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I've mucked up

I was trying to help but alas..User:Kingnee1114lyrics#Boxes. It's the gap preceding the last userbox. And for the life of me, I just can't sort it. It happens no matter which userbox is last (since I amended some userbox templates).  Яєdxx Actions Words 10:27, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

The culprit was the {{clear}} in the C22 userbox. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:27, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
Phew thanks 6, you saved my bacon :-) The King has put up with a lot from me and of course everyone knows by now, as indeed does the King himself, that I meddle and ignore all the so called wiki etiquette and boundaries, but I was honestly fearing for my life at seeing that gap. And do you know the funny thing was that the more I stared at it the wider it grew.. :-)  Яєdxx Actions Words 00:28, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Happy No-Right Click day!

Oh joy!  Яєdxx Actions Words 00:28, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Dunno what you mean – works for me, same as always. Of course, I have scripting disabled… — 6×9 (Talk) 07:49, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Me a bit happier now :-)  Яєdxx Actions Words 08:41, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


Have a butchers at this if you would be so kind, and tell me that it doesn't look a bit silly with repeated "I'm Not In Love"'s. I'm sure with your exceptional talents you can improve upon this. ;)  Яєdxx Actions Words 13:12, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it looks rather silly, but how else would you link to the song pages? Having the artist name link to them would be rather counterintuitive. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:40, October 2, 2009 (UTC)
by the #if thingy? E.g.#if song title is entered in parameter |t#, then display this. If none entered then don't ;)  Яєdxx Actions Words
And how would you link to the song without displaying the song title? — 6×9 (Talk) 07:46, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
By way of artist. If nothing entered against artist name in a |t parameter then don't display song title (which has a consistent value). Instead incorporate the song title into the artist link and display the result, i.e. [[ARTIST:{{PAGENAME}}|ARTIST]]:
|a1 = {{lw|ARTIST:{{PAGENAME}}|ARTIST}} <<< User would just enter ARTIST, but this is how it would be interpreted
|a2 = {{lw|Buddy Guy:SONG TITLE (i.e. {{PAGENAME}})|Buddy Guy}}<<< as above
|a3 = Marvin Gaye|t3=Ain't No Sunshine When She's Gone
|a4 = Tom Jones|t4=Ain't No Sunshine When She's Gone
which would result in:
 Яєdxx Actions Words 11:15, October 3, 2009 (UTC) P.S. Btw seems we can't collapse tables anymore.
"Having the artist name link to them would be rather counterintuitive." That's why you should actually read my posts before replying to them… — 6×9 (Talk) 11:19, October 3, 2009 (UTC) PS. Collapsible tables require scripting to be enabled. You can't have your cake and eat it…
Now don't you go getting shirty with me Mister 9! Maybe if I understood what you mean by counterintuitive...? Besides I disagree. What is counter-intuitive for one may be intuitive for another ;) And thank you for the info. I had already figured that was why wikEd had disappeared.  Яєdxx Actions Words 11:27, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
You don't know what "counterintuitive" means? You could just look it up, you know. — 6×9 (Talk) 11:38, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
"What is counter-intuitive for one may be intuitive for another." That's why you should actually read my posts before replying to them… :P  Яєdxx Actions Words 12:11, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought you were just being a smart-ass ;-) when you're really being a parrot instead Even if some nutcases out there actually think that having an artist name link to a song page is normal, you won't seriously suggest having a mixture of both won't leave anybody encountering it for the first (and likely second and third) time thoroughly confused? — 6×9 (Talk) 12:20, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
No. It's just a link. We tell these nutcases often enough that they can enter what they want in the display portion of a link so I doubt anyone will be that confused by this. In my opinion it would certainly be an improvement to the repeats of the song title running down the page..although I accept that some nutcases might actually prefer it ;) Яєdxx Actions Words 12:42, October 3, 2009 (UTC)


I wasn't aware of any guidelines. I copied from here: Sigur Rós:Glósóli. Have fun splitting these apart as well...

what's the reason for having a separate translation article btw?

EDIT: is there any way to move those ringtone ads out of the <lyrics> container? I can't make the icelandic and translated lines line up correctly with and without the ads, otherwise. -- TomyLobo 10:11, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Moving translations to subpages was the result of (a part of) this leeeeengthy discussion. The main reasons (so you won't have to read all that) were (1) that popular songs might well get translated into several languages, which would result in rather unwieldy pages, and (2) that many plugins which displayed lyrics in media players got confused if there was more than one set of <lyrics> tags on a page.
As for the ringtone ads, they shouldn't be displayed inside the lyricbox at all, but directly above and below (as it was before the Move). The placement would be screwed up either way though. I'll see if I can find a solution. — 6×9 (Talk) 10:26, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Should be better now :-) (There's really no reason to display ringtone ads on translation subpages anyway…) — 6×9 (Talk) 10:31, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Note on categories

Dear 6 times 9

I'm Linus. Thanks for your message(Note on categories) to me.

My English knowledge is poor, and please point me out if the mistake is found.

I agrees to your idea. Category:Hometown/Japan has been corrected with a space on the initial based on your idea. I think that it is appropriate that the subcategories of Category:Hometown/Japan first classifies it into 47 prefecture. Therefore, it is suitable to delete the follows:

(including more subcategory: Category:Hometown/Japan/Honshū/Tokyo)
(including more subcategories: Category:Hometown/Japan/Kantō/Takasaki, Category:Hometown/Japan/Kantō/Tokyo, Category:Hometown/Japan/Kantō/Utsunomiya and Category:Hometown/Japan/Kantō/Yokohama)

Please cooperate to delete the category because I do not have the it's authority.

Thank you for your kind cooperation. - Linus 13:37, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

The categories have been deleted. Thank you for your tireless work here and elsewhere! — 6×9 (Talk) 13:45, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for deletion the categories.
I'm hoping to contribute to the development of this site. Please point it out by all means if there is a problem in my behaviour. - Linus 13:59, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


I don't even know if this is possible but when you get a minute could you take a look at the above please. I want it to display at the very bottom of the page. And stay there.  Яєdxx Actions Words 22:34, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

No idea, I'll have to look into stuff first. Maybe Chris knows, though…? — 6×9 (Talk) 05:08, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
On second thoughts, you could just ask Sean to add it to the bottom of all pages, since there's hardly a page you haven't meddled with at one time or another anyway… ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 10:13, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
Haa haa. Of course it depends on your definition of "meddle". Яєdxx Actions Words 11:35, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
Is that what you had in mind? — 6×9 (Talk) 17:35, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Willie Nelson - Whisky Walze (Whisky Walzer) deleted

You deleted the song "Whisky Walze". The summary for this action was: "I doubt Willie Nelson sang this......."

Willie Nelson really did säng this song in German. It was on the Album "Nashville was the roughest". So if you don't believe this, I can send you the mp3-file of the song. -- 17:14, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

The song is called "Whisky Walze'''r'''", not "…Walze" (which explains why Google only produced two search results). — 6×9 (Talk) 17:19, October 7, 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough, but you should have written this into your original justification. Maikel 08:37, October 9, 2009 (UTC)


I wonder why you deleted the category "Bavarian". It's not the same as "Austro-Bavarian", the same was English isn't German just because they belong to the same family. Maikel 08:34, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

According to English Wikipedia it is the same. (Definitions don't always translate 1:1 into other languages.) — 6×9 (Talk) 11:24, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
The linguistic-historical classification isn't relevant here. Else we'd have to concede that "Can't Get No Satisfaction" was written in "Indogerman".
Definitions don't always translate 1:1 into other languages. -- I don't understand what you mean by that. 11:21, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
Except that the Wikipedia article for English language doesn't redirect to Indogerman. We chose to stick with Wikipedia for things like hometown/country spelling, genres, and language, so we wouldn't get bogged down in endless discussions about things that are really only secondary to our main purpose – lyrics. Hence, "Slovene" instead of "Slovenian" (though both are acceptable and the latter might even be more widely used) and "Austro-Bavarian" instead of "Bavarian German".
With the 1:1 bit I meant that the (official, at least) English term for "Bairisch" is not (as I would have expected myself, until looking it up) "Bavarian", but "Austro-Bavarian". — 6×9 (Talk) 11:37, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
With all respect, I'm not asking, I'm telling. You're misinterpreting that Wikipedia article. Austrian is called Austrian is not the same as Bavarian and it's not properly called Austro-Bavarian, and vice versa. Maikel 16:00, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
No one said Austrian and Bavarian are the same. What Wikipedia terms "Austro-Bavarian" is what you refer to as "Bavarian". What you refer to as "Austrian", Wikipedia terms "Austrian German". — 6×9 (Talk) 19:34, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
Is that so? Gawd strewth! I shall rush out and tell my compatriots that we've been wrong all along. See, we used to think that we're speaking Bavarian and Austrian, when really it's Austrobavarian and Austrogerman! Thanks to some spotty Wikipedia-editor in, I wager, Grnsk/Kazakhstan for setting us straight. Maikel 09:35, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
Excuse for unasked intervention, but if this wp article is really so fallacious (nothing strange, if written by Borat), then imo would be fine if Maikel or someone of he's compatriots, (being a real patriots), fixed that article :). --Senvaikis (talk) 10:44, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
@Maikel: before you do as Senv suggested, I suggest you discuss this with Auslli first, the spotty editor from Grnsk who did most of the work on the article. — 6×9 (Talk) 12:26, October 27, 2009 (UTC)
No thanks. Maikel 11:47, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Maikel, you appear to feel as if there is some ignorance about these languages at LyricWiki. Well, sure, we're not linguists. We're music fans. That's why we use Wikipedia as our guideline. There, they are much more likely to have knowledgable people editing and discussing such things. If Wikipedia is incorrect, then work with the editors there to correct things so that updating can then occur here as well.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   20:47, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Are you upsetting people again 6? I dunno...I turn my back for one minute..;)  Яєdxx Actions Words 12:42, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Just doing what I do best. (That was a rather long minute…) You still need to practice your ellipses, BTW. ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 13:05, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Don't say you're actually missing me? *Thinks to self: Maybe there's hope for me yet (Rfl)* As for the ellipse, I did it on purpose. Just to see if you noticed.. :P  Яєdxx Actions Words 13:12, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Right. And this time was on purpose too, of course. Though at least you added a space for once. Probably accidentally :-)
Hope for you? After I spent *ages* (10 minutes, at the very least) on your meddle template and you haven't thanked me for it, or probably even looked at it at all? *sulks* — 6×9 (Talk) 13:21, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
Funny you should say that. I visited Cubs page last night (i.e. early hours of the morning) and noticed this floating thing. I was extremely tired and I thought maybe I had something in my eye for a second - You see what you've got to understand is that I'm wearing myself out on a daily basis overdoing everything. Well, there's just SO much
Cats 3
"Snowy!" Sorry about that 6.
Where was I?
(If we ignore her she'll go away.) Anyway. as I was saying, there's just SO much I want to do and there's not nearly enough hours in the day! No matter how little time I spend sleeping ;) And yes I know I'm forever being told sleep = more productive - Anyhow, I fully intended to investigate this strange occurence after bathing my eye with Optrex but seems my brain had other ideas and decided to switch itself off. So THANK YOU. I'm never suprised anymore by your talents, but, as this proves, I can still be impressed by them! I just hope Cubs is as grateful - lol. Kiss  Яєdxx Actions Words 14:02, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

iTunes trivia

I agree that 'trimmed' iTunes parameter format, used in your editions like that also produce valid iTunes links likewise full-formatted pattern, documented in {{ITunes}}. If there's indeed no difference between those two patterns (both are working for me), I might retrain lwt to use simpler form, but then tl doc should be changed accordingly imo. --Senvaikis (talk) 13:20, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

AFAIK the "i=" part is the song ID (since it's the only bit that changes for different songs of the same album), so it seems unnecessary to include it on an album page. According to Echo, all links with the "i=" part lead to the same album page anyway (though I've no way to test this myself), so we could leave that bit out on song pages as well – which would simplify things greatly, since we could just copy'n'paste the same iTunes parameter across all songs of an album. Agreed though that template docs should be adjusted accordingly. Unless there are any objections I'll do that later. — 6×9 (Talk) 13:52, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

There is a difference

Between the Lyriks [1] --Franz (Fg68at) 19:45, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

As far as I could tell, the video and single mix only differ in that some verses were edited out in each. In these cases it's better to add a note to the song page, rather than creating separate song pages. — 6×9 (Talk) 05:09, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
Why no German Wikipedia? [2] (It is one of the most complete, including explanaition of the gay Background.) --Franz (Fg68at) 06:09, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
And now there are 3 Versions in 1 with all information [3] --Franz (Fg68at) 06:42, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

AF.asin, blabla & The Answer

One more trivia, - this time regarding contradictory af.asin filling instructions, described in AF Help and {{ArtistFooter}} docs. First one declares that af.asin should contain pure <Artist ID>, latter requires <ArtisName>/e/<Artist ID> pattern. That wouldn't be worth to mention, knowing that first statement is wrong. But let's speak about the second one. I hope you have noticed my slightly facetious remark, formerly made to revision of one your interesting edition. If I'm right, then {{ArtistFooter}} potentially should be able to produce required link, using first, pure formula, containing only <Artist ID>. Am I missing something here? Tia, --Senvaikis (talk) 21:58, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

The short answer is: I didn't know that when I added the parameter. Will only found out later by accident, but by then there were already too many pages to be updated by hand, no bots were available for the task, and you were so busy constantly fixing things that I didn't want to pile on even more. But if you're ready to update ~900 pages, just say the word! — 6×9 (Talk) 05:08, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
I'm ready to update 9*105 pages, as you know ;). cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 05:12, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
Changed & tested – you can set your binary alter ego loose :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 09:09, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
Have you implemented af.asin format checking, assigning all old-style-or-mis-formatted artist pages to some special category (on touching), like OSAL etc?. That'd make Lwt's job easier ;) Btw, that's a good occasion to thank you finally for all those cats you created. They proved very usefull for LW monitoring & maintenance. I stole silently your idea from your userpage, and that helped Lwt a lot ;) --Senvaikis (talk) 10:28, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
Category:Invalid ASIN Parameter should catch all pages (not just Artists) where length(ASIN) <> 10. (The string extension is really useful; easily the best thing about the Move IMO.) It'll just take a while to fill up… In the meantime, you could just blaze through Category:Amazon/Artist – nearly all pages in there will have to be fixed anyway. (I corrected two by hand, for testing purposes.) — 6×9 (Talk) 10:59, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

*f.akuma stuff

At the risk of going slightly pink, let me ask one more question, - just it's too parallel to previous one: don't you think that the same unification may be realized on *f.akuma? I do promise - that's the last my trivia-question (for today at least, I hope). --Senvaikis (talk) 10:46, October 14, 2009 (UTC)

Akuma is a bit different: (1) the number is slightly bigger (~60,000 song pages); (2) it's not just a matter of stripping a part of the parameter off, the old format ("12345-some-name") would have to be converted to the new one ("artist,67890,index") first; (3) most links on song pages lead to the artist page on akuma, when it would be preferable they went to the album page instead.
What I'd suggest is that we start on (3) first, by changing OSAL to catch all pages with "12345-some-name" format. We'd have to get those songs with albums out of the way first (add same akuma ID to album and songs), then get album info for the remaining songs, and clear out those artists who are no longer available on Akuma. Or maybe do that last bit first… — 6×9 (Talk) 10:59, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
Am I right treating your answer as principled approval for such changes? Differences you've mentioned are more related to quantity and complexity of changes, but both are surmountable imo.
Btw, while doing the last bit (detecting dead or wrong OSALs), Lwt in most cases would be able to replace live Old-SALs by New-SALs or remove dead OSALs (at least for artist pages; tested already). Speaking about "most cases" I mean that strictly speaking such removing of "wrong/dead" links (in cyborg opinion) may affect some quite valid links. It's evident that H.A.A.R.P. & HAARP is the same Muse album. For us, but not for Lwt (f.e. see Adolescents case in screenshot). And it's almost impossible to learn it "thinking our way". Anyway, potentially Lwt just now is ready to run over Category:Akuma/Artist, validating af.akuma and assigning them new-style values ("artist,p\d+,index") if they are valid. All unchanged "wrong" OSALs may be checked/corrected/removed later manually (though I hope to learn Lwt for some new tricks, reducing this manual job). But I'd not hurry up yet, - just wanted you to know the news from Cyberia and listen to your wise opinion & suggestions. --Senvaikis (talk) 12:30, October 15, 2009 (UTC)
The screenshot proves once again how brilliant LWT and its owner are! Just weeding out the dead links (the bright red ones), plus subsequently removing the links from all album/song pages for those artists, would already be a big help.
Just to clarify: by unification, do you mean just converting old to new format, or also converting "a*,p###,index" to just "p###"? Because the latter might be problematic on song pages, where it's not intuitively obvious whether the link should go to artist or album. We could leave out the ",index" bit however, that was just left in for compatibility with old format anyway. (An interim fix to {{akuma}} so it'll recognise and produce working links for all of these formats wouldn't be a problem.) — 6×9 (Talk) 07:40, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
Yep... If LW formatting policy will be based on "intuitive obviousness", - all bots, cyborgs and even some users (partial to clarity, like me) are doomed to failure.
So let's look what may such heavy-minded user find in our Songs Formatting Help regarding sf.akuma. Nothing. It's not even mentioned in entire page. So, no akuma in SF!
Then maybe {{Akuma}} docs can help us? You may lol, but scenery's the same, though this time with song, not even mentioned here. So, no songs with sf.akuma - 2:0!
Now let's look at our last hope - {{SongFooter}} docs. Thank heavens! All is extremelly clear here: sf.akuma may exist. And it should point only to akuma artist. Pfff - 2:1 :)
So, now I may say to Lwt not to delete sf.akuma from all those ~60000 songs in Category:Akuma/Song, because their existance does have some (weak) vouch ;)
Ok, returning to more serious discussion, I want to ask - what problems do you see in using uniform "(p|r)\d+" ("p" or "r", followed by at least one digit) pattern for all three pagetypes?. Let's run through all them:
  • Artist: "\d+-some-text" -> "artist,p\d+,index" -> "p\d+"Done
  • Album: "\d+-some-text" -> "album,r\d+,index"DoneGreen -> "r\d+"DoneGreen
  • Song: "\d+-some-text" -> "artist,p\d+,index" -> "p\d+"Done
Simple? Imo yes. If some songs have "\d+-some-text"-pattern-formatted sf.akuma, finally linked to the album (though according docs, that should be trated as invalid link), - that's not a big deal too - to move them into "r#####" form, though again - it should be documented somewhere.
--Senvaikis (talk) 10:41, October 16, 2009 (UTC)
The lack of documentation is because for the longest time, akuma links were only added by ÜB anyway, and all of those linked to the artist page. Will asked a while back if it wouldn't be better to link to album pages instead, and Sean agreed (so do I).
With the current akuma format, it's absurdly simple for the template to detect if the link is valid: everything up to the first comma has to be either "artist" or "album", everything after the second comma has to be "index", and the link will work whether you use it in Artist-, Album- or SongFooter. With the shortened form, a "local" check for validitiy is just as simple, but you can no longer be sure that the link works until you actually try it. — 6×9 (Talk) 07:52, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
Wait, 6 - but format I'm speaking about (containing only akumaID) is yet more simple! If akumaID starts from "p" - generate link to artist (performer), if "r" - album (release) page. So current algorithm is the the top of complexity compared to this:
  • "p####"->"''artist,p347307'',index.html"
  • "r####"->"''album,r347307'',index.html"
Don't know about string extentons, but most languages even have standard f-n for such purpose like String.Format("{0},{1},index.html", pagetype, akumaId). Suspect I've missed something in your argumentation about "validation". Imo "trying" is the only one reliable method for validation of link in either formatting pattern. That's true for asin, mb, dog, lrcdb, and that's valid for any ex-, current, or future format akuma. But again - I have a strong feeling I'm missing something here :) --Senvaikis (talk) 16:44, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
That sound you just heard was the sound of my head hitting the desk. Can you believe that I never noticed that (p/r) difference? *tries to crawl under a rock and hide until Doomsday*
So we'll change {{akuma}} to (1) put those pages with "a*,&###,index" in Cat:OSAL (no full URLs left anyway) and (2) allow both current formats, PLUS the new "[p|r]###" format, until OSAL has been emptied and the old format can be discontinued… right? — 6×9 (Talk) 17:24, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
"If you wanna hide something well - put it in the most noticable place" - how many times I was a victim of this law also... :) Ok, now I have only 2 questions:
  1. Should we finish current process of OSALs->NSALs, moving all *f.akuma into format "pagetype,pageID,index" before moving them into "pageID" format or may we jump direct into final format, omitting intermediate stage?
  2. Am I right, supposing that now we may allow both type of links in sf.akuma (r#### as well as p###)?
--Senvaikis (talk) 19:25, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
Since I just updated {{akuma}} you might as well use the final format. (This time I'm also remembering songs in template doc!) Both link types (artist & album), in both old and new format, are allowed anywhere (not that anyone would want to link to an album in ArtistFooter…). And despite all that, there's slightly less code in the template :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 19:30, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

So, akuma/album & /artist are done, with varying success. Now we'd process with /songs, but before that - some notes:

  • OSAL docs should be changed to reflect current requirements for *f.akuma format
  • Current algorithm of akuma link construction in most cases produces deadlinks for songs. Take the first song from OSAL for example - akuma link is dead, 'cause it's based on "/mp3147201-blackmores-night/" (why?), while live link should be based on "/mp3artist/". As was mentioned above, Lwt is able to generate new style acuma links, checking existing old-style link. Dead/wrong ones are being removed during this process. If I'll run Lwt over A/S now, it may become almost empty ;). Of cource, I could validate existing akuma link, ignoring one, generated by {{akuma}}, if I knew that all sf.akuma links had "/mp3artist/" base. But truth to tell, I'm not sure... May be some of them linked to albums?

Any thoughts? --Senvaikis (talk) 07:26, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

For songs, you can assume that any "old old" parameters are "/mp3artist/" links, else they'd have stopped working long ago (as soon as shortened version instead of full URL was introduced). …Actually, according to this discussion, some did stop working – can't remember what became of them. Wouldn't the simplest solution be to check for both? See if "/mp3artist/" works; if it doesn't, see if "/mp3album/" works? — 6×9 (Talk) 12:25, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
PS. Just fixed the template so "old old" links will work again… like previously, it assumes that those on song pages go to /mp3artist/. — 6×9 (Talk) 12:29, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
As you positively remember from the mentioned discussion, I was the second to Will, speaking that link to the album would be more reasonable in song page. Though initial investigation shows that all existing sf.akumas are linked to the artist (meeting pattern "####-artist-name"), at least I've not found any exception to this rule yet. But now Will will ;) have a possibility to relink all songs he's managing to the albums. And then you'll notice that link text, generated by {{akuma}}, still points to the artist. Ok - theoretically {{akuma}} could generate different link text, depending on first akumaID char ("p"/"r"). But that presuppose non-empty album variable. And that may seem kind of no problem - after all, if editor wants to add akuma link to the album, that definitely means the album of song is known. But how about other instances of the same song on other albums (they may even not have their pages @akuma)? So, this initially simple desire would lead us to the requirement of second optional sf.akuma parameter (link text) implementation? Btw, the same may be said about af.akuma in the album page, pointing to the artist, when particular album is unavailable @akuma, though this case is more simple, not requiring additional parameter. Sorry for unstructured msg, but just have no time to make it more readable - you have proved yourself being quick-witted enough to understand even my broken English :) --Senvaikis (talk) 20:38, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
I meant to change the link text back to song title, but forgot about it… I've made a note now. I think it should be the same as for iTunes, i.e. "buy Song Title". Simple & consistent ;-)
Links in AlbumFooter should (IMO of course) always go to the album page, not the artist. If they have the album, we'll want to link to it directly, if they don't, there should be no link at all. We could even include a check in AF template to make sure of that…
Don't worry about readability – compared to some of Echo's or Red's cryptic postings (often just half a sentence, or a link without any explanation) yours are a piece of cake :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 09:19, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
Done. ...Cursed the day I asked this "trivia" Q - it cost me several donkeywork days :)--Senvaikis (talk) 21:14, October 21, 2009 (UTC)
Heh. Glad to have been of service :-) I did warn you about the # of pages… You also forced quite a few pages out of hiding (mostly sf.wp and inv. u2be), which is an additional benefit. I've also noticed quite a few u2be links that were damaged by Aqua's bot replacing _'s; I'll try to add some code to detect the rest of them later. — 6×9 (Talk) 05:10, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Emulating very laudable your habit of finding some benefits in any situation, I found one too - now I'm a millionaire, having total editcount >106 :). Btw, just 4 curiosity - why are you using,artistID,index.html akuma link instead of just,artistID,index.html, leading to the same address? --Senvaikis (talk) 08:48, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
I think that was originally for compatibility with the "old old" format (although I suppose it could have been split off even then). I simply didn't check whether it was necessary during the recent edits. I'll remove it together with the other compatibility stuff… in a few weeks or so, in case some pages haven't come out of hiding yet :-) My edit count used to be > 500,000 until the move… boo hoo!6×9 (Talk) 11:47, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

ML again

Hey, I just noticed that somehow the changes were made to have everything updated and fixed with {{MultipleLanguages}} and {{TranslatedSong}}, but what about Category:Pages Using Multiple Languages/V1 Template now? xD The move somehow made me forget about these... - Chris 22:23, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

I haven't forgotten about these… not completely, anyway ;-) The problem is that they'll probably have to be done by hand, as many of these need tl:TS really, and many of those that don't (lots of the Disney songs, for instance) need to be moved to their correct homes – like the actual Spanish title instead of appended "/es". — 6×9 (Talk) 07:33, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
Uh, looks like I've got a new project. The working on artists isn't the kind of work that I prefer, because I'm working fastest when I either know everything from my mind or I always have to do the same things. With artist pages I always have to do a lot of research and stuff, and this isn't really what I am good at. So I'll first take care of the DIsney stuff, move the pages and apply ML to them. This shouldn't be a big thing. See you later then... - Chris 12:22, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
Hm, as always I try to minimize the category artist by artist. Maybe it was a bad idea to start with Disney, one of the world's biggest film-companies with a huge department just for multi-lingual song versions *grin* - well, I'll leave it like it is now, because there's something I have to do for school, too, and this is more important because there's something like a deadline for it. - Chris 13:54, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

{{Additional Albums}}

I don't know if I've missed anything but I thought the problem with the collapsible templates not collapsing was fixed?  Яєdxx Actions Words 03:56, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Do you still have scripting turned off? — 6×9 (Talk) 07:22, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
Sorry yes, sorted now thank you. So you can archive this now if you want ;).  Яєdxx Actions Words 00:45, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Tracks never released on an album

Not sure what to do with these... been working on the Blazin' Squad page and as far as I know, most (if not all the tracks) left in the Other Songs section have never been released on an Album... so how should I list them? Should I just create the Singles in the listing of Albums anyway, as though they were albums?   ~angusi (user | talk | contribs | twittr | home) 20:30, October 17, 2009 (UTC)

Singles are difficult – you can ask five admins and get ten different answers… If there aren't too many, you can list them chronologically among the other albums (as with the few Pink Floyd singles containing non-album tracks). Else you could put them in their own section, like on the Mike Oldfield page.
Any songs that still aren't allocated after you've taken care of the singles, you can put into a "Non-album tracks" (or similar) section, with a bit of information on each (like on the Joe Jackson page). — 6×9 (Talk) 20:50, October 17, 2009 (UTC)
Ok, sorted most of them. What about the remaining tracks? - I can't seem to find any information on them. Should I just add them to a "Non-album tracks" section anyway?   ~angusi (user | talk | contribs | twittr | home) 16:06, October 18, 2009 (UTC)
(Sorry for the late reply…) They'll have to stay in the "Other songs" section until someone figures out what to do with them. Some are probably misattributed; MusicBrainz tells me that "Joanna" is really by Kool & The Gang and just features Blazin' Squad. — 6×9 (Talk) 12:47, October 19, 2009 (UTC)


It contains only 11 songs now. We do know there are much more songs having sf.lrcDB. Tried to touch one of them - no effect. Tried real edit - with same luck. Checked {{SongFooter}}, being almost sure that you've forgot to add this cat. No, I was wrong, - you haven't. Why then this cat is deadly empty, dammit?! Have suspicion that working on akumas has parched the last measly resources of my poor brain... --Senvaikis (talk) 14:13, October 22, 2009 (UTC)

Category:lrcDB/Song ;-) (Changed when Category:lrcDB/Artist got available.) Now off to change cat in {{lrcDB}} as well… — 6×9 (Talk) 14:23, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
Now you see -suspicion was reasoned... Honestly, - I've checked {{SongFooter}} carefully ;). Ok, then Category:lrcDB should be changed too imo - to prevent such mix-ups. Cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 14:40, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
P.S. :)

PageTitles, starting with "..."

Hi. Try to open this page. Failed? At least on my box (FF3 & IE8) all links to pages, starting with "\.{2,}" (more than 1 dot) are "dead", reporting that server's disconnected or too busy. Redirect to such page is "live" though. Any comments? --Senvaikis (talk) 10:27, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

No problems over here… first link above works, as well as entering a link directly in address bar. Maybe we get our data from different servers – wasn't there something about Wikia using several servers around the world for better/faster access? — 6×9 (Talk) 10:32, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
I'd wonder, if I weren't tired to be wondered. Now writing from my home box (not firewalled by corporate proxy), but results are the same as @work... You may be right suspeccting regional dependency. Don't know about you, but I'm not happy already playing the role of Sherlock Holmes; no, - that's more like to the role of poor dr. Watson, able only to wonder... :)--Senvaikis (talk) 17:48, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
Ok for me too.  Яєdxx Actions Words 20:50, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
Works for me three -Sean Colombo 23:29, October 23, 2009 (UTC)
Works 4 me too :), trying from yet another box. So that's surely client, not LW problem. Sorry for disturbance, --Senvaikis (talk) 14:14, October 24, 2009 (UTC)
Hey it works xD Tested for: Internet Explorer 8.0, Firefox 3.5.3, Opera 9.64 and Safari 3.2.2. - Chris 16:36, October 24, 2009 (UTC) OT: Yaaay, I love the new translation template that we designed, I translate my favourite lyrics over and over with my LWS-Lyrics Translator, just to spread this colourful template through LyricWiki ^.^

Rename my song_page

Hi, can u rename my song_page? I created it 21:43, October 25, 2009

here's wrong name .. [[Kabát:Slibem nazarmoutíš]]

but should it be right .. [[Kabát:Slibem nezarmoutíš]]

thank you for your help :) -- Jirun 22:42, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

Done You can do this yourself by using the "move" tab at the top of the page. — 6×9 (Talk) 06:09, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
According to LW:PN, shouldn't it be [[Kabát:Slibem Nezarmoutíš]] (uppercase N)? - Chris 17:38, October 28, 2009 (UTC)
In principle yes, but as long as this discussion isn't resolved (one way or the other), I'm kinda holding back on strictly enforcing this policy. But don't tell Kiefer.6×9 (Talk) 17:53, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

New pages?

I cannot create any new page, I just get a blank page, it's even not showing up the LW-favicon, just the wikia one, looks like we should trace the error back to them. - Chris 22:27, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Weird Chris. It's working ok for me. See Kabát:Slibem Nezarmoutíš  Яєdxx Actions Words 02:00, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Works for me too, both via red links and directly in the address bar. — 6×9 (Talk) 06:09, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
Yes, as I supposed it seems like it was a temporary phenomenon. - Chris 12:55, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
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