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Burning Bridges

Didn't know if you'd see this, so I thought I'd just check to make sure. --WillMak050389 03:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and this one too. --WillMak050389 01:03, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

VDG

see Van Der Graaf:Nadir's Big Chance, only non redir in that namespace. Night Owl 16:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that! Batchmove must have skipped it for some reason, despite target page being a redirect… — 6×9 (Talk) 16:07, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Damn Damn Damn

I was steadily working my way through and reviewing every Damned song versus The Damned as you probably noticed. I was mainly doing this because the majority, well every one I came across in fact, of lyrics assigned to 'Damned' were better formatted than the same version by the correctly titled The Damned which in some cases had lines missing. It now appears however that this information has been has been ..erm..lost?  Ñôīέ2çяȳTalk 21:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Those Damned pages I checked were untouched by human hand – bot creations subsequently only edited by bots. Any metadata other than the autotemplate stuff was only on the TD pages (including sometimes songwriting credits). No work by humans has been lost, as far as I can tell. — 6×9 (Talk) 22:19, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
The Redirects from Damned to TD songs are still there, what may seem lost is still accessible by checking the history of the song redirects. Nothing was deleted. hth Night Owl 22:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Sorry 6, what was lost was the better formatted and correct lyrics from the 'Damned' pages that I was copying over to the inferior formatted The Damned pages prior to redirecting 'Damned' ones. I'd formatted every song on The Damned:Damned Damned Damned (1976) and was working my way through The Damned:Strawberries (1982). No worries though, I can find the lyrics elsewhere and I'm glad 'Damned' has been dealt with, thank you.  Ñôīέ2çяȳTalk 23:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

[[The Who:Who's Next (1991)]]

*slaps forehead* Thanks, 6x9. *slaps forehead a second time and then goes to get some acetaminophen.*    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   03:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem :-) Though anyone who is still able to type "acetaminophen" can't be sick enough to actually need it. (Which is why we call it "Paracetamol" instead. People with headaches usually aren't in the mood to be laughed at by apothecarians.) — 6×9 (Talk) 03:31, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Jeff's Blues

Can you check this The Jeff Healey Band? The entire artist page was turned into a single album...Night Owl 19:46, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Akuma

Hey, it looks like all of our problems may be solved. Links from old URL's still seem to work (even old Pink Floyd ID), and look at Pink Floyd:Sysyphus: Part 1. It links to the album without needing the full URL. Oh, and just in case you missed it, it looks like they got (at least most) of their Pink Floyd catalog up (and I'm assuming all of the other broken artists). I think everything works and it's even easier than earlier. --WillMak050389 20:02, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

So I don't need to change the URL scheme in the template… That's great! Thanks! Have you notified Sean? — 6×9 (Talk) 20:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Not yet, but I'll head right over there to notify him. --WillMak050389 20:21, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Does it mean that batch acuma cleaning may be continued without any changes?--Senvaikis (talk) 05:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I think those links with "mp3album" (if there are any left, that is) will have to be changed manually; those with "mp3artist" can be stripped as usually. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Artist Check

this guy? Night Owl 02:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

No relation. — 6×9 (Talk) 03:05, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Just wanted you to dbl check what I dug up on him. I reckoned it should be Six Wüz Nine :) Night Owl 03:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
That's what they wanted to call themselves at first, but there was already a US metal band of that name… — 6×9 (Talk) 03:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Foggy Skies at Amazon

Peek at Sky, click asin: "Stores who can't decide how to diambig their wares". Sky has to become a disambig page... Now, or wait? Night Owl 03:56, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't see a reason to wait… the discussion on the CP is about the opposite case (one artist, many names). The only issue which might arise is, which band is the "biggest" and gets the Sky page? The UK band seems to have been around the longest, while the Canadian band had a few local #1 hits… — 6×9 (Talk) 04:14, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I thought Sky becomes disambig page, then artists pages will be Sky (US), Sky (UK), Sky (CDN), etc. Same situation with Skylark... If what you are saying is true then David Wilcox (US) artist page has to move back to David Wilcox. Night Owl 04:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC) since there are 8 or so bands called Sky, a disambig page should really be at sky, no?
I originally thought the same, but see this archived discussion. End result was that one band got to stay at Blue October, even though it was only "slightly major". I'd think it would make more sense to only do that for really obvious cases (like Genesis – there was supposed to be some really obscure US band of the same name), but… — 6×9 (Talk) 04:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
see Regina, Coma, Heavenly, Dream,Sara,Undercover. Then Torch That was disamiged too severly instead of (NO) & (SV) Night Owl 04:41, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
LW:PN says the "most major" artist gets the unsuffixed page, so the solution you propose would only be valid if the "most major" can't be easily determined. (Though I have to wonder… "most releases" might change eventually – would we have to move everything around again if it does?) — 6×9 (Talk) 15:28, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
In the case of "Genesis", it would ridiculous to move it to Genesis (UK). In the case of 7 examples I give above, it's a toss up as to which is more major than which other. I think that solution was just made up on the spot. There are at least six artists that I have seen so far that the same name is shared by 5 or more artists. As far as I can tell, whichever band is Canadian will be going to Artist (CDN) right? (I don't have access to records sales stats, lol) Night Owl 15:38, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Dunno about made up on the spot… But the policy fails to explain just how major a band has to be to get the primary spot. I agree it's more logical to only do that for really obvious cases like Genesis, which Sky clearly isn't… Just don't be surprised if another admin decides differently and moves some of them back. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:51, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Right now we only have one Artist called Sky. I figured since it's been noticed that a namespace conflict can/will exist, we can take care of disambig based on data available on mb/am/discogs. Otherwise it can be just left alone, as no conflict exists right now. But looking at Regina... Night Owl 16:03, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
The major one gets the namespace works if there are only two bands in conflict, so both pages suffixed and not, will link/cheap disambig to the other, with no actual disambig page. But when we have 3 or more artists of same name, does each artist page link to all the others to disambig? Else if there is going to be a real disambig page, what would you name it?! Night Owl 16:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
If there's more than two, they link to the disambig page, not to each other (using {{WrongPage}}). The disambig page (unless it's the primary page anyway) gets a suffix like "(disambiguation page)" – ugly, I know. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:32, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Artist Page Name Formatting

The name formatting is fairly straight forward, but there's no mention of artist pages containing unusual characters. Case in point: "Sig:Ar:Tyr". Namely the colons between the 'words' - Given colons are used to distinguish the Artist from the songs, what should happen in this case? My apologies if this has been raised previously. Sticky 10:35, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

There are a few characters that can't be used at all in pagenames (#, [, ] and <, see LyricWiki:Page Names#Technical Restrictions). Anything else, including colons, is allowed and should not be replaced. You just have to check the values in Song and SongFooter templates – the software will think that "Sig:Ar" is the artist and "Tyr" the song title, so you'll have to fix those and fLetter manually. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:15, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Should have looked at my watchlist first… I see Night Owl already fielded that one. (I found one misplaced song on Sig, though!) — 6×9 (Talk) 15:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

dbling up

how about cleaning akuma & SFArtist in one go ;) Night Owl 17:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not me you have to tell… though from what I saw, Senv has already trained his Tool to remove SF artist. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:20, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it may be used for that, but so far it was used only for 'known' artists updating. I'd not like to run into undesirable fallouts... Akuma seemed as extremely simple case initially too... ;) So, what's the general rule for artist removal from SF? Remove, if romanizedartist is nothing or empty? But romn artist may be not set though required? Give me strict specification, and I'll include it into the job. cheers,--Senvaikis (talk) 20:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
If artist in SF is same as artist portion of pagename, including capitalisation (beware of multiple colons, as usual), OR if there's an alias parameter in Song template, it can be safely removed. If not, you can either leave it or move it to the alias parameter in Song… leaving it is probably safer, since there might be some that weren't updated after a move. Might be better to do them by hand… — 6×9 (Talk) 20:25, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
In short - "Remove sf/artist if pagename starts with it"?--Senvaikis (talk) 20:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Yep – unless it's something like "Artist" in SF and "Artist (UK)" in PN (which starts with "Artist" as well)… but you probably thought of that. Just making sure. — 6×9 (Talk) 21:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
I think that too strict rule is better than too wide in such cases - so if some pages will be left untouched - it's not a big problem imo. So, if you approve above 'specification', I may include it? --Senvaikis (talk) 21:11, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Agreed, better too strict. Yes, the above specification should cause no problems. — 6×9 (Talk) 21:16, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
My thinking is: a very large number of pages can have their SFartist removed, which will update the language cats by way of the edit Night Owl 01:00, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Pause was made anyway, then maybe albums, having a full link to akuma albums and artists linked to akuma artist, may be cleaned also? Seems that current tl|SF allows that?
Btw, @NO: to put it baldly, haven't catch your idea, sry for my bad English again; could you please make it more clear to heavy minded Senvaikis (talk)? 11:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem, Senv. When a page is edited, it causes an update of categories the page belongs to. After 6 put in the last SF template update, all the lang categories shrunk to a few percent of what they should contain (Category Language English has lost 500,000 pages) So now your edits are updating the language categories. They same can be done with a null edit (by bot) or if Sean runs a certain script on the server. Either of the 3 methods, with the current 600,000+ pages, will take a few weeks. hope that is clear :) Night Owl
Keep in mind that now lwt's walking only over ~35K-sized cat:OSAL...;)--Senvaikis (talk) 13:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
I realize that :) you are working on the old style akuma category. But most song pages need an SF artist edit, which LWT is already trained for. This would mean working on the fLetter categories...Night Owl 15:55, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
@Senv: Artist and album pages should both be safe to clean; I've never seen any variations in these. While there's still a number of song pages to go, though – could you train LWT to clean up multiple akuma links as well? ÜberBot went rather overboard on a couple of pages. (I've seen one with more than ten identical parameters!)
@Owl: Might be best to get Sean to run that script; a bot mostly relies on categories to get to the pages, and when refreshing the categories is the reason to do that in the first place… Actually, depending on how long it takes and how much stress it puts on the system, it might be a good idea to run that script regularly! — 6×9 (Talk) 16:42, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
@ both: You do recall that we had this problem last year too? Aqua had suggested running the update categories script, which essentially just touches (resaves) the pages. pester Sean about it? It seems to become an issue after an update of a complicated and widely used template. BUT! since the song pages need the SFArtist removed, why just touch?! And there is no problem with the fLetter cats, as they are not missing anything, that is one sure way of getting to every song pages without going thru "AllPages", which is how Aqua usually ran his bot Night Owl 17:07, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
@NO: In addition to ÜBot, doubling itunes or akuma, there was another guy, S2E2, doubling SFs... ;)
That was discussed at the time with King, replacing old style External Links with SF. It turned out that some song pages (as your example shows) had both old style external links and a SF :) Night Owl 07:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
And then [1] Über adding SF+akuma to a redirect ;) Night Owl 07:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
@NO: You may leave OSAL albs for lwt...--Senvaikis (talk) 08:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Just beware of a few pages that show in the old akuma category Like This, that shouldn't... Night Owl 08:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
@6: Don't you think that songs having full links to akuma album shouldn't be included into OSAL?--Senvaikis (talk) 08:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

DoneGreen, though some items remain on OSAL:

  • some songs that shouldn't be here as being cleaned; NO mentioned already (maybe cached somehow?)
  • Songs, having full akuma link to album
  • Albums, having full akuma link to artist
  • Albums with akuma link pattern, not corresponding to one used in template (seems they may be cleaned too, just need to check (DoneGreen))
--Senvaikis (talk) 09:15, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
About not detecting old-style album-type links… Options are rather limited until we get a string functions extension. Anyway, now that they can be converted to the new type of links (that work with the regular URL scheme for songs/artists) that shouldn't be a problem anymore. A bigger problem are album pages, because the parameter there uses the old /mp3album/ URL scheme, so they won't work with the new scheme, but changing it over breaks the old links… Waaah! Fortunately there aren't many, so it should be possible to do this by hand. Of course, best solution would be if Sean could get ÜB out of storage and update all links… — 6×9 (Talk) 18:51, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Beer for the orphans

when you have a sec, can you Refresh orphaned list plz. thx. Night Owl 03:45, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Done. — 6×9 (Talk) 03:48, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Thumbnail

I uploaded a new version of Ocean Colour Scene - On The Leyline.jpg but it's thumbnail doesn't seem to appear on Ocean Colour Scene:On The Leyline (2007) or Ocean Colour Scene, how can I correct this? - ezekiel000 14:33, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

It's showing now… Usually this means that you see a cached version, either from LW's cache or your browser's. To force LW to update the page, you can append ?action=purge to the URL in the address bar, or enter edit mode and then save without actually changing the page (it won't show in the edit history). — 6×9 (Talk) 16:27, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Ah right, thanks. - ezekiel000 16:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

check contribs?

[2]. thanks. Night Owl 12:42, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Why are you using two accounts: Echo and Night Owl?  Яєdxx Actions Words 12:47, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Btw, ES's EC looks quite strange - take note of percentage :)--Senvaikis (talk) 17:19, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Mine is the same, % also > 100. I suspect that the per-namespace counts include moves, while the total count doesn't. I checked it with some new-ish users smaller numbers → no calculator needed: One had 60 edits in main namespace, 58 total edits and 1 move. Another had 61 namespace edits, 47 total edits and 7 moves. In both cases: difference = moves * 2 (apparently moves count for both source and target page).
It's not quite as simple, though: A third user (with a lot more edits under his belt) had 28 moves, but the difference was only 50, not 56. I checked deleted contributions, but there were 7 of those, not 6… — 6×9 (Talk) 18:38, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Removing of genre to Glaskas

Hello, why did you remove the genre I added to the page? Do you believe it's incorrect? The page is now listed under the category for pages missing genre information - I am just trying to make pages I care about as complete as possible.Adriaan 21:00, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

There is no "genre" parameter in ArtistHeader, so it didn't do any good. We use the {{Genres}} template instead. I should have moved it there instead of removing it, sorry… Was about to correct that, but Kiefer got there faster. — 6×9 (Talk) 21:08, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I took care of it, because it didn't look like you were on. Edit conflict with the reply too! Dang we fast! :-]    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   21:10, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

AF toon with id

I think you noted this before... Some Artist page itoon are prefixed "id=" (see history of This Heat). Can you detect this for correction? Also note use of Related Bands ;) Night Owl 02:28, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

No way to detect it without string extension, sorry. Category:iTunes/Artist has only < 1,500 members though, so it shouldn't take a bot (or LWT, Senv has really been on a roll lately) too long to go through them. — 6×9 (Talk) 02:38, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
So if Senv/LWT is inclined towards an artist edit: there is asin fix (as per Will's discussion) the itoons id fix, any remaining non templated genres, ....?
asin fix will have to wait until the template is updated. Though, with the job queue at 0 and Kiefer wanting me to restore wp search link, I could do that soon. I think Senv has already pretty much taken care of genre & genre2 in AF, IAFP is down to < 400. — 6×9 (Talk) 03:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
I also meant the [[Category/Genre:foo]] Night Owl 03:15, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Something else that I noticed: MusicBrainz has recently added a new type of page, release group (similar to the new "master" category at discogs). Maybe we could do a similar edit to {{AlbumFooter}} so that we can add "release-group/f618090e-dff4-39d7-8c63-94359e596d7f" and "release/af6d5943-1b91-42bd-90bb-2b7468c5c51e". This is especially useful for multiple disc sets which MB has separate pages for each disc, but they group them together in the release group page. Again, this should be the same fix as discogs a few weeks ago. --WillMak050389 03:18, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
@Owl: Are there still any of those left? [3]
@Will: Contrary to Discogs, MB have release-group pages for all releases (Discogs only have master pages if there's more than one release page), so in theory we could switch over completely… The trouble with the r-g pages is that there's hardly any info there at all, so there wouldn't be much point in linking to them, as users would have to go to one of the release pages anyway. I was going to bring it up on the CP eventually, to see what others think, but I wanted to wait until a few other topics were out of the way. Didn't know that would take so long! — 6×9 (Talk) 03:25, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
@Times: Besides the albums you found, I can only find this:[4]. As for mb, their setup is less functional now, as all tracks by artist can no longer be seen in one list divided by albums \: Night Owl 03:36, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
IAFP = 0 most only needed a 'touch'. Night Owl 10:17, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
Yay! The end of an era! And it looks like Senv saw the bit above about "id=" in AF, since he cleared them out already. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:44, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
We are still having the categories not updating problem (those pages needed touch...AFs were good), your next AF update may bring out some gremlins. Night Owl 15:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
and there are some toons with an extra end bit after itoons, Senv has already noticed it. Night Owl 15:58, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Römànïzéd

Each artist needing romanization needs at least two artist redirects, The native script artist, and the romanized artist. Any way of finding those that have either missing? Night Owl 18:04, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Other than cross-referencing them with Special:ArtistRedirects… none that I can think of. Redirects from native name should exist for almost all such artists though, since that's usually where they were moved from in the first place. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:09, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
That list is mängled and brütal! I think it's simpler to just check each individual artist from certain countries, thought there might be a more elegant solution :) Night Owl 18:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Artists who chose not to decide

itoons=15484238 & itoons=128649182. Which reminds me, is there a provision for two toon links on an artist page, and which page will it be?

(Are you sure that shouldn't be "…who decided not to choose"?) Not really… You could use the relevant code from AF to create a link, i.e.

<div class=plainlinks>[[File:Itunes 16x.gif|link=|iTunes]] iTunes: [http://click.linksynergy.com/fs-bin/stat?id=TAoP0MnvTJY&offerid=78941&type=3&subid=0&tmpid=1826&RD_PARM1=http%253A%252F%252Fphobos.apple.com%252FWebObjects%252FMZStore.woa%252Fwa%252FviewArtist%253Fid%253D<<ID HERE>>%2526partnerId%253D30 '''<<LINK TEXT HERE>>''']</div>

Ugly, ain't it? Or I could make a template {{iTunes/Artist}} if you think it's worth it… Don't have iTunes a link from one to the other? — 6×9 (Talk) 02:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
(That looks like @&%$ :) It would be one of those templates like ProgArchives (seldom used). There is no link on iTunes from one to the other, and each page has unique albums. I have seen other cases (BM/BM&TW). The other odd artist itunes case is for collabs where itoons only supplies an album ID, and it's useless on artist page J.J. Cale & Eric Clapton, on itunes it's listed on both their pages, but if we could use this --> "ids=123853-78347&s=143455"...Night Owl 03:25, 9 June 2009 (UTC) firmly committed to indecision
Note the link above that suddenly turned blue. Have fun with it! Collabs are a pain, aren't they? You could omit the AF parameter and use the new template to link to each artist instead… — 6×9 (Talk) 04:18, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! I also used it on Zappa & The Delfonics. The Mothers works are not on iTunes, btw. Night Owl 04:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

ILP

Should we do something with songs in this Cat or are they managed automatically? thx, --Senvaikis (talk) 09:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Both :-) If a page is in there it means the language is auto-corrected (EN to English etc.) but it's a good idea to enter the proper value anyway, so other users won't get the idea it's acceptable to use the language code or native name. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:08, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

SNLI

see it grow. :) Night Owl 04:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Is Sean running the touch script? C:L/English doesn't seem to grow back though… — 6×9 (Talk) 04:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Sadly no. I'm touching my own stash (gathered the night of the last SF update) Night Owl 04:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Avoiding artist redirects on pages

Is this how I can avoid leaving an artist redirect on the album/song page, while showing the correct variation of artist name? Hope Senv comments too... thanks. Night Owl 13:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Janitor's work list

When you have a minute, Can you tell me us what will happen to this edit and this next one, the next time Janitor comes around to fix Links To Redirects? thanks Night Owl 17:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

As far as I understand it nothing, I thought the Janitor only attaches song pages to artist pages if the song page is not linked to by any artist page (redirect would link a page so wouldn't count as orphaned), sorry if I misunderstood the question. - ezekiel000 17:49, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
(This should answer the topic above as well…) Let's say artist "Sum Guy" (which is also the pagename of his LW artist page) releases an album under the name "Sum Guy & His Poodle". Under the new-though-it-really-has-always-been-that-way policy, that album and its songs will be listed on the "Sum Guy" page, but will be named "Sum Guy & His Poodle:Album Title (Year)" and "Sum Guy & His Poodle". To avoid linking to redirects, the artist parameters in Song and Album templates will have to use "Sum Guy" though (i.e. you have to correct them manually). THEN, to still display the correct artist name instead of "Sum Guy", you have to use the alias parameters in both Song and Album templates. Sounds like a PITA already?
The real disadvantage of this scheme is something else, though: the possibility of making these artist parameters obsolete (except for colonised artists or songs, which could be tagged automatically though) has now gone down the drain, since we can no longer assume that artist namespace of song/album = artist page. All for the sake of keeping pagenames as "correct" as possible, even though in most cases (or most non-English cases, at least) they aren't anyway, 'cause of the caps rule. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
@Ezekiel: Janitor has recently added fixing links to redirects to his joblist. So if, in the above example, you left "Sum Guy & His Poodle" as artist parameter in the Song template, Janitor would eventually change it to "Sum Guy", if the former was a redirect to the latter. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:31, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
@ and janitor will also change the "Sum Guy & His Poodle" redirects left on the artist page to "Sum Guy", correct? Night Owl 19:40, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
here is the relevant bit from Teknomunk on CP:

In particular, I would suggest that #3 was instead:
If an artist's discography is under a wide variety of names, but is essentially the output of a single entity with perhaps minor variations, then it should have one main artist page, with redirects to this page from the various incarnations' pages.

In this case the single entity is Jeff Healey and the variations The Jeff Healey band, Jeff Healey & The Jazz Wizards. Since most of the works were released under the name The Jeff Healey Band, that is the name space, and all variations redirect to it. This is described in the Artist info Box on top of the page. What am I missing? Night Owl 19:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I think I'm the one missing something here… JH&TJW is redirected to The Jeff Healey Band. Albums/songs by JH&TJW are in the JH&TJW "namespace", but have TJHB as artist parameters and are listed on the TJHB page. No links to redirects. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The redirects to JH&TJW on the TJHB page. Night Owl 20:52, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Why should there be redirects to JH&TJW on the TJHB page? If done correctly (according to policy) there'll be links to song & album pages in the JH&TJW namespaces; those won't be redirects, since the actual pages will be in that namespace. (Or, if they currently aren't, they'll be moved there eventually.) — 6×9 (Talk) 20:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
That is exactly what those two edits that I pointed out at the beginning of this discussion, they are the redirects. Is that clearer now? ;) Night Owl 20:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
The new links point to where the song & album pages should be according to policy; if they aren't when Janitor does his rounds, then yes, the links will be reverted. To avoid that, someone will have to move them. — 6×9 (Talk) 21:04, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
In other words, someone will have to move them back to TJHB, and use the alias param in the headers, as i had done. Night Owl 21:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
Er, no. Someone will have to move them to the "correct" artist namespaces (the ones the albums in question were released under) unless they are already there (I didn't want to check every link – some apparently are, some aren't), make sure the artist parameter leads to the TJHB page, and use the alias parameter to fix the display text of the artist link so it doesn't show TJHB. — 6×9 (Talk) 21:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
See the album released as "Van Der Graaf", but in the Van Der Graaf Generator name space and artist page. Is there something wrong there? Night Owl 00:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Possibly. I don't know. I asked on the CP about minor name variations (obviously, no-one in their right minds would use different namespaces for Simon And Garfunkel and Simon & Garfunkel depending on what's on the album cover) and where to draw the line between minor and major name variations, but then the thread was closed by a Senior Admin, so the question will have to remain unanswered forever. In the meantime, all of the links are working, alias parameters are in place, so I don't see an actual problem. — 6×9 (Talk) 01:59, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
And that is my point, There was no problem with TJHB, until someone ddeciode today that something needs to be fixed.Night Owl 03:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Star downgrade

You have downgraded the following songs to bronze:

Sophie Ellis-Bextor:Take Me Home, Sophie Ellis-Bextor:Murder On The Dancefloor, Sophie Ellis-Bextor:Lover, CocoRosie:Watermelon Juice, CocoRosie:This Is The End Of Time‎, CocoRosie:Candy Land

Why? I followed this guide. The first three songs miss only the iTunes link, because it's not applicable (but there's the Amazon one). The next two have not been released on any album / ep / single... And if they don't have the silver star, the artist won't be able to get one, too. The last song meets all the requirements, actually.

Banhurt 19:28, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

I've updated Sophie Ellis-Bextor:Take Me Home with the full song template you need to fill the rest in, I filled in the Credits. - ezekiel000 20:17, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
(Edit conflict, here's my reply anyway…) My bad, sorry. I thought credits were still required for Silver; I must have missed when that was changed. I've reverted the downgrades. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:21, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Hey you!

Yeah you.

Do you want a new best friend? Only I know someone that would like to apply. They haven't quite got all the same qualities as your last one, admittedly. They aren't very technically minded, they are very passionate and they absolutely refuse to be pushed around, bullied or manipulated for which there is a very good reason, qualities that can sometimes give rise to some fractious situations, but they are highly intelligent (though a bit dim witted on occasions), they are a winner in social circles and loved by many. Plus they are almost as good looking as you...

So what do you say?  Яєdxx Actions Words 11:51, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

P.S. This is the abbreviated version. I'll post the longer one if you don't reply. That's not a threat it's a promise ;)

I'd like to apply for the position of vice-best friend.  :-)    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   18:41, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Dunno… I think I'll wait for the longer version before committing myself… — 6×9 (Talk) 18:43, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Okay well it's like this. I miss you when you're not here and I don't like it when we fall out. In fact it makes me a bit sad. It should never have happened. I had a bad toothache. I'd had it for some considerable time and that particular day I'd just about had enough of it. Anyway, the tooth has been extracted now and although the last time I had an extraction a bit of the root was left in and it flared up again within a very short space of time, I'm really not expecting history to repeat itself. I know I shouldn't allow my teeth to affect the work I do on here but I am not a bot I am a human bean and so have many failings. I guess what I'm really trying to say is I have come to think much of you these past months. And I'm sorry.  Яєdxx Actions Words 22:19, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
All right then :-) I know how nasty toothaches can be (I'm sure they'd make even the Dalai Lama want to kick little puppy dogs across the room), so I can't blame you. I'm hopeless with mushy stuff, so I'll leave it at that – believe me, it's better that way.6×9 (Talk) 22:48, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 :-)  Яєdxx Actions Words 23:08, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

[[Captain Beefheart]]

What about his solo album?  Яєdxx Actions Words 03:27, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry..I must've been thinking of one of the other bands.
I know it doesn't seem to apply in this particular case, but I think that in most cases it is still best to retain the primary artist page (e.g. for other projects, collaborative songs, etc) and not make it a redirect (as this wouldn't be appropriate). What's your take on this?  Яєdxx Actions Words 03:38, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Depends… In Beefheart's case it wouldn't make sense to keep the page, since all of his releases were with the Magic Band except for Bluejeans & Moonbeams – most people call that line-up the Tragic Band. Keeping the primary artist page would make sense if there were several projects by the same artist and you couldn't decide on where the redirect should go. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:50, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Estación Victoria

Hola
in Spanish we do not capitalize all the words in a title, only the first word, nor nationalities, only countries, cities etcetera. "Galeón Español" is "Galeón español", "Octubre Rojo" is "Octubre rojo" and so on. Though it is a common mistake for people who's Spanish is heavily influenced by other languages. It is different from English. Your thoughts? Please forgive if this is improper contact, but I am new to lyricwiki. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Elbarriobajero (talkcontribs).

The quick answer is here. — 6×9 (Talk) 23:04, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Song page without lyrics

hi, I've got another question; if I have some infos about a song (like credits, albums in wich it appear, anime/game features, title translation) but don't have it lyrics... should I create a song page for it, without the lyrics? I Don't know what to do, since is a lyric site, and a song page without lyrics nor the instrumental template... I don't found any reference to this question in the helps, thats why I asked. Thanks; wKad 20:07, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

In that case I wouldn't create the page, as an existing page suggests to the user that we do have the lyrics. (I always find it annoying on other lyric sites, when they have links for each song on an album, but when you click on them you just get a page with "no lyrics available yet".)
An exception would be when you don't have the lyrics yet, but plan to transcribe them (or acquire them in some way) in the near future. — 6×9 (Talk) 21:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
I'd not recommend you creating pages with empty lyrics too, though I understand that such page may contain some usefull info. And the main reason - current LW policy recommends deleting such page just because it hasn't lyrics...--Senvaikis (talk) 21:41, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
Got it :) I agree, and the "no lyrics available yet" argument was final; thanks to both; wKad 13:33, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Am I...

...being a good girl ? Яєdxx Actions Words 10:56, 25 June 2009 (UTC) would help more if I understood what he was talking about

Lesson learned: Next time I don't get anywhere with an argument, I'll just leave it to Will. "I liked it much better than the other ones", honestly! Now I'm off to sulk some more. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Haa haa yes I think we will BOTH leave it to Will (aka Mr Cool Head..) My Mum used to always be saying to me (in a very frustrated tone) "You'd try the patience of a Saint!" and at one time I would've agreed. But you know now I'm inclined to think I should tell her that there are in fact a lot worse out there than me..a LOT worse (hee hee) Яєdxx Actions Words 00:12, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
This made me curl up haa haa Mr Cool Head indeed!  Яєdxx Actions Words 00:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Dont peopel lern how to spell propperly anymore? Its a big digrease! And I see our assertive friend has left his mark there as well… — 6×9 (Talk) 00:38, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
If only people could read my tone when they read my words. (both "read" and "read" are spelled correctly there, just for you 6×9). --WillMak050389 00:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Much appreciated. The period should come before the closing parenthesis in the above sentence, though. Unless it's not supposed to be a full sentence, which would explain the lower case "both", but then there should be no period at all. Any nits I forgot to pick? — 6×9 (Talk) 01:07, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Haa haa. I've been watching a great weekend of Glastonbury Festival on the TV. Ok it's not the same as actually being there because I haven't got any mud on my carpets, I've got a clean toilet and I'm not in danger of being woken up suddenly by someone falling onto my tent...and to think I used to actually enjoy all that once!! I must be getting old ;) Neil Young, Springsteen and Crosby, Stills and Nash all gave great sets. Anyway enough of my ramblings..  Яєdxx Actions Words 01:47, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
You could rent a Dixie, to get at least a bit of that special ambiance… — 6×9 (Talk) 19:31, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Now by "Dixie", do you mean Dixie Dansercoer? Or the Southern United States? Only I don't think they come cheap..Or maybe you meant this kind of Dixie? Or perhaps this (looks a bit more spacious) or maybe this Dixie (awww). Oh, here's a short bedtime story for you. It's got pictures and everything ;)  Яєdxx Actions Words 00:12, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Awwww, pictures! Pity I have to scroll past all those words to get to the next one.
I meant neither of the above, more something like this. I see now (after a quick Google search) that they're spelled "Dixi", not "Dixie"… — 6×9 (Talk) 00:21, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I bet there are many people who, like me, are very grateful to Mr Nicholas I. Trahd for kindly uploading the cover art to this Tony Bennett album Honestly...lol  Яєdxx Actions Words 00:42, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Hardly anyone these days under the age of 25 (or 30, even) has the faintest idea what ring wear is, so this picture serves an educational purpose. — 6×9 (Talk) 00:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I resent that. I'm 20 and know what ring wear is. But, I'll admit that I'm the rare exception. Who listens to vinyl anymore these days, other than me and old people? (Haha, it's ok, I don't think you two are that old) --WillMak050389 04:41, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
OldMan
Haa haa. No, I'm certainly not old Will I've even given away my age on here before. And not that age matters any to me because I am old enough to have learnt the true value of friendship and wise enough to know that this is not age related... but seeing as our German friend is keeping this a closely guarded secret, I can only but believe he is of pensionable age. ;)  Яєdxx Actions Words 10:51, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
I know how sensitive women are about their age, so I'll leave you to your illusion that you aren't the oldest person by far on this wiki. Aren't I considerate? — 6×9 (Talk) 15:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Haa haa..  Яєdxx Actions Words 22:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Songs in multiple languages

There has been no recent activity on this thread. Unless somebody has an objection, I'm going to go ahead and update the help pages and start work on pages that follow to reflect the discussion sometime Friday. As you were part of the discussion, I thought I would let you know.
- teknomunk (talk,E,,A) 22:57, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for the notice! — 6×9 (Talk) 23:06, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I wasn't involved in that thread (it was in good hands so I thought I'd leave it to the experts ;)) but I'm glad you are doing that tek as Chris clearly put a lot of thought into it.  Яєdxx Actions Words 00:19, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
Hey..Siiiiixxx...I've been and found you a job. Reckon you could put a few ideas together for us?  Яєdxx Actions Words 00:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Here..what do you think of this?

Check bottom of page..Moonlight You wouldn't even know it wasn't real. So... ?  Яєdxx Actions Words 10:31, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks good. I know this wasn't aimed at me but the icon/picture should be replaced with the Last.fm address bar icon to make it fit with the rest. [5] This one looks the best [6] - ezekiel000 14:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, once it's scaled down to 16×16 it doesn't look too great anymore. I used the one from SongFooter instead.
Why, though? The regular last.fm link leads to the exact same page anyway. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:14, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Mmmm..ok I get where you're coming from, i.e. because Lastfm disambig pages are usually all on one so what's the point? It was just this morning a user had created a manual link on an artist page. That's what got me thinking. Ok. I'll just slip away quietly and launch my lunch at the label ;)  Яєdxx Actions Words 23:29, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Danie Botha

Hi, can you please delete all content related to this man? There are no real lyrics, the songs are made up and the content is very disturbing! All this is in Afrikaans but you can use Google's translator and set it as Dutch to get a rough picture if you don't believe me!198.54.202.194 16:23, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Things like "Poefies And Other Kafoefies" (crap and other sex) and "Hang On My Snake" truly don't belong here! This guy is supposed to be a Christian country singer! LOL!198.54.202.194 16:28, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Whether the lyrics are offensive or not isn't relevant – we don't censor. The question is whether the two albums (and songs) exist at all – if not, they can be deleted, but if they exist, they'll have to stay. I'll ask Adriaan, who's our resident Afrikaans expert.
In the meantime, when you flag a page for deletion, please just add the {{Deletion}} template at the top, don't replace the rest of the content. Thanks! — 6×9 (Talk) 16:36, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
From my research, those items are indeed not real. I placed a note on the page creator's talk page, and if we get a response and they turn out to be by some insane twist real, they can be restored.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   20:51, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

OK You can finish them ;)

Rfl I could feel you breathing down my neck ;)  Яєdxx Actions Words 23:37, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I had to work quickly to properly re-resize as many as possible, else we'd be stuck with those edgy, steppy, aliasy versions :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 23:42, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
You saying my re-sizing was sub-standard Mr 6? What with Ms Red commenting on my artist pics I feel a huff coming on.Did you resize my IrfanView resizes with IrfanView ? Ñôīέ2çяȳTalk 08:01, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
You used IV as well? In that case you might need to switch from "Resize" to "Resample" in the resizing dialog window. (Wasn't that the default setting anyway…?) — 6×9 (Talk) 15:38, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, IV is good ...just checking settings *ahem*  Ñôīέ2çяȳTalk 22:09, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
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