
Ooh, another neat thing I sometimes use is LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 12:03, November 3, 2009 (UTC)
I'm not really having much luck with this but thanks anyway Humbug.  Яєdxx Actions Words 22:38, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
Sorry for the lack of reply… We drove to Straßburg yesterday to see these guys live (amazing… for someone > 70, Daevid Allen has lots of energy… not to mention the silly costumes and the "Nobody knows I'm a lesbian" T-shirt), so I didn't have time for more than a few minor edits here and there. Seems you're in good hands though. Just make sure he doesn't cheat! "Funny… I was sure he had only one queen yesterday…"6×9 (Talk) 12:32, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
Daevid Allen, a man of many talents. Glad you had a good time :-)  Яєdxx Actions Words 22:38, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
Check out Humbug/Resolution. I hope that explains it. LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 06:00, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
Absolutely perfectly ! Thank you :-)  Яєdxx Actions Words 17:38, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
You'll be pleased to know (6) that I'm definitely converted now to percentages and tables (thank you both for assisting me in this). But here's a question for you.. Is there an easy way to accurately convert pixels to percentages? And before you ask, despite being extremely good with money and spending a large proportion of my working career in an accounting type environment, maths was my worst subject.  Яєdxx Actions Words 02:34, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
There is – for a given screen width. But since the whole point of using % instead of px is to make the layout independent of the screen width that would be rather pointless.
BTW, in some cases px makes more sense than %, e.g. for a div around an image. Since Daisy has always the same width in px on your page, no matter what screensize, it's better to specify the width of the div around it in px as well. Are you thoroughly confused now, or did I miss some islands of clarity? :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 08:21, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
No, surprisingly (lol) but it is a bit tricky nevertheless. I could channge size of Daisy if I wanted to of course, by adding parameter, couldn't I?
And what do you reckon the most popular resolution is 800x600, or 1024x768? Because I've got to base layout on one resolution when I'm designing it, haven't I? Otherwise I'll just be going round in circles. I had it all nicely laid out before, with my old screen, which was 1024x768 and what I really wanted to do was convert the widths to percentages. Goodness knows how it looks to everyone now but it doesn't look brill to me :(  Яєdxx Actions Words 13:22, November 15, 2009 (UTC) P.S. Can you see a new entry in the menu on the left if you use Monaco skin? Links? Does it work OK?
Resizing animated gifs doesn't always work, so you'd better leave Daisy alone… Anyway, for images you have to enter the size in px, so it wouldn't do any good. You'll always have a few columns that are fixed width (images, userboxes), so it's best to make sure the columns left or right of those are freely resizable (text-only, or small inline images).
Some notebook users might prefer 800x600, otherwise you can pretty much assume 1024 or wider. You don't have to change your screen resolution to test things out; you can just resize your browser window.
The Links thing worked, but it wanted to link to a page "Links", so I changed it to go to the help content instead, since I don't look forward to deleting the Links page three times a week… — 6×9 (Talk) 14:19, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
(Yes I meant resizing Daisy by changing her pixels). Userboxes because they are basically an image?  Яєdxx Actions Words 14:58, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
Userboxes have a fixed width of ~250px – they can get away with it because it's fairly small, and many of them would look silly if you made them narrower. — 6×9 (Talk) 06:57, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
Interjection about screen-resolutions: today, never ever try to fit your page to "the most common one", but try to make it look good for the biggest number of imaginable resolutions. Look at this page designed by me, you can resize your browser-window to nearly every size, the page (hopefully) looks just fine.
The art of creating a really good layout is to make a page always look like it was designed just for your resolution, no matter what it is :) - Chris 15:25, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
That is brilliant designing Chris and exactly whatr I want to do. In view of which I have two questions:
  1. How do I go about this?
  2. Could you apply this approach to my user page for me please? This might also help me to understand how to apply this in future.
 Яєdxx Actions Words 02:55, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Community Portal

The latest entry for the community portal trivia will be three years old in about 2 month. May I edit/change/renew the trivia postings? - Chris 16:07, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead! It doesn't look like it's meant to be admin-only. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:45, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
Green check Done by Chris 14:06, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
Nice! (I just removed the "needs to be updated" message, since it isn't true anymore.) — 6×9 (Talk) 14:17, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


Is the server lagging for you too? It's incredibly hard to work like that =\ - Chris 10:53, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Yep, sometimes pages show up at once, sometimes it takes ages. I guess it's because GracenoteBot is at it again, creating pages at warp speed… — 6×9 (Talk) 11:07, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
I supposed him to be the reason. Hm, well, as I am editing anyways, could tell me since when the Hometown-Cats are hidden? - Chris 11:17, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
Approximately since {{WP-Flag}} was created and added to many of them. The idea was to reduce the clutter at the bottom by hiding those categories that are already linked explicitly on the page anyway (ht, genres, labels, released). — 6×9 (Talk) 11:35, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks :) - OK, it was just confusing no categories showed up after entering the information about state and hometown.
Next question (this is getting Chris' QA-post^^): David Guetta:Sexy Chick is the "clean" (censored) version of David Guetta:Sexy Bitch (great tune btw, check out the yt-video link^^). Is there any template for that relationship? I looked through Category:Templates but couldn't find any fitting at once, but maybe I didn't look close enough. - Chris 12:03, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
There's a setting in user preferences that'll let you see what's hidden – in a separate section, so it's still less cluttered.
I'm not aware of any template. You can put the info directly on the page, or create one. Might be worth it – there are probably lots of clean versions around, with Top 40 radio having become so squeamish and terrified of concerned parents. Ah, those were the days when they would play stuff like "Bobby Brown" (though that was probably because no one in Germany knew what any of it meant at the time). — 6×9 (Talk) 12:17, November 8, 2009 (UTC)
LOl. Laggy? Yes indeed.  Яєdxx Actions Words 04:37, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

We can't put all the blame on G-Bot – lots of laggishness right now how's this for a new word, Red? and no bot in sight. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:25, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

"laggishness"...Yes, sounds convincing ;)  Яєdxx Actions Words 11:17, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Surrender Flag needed

So that if someone forgets to delete {{SongFooter}} on translated sub page, the page doesn't get addded inappropriately to Category:Pages Needing Song Template, i.e. [1]  Яєdxx Actions Words 04:37, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

The proper way to remove them from the category is not to change the template, but to delete the SongFooter. This way we can at least find these pages (though we'll miss those with both templates still present). — 6×9 (Talk) 05:16, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
The last argument you brought up yourself is why I think it might really be more helpful to create categories. The {{SongFooter}} could easily be adjusted using your {{#vardefine:translation|1}} in the {{TranslatedSong}} template, it then would look like this:
(old code)...#if:{{NAMESPACE}}||{{
#ifeq:{{#var:pagetype}}|Song|[[Category:Song Templates on Translation Page]]|[[Category:SongFooter on Translation Page]]}}|{{
#ifeq:{{#var:pagetype}}|Song||[[Category:Pages Needing Song Template]]}}}}{{
#if:{{{wikipedia|}}}...(old code)
You know which part I mean? Exactly puts wrong pages either into Category:Pages Needing Song Template or Category:SongFooter on Translation Page respectivly even into Category:Song Template on Translation Page. - Chris 21:45, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
The last one is better off in {{TranslatedSong}} I think… lets us find those without SF as well. (Good idea! Just added it.)
The reason I didn't split the first two up in SF wasn't (solely) laziness, but economy: a template that's used on 10^5s of pages shouldn't be more complex than strictly necessary. We've had some weird issues in the past (pre-Move), like album pages not appearing in an artist's WLH, or songs dropping out of language categories, which I suspected were due to the (relatively) complex code. I suppose I should have renamed the cat to something more fitting though, like "SongFooter without Song Template". — 6×9 (Talk) 06:44, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
PS. Throwing up in categories??? Yuck! Someone get The Cleaner! — 6×9 (Talk) 09:02, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
"The proper way to remove them from the category is not to change the template, but to delete the SongFooter.". Yes, that is how to remove them, which is of course exactly what I have done. But I am not talking about fixing the results of the problem. I am talking about actually solving the problem. Removing them is not solving the problem. The category (and by it's inclusion the song page) indicates to users that they need to add a Song template. So one user comes along and removes it. The next one adds it. The next one removes it, etc. These translation sub pages should not be included in that category is what I meant.  Яєdxx Actions Words 11:14, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
I doubt that'll happen (else we'd be constantly cleaning out the category). The user who removes it knows it doesn't belong there and in all likelihood will also remove the Footer. But like I wrote above, the category name is misleading, and the best option IMO is to choose a more fitting name. — 6×9 (Talk) 11:39, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Great. Category:Song Template on Translation Page suddenly filled up overnight… but none of the first few pages I checked had a song template! So I did null edits to a few – and they disappeared again, like I expected. I guess variables and categories really don't like each other. — 6×9 (Talk) 06:55, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
PS. Using "?action=purge" is not sufficient, I have to actually edit & save. Pity…

Ask Senv to touch the pages with Lwt? Maybe this works? - Chris 12:35, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
DoneGreen; PagesInCat: 874->12. --Senvaikis (talk) 13:52, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
…and from 12 to 0. Thanks, Senv! — 6×9 (Talk) 17:26, November 13, 2009 (UTC)
He's a good lad is our Senv ;)  Яєdxx Actions Words 19:30, November 13, 2009 (UTC)


Hey, thanks for fixing my half-assed work on the pagetitle! I was talking to Sean about ways to help the wiki get better Google ranking, and that was one part of it -- if somebody's looking for "Britney Spears lyrics", then they'll find us easier if that's the beginning of the pagetitle. But it was a half-assed job, because there were pages where it doesn't really work. Your solution is very clever and makes it work the way I'd wanted it to. You're a genius, thanks! -- Danny@fandom (talk) 22:25, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

Many of our templates use the if:namespace thingie to keep documentation, help pages etc. out of categories, so it's pretty much become second nature for me :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 09:17, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
Genuis eh? Like I already told them of course.
Anyway, considering you are such a genuis, fixing this should be a piece of cake for you.  Яєdxx Actions Words 12:45, November 14, 2009 (UTC) P.S. I couldn't find where the template is lurking, otherwise I would probably have fixed it myself.
Yep, I'm a geniune genuis ;-) So can I have my piece of cake now? — 6×9 (Talk) 13:04, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
Cake Thank you X  Яєdxx Actions Words 15:56, November 14, 2009 (UTC)


Are you stalking me, do you have the uncanny ability to be online whenever I'm online, or are you just omnipresent\omniscient? Seems like every time I've been on here in the last few days you've been online at the same time, ready to jump in and fix my mistakes :) ; even going so far as to remove that URL on the Wikipedia Monofader page, I noticed, which I went back to do myself but you were too quick. -- Sticky 11:33, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Just coincidence, I promise! (Red is the omnipresent one… and my own personal stalker.) As for the URL… most of the times I just copy them over from Wikipedia without checking, sadly. But since you had already diligently filled in most other parameters I thought there must be a reason why you left it blank. I deleted it from the WP page mainly so that another user (or bot) wouldn't do what I normally do and copy it over… — 6×9 (Talk) 11:41, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
Haa haa  Яєdxx Actions Words 13:23, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

The Killers:Not True

You stated on the edit summary for the above article/lyric page that: "{{{1}}}" is not a sufficient reason for deletion. I apologise, I must not have formatted correctly as I am new to tagging articles for deletion. This is also why I left the reason for nominating for deletion in the edit summary as opposed to in the article/talk page. I shall state the full reason here so you know why and take the relevant action:

  • In my opinion it most definitely is not a Killers song as I have been following them since the very beginning and it has never been performed live nor been released (as a demo, b-side, rarity, bonus track, cover, etc).[2]
  • Google search throws up the same set of lyrics on several lyric sites, but note that they've all been copied word for word from one source (including the typo "rewond")[3]
  • Reliable popular lyrics site such as (which has feedback for every song, as opposed to the above) does not list it
  • It has only 1 listener and 37 plays (for a 32 second track) on the entire network [4]
  • No footage of such a performance or music video on youtube or google video [5]
  • The administrator on the official Killers forum (Hermia) states that "this is not [by] The Killers. It's another band from another country with a similar name".[6]

I hope this clears things up on why this needs to be deleted. -- Feudonym 10:14, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

There are two problems with deleting it: (1) The page was created by ÜberBot, a bot who occasionally fetches lyrics from other sites, so if I deleted it, ÜB would just re-create it during its next run. (2) The song apparently does exist, just not by this band, so the proper procedure would be to move it to the correct page. Since I couldn't find out the correct artist I moved it to Unknown Artist instead. — 6×9 (Talk) 07:16, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Very weird...

I really can't remember doing this. It doesn't even make sense to me.

And I know you are just being plain awkward ;P but can you please give some input to the discussion going on between Chris and Chris at the bottom of my talk page. Only I don't know about King (because he is of course much more intelligent than me) but the dear boy has totally lost me.  Яєdxx Actions Words 02:20, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Twitter userbox

Thanks for the update to the Twitter userbox -- making my quick-and-dirty creation a little less quick and dirty. Trainman 14:48, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Changes in iTunes Link Maker?

Have you noticed that iT link, generated by current iTLM, and it's description in our help and {{ArtistFooter}} docs particulary, doesn't match anymore?


  • Help: (put only the part in bold)
  • iTLM:<artist-name>/idabdf56d

That wouldn't be worth to mention, if all *f.iTs were working. But I just found several cases (10_K.A.N.'s, 100._Debija) with af.iT's, filled perfectly but leading to some strange xml error pages.

Remembering those "invalid" 3-dots-@start-pages, I'm not sure if these links aren't working only for me again, or we have some iTLM bug here. Question was inspired by Lwt, after walking through af-asin, akuma & mb, now champing at the bit to make the same on af.iT. --Senvaikis (talk) 20:37, November 10, 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I'd noticed. It started a few days ago, I think. At first the links still worked, but a few hours ago I tried to add some album itunes, and the links only led me to the generic "trying to find itunes" page. I'm afraid we might need to adjust the templates… I'd better let Sean know. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:42, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
Ok, I'll try to slow down the eagerness of Lwt then :)--Senvaikis (talk) 21:23, November 10, 2009 (UTC)
You don't need the artist-name, is enough to work - Chris 21:01, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
Are you speaking this to me? :),--Senvaikis (talk) 22:43, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
Hey hey, I didn't know that page existed ;) Cool thing, although I don't quite get what you want to show with it. You want to visit all the pages and update the parameters? I just wanted to point out that no changes in the parameters are needed to get the links back to work again.- Chris 13:20, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
What I wanted to show:
  1. LW documentation must be changed - it doesn't match format of link, produced by current iTLM
  2. Templates, producing iT links are based on old iTLM format and might be changed too
  3. If we decided to change templates, then some additional unification would be possible, removing uninformative parts of *f.iT parameters, as was done with af.asin & *.f.akuma
--Senvaikis (talk) 16:37, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Editing War

Please stop this editing war on Ali Project page. Is there some sort of new rule that requires all the translated lyrics to be redirected to a new page? But transliteration is not really translating. And it is kind of helpful to have transliteration next to the translation... Iatheia 22:57, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, there is a new rule. :) Now you use {{TranslatedSong|en|roman|etc}} to add the translated lyrics. If you can't find a suitable name for transliteration it can be added at the template such as "roman" for "romanized". PS. Also additional albums are added with album2=/album3= at {{Song}} or {{Additional Albums}} and not 2 or 3 different templates.Titaki 10:50, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Titaki! Please also note that you can still have original/transliteration/translation side-by-side, just on the transl(iter)ation subpage instead of the original song page. See Ali Project:桃色天国/roman and …en for examples. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:48, November 30, 2009 (UTC)


I dunno

I leave you alone for two or more weeks and it's the same old story..I come back to find you have been upsetting all our users. You evidently need me more than you think you do :-)

Anyway. I'm hoping all is well with you of course. I'm still suffering (well it is winter you know) so I've not really committed to much these past few weeks. However, in between times I did decide to do this. I guess I must be learning something if I'm starting to have a conscience about leaving code as it is that works out Ok (display wise), when I know that this is simply a "happy little accident" (RIP Bob Ross) (i.e. the code is wrong). There's still lots that gets me scratching my head (no I haven't got nits), but I think you'll agree that I'm starting to get the hang of it. Have I missed any major updates or anything?  Яєdxx Actions Words 18:05, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Oh dear. Where to start… I'm already getting a headache just from looking at the page, I don't think I could stomach the source code. (Plus, I'm pretty short on time these days.) What do I have to pay you to leave at least my userpage alone? ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 15:43, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
Well you could always try what Notime2cry's done and erect a "No Meddling Zone" sign. But since that only lasted until I saw that it needed some explanatory hover text, I don't give a lot for your chances :-).
"Pretty short on time these days...". You do this deliberately, don't you? Mmmmmm...a priest?
 Яєdxx Actions Words 17:02, December 11, 2009 (UTC) P.S. Category:Userboxes/Nationality & Template:Userboxes/Hometown
A priest??? You must be getting desperate. Sorry, gotta go, can't find the incense… — 6×9 (Talk) 13:46, December 12, 2009 (UTC) was I more right with my first guess? You are a student, yes? Studying a form of medicine? Do you ever get beyond first names on first dates? Rfl. Useless fact number 153: My first internet best bud was a satanist from Denmark.  Яєdxx Actions Words 14:44, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
"Pretty short on time these days..."...mmmm...Gotcha! You're Santa Claus! :-)  Яєdxx Actions Words 15:13, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
Ho ho ho! Wanna see my rod?
BTW, since you're so fond of redecorating other people's user pages (poor Sean) – here's a useful site about web page design… *ducks* — 6×9 (Talk) 16:31, December 20, 2009 (UTC)
Well that's got to be the best offer I've had all week. It's sure gotta beat Grim's latest offer , which I felt I had to refuse (lol). So yes, Herr Sechs :-)
Oh and before I forget, when you've got a minute to spare in between packing your sleigh and tinkering with your bells ;), can you look at this page, as I don't fully understand the hidden category thingy and the wikipedia thingy isn't hidden as I feel it should be. Merry Christmas!  Яєdxx Actions Words 09:29, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
Hide a cat by placing __HIDDENCAT__ on the category page, f. e. Category:Albums_released_in_1998. The following rules are applied to this category:
  • The category only disappears in the cat-listing on pages in the hidden category (at least I thought so)
  • The category appears in Category:Hidden categories
  • The category still appears in Special:Categories
  • The category still appears as subcategory of parent categories
  • The category still appears in categories applied to the category
Chris 15:16, December 21, 2009 (UTC) Hopefully that was what you needed to know to understand hidden categories, Red :)
Thank you Chris X, but I think this hidden wikipedia category is slightly different, if my memory serves me correctly when 6 set it up.
Anyway you two, I hope you have a great Bescherung. Be sure not to eat too much carp (or them awful sausages of yours (lol)), and remember that too many of them lovely home made cookies will make you fat!
Happy Christmas!  Яєdxx Actions Words 05:27, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
Not sure what you wanted the WP link on the userbox template page to do… Maybe you meant {{WP-Flag}}, which has __HIDDENCAT__ built into it so it doesn't have to be added to hometown cats manually?
RE: sausages, you obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Then again, having seen (and even tasted) those horrible food simulations you Brits call sausages, I guess I shouldn't be too surprised. (Or was the "sausage" you tried this one?) — 6×9 (Talk) 14:34, December 25, 2009 (UTC)

German Christmas Eve Meals

"In Germany, traditions vary from region to region. Carp is eaten in many parts of the country[6]. Potato salad with frankfurter or wiener sausages is popular in some families. Another simple meal which some families favour, especially in regions where Christmas Eve still has the character of a fast day, is vegetable or pea soup. In some regions, especially in Schleswig-Holstein where Danish influence is noticeable, a roasted duck or goose filled with plums, apples and raisins is family tradition. In other regions, especially in Mecklenburg and Pomerania, many families prefer kale with boiled potatoes, special sausages and ham. Many families have developed new traditions for themselves and eat such meals as meat fondue or raclette. In almost all families in all parts of Germany you find a wide variety of Christmas cookies baked according to recipes typical for the family and the region."

Oh and with regards to the wp link forget it. I was adding it to template page instead of category page.  Яєdxx Actions Words 03:48, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Well, I'm from North Rhine-Westphalia (acutally from the left part, the so called Rhineland), and we ate Raclette and chicken fricassee like every year. Aaaaand of course we eat Baumkuchen and Aachener Printen ;) It might be a bit stereotype but here's what we eat. - Chris 11:22, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

LyricWiki Suite Update

Hey 6, I just want to let you know there's a new version of LWS, now with and Wikipedia as sources for PreCoder, the Time Adding feature included, template-updates payed attention to and some minor things corrected.

Just in case you might be interested =) - Chris 12:00, December 12, 2009 (UTC) P.S.: Did you know, today's your 527th day at LyricWiki so you do 152.38 edits per day? ;) (I've scripted some code to display that^^)

The edit count is off – before the Move it was > 400,000. That number wasn't accurate either, though; I suspect page moves were counted twice. And I did a lot of those via batchmove => lotsa edits with little work!
Cool! I quickly tested the precoder with Wikipedia (works, but the tracklist I used had ” instead of " so I had to search'n'replace first… not a problem though, since most pages use straight quot. marks anyway. Automated length adding is great!) and MusicBrainz (it leaves the track length, so I get "Artist:Song Title 1:23"… You could do one better than Wikifyer by allowing unknown lengths "?:??" as well). WatchDoc is a cool idea, but it doesn't like unicode – some Cyrillics got converted to "?" you can't blame Win98 either, since I'm on XP now ;-) . Good work though! — 6×9 (Talk) 12:54, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
Could you give me the Wikipedia and MB sourcepages you used?
  1. It's no problem for me to replace smart-quotes with straight quotes in the programm before recognition starts.
  2. I tested MB-parsing again for an album by Splodgenessabounds and couldn't reproduce the time error. What you see on the page is original PreCoder output (except for the Genre and ASIN on the album page), copied from here (select everything from "1" in the top-left to "4:44" in the bottom-right-corner of the table)
  3. What do you mean by "allowing" ?:?? lengths? You mean, it should summarize the length although not all are known?
Unfortunately I cannot "extend" character support AFAIK to any character. I'll test it though.
Thank you for your quick report! - Chris 14:56, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
Aaaah I found the reason for length in trackname. It's an issue if the table is copied with the Internet Explorer. I'll change it soon. - Chris 15:16, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
I used [7] and [8] for testing. RE "?:??" – not all MB album pages have tracklengths, those that don't show the ?:?? placeholder in the right column.
Hmmm, I copied the MB tracklist from IE into a text editor – there were 5 space char.s between title and length. I replaced these with tabs – didn't help either. Which delimiter does the precoder expect (out of curiosity)? — 6×9 (Talk) 15:40, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
Firefox displays the times even in their own lines, and that was the problem: I didn't know browsers parse HTML-tables into text formats using own rules. I thought the result would only depend on the original source-code. However it's fixed, download LWS again.
The same error occurred for Opera (which is fixed as well now), and tests with Safari made up perfect results, too.
Quote problem is solved now, PreCoder changes to " and to ' - Chris 15:51, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
Wow, that was fast! Thanks! Any chance the precoder could ignore the "is covered by…" bits as well? I'm getting [[Brian Eno:The Secret Place Is Covered By The Secret Place By DarXtra|… (Though that might get complicated, if other browsers give different delimiters for these as well. Where's the W3C when you need them?) — 6×9 (Talk) 17:36, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
Just see where wanting something can get you 6? I got what I wanted and a hell of a lot more besides! Again Chris - very well done. I've asked Sean to take a look at LWS and respond to you directly (but bear in mind he is extremely busy at the moment). It's also great that you and Senv talk the same language and can assist each other with programming projects. I told you Senv was a great guy. Now you know it too. It is a good day :-)  Яєdxx Actions Words 14:42, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

What do you think about this?

Fiva:Lila - there's a warning, that the text is about cutting (German: SVV, Selbstverletzendes Verhalten), and that it might be a trigger for some people. *erm... oO* Furthermore there's a threat that the warning has to remain on the page or the text'll be deleted (I guess the IP did not know about "reverts after deletion of content") - Chris 00:40, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Reminds me of the old "parental advisory" template we used to have, but eventually deleted because hardly anyone wanted it… Problem is, if the IP in question is also the author of the song (and he signed with "mc"), (s)he can have the page removed. This has happened a few times when artists didn't want their lyrics displayed here, for various reasons. — 6×9 (Talk) 07:48, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
I don't think so, look at his/her comments on Fiva:
"While i truely believe, that RUecken an Ruecken is really 2005, i wouldnt believe that Kopfhoerer was released THAT late. -'mc'" If it was Fiva herself she ought to know when her albums were released, right? - Chris 13:00, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
We could save ourselves the hassle of bashing heads by leave the warning there (and putting the text on the song page into an HTML comment so it's only visible when someone edits the page). In terms of Fiva I think we should move the comments to the talk page and write 'mc' a note saying (s)he should "make any edits you feel are correct (wp:BOLD if that applies here) and link to any sources on the talk page to make sure others see where your coming from". Sound good? LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 04:30, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
Yeah it sounds good but 'mc' is not registered and the IP is changing all the time. We'd have to put the message on at least 2 talk-pages and if the IP changed the last times it's likely changing again so the message won't be read.
Anyways I don't like Fiva^^ She changes her name with every release - Fiva MC, Fiva MC & DJ Radrum, Fiva and Radrum, Fiva (and Radrum not credited although involved as before) and so on. Very confusing... There was a comment to move pages from a certain name to another, and I did it. Then I went to the album page and now all songs are redirects -.-* I don't know how to handle it... - Chris 17:00, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
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