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Multi-Platinum Record The Multi-Platinum Record
6x9, I hereby present you with this Multi-Platinum Record for your work with the badges. Excellent stuff!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 22:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 22:19, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Do you think we should give {{Instrumental}} the same look as those badges? JUST KIDDING! Please put that knife away, Kiefer! — 6x9 (Talk) 22:40, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Question about Tasmin Archer/Archer Tasmin

I just posted a question on Redxx's talk page regarding a song, Halfway To Heaven. It seems Uberbot brought this song to us and below the lyrics some guy has taken credit for typing up the lyrics for whatever lyric site he originally posted it on. The comment at the bottom has his name and e-mail address. I didn't know whether it was proper to delete that or not. Since you changed the name I don't know if he/she will be able to find it to look it over. I personally would consider that bit spam but I thought I'd consult a higher authority. RainbowDragon 00:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

(I saw your post on Red's talk page, but didn't want to steal her thunder by replying…) It's not exactly spam, but really has no place here either, so I'd say remove it. These lyrics were probably transcribed by a fan and originally posted on a fan site or forum, where they got ripped by some of those other lyric sites that are legion, and ÜberBot in turn got it from those. While it might have made sense to add the name and email of the transcriber in the original context, that context is by now hopelessly lost. (Let's wait and see what Red thinks, though…) — 6x9 (Talk) 00:25, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
and of course make sure the footer artist is corrected in the moved/merged songpages. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 05:37, 2 January 2009 (UTC)


I thought I was pushing it when I asked Coop to check spelling, is there a policy on this, or can we point it to everybody who submits essentially what they grabbed from elsewhere without a second look?

Here's ointment for your allergy, lol [1]

∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 05:38, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Nice! I think we should be allowed to expect our users to at least glance over the lyrics to see if there are any big problems (and I'd consider all umlauts missing a big problem). I thought I'd actually read something to this effect somewhere early on when I started here, but I can't find it now… — 6x9 (Talk) 19:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
I don't speak any of them languages except one but certainly seeing "&<whatever>" screams bad lyrics at me, and same with totally missing accents. I've been keeping an eye on many recent german speaking artist songs and running the typo fixes on them. If you see something that needs fix, you can save yourself some hair, if you wish. ;) cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 20:07, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Problem is people who upload lyrics like that are no more likely to read instructions (no matter how nicely we phrase it) asking them to check the lyrics for spelling, etc. than they are to do it in first place.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 22:14, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

I saw you twiddling your thumbs... I thought I'd set you a task. Now, you may or may not like this one, but it would be very worthwhile if you can do it. Now you see it is often the case that there is an article on Wikipedia but it is only a section in the page. Whilst I would normally do the Article name#Section title link...none of the wikipedia links have ever been set up to take account of this on here. If you look at the Bottom of this page, you will see I have created a working link. If you look at the history of that same page you will see how I did it previously. You may even have come across one of my specially formatted song pages like that before (lol).

Can you make this some kind of option, both for artist header and also for other wikipedia links? You know like {{Wikipedia|main article name|option section title|our name}}  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

That was tricky. I had to find out what {{localurl:}} does first. Now I think I've got it: {{User:6 times 9/Sandbox}} should work the same as {{wp}}, but if you add |section or |Type=section AND paste the WP page title as it appears in the address bar (with spaces replaced by underscores), it jumps to the right section. So:
{{User:6 times 9/Sandbox|What's Going On (song)|display title}}
     works the same as {{wp|...|...}}
{{User:6 times 9/Sandbox|What's Going On (song)#Artists Against AIDS Worldwide cover|display title}}
     omits everything after "#", i.e. same result as above
{{User:6 times 9/Sandbox|What's Going On (song)#Artists Against AIDS Worldwide cover|display title|section}}
     doesn't work: produces a link to non-existing WP article "What's" with "Going On ... display title" as text
{{User:6 times 9/Sandbox|What's_Going_On_(song)#Artists_Against_AIDS_Worldwide_cover|display title|section}}
{{User:6 times 9/Sandbox|Article=What's_Going_On_(song)#Artists_Against_AIDS_Worldwide_cover|Title=display title|Type=section}}
     works same as above
{{User:6 times 9/Sandbox|What's_Going_On_(song)#Artists_Against_AIDS_Worldwide_cover|display title|Type=section}}
     works too, though it's not a good idea to mix named with unnamed parameters
{{User:6 times 9/Sandbox|Article=What's_Going_On_(song)#Artists_Against_AIDS_Worldwide_cover|Title=display title|section}}
     doesn't work (told you so)
Now go and spend a few minutes imagining in great detail the myriad ways the average user could do this wrong, and then come back and tell me whether you still think it's a good idea. ;-) — 6x9 (Talk) 03:32, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Hee hee...I'll sleep on it ;). Gute Nacht mein Freund.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 05:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC) P.S. Thank you. And have you clocked my new pics (rfl) and my redisgned user page yet? I don't think it's quite there yet...I'm sure there's still a few pixels of room left for yet more wondrous and amazing stufff....
Well I slept on it and I'm sorry to say that I still think it's absolutely great. It don't look that complicated to me for a user to get wrong...although (hee hee). We could always keep it a secret if you prefer (we'll let Will on it though) ;) Now if you will kindly move your hard earned efforts to Template mainspace I will be able to test it out on that page. Thank you very much kind Sir!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 22:47, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm afraid you won't – {{wp}} requires a third parameter to link to sections, but {{ArtistHeader}} only calls it with the first two parameters. I *could* add an optional wplink=section parameter to AH, but I'd rather not make it more complicated than it already is, just for the two or three artist pages that might actually need it. (You can use {{wp}} inside {{AInfo}} instead…) — 6x9 (Talk) 23:02, 4 January 2009 (UTC)


I've been meddling again. And I know you're scratching your head wondering what your task for today is...welll..after looking at this, it is to sort the right hand side border out...Give it some room, so it doesn't extend into TOC. I just couldn't figure where to do it keeping with existing formatting. (I did try - lol). When you've done it I'll thank you ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 20:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

And well yes you did get to make a table and I will also agree that that page does look much better, but what I actually meant was can you apply correction to the actual Template:HelpIndex?  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 22:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
That's actually what I suspected. But if I add a margin-left to the template, it will look stupid on those pages where you put the shortcut template between the TOC and the index, because then the margin will be between the shortcut and the index. — 6x9 (Talk) 23:02, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
Can't you shove it over to the right a bit and shorten the gap between the two columns a tad?  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:10, 5 January 2009 (UTC) P.S. I didn't put the shortcut template on pages.
I reduced the width slightly (30 → 28em) and rearranged a few things; that's about all I can do. (It's even possible that it's now too narrow; depending on browser and font family, the head line might wrap on some screens.) Specifying column width percentages doesn't really help because the best values are chosen automatically. — 6x9 (Talk) 02:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

RE: Wot?

Understood, thanks ;) --Crisneda 00:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Pink Floyd, as if comments from me would be about much else...

I recently edited their page, changing the years on the members. I have come to realize that you were the editor that placed 2007 as the effective end of Pink Floyd and just wanted to hear your thoughts about it. A few of us are currently having a discussion on my talk page here. I'd love to hear your input on the issue. Thanks! --WillMak050389 21:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

End??? Of The Floyd??? Noooo way...  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 23:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

When you've finished that...

...can you have a think about making a template to assist with this recurring problem?  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 23:25, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Words fail me! Thank you. I'm just hoping that it's not showing due to caching. If it works for Senv (i.e. he can see the tracks, etc.), is there an option to re-number the tracks manually for when this is needed (i.e. a track omitted from original album on reissue)? This is what I always used to do:
{{H4Fake|CD (Reissue) Bonus Tracks}}
<OL START=11> 
YAY! I got it to work! Looks like the API only recognises lines starting with "#", so I had to change the parameter names… (Lucky "#" is allowed at all!) The number of the first bonus track is specified by the "nr" parameter.
"And now for something completely different..." (lol I can even hear the music..). Remind me..did I ever ask you about incorporatimng an official site link fointo {{Collaboration}}? I have looked back but can't find anything but I'm sure I must have done..  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 03:04, 7 January 2009 (UTC) I'm considering letting you have the day off tomorrow ;)
"fointo"? Yes, you already asked me, I included it, and you even thanked me :-) It's even listed in the template documentation, but I suppose someone at your level of perfection can't be bothered with such trivialities… Speaking of trivialitites – I'm wondering why no-one has thought of this before… not even Echo, who seems to have declared war on HTML tags…6x9 (Talk) 03:24, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah Ok I deserved that ;). On both counts..and yes I did see my typo but I thought if I edited my posts anymore tonight I'm going to get banned for an "indefinite period" (hee hee). I have a sneaking suspicion that some of my err..."activities" (bad habits) like the times I have to correct my posts/edits because of typos, not filling in the edit summary, etc. are overlooked because I make up for it in other ways...That having been said I feel I must be treading a fine line..;) Nah...they love me really, there's always a few exceptions of course...well I am pretty damn scary and I am a woman and in some people's eyes I have come to accept that the two simply don't mix ;) Anyway you will note that I have updated the Help page on artist formatting and soon I'm off to my bed. Thank you again for all your help. We shall just have to see what Senv makes of it tommorrow. Whatever, even if it doesn't work out he will be glad you tried. Guten Nacht.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 03:50, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

Pink Floyd User Group

Hey, I've noticed you have an interest in Pink Floyd, and seeing the amount of users that like them plus the fact that I'm a fanatic, I've created a LW user group for them at LyricWiki:Pink Floyd. I think we could have a really active group there and I'm formally inviting you because of your edits in their direction. Feel free to recruit others also! Thanks for considering it and hope to see you on the dark side (of the moon that is). --WillMak050389 22:44, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm in! (Even though it feels like an injustice to the many other bands/artists I love equally, if not more…) — 6x9 (Talk) 00:51, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
And your first job is...Nah, only joking. I don't think I dare set you any more least not until 1am next Wednesday week ;). Sorry X  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC) P.S. Now don't laugh...but I very nearly put an Artist Header on your talk page...! Rfl.
S'ok. Now that you all decided you didn't need my shiny new bonus track template after all (*sniff*), I found an instance where it *is* useful: namely, this. (I haven't found any other way of having three headers which all look the same and consecutive numbers.)
An ArtistHeader? Hmmmm… You know country already, officialSite would be my user page, but what about wikipedia? Oh, right, probably this one. — 6x9 (Talk) 01:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Well I believe I'm experienced enough at this editing lark (despite having no computer or programmer training) to understand how to complete it. And it doesn't contain html. And it doesn't break the api, so it's certainly a much better way of doing numbered bonus tracks than what I do at present, so I'm going to use it. I think Senv might be wanting to use it too, from what he says (though I accept his comment could be taken another way). But if you don't want to use the template you made it's up to you ;) And if it doesn't get moved to template mainspace I'll simply come along and nick it! They can hang me if they want (lol).  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC) P.S. You mean you've never had the bad experience of editing on Wikipedia ??? Try it some time. I wouldn't recommend it ;)
Ah, I misunderstood. I thought with "using 6x9's" you meant my preferred method of using <br/>. Anyway, here it is: {{OL}}. — 6x9 (Talk) 01:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Not quite, I was referring to you using your template skills to amend the size of the Pink Floyd userbox and the colour so my poor old eyes can read it. But I may beat you to it...I think I can just about manage that ;) Happy editing!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 11:16, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Looks like Will beat you to it. I did some editing on WP, just not as registered user. Mostly small fixes, so I haven't had my head torn off yet.6x9 (Talk) 21:19, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Cyrillic & Greek Artists

Hi 6

I was trying unsuccessfully to flatten those categories so that all the artists would show directly in the category without any subcategories. Any chance you can show me an example of how to do this? cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 22:22, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

You mean so that Μιχάλης Χατζηγιάννης, for example, would show in Category:Artists Greek Alphabet, and not in Category:Artists Μ? To do that, you'd have to edit the artist pages and change fLetter to "Cyrillic", "Hebrew", "Greek" etc. (I suppose for the sake of consistency "Artists Greek" would be better than the current "Artists Greek Alphabet".) — 6x9 (Talk) 22:29, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
I tried that, but the problem is that if I take that approach we can't use the literal "fLetter" of the artist. Is it possible to get the same result (flattening Greek and Cyrillic and later Hebrew, Persian/Arabic etc.) while retaining the literal fLetter in artist footer.
How does lw know to diffrentiate between greek "M" and English "M"? Tia, tia tia. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 23:23, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
Since redirects don't work with categories (i.e. a page in a redirected category doesn't magically appear in the category it's redirected to), the only way to achieve that would be adding a {{#switch:}} function for *each* Greek, Cyrillic, Hebrew, Arabic… letter to {{ArtistFooter}}, which would make the template hugely more complex. Maybe there's an extension to Mediawiki to allow aliases for categories (that would be *very* useful for labels & genres as well)… you'd have to ask Aquatiki. Until then, "fLetter = Greek" etc. is still our best option.
(M and Μ are actually different characters – depending on the font they even look slightly different: ΜM) — 6x9 (Talk) 00:42, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Given that Cyrillic, Greek, Arabic etc. artists can be found/accessed via Artist Hometown, how about changing Cyrillic etc. artist names to ArtistRomanizedName(ArtistCyrillicName)? Then use the English fLetter of the Artist in {{ArtistFooter}}? (as we do with Japanese, Chinese)? Until SMW arrives...
btw, if you add up all the starred (unrated/black, violet, green gold etc.) artists, there are nearly 20,000 artists totally missing... ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 01:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
You'll have to ask Teknomunk (or on the admin portal), I'm out of my depth there… As for page counts – I don't think they can be explained with any current mathematical model. Maybe with Bistromathics… — 6x9 (Talk) 02:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Funny I was trying to do a similar thing earlier, with labels, as mostly people just put "Decca" EMI" etc. and we end up with a lot of dead links. But of course there are categories for them, the only problem is that someone in their wisdom thought it would be a great idea to add "Records" to the end of every label :( So the solution to my problem is...?  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 03:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that Wikipedia slaps "…Records" on almost every label (like Polydor, where I couldn't find "Polydor Records" anywhere on any LP or CD I looked at). So in this instance our usual policy of "Ask Aunt 'Pedia" backfired. Solution? Pester Sean about Semantic until he gives in :-) — 6x9 (Talk) 03:06, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
They don't on the artist's page though..and I'm a great lover of the old "copy and paste". Aah well.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 03:42, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Red Can you give an example artist page? and asking you both: and what abot explict genre at artist pages like:[[Category:Genre/whatever]] ? ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 03:47, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
I think Red was referring to artist pages on Wikipedia – see Soft Machine for example. The infobox lists as labels: ABC Probe (linking to ABC Records and Probe Records), Columbia (linking to Columbia Records) etc. Not sure what you mean with explicit genre – something like {{Genres}}? — 6x9 (Talk) 03:53, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
6 : look at the bottom of La Mafia, on Red's Query: Im sorry I thought Red was talking about artist pages here and how label info was entered ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 04:03, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm still not sure what you mean… Do you want to list genres in a subsection on the artist page, not just hidden among all the other categories? That's what {{Genres}} does. The discography on La Mafia is backwards, BTW…6x9 (Talk) 04:09, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Yep, That's what I mean, there are lots of artist pages with genre enterd like that (obsolete form, I suppose)... not counting the 20,000 artist pages we haven't seen (lol), long ago KingNee mentioned to me that having explicit categories (like La mafia's genre's) and proper categories as your {tl|Genre or genre in artist footer can cause problems, so the obsolete form as La Mafia needs correction (I'll fix up the backwards disco) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 04:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Dir En Grey

last night I noticed some of them need SongFooter correction as well, the bot is ready, just say the word. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 03:28, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

You don't need me to give you permission :-) I just undid this IP's edits because (1) he replaced the pages' contents with deletion requests, (2) he stated that the correct pages existed, but not *where*, and (3) all of them were created by ÜberBot and should be redirected (not by me, though, because half of the song titles appear on my screen as strings of rectangles). — 6x9 (Talk) 04:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

Album Art display

this one is so obvious, I'm surprised I've never seen it b4, [2] click on any of the album covers on top ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 01:24, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Do you go to those sites often Echo? ;) Yeah sure is cool. I haven't come across that before..  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:43, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Never until the past couple of days, lol. I was digging up the English name of 뜨거운 감자 (Hot Potato), it's all part of the fLetter thing. Hoping to finish putting proper Artist headers and fLetters for all the "non roman language" artists at lw. Lack of language @ song & home country @ artist is A Bad Thing™.
LW can distinguish itself all over the world (not just to us English speakers) with a lil bit more meta data ;) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 02:12, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Neat! Haven't seen that before. Thanks! — 6x9 (Talk) 02:29, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the spam clean up

Hey 6x9,

I left a note on Redxx's talk page but it's obsolete now. I was letting her know of the spam you've reverted. Also, I tried to leave a note on Sean's spam report page but it was blocked by the spam filter because a header was triggering it. The header I'm talking about sounds lik Thanks,    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   00:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Heh. Looks like you posted here the same moment I answered your post on Red's talk page :-) I had the same problem with Sean's spam page once and left the message on his regular talk page instead… looks like he still hasn't fixed this. I'll try to make him. — 6x9 (Talk) 00:29, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks guys. I was Faithfull Marianne-ing with Senv (hee hee) but I've had enough now and I've caught up. I protected the category page from unregistered users but didn't deal with IP. The block template wording isn't appropriate. We really need to redo that for cases such as this where it is so obvious it isn't an innocent mistake. Anyway thanks again both of you for your attentiveness!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 00:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC) EDIT: Rfl@"I'll try and make him". Well you do have a certain way about you 6x9 I'll give you that... ;)
Mission accomplished though... Sean cleaned up that page. 6 does what he sets out to do, Red. RainbowDragon starts singing to himself and he's got...    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   01:31, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Now I don't know whether to feel flattered or insulted. If those were supposed to be compliments, you'll both need lots of practice. Just as long as you don't practice on my talk page… — 6x9 (Talk) 01:46, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Hee hee...Yes but it isn't... No, I won't! See, I can restrain myself sometimes ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:16, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

New Feature

Bill Withers:Ain't No Sunshine (Live)...And of course you know what this proves don't you? That I am in actual fact much more cleverer than you...seeing as I've never had any training in thingamejobs ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC) EDIT: Find fault if you dare ;)

Well, if you insist… (1) You could have saved users of this template a lot of typing by using numbered instead of named parameters. (2) You could have saved them even more typing by making the artist parameter optional, since in most cases it can be gathered from the pagename. (Dunno what you mean with training… I didn't have any either… I learned most everything by working on ArtistHeader.)
And you obviously *still* haven't got the hang of category sorting… [[Category:Templates|L]]??? Does the L stand for lazy? :-)
Unless, of course, you didn't mean the live template at all, but the SongFooter, where you very cleverly didn't correct the song and fLetter parameters *tee hee* — 6x9 (Talk) 01:34, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
any insufficiently advanced attempt is indistinguishable from..... ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 01:42, 15 January 2009 (UTC) ducking & running
OK Ok so "Could do better" huh? Well go on then clever clogs...what you waitin' for? (You can ignore the lyrics;p) Show me how it's done! (You don't have to tonight of course...) ;) ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:31, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
And yes I did know all that of course and if you look at history (it may be in my Sandbox/Live) you'll see I tried (desperately) (and for blinkin' ages) but I couldn't quite figure how to get the numbered thing to work, nor to take artist from pagename/be optional parameter for when required, etc. Ergo my question a few hours back on magic words ;) But I confess I don't know what you mean above by "didn't correct the song and fLetter parameters". I tried it all ways.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, when I visited the page above after you left your message here, it still said SONG and SONGFLETTER in the Footer, but I see you've corrected it since.
The numbered thing is really simple: {{{1}}} is the argument after the first pipe, and so on. So in {{Genres|Pop|Bop}} {{{1}}} would be Pop and {{{2}}} would be Bop. In your template {{{1}}} would be the song title and {{{2}}} the artist; now {{{2|{{ARTIST}}}}} would normally take the second parameter, but if that is left blank, it would take what's after the pipe instead, in this case {{ARTIST}}. So, if you did it correctly, on the Bill Withers page {{Live Lyrics|Ain't No Sunshine|Bill Withers}} and {{Live Lyrics|Ain't No Sunshine}} would both produce the same result. Go on and try it out – you know you want to :-) Errr... Nivea???6x9 (Talk) 03:41, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for that, I really appreciate it (even tho I'm too tired atm to correct it) Rfl@Nivea..I never knew that! It's good stuff! But personally I'm more of a "Oil of Olaz" girl ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 04:29, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


You know how excellent you are at template creation...and how bad I am? Well how come MY AllMusic template defaults to the search page and YOUR Prog Rock template goes all weird? ;p  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:20, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, right, because that's totally the template's fault and not the site's. Of course, back then I hardly knew anything about templates; nor could I foresee that a certain admin would be too lazy to look up the ID and simply insert a blank template instead, or I'd have added a warning text. — 6x9 (Talk) 02:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Anyway, now both ProgArchives templates are Red-proof :-) — 6x9 (Talk) 02:51, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
My ploy worked then ;) (thank's for the best). And you know I still haven't quite figured you out. Ok I sussed where you live, but I'm not convinced that you were born there, or that there isn't a strong Brit connection somewhere in your past. And you should know that I'm not normally wrong ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 03:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
…just abnormally wrong then? Don't tell me you didn't expect that! Well, I spent a few months as an exchange student in Edinburgh (one more thing to add to your growing "Facts about 6x9" file), but I don't think that experience radically changed me… Maybe it's that I'm spending a lot of time on the internet (which is mostly English-speaking, or at least some more-or-less-close approximation to English), that I prefer to read books by US/UK authors in their original language rather than put up with the garbled nonsense that some people optimistically call translations, and that I'm a fan of Douglas Adams and Monty Python, which must have warped my sense of humour even more. — 6x9 (Talk) 03:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Prog Archives still doesn't go to main page i.e. for searching I thought you'd made it Redproof...? And any way of changing AllMusic one so that it only gets categorised in AllMusic Artists, etc. if a code has been inserted...(yes because I'm lazy..)(occasionally)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 16:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
It's Redproof in that it produces an error message instead of a link when you leave the first parameter blank. Whether it leads you to a search page or a 404 when you insert the wrong code isn't up to the template, but to ProgArchives. (You can try to pester them to default to a search page, if you like…) I'll change it to provide a link to main page in the error message, though.
I really see no point in removing the categories, because the whole raison d'être of these templates is to provide a link to the artist's/album's/song's page, and if you don't provide that link (by means of inserting the relevant part into the template) there's no point in putting them on the page in the first place… — 6x9 (Talk) 16:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Yeah Okay okay. But as for "no point" I disagree. I have always wanted AllMusic to be incorporated into the external links section for searching sites (like Discogs, LastFM, Foxy Tunes, etc.) but I think I was told it couldn't be done because it was too complicated. But with the addition of my template users CAN search for it. Themselves ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Magic, The sufficiently indistinguishable kind

yes, fLetter magic... what I had in mind was not a massive table encompassing the entire Unicode plane, but a rather simpler one based on range... like so; we check the object name (artist/album/song), if fLetter is in the normal latin range, use it for fLetter as is, If it is in Chinese range, Greek, Hebrew, Klingon, then insert "Chinese", "Greek", "Klingon" instead of fLetter (instead of the current brain dead Symbol).

The current setup of allowing contributors to enter fLetter has this disadvantage: go to the bottom of Category:Songs K and look at them songs with chinese/Japnese names that are there, why are they there? because the name starts with the "K" sound...., those will be fixed by bot. makes sense? ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 04:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately I don't see how that range thing could be done with a template. To do that I'd need to get the *actual* first character of artist/album/song (the fLetter magic words are useless for this task because everything non-Latin will be returned as "Symbol") AND convert this character to its decimal or hex value. It would be far simpler to get Teknomunk or Sean to fix the magic words.
At least, when we update SongFooter and Album templates to sort the Songs X and Albums X categories by song and album name, pages that don't belong in a category will be very easy to find because they will appear either at the very top or at the very end (as is the case with artist pages already). — 6x9 (Talk) 05:47, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

New Feature (No.2) !!

...It took me all of 5 minutes and it worked first attempt *thinks* don't know what all the fuss is about...piece of cake.. "Needs must where the devil drives" they say ;) Not that I'm in league with Lucifer you understand.
Ok well now I've done all the hard work, I'll leave it to you to incorporate into {{WP-Song}}. It goes without saying I could do it but I've got to wash my hair.
And thank you for the above. I know there's more to add to my 6x9 dossier, but for now I'll settle with the Brit connection as being due to your Pythonesque sense of humour. I'm a big fan too. Ministry of Silly Walks Rflmao..that sketch gets me every time. You're right about translations too. My 12 year old daughter is still somewhat infatuated with Bill Kaulitz and prefers the German version albums to the English for the same reason. Obviously I have to get her both...(plus the Tokio Hotel bag [for school], the Tokio Hotel backpack, the Tokio Hotel posters, the Tokio Hotel calender,..etc.) Wird es regnen? Rfl And the point of that link? Never take dating advice from Wiktionary!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 11:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Supper's Ready

Genesis:Supper's Ready is 45KB. you think it's ok to trim down the trivia section? ;) cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 23:03, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Uh-oh. I've seen the edits of course (it's on my watchlist), but I hadn't looked at the size… I'll get to it. A subpage "./Annotated" might be the best solution. — 6x9 (Talk) 23:10, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

A couple thoughts

Hey there, 6 times 9 -

Firstly, I wanted to say that I liked your ideas on the song ranks. I think if we went: Red, Green, Bronze, Silver (with watcher) and Gold (with watcher) as you mentioned, things would be much better.

Second, I feel bad, like perhaps I'm the one to blame for the anger amongst certain admins. All I want is what is best for LW and our community of editors. I personally feel like lyric accuracy should come first and foremost above all other song considerations. Thanks,    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   14:51, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your concern! You really shouldn't feel bad – good ideas are always welcome, and are the reason why we have a community portal in the first place. Many people (including me) seem to be not quite happy with the current ranking system, but if no-one ever said anything about it, it wouldn't get changed. That the discussion got kind of heated (to put it mildly) is hardly your fault. Please don't let that stop you from posting your thoughts in the future. (And yes, lyrics should always come first. Maybe us admins need to be reminded of that more often…) Thanks! — 6x9 (Talk) 15:52, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
You are not in any way to blame RD, no way! We are all individuals and we each have different personalities. Sometimes these show through in our posts and sometimes these conflict. We are what we are and just as outside the box it's unrealistic to think that we will always see eye to eye, or get along with all our "work" colleagues. So sometimes things do get a little emotional, yes. It can't be helped. But hopefully we are all mature enough to accept that and move on. But thank you for your consideration. X  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 15:58, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
As the admin who invented Page Rank, I can tell you that you did the right thing. I already knew that anything I put on a wiki would be subject to revision, and that I never have all the ideas. Please keep coming with your thoughts and never be afraid to ruffle feathers! Think different! --Åqüã†ìкí ƒΔΣ 11:48, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Aqua X  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 16:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I could've sworn I put a header on this post

Music News/Submissions & Music News/Current..I could do with your magic touch ;) No urgency. I can't align TOC with pretty blue box. Not on either page :( If you see any other improvements you feel you could make along the way feel free. I can always revert ;) Thank you!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 03:08, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

A table *and* divs is rather excessive, don't you think? Anyway, if you specify the absolute widths for both the left and the right floating item, you'd better make sure they don't add up to more than fits on the screen at low resolutions… (It's better to use percentages.) — 6x9 (Talk) 03:27, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Well I don't know what I'm doing so how do I know? Divs,'s all double dutch to me ;) You really don't want to know how long I tried to get it right ;) I know I should've come knocking sooner but I really didn't want to bother you. Anyhow thank you! I'm very grateful (these things do frustrate me at times).  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 03:46, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
P.S. When I see you I'll buy you a bier...but at this rate it won't be a stein it will be a barrel (lol).
The pages look great! Thank you to you both    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   16:16, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


you saw my bot going at wrap speed and messed with da queue?? lol so far all's going well... good job 6. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 08:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

ummm, see here Wide Mouth Mason, is the blue star there intentionally? Green Star placement is ok.....but not Blue... ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 08:27, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
So that was you :-) The moment I hit "save" on the first template (Star) the site froze. Ah well, it's done now. Job queue = 972,928, wahey! Now waiting for folks to come out of the woods and tell me what I might have added…
The blue star appears (on my screen anyway) where it should, and at the exact same place that the green star does when I change the colour and hit preview. Do you see the same problem on other pages? The star template treats all colours (other than black) equally, and StarIconBlue.png & Green are both the exact same size, so I don't know what might be causing it… — 6x9 (Talk) 08:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
((Image:Star_Placement.png|20px)) (in browse mode), but in preview it's in the right place?! Job Queue is at 1.2 mil and still going up, but all is smooth. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 09:03, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Ah, now I see. I removed the "clear:right" bit from the star template to easily allow text in album and song templates to be on the same level. I just added a clear to ArtistHeader and Collaboration, so they should both be fine now, regardless of browser. — 6x9 (Talk) 09:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Nope, still same: Artist in preview mode is as should be, in browse mode overlaps the box, collab is fine as it should be in both modes, Red's gonna have a fit if she sees what I see! ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 09:22, 20 January 2009 (UTC) you want another screen shot?
Have you tried purging the page in question? — 6x9 (Talk) 09:26, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, no change (multiple purges), that was all in FireFox. I also just tried in Safari, If I am not logged in, it's ok, when I log in as User, any artist page star is messed up! I wonder if the ringtone cr*p has anything to do with it? Had you compensated for ringtone in the past? is that even necessary? leave it alone till you hear from others? ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 09:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
In FireFox, Logged in or not, it's messed up ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 09:35, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
You *have* done a remote purge, right? (That "?action=purge" thing, or alternatively hitting edit mode and then saving, with or without changing anything.) If not, see here for a purged page – still messed up? — 6x9 (Talk) 09:39, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
I did Command Reload (forces a refresh & fetches a fresh copy) and I also tried your link, no go! You are not seeing the same problem that I see, do you?! ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 09:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Mea culpa, mea culpa! I made a silly typo in ArtistHeader, but not in Collaboration, which must be why the latter works and the former doesn't. Now it should be fixed. Try again, please? *drops on knees and prays* — 6x9 (Talk) 09:48, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

You da man! (Cranks up Joe Satriani!) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 09:50, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Multi-Platinum Record The Multi-Platinum Record
6x9, I hereby present you with this Multi-Platinum Record for far too many things to mention but in the past hour let's say this Me happy. Thank you X  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 12:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Rainbow:Since You Been Gone We'll be able to paint the sky soon ;) Don't amend though as of course this will be sorted with new multiple parameter. Well I think it will.... It will, won't it?  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 15:48, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! Dunno why it looks like that… but eventually all multiple song templates will be done away with anyway. (If you add a simple line break between the templates – no <br/>, just hit return – they both appear as they should… odd.)
PS. Look at that Marianne Faithfull song again, also in edit mode… — 6x9 (Talk) 23:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
In the words of Echo - You da man! <yes but Echo you da bot-man!> Rflmao@ "Red's gonna have a fit if she sees what I see!" I believe we may be reaching the point of understanding ES ;) I think it was for exactly that reason 6 was praying (hee hee).  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 23:57, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps a silly suggestion

I'm the type of guy that likes consistency and uniformity. I've noticed that the artist header is aptly called ArtistHeader but the artist footer is just called artist. Could we rename that to ArtistFooter? Just a thought... Thanks,    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   16:34, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Both Song- and AlbumFooter were done several months after Song, Album and Artist; so I suppose at the time no-one thought of giving the latter a consistent title. It *can* be done of course – redirects work for templates as well. (And you're not the only one who'd prefer consistency in this case.) There are some changes that should be made to Artist, though, and some of these will only be possible with Semantic (not doubling any information that's already in ArtistHeader), so I think we'd better wait until we can do all of it in one fell swoop.
Of course, then, once Artist is changed to ArtistFooter on all pages, we can rename ArtistHeader to Artist and be really consistent. But that's a long way off… — 6x9 (Talk) 23:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Okay then. Well, thanks for hearing me out. How much longer before we get SMW?    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   23:46, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Ah, for that you'll have to ask Sean. You'll be one of the very few people who haven't pestered him about SMW yet, so he might even give you an answer :-) — 6x9 (Talk) 23:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes agreed not a silly question RD and something that I believe will be changed like 6x9 says at some point in the future. Before we had ArtistHeader we only had one artist template on page, i.e. {{Artist}}. That's why it wasn't called footer. But I always refer to Artist footer as Artist footer because of course that's exactly what it is!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 00:05, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I know you're tired....

...(please get some rest) but I do hope you are following me. I wasn't sure about Blue rank on Help page, and I also believe that type=compilation may still not be working on Song template.

These, the additional parameters I added to the Song Footer examples on Help page, and the PR parameter I added to the examples on Song documentation are the only things you really need to check/consider/moan off at me about ;) But look at it tomorrow.

Good work on song and footer btw >>> one I did earlier. The only thing I think people might be a little upset about is the margin on Song. On reflection, don't you think that it would actually have been better as I suggested, i.e. with that vast expanse of ugly white space? Because of course now we've not got a star intruding on album/featured artist's names for me to complain about, we got a vast expanse of ugly white space instead! I know, I know, some people are never happy ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 05:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

We should wait with documentation about Blue until we decide that we're actually going to use it. Right now, it looks like the tide has turned… Poor Aqua. Otherwise, what I've seen on the help pages looks good.
I don't know where you get the idea that type=compilation isn't working. See:
{{Song|Egg (1970)|Egg|star=Blue}}
{{Song|Egg (1970)|Egg|star=Blue|type=compilation}}
The second one is with type=compilation, the first one without. Notice the different link colours? Notice why they're different? And just in case you're harbouring any doubts about the other types…
{{Song|Egg (1970)|Egg|star=Blue|type=film}}
{{Song|Egg (1970)|Egg|star=Blue|type=single}}
{{Song|Egg (1970)|Egg|star=Blue|type=soundtrack|addtext=, which was never released because no-one went to see the movie anyway}}
As for the margin… no matter how big or small you make it, it would always look crappy on some pages. Without it it might look better on this particular page, but on another with a slightly longer text it would still cause the last word to be wrapped. — 6x9 (Talk) 06:25, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Someone must've fixed compilation without me knowing ;) Honest, it never used to work (here too).  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 17:07, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Considering that I made a list of the required changes on Aqua's talk page before getting to work (which you obviously saw, since you replied), and considering that the compilation bit was one of the things I said I'd fix, but you still didn't believe it until you saw it for yourself, I think I will now go and sulk. — 6x9 (Talk) 17:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I AM very behind with my watchlist...I just get so...well...distracted. Have you seen my new Archive pages yet? (I haven't finished adding topics from the TOC's) And the new feature I added {{ArchNav}}? I am very grateful to you for fixing compilation paramater. You don't know how much that has bugged me, i.e. having to use the soundtrack parameter when it wasn't a soundtrack.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Not bad for a start ;-) The width of the Archive Index forces it below the image, though; you'd best remove the "width=60%" bit (maybe increase horizontal padding instead) and let the table choose optimal width. {{ArchNav}} is neat; but why do you have a name *and* a talk parameter, when they point to the same page anyway? I can't think of a scenario where they wouldn't… — 6x9 (Talk) 21:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I did want the TOC to be better positioned. I'm learning though...slowly... You can always wave your magic wand over it (not that I'm saying I think you're a fairy or anything...rfl). You are da man after all.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 23:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC) P.S. It's too late to return to relative obscurity - you have shown yourself in your true colours now. To all of us ;)
I've fixed the duplicate link now in {{ArchNav}}. I've also updated my own pages with it (I forgot to amend tremplate name on my own pages when I moved template into mainspace - lol)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 09:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)


The Stunningly Stellar S*** Kicking Star-o-Meter is something I have always wanted, for language and hometown, now i have something as a starting point, great job! ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 18:49, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Tam Ca Áo Trắng

I think the problem with that page, is actually the artist name, I think the "Áo" bit is wrong, but I couldn't find what it should be.... ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 18:52, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Guess I should have checked that first… but Google seems to think it's correct. The second link from the top appears to be a Vietnamese website, and I think they would know about these things… See also this former Wikipedia article (now deleted, by the looks of it). — 6x9 (Talk) 19:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
yesss... ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 19:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Songs Cyrillic Subcategories

We don't need those subcats, do we? I want to send the bot to change their fLetter, so they can all fall in the topcat, what you think? ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 22:22, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Personally I'm all for doing away with the subcats, but maybe we should see what the other admins think about it first? I'm also wondering whether we should keep all those subcats for accented Latin letters (ä, ç, é, î… that sort of stuff), put them all in Artists/Songs/Albums Accented, or add them to the "unaccented" letters (ä → a, ç → c and so on). (My preferred option would be Cat:xxxxs Accented.) — 6x9 (Talk) 22:33, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Good Job

That was stunningly stellar! --Åqüã†ìкí ƒΔΣ 00:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! (Even though it looked kinda silly until I fixed the column widths…) — 6x9 (Talk) 01:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
What was stunningly stellar? Did I blink and miss something? lol  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 20:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
See LW:PR and scroll down a bit… — 6x9 (Talk) 20:46, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
You're just showing off now ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC) Great idea!!

External links on song page

I was wondering something. How much work would be involved in having the external links in a song page display in alphabetical order?    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   15:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Basically it would just mean re-ordering the various <div>s in {{SongFooter}}. Unfortunately five of these (Musicbrainz, Discogs, last.FM, FoxyTunes & HypeMachine) have been moved to an external template (because they all accept mostly the same search parameters and it was a lot less code this way), which would have to be broken up. So the short answer is: unless it's terribly important that they appear in alphabetical order, it's best to leave them alone. Sorry! (But it's something we can keep in mind for any future update. With SMW almost all of the templates will have to be re-written anyway.) — 6x9 (Talk) 15:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Any Consensus on ranking yet?

I'm curious if a decision has been made as to whether we will be adding a blue star or having bronze be an unwatched category. Thanks,    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   15:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

There's actually a vote on this on the CP, but it looks like no-one noticed it because it appeared somewhere in the middle of the thread… I moved it to the bottom, in the hope to get more than the current measly three votes (like yours for example *hint hint*). — 6x9 (Talk) 15:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

One of the things you know I'd like to resolve...

...particularly for all my non-English LW friends, is display title. So I thought you might be interested in looking at this. I nicked it from Wikipedia..but it doesn't seem to work effectively there and it doesn't work at all here (needs LW equivalent coding probably).  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 20:17, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Hee hee and you thought you was getting the night off ;) It includes an optional parameter for font. That works and would be suitable for subtitles but wouldn't want users to use it for mainspace pagenames.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:20, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
I got it to work as on the wikipedia page, i.e. partially with bits and pieces of the old text sticking out. We have the added disadvantage of the yellow "Send" button which would be hidden by a full-width div. And then there's the problem of page titles with more than one line… It's just not worth the hassle. People will just have to learn to live with it until the next software upgrade. — 6x9 (Talk) 21:23, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for trying. If you feel we should delete page, delete it.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:26, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


Notice anything odd about this (and the many 100's of similar pages using this album template)? If I didn't do so much meddling I wouldn't have found it ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 22:49, 22 January 2009 (UTC) P.S. Could you also add the |cover = parameter and remove the |Movie = parameter at the same time please. Annd if you could also make it so that pages using this automatically go into Category:Compilation without having to add this seperately to album page I think I'll give you next Saturday off ;) Thank you. It may help to read this too Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Compilations

Hasn't Team a already included this in his updated Album template (together with Single, Soundtrack, the kitchen sink etc.)? Meaning that once this gets released into the wild, the above template will be obsolete anyway. — 6x9 (Talk) 01:27, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Are you being difficult "young" man? ;). Well that's if he hasn't packed his bags and taken his templates with him. It was really the addition of star parameter that focused my attention. It hasn't got one, so of course none of these albums can be ranked.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:44, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
His sandbox is still here, of course. And his album template was almost good to go (except for the discussion about which album types to include). I'd feel kind of guilty about "taking over" his work, but I'd feel even worse if it were just left to rot, with all the time he's put into it gone to waste. Let's see whether he replies to these new messages on his talk page… — 6x9 (Talk) 01:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more. I just hope he's OK.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:58, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Email addr

Do you have an email address that I can have? Every now and then there is stuff I need to contact admins about that, for whatever reason (usually legal reasons), I can't do publicly. Please just send me a note to sean [at] the domain name of the site.
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 01:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes I wish we had one for team a.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:44, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
On its way. (Mine, that is. Obviously.) — 6x9 (Talk) 01:45, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
"Hey Sean..." (hee hee)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:57, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


As the bot is removing blank tl:Hometown from artist pages and adding {{ArtistHeader}}, I noticed that all talk pages that have ranking info reference tl:Hometown...any chance talk pages can use something else, so maybe soon we can get rid of the old tl:Hometown? cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 13:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Right now I'm updating {{Song Rank}} to reflect the recent changes our ranking system; Artist/Album Rank will have to be done as well. I'll get to the other ranking-related templates afterwards and make sure I'll any links to tl:Hometown. Thanks for the notice! — 6x9 (Talk) 13:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)


<big> ;) ♫ LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 16:53, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, I noticed :-/ So much for consistency! After all, "size=large" works in the font tags too, and style="font-size:big" doesn't work at all! *grumbles* — 6x9 (Talk) 17:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Lol, it's MW trying to simplify stuff...
I'd like to stress that not everything needs to be done for a silver song imho. We I'll talk for myself I think silver should be Watcher + album param + itunes or ASIN param + Youtube or GoEar param + wiki parm to avoid too big of a jump between Bronze and Silver and too small a gap between silver and gold (only Cert)
GREEN    BRONZE                      SILVER     GOLD
*++      @     +     &     +     +   +          #     
PageCreated    ASIN        Wikipedia LastParam  CERT
         Checked     Watcher
I want:
GREEN    BRONZE            SILVER               GOLD
+ = new param; Good luck making sense of it... LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 17:44, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
MW? No, <big> and <small> work in "normal" HTML as well.
Agreed on Silver = not-quite-all parameters, but a complete list would be better off on the help pages and/or LW:PR than on {{Song Rank}} etc. Less is more! Meaning, in our case, that the less information we put in a box, the more people are likely to read it. So let's restrict the Song Rank template to the bare bones and direct everyone (all five of them) wanting to know more details to LW:PR.
(My preference: asin and iTunes should both be required for Silver, as they're making us money! At least one of video or audio should be done, or *both* should be not applicable. lrcDB, allmusic and musicbrainz shouldn't be required for Silver.) — 6x9 (Talk) 18:05, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
I have a problem with requiring that there be a link for specific items. Yes, someone should have to check those sites for a link in order to progress to Silver, but to require the link is unfair. For instance, a relatively obscure song could never make it past bronze (asin/iTunes/goear/youtube may all be not applicable). So, personally, I don't think we should require links, only require that they have been checked for. --WillMak050389 21:18, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
That's what I meant with required – required to be checked and either "done" or "n/a", like it is right now. Guess I should have made that clearer. — 6x9 (Talk) 21:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh, OK, I do see now. I think I read your post wrong. Anyway, no hard feelings, I just wanted to make sure that was all clarified. Thanks! --WillMak050389 21:38, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Peeking at your sandbox

Would you incorporate the same sentence on Bronze as you did on Green, i.e. "We encourage you to sign yourself as Watcher" rather than a person "should" be a Watcher"? --   RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   16:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

I was about to do some more changes anyway, including (sort of) the one you mentioned. Check back in ten minutes or so and tell me what you think. Thanks! — 6x9 (Talk) 17:09, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
Using the wording that you did, to upgrade it to silver do this... makes it clear that the Watcher status isn't required but necessary to promote to Silver. Good job!    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   17:19, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Who is an Artist?

Would a bot have to walk the entire lw looking for pages like Gary Jules? tia ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 02:29, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

If a bot can just search for pages in the main namespace that include {{Artist}} (which is interpreted as a magic word, not as a template, if it hasn't got any parameters) and replace it with {{Artist|fLetter={{SUBST:ARTISTFLETTER}}}}, then no. — 6x9 (Talk) 05:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, that worked, found about 50 artist pages....but the bot looked all across Genres. I guess what artists may be left now are those masquerading as song or album pages! ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 16:42, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Platinum Record

Platinum Record The Platinum Record
6 times 9, I hereby present you with this Platinum Record For an outstanding job with the song info template RainbowDragon

Thank you! I noticed you were already making good use of it :-) — 6x9 (Talk) 04:06, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Here's one I produced earlier...

(That is a line from a comedy sketch if I remember rightly)

Ok I'm not sure if you will consider this a problem or not Talk:Tim Buckley:Carnival Song/Hi Lily Hi Lo. Take a look at all the categories at bottom of page. None of those things are required for Bronze. It would be good therefore if there was some way of not categorising song pages that are part of page ranking, on the basis of their being part of page ranking, until this is an actual requirement for the rank. It's also somewhat ironic because when you think about it, of all the song pages on LW "needing GoEar help","iTunes help" etc, it is the pages that are being categorized like this, i.e. the ones that are part of PR, that are the ones most likely to get it. Not because they are in that category, but just in the normal course of events.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 09:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the Artist/Album/Song Info template doesn't know which ranking a page has. Changing the Info templates to allow for a colour parameter would also mean that a bot would have to add that parameter to all existing pages, and later regularly look for new pages where a user might have missed it.
Anyway, it's a matter of interpretation: I don't see "Songs needing Blah Help" as meaning "Oy! You can't give the song this rating without completing that parameter!" but rather as "This will have to be done eventually if you want the song to reach Gold status." — 6x9 (Talk) 15:51, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
I understand it like 6x9 does. Bots can traverse those cat's if they find a way of getting the required info. And that line is characteristic of any cooking show right? That's why so many comedy sketch's use it?LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 05:23, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok thank you.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:05, 27 January 2009 (UTC)


Romanized الشيخ حسين الأكرف is not "Hussein Gasser", it would be something like : Sheikh Hussien Alla Karaf... try this link:[3], ;) اکو سییرا ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 01:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Lesson learned: never trust MusicBrainz blindly :-) — 6x9 (Talk) 02:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
The Jeff Healey Band:Sheik Of Araby, it's on GoEar, and unranked!!!!!! ;) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 02:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Any relation to Sheik Yerbouti? — 6x9 (Talk) 02:25, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
No, but covered by The Beatles as well.... but seriously, Go to Category:Unranked Songs, that song is not showing up ( even though SF says it should) ....something smells funny in the state of Denmark Netherlands! why is that??!!! ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 02:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
It seems categories are always lagging behind. About a week ago I changed {{Wikipedia}} to put categories which include it not in Category:Wikipedia articles, but in Category:Wikipedia articles/Category. Even after the job queue was back to zero, it still took a few days for all categories to no longer show up in the former. And if you look here, you'll see that not all song pages are sorted by song title rather than pagename yet. Give it a few more days and see whether it appears. — 6x9 (Talk) 02:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Well, as far as finding unranked songs goes, I guess I'll have to go thru the entire Songs category and look for any song that does NOT contain "star=.*" and throw a "star=Green" at them. If banks used WikiMedia software for book keeping, that would explain the current global financial meltdown, LOL ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 02:53, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Read and digest. I'm done with Music News page for the night. I'm off to bed. Nite guys. Sleep well.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 03:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
<horning in also>Actually, it just seems that you need to purge the cache for each page. That song is now showing up in the category, because I opened the edit window and saved it (without changing the page). This essentially purged the page cache and now it shows up. Try it yourself. Not sure if these would be easier than searching through all songs that don't have "star=*" but I thought I'd tell you guys. --WillMak050389 03:36, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh, Redxx's link tells you everything I just said. nevermind.....
(thanks will) Yes, Olds, not News lol, did you wonder how I came to touch (aka null edit) every song in every song category, and every artist, which prompted me to create the Category:Pages Needing Split Catalog? (because null editing or any bot editing of a large page halts the script dead) Recall all those pages with deleted by RainbowDragon: it was triggering the spam filter and various drugs I hand edited and changed their fLetter to get out of bot's way? Aqua and I had this discussion (seems like) eons ago, I'll dig up the ref I posted to his page, that post makes this whole thing look very grim.Point is, bots are the last resort, with all due respect to the wizardry of templates; they don't have the reach. At least I did touch every page in SNLI. /end rant/ ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 03:48, 28 January 2009 (UTC)


I have reverted (am reverting) the changes that you made to Cyrillic and Greek fLetters. There was a discussion going on about this in the Admin Portal that was (apparently) abandoned after I stated my strong objection to such changes for any languages other than those like Chinese who have a huge writing system of symbols-for-words. Changing individual Cyrillic and Greek letters to a broad, all-encompassing category is senseless, as these have limited alphabetic characters (unlike Chinese writing) and is likely to be seen as a bit insulting to those who use those alphabets. It's like changing all English fLetter parameters to "Roman" or some such thing. I don't like reverting admin changes, but there clearly was not a call in the discussion for these changes to be made.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   04:49, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Did you first look at Songs Cyrillic, Songs Greek, Songs Hebrew, Songs Lithuanian? Any newly created page in all those languages will receive a fLetter symbol..! Is it insulting to have all Cyrillic songs in one category? Or is it insulting to have them all thrown in Songs Symbol?
All those songs had their fLetter changed by me, this was my idea, 6 times 9 & Aqua agreed, Teknomunk chimed in that our fLetter algorithm needs a fix, and meanwhile fLetter Cyrillic is much better than the status quo... ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 07:40, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Yes, Echo, I have seen those pages. I also saw the original pages that were deleted for the individual characters that worked perfectly well. But that's actually beside the point. There was a discussion on the Admin Portal that was not resolved and where I had made my objections to these changes, and there was no further response. The fact that admins continue to go ahead with site-wide, major changes without first having a complete discussion or some sort of consensus in a site-wide public area such as the Community Portal (the Admin Portal where this discussion was taking place isn't even an appropriate spot, as non-admins can't give their views), is beginning to really get me a bit riled up. The attitude at times appears to be, "I have an idea that I think is cool, I talked to another admin who thought it sounded cool, and because I'm an admin, I'll go ahead and change things site-wide without further discussion." These aren't just minor changes to an individual page or two, guys. These ideas require full discussion. I'm really not happy with the way that caution is being thrown to the wind on some of these projects, let's just put it that way.
You're right, the songs, albums and artists should not have Symbol as their fLetter, but should instead have their (drum roll, please) actual fLetter. These aren't instances where the alphabets have characters in the hundreds or thousands such as is the case with Chinese or Japanese. They are workable, limited alphabets, that should be given the same respect that our alphabet gets. I know that Cyrillic and Greek had existing fLetter categories, and many of the changes that I reverted the other evening had the correct fLetter changed instead to "Cyrillic" and "Greek." Using Cyrillic, Greek, Hebrew, Lithuanian, etc. for the fLetter is a poor solution and its premature implementation has destroyed the work that had previously been done with these groups, and as a result isn't categorizing things by the fLetter anymore, but instead by alphabet type.
How to go about correcting things with the auto-template, I don't know. Not my area of expertise. I'll leave that to teknomunk. Perhaps the auto-template just continues as it is, and a bot goes through the Symbol categories from time to time searching for characters in those alphabets and corrects the fLetter, I don't know. There's probably a much better solution, but I'm not the tech guy, I'm the filing and organization guy. So, with that said, when an issue comes up that is in my area of expertise and I state my strong & harsh objections to the plan, and then I find out later that others have gone ahead and implemented the plan (and in fact, had started the changes before the discussion was even started in the Admin Portal) without further discussion or some sort of go-ahead being agreed frankly makes me shake my head in frustration and a bit of anger.
So, the status quo may be sub-par, but an equally sub-par solution isn't any better. That's why one should get consensus and have a decision made before action is taken. All admins know this, or should. This is twice now in recent history, however, that you've kind of bypassed this procedure. Just make sure that things are on the up-and-up.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   05:01, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
As someone who has honked-up and done the "implement change too soon" thing, I feel I can speak on this issue. We need to setup a clearer system of government that compromises between patience and consensus. When someone calls for a vote, it can be a long time or never before all the admins chip in. Can we figure out a policy where you call for vote on a change and there is a fixed amount of time you have to wait before you act? Or, if you get buy-in from a certain number of admins you can skip the wait? I think if we can institute this, we can forestall a lot of anger. --Åqüã†ìкí ƒΔΣ 05:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
It wasn't an "implement change too soon" thing, however. In this case, a site-wide change was begun before any public discussion whatsoever. Then when it was brought up in the Admin portal, I voiced my concerns and there were no replies after that whatsoever. Instead, the changes were continued/restarted anyhow. I think (despite being a "bureaucrat"), that adding too much bureaucracy to such things would be a bit much. ("A plan must have at least 50% of the active admins voting on an issue for a change to be made, except in months with one syllable, in which case only one-third of the active admins....") Instead: Everyone should use due diligence and caution before implementing site-wide changes. (Not meaning to shout, just highlighting for emphasis.) Whether the changes are template-based, policy-based, category-based, etc., things need to be discussed. It isn't likely to be a quick process, and notes on admin talk pages or the admin portal (Please look at this!, etc.) would possibly speed things up.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   21:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
RE: Technical details: If we agree that the literal fLetter should ultimately be used (excluding CJK languages, due to their large ideographic sets), and given that currently, we don't have an autotemplate to apply literal fLetters, then applying, Greek, Arabic, Hebrew, is the first step, because: Having Cyrillic etc. songs in one category allows a bot to apply the literal fLetter later. Why? because this is a two step process: step 1 walk the Songs Cyrillic Category, and apply the song name instead of the fLetter, and in step 2, chop off everything except the fLetter from the song name in fLetter (unless aqua has a one step idea), and the same goes for Arabic/Hebrew/Greek etc.
Voting, Consensus: No one raised an objection; some admins are present and didn't comment, some are not present and didn't comment, and no one raised any objection. True, it's a site wide issue, and we seem to be the only true multilingual wiki, and lacking the necessary software to do it automatically seems to be the biggest obstacle.
Proposal As I said in admin portal, I will take care of applying literal fLetter to Hebrew/Arabic/Cyrillic/Greek by bot, until the auto template for fLetter is obtained, given that the current autotemplate applies symbol to everything outside the regular ASCII character set, it's really a bot job until auto template is fixed.
So should this be discussion be transfered to Community portal, for comments by all contributors?
P.S. most admins and contributors, being exclusively English speakers and only working on English artists/songs don't feel a strong urge to comment either way, c'est la vie ;) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 15:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Technical Details: Actually, currently Symbol is the 1st step, then the second step would be for a bot to go through the Symbol category for those that begin with a recognized "Other Alphabet" character and correct the fLetter. Doesn't that mean that we skip right on over the "put into the Cyrillic category from Symbol" step?
Voting, Consensus: You can't say that no one raised an objection when I raised an objection.
Proposal: Applying the literal fLetter by bot would be wonderful. This is what should have been done in the first place, as a system for (some of) these alphabets already existed, but just didn't get the upkeep that it deserved, because the original editor who was working on these stopped coming by. (Possibly because it was a job for a bot, not for a human clicking keys.)
Community Portal: Anytime that someone wishes to make a site-wide change, it should be discussed in the Comm. Portal. The Admin. Portal could be for initial feedback (Should we deal with this now or later?-type stuff) and things like "I need help with this project!" shout outs, but the Community Portal is the place for open discussion and gaining feedback. True, much of the feedback is likely to be among the admins, but Senv. can join in there, as can our other regulars such as RainbowDragon, and the now-and-agains as well.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   21:27, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

After doing some re-arranging to SongFooter in my sandbox I can hardly think straight anymore, so here's only a couple quick (non-)replies for a start (trying hard not to tread on any more toes): (1) I suggest we put the who-did-what behind us and concentrate on a solution instead; (2) Aquatiki's idea is a good one; (3) Yes, moving the discussion to the C.P. might be best, we'll also have a greater chance of input by people who actually use non-Latin alphabets daily. — 6x9 (Talk) 16:16, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Regarding using a bot to enforce the fLetter, is there any plan for indicating alternative official names? For example, I can think of two Chinese bands offhand with Chinese names but (I feel) ought to be filed under "fLetter = F" (F.I.R. is one, Fahrenheit the other, both official English names); there are also many Japanese songs that have both a Japanese title and an equally official English title. I actually think using a bot might be a good idea, but we'll need some way to tell the bot that the Chinese band with fLetter = F is not an error.—gniw 22:36, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
There is currently no system for this, but the idea has come up before. Possibly two fLetters for these artists and songs… I know next to nothing about Chinese (or Japanese or Korean) though, so I can't really help you there. You could ask Aquatiki for starters. It would be great if we could get this issue sorted out! — 6x9 (Talk) 23:17, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Two Questions

  1. How does the discogs parameter work? I found the album, so I added |discogs= with the album's id but nothing changed.
  2. Thank you for adding timed lyrics to the default PR template, but if possible could you give option for "not applicable". The reason I ask is because if someone checks this (this being a requirement for PR) and it is not applicable, no-one is going to know it's actually been searched for and not found.
Thank you!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 09:47, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I assume Senv sent you? ;-) (1) There is no discogs parameter in SF because there are no Discogs pages for songs. I added the Discogs search because I occasionally found the standard Musicbrainz search useful and thought the additional option might help, but it's probably unnecessary and just adds clutter. (2) It may be better to just remove the default search completely – again, it's not really needed anyway, because if a song is on lrcDB, Senv immediately pounces with his tool and adds the parameter anyway :-)
I'll wait a bit before changing it though: Maybe some other stuff comes up, and also I'd prefer to make the changes to AlbumtypeSwitcher at the same time – it's enough to kill the job queue, no need to stomp on the rest of what's left. — 6x9 (Talk) 19:09, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
And, of course, less than ten minutes after I typed this there's this new page where I couldn't find the artist in question on MB, but on Discogs… — 6x9 (Talk) 19:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Hee hee that is what in England we call "Sod's law" (though I've never actually looked into who Sod was. Maybe I should.) Ok well maybe you should leave it in then. I wasn't suggesting you should remove it anyway. I have found it handy to have the link. I just wondered if, like with musicbrainz, etc. I should be entering the id for album the song was on or something.
And no, of course Senv did not send me (lol). As if! But as we all agreed in AP he is prolific with his tool, so much so that we all get a fair share of his edits daily on our watchlists. This is also proof that his timed lyrics are now very much part of this site, more so even than when PR commenced. That is why I felt timed lyrics should now be included in the default PR Info templat (as opposed to being an optional parameter which many may not even be aware of) and also of course why searching for timed lyrics is now included as a requirement for Gold.
And yes, if I'm totally honest I do like to acknowledge people's hard earned efforts and a job well done. Senv just goes about his business, quietly in the background, working towards improving this site, despite the fact that he himself has always experienced difficulties in retrieving information from the site due to the problems with the api. (He doesn't even moan about it anymore ;)) I think that is commendable.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:34, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
P.S. I think RD might need you to sprinkle magic dust over his user page (look at his last post on my talk page for explanation.) Awww...I'm watching a TV program about elephants (I love elephants).
According to the internet (and it is never wrong, is it?) --> "Prior to American's coining the term, Murphy's Law, the English had Sod's Law because it would happen to any poor sod who needed such a catastrophic event the least. Sod's law has been around long before any living man and has existed in many forms for hundreds of years. In the English County of Yorkshire I know it to have been around for generations because it has been passed through several Yorkshire families. But this original name is dying out because sod over here is a cursory so is not used much." P.S. - I may have to use a div tag or something to make the table look right in Firefox. In IE 7 the entire right column gets cut off. --   RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   22:51, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Why thank you! Now I know. I've been mucking around with yotr userboxes for a while now with no real success. But yes like you I too think div is the way to go.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 23:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

So, we've got this thing here...

Team a's album revamp. Do you know how well that thing works, doesn't work? I am thinking that we should get it released in his absence. I ask you, I think you and I are the most familiar with it at present.
I hope whatever happened, with his absence, is not catastrophic. Hopefully it as simple as lack of internet...
Let me know what you think.
King_Nee1114 (talk pagecontributionsdeletions) 02:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

He was here yesterday. He done a few edits. I tried to catch him (look at his contributions and time of my post) but he didn't answer. He didn't answer any of his posts unless he emailed Sean.
So yes, I totally agree KingNee, I think you and 6x9 should both work together on completing this (don't let him get away with anything though 'cos he's very cheeky ;)) Whatever has happened to team a I'm sure he wouldn't want all his hard earned efforts going to waste. I think he'd practically done everything anyway. Look in CP and also on his talk page too. I recall that he invited comments before finalising it. I know I put one problem that still needs resolving on CP and also on his talk page. It was about needing a margin for text so that it doesn't run right up to the edge of album art. Read the post (on his talk page), because it tells you where to look for some excellent examples. I think the main thing that team a still had left to sort out was what the individual types are going to be, e.g. Ep's, Soundtrack, etc. though it's been a while now so I'm not sure.
I know you are going to think I'm really daft, but I spent ages this morning working on the song that he edited yesterday, looking for clues in the lyrics to see if that would give me any indication what was up with him. Like it might have been a secret message or something. Yeah I know I'm silly like that.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Help! I'm away for a few hours more than usual my ISP obviously decided they need an occasional nap too and you're all having a ball on my talk page!
I've already transferred Team a's effort to my sandbox and got some of the code into a form which makes more sense to me (though probably not anyone else). I also removed the fix he included to allow text on the same line as the ranking star (which is no longer necessary, as you probably already noticed on album pages). And yes, Red, I'll also include a left and bottom margin, lest any text should dare to get too close.
As for album types… There's a discussion about this going on at A.P./Templates, which I strongly suggest you check out, unless you want Will, Red & me to run this thing by ourselves :-) In terms of the Album template, this raises two more questions: (1) Do we want different categories for (some) different album types, like we do now for Films? If so, which ones? (2) Do we want differently coloured headers for the infobox, like Team a included? If yes, we'll probably have to decide on the colours (and on which types we want different colours for… singles, EPs, limited-edition-fanclub-only-box-sets, wax cylinders etc.)
Looks like Team a is really short on free time… though he might have put at least a short notice on his userpage, that wouldn't have taken him more than a few seconds… Ah well, I trust we'll find out eventually. — 6x9 (Talk) 14:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Unknown Artist:Die Internationale

Can you throw any more light on this one. I looked into it months ago and found it it is a communist fighting song but of course we really need an artist. I said it should probably go into traditional song category but I think that might be insulting to some. Don't think we've got a Category:Political though (lol). Any brilliant ideas?  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 03:59, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

How about Anonymous? That's where I put anything that really doesn't have a distinct origin.
King_Nee1114 (talk pagecontributionsdeletions) 04:19, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks KingNee. Echo found some info on Wikipedia so we've allocated song to artist. Seems like we've got several Anonymous type pages. this one came from Unknown Artist There's a Traditional page too. They should be amalgamated really if possible.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 04:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

New album page autotemplate and regex

Hi, 6x9. Thanks for deleting "Metallica:Bleeding Me (Live)", mistakenly created by me (or lwt). That reminded me one issue I was already reporting somewhere (seems to me it was Will, who've pointed me this lwt bug formerly). If you click on the link to that deleted song, you'll find that a new album edit page will be opened instead of song one. Autotemplate treats all red links, ending with four parenthetical chars, being a link to new album. The same action will be chosen for any red link, ending with "(Demo)". You are universally accepted tl guru and I'm sure you can easily 'retrain' this new album template to react only on "\((\d|\?){4}\)" ending fraction :).

Tia, (and thanks for all you are doin' here),--Senvaikis (talk) 09:03, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't do anything about this; this is nothing to do with templates, but with these so-called "magic words" ({{SONG}}, {{ALBUM}}, {{ARTIST}}, {{SONGFLETTER}} etc. etc.). I think Teknomunk defined these and Sean implemented them (he's the only one who can, unless I'm wrong). You've probably noticed that they also behave oddly if there's a colon in the album or song title, and then of course there's the fLetter thing (which basically throws everything outside of 0-9 and A-Z in Symbol pot). I'm sure these things can be changed; maybe we should come up with a definitive wish-list and present Teknomunk with it. (The admin portal might be the best place to discuss this list, if you'd care to join us…?) — 6x9 (Talk) 14:14, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Songs I

Go to this page [4], and try to go to the next page from can't, neither can the bot...

Skipping {{lw|Redman:Intro}} because it contains text that is on the exceptions list.
Skipping {{lw|Rehab:Intro}} because it contains text that is on the exceptions list.
Skipping {{lw|Roy Jones Jr.:Intro}} because it contains text that is on the exceptions list.
Skipping {{lw|Sarai:Intro}} because it contains text that is on the exceptions list.
Getting [[Category:Songs I]] starting at Intro...
Getting [[Category:Songs I]] starting at Intro...
Getting [[Category:Songs I]] starting at Intro...

any ideas? ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 13:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Oh dear. That's something I didn't think of. (Obviously.) A way around this problem might be to sort Songs not by song title but by "song title/artist" (or song title/pagename). How pressing is it? Because there's two other changes I'd like to make to SongFooter as well (see above; the Discogs & lrcDB things), so I'd prefer to do them at the same time (plus the AlbumtypeSwitcher thing that's being discussed here). — 6x9 (Talk) 14:24, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Oh dear what?! lol;) don't tell me this is some sort of an unforseen interaction or insufficiently advanced magic! I didn't come across this in any other song category...and there seems to be various weired sticking points in all song categories (as you pointed out in the disscussion above re: non updating cats).. what do you think it is?... I think there is a bad songpage sitting there, the bot is right now touching pages in Songs I, so I may know what song is the sticking point, or the bot might just crash & burn I don't think it's your fault! ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 14:34, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm afraid it is. Note how in the address bar it says "Category:Songs_I&from=Intro"? Unfortunately there are more than 200 songs sorted as "Intro", and the link only ever jumps to the first one. You can't skip past the first page because the "next 200" link still goes to "...from=Intro" (i.e. it links to the page you're already on). With the fix above implemented the first page wouldn't be "from=Intro" but "from=Intro/112" (or whatever the first artist is), the "next 200" link would go to "from=Intro/Deichkind" (or whatever the 201st artist to imaginatively name a track "Intro" is), and so on. Also, they would be sorted alphabetically. — 6x9 (Talk) 14:50, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Well I'm scanning Song Cats looking for pages without "star=". "Songs I" will wait until you're done modding the SF, no sweat. One thing I like about running a bot is that without much effort I can see things that would otherwise take ages to come to light. Happy editing the SF, you sure have done much and added lots of new useful features to lw ;) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 15:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Star ranking is broken on Compilation pages

Hey there 6, I tried to add a star=Bronze to a compilation page I created and doesn't show up! Look HERE and tell me if I did something wrong or if there's a bug with comp. albums, please. --   RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   20:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

It's nothing you did wrong, it's just that when page ranking was implemented, {{VariousArtistAlbum}} was somehow overlooked (i.e. it never had a star parameter added), and later it was decided that all the various album templates (this one, {{Single}} etc.) should all be rolled into the regular Album template anyway. So just leave the star, and once {{Album}} is updated, a bot will eventually get round to replacing VariousArtistAlbum with it. — 6x9 (Talk) 20:20, 29 January 2009 (UTC) Okay, then. Thanks!    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   20:32, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

{{Live Lyrics}}

Look at the code. I hope you are proud of me!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 22:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, you've been learning from the best, so I'd have been very surprised if you hadn't picked up a thing or two ;-) Seriously though, it's good. Way to go! Could you just, maybe, reduce the wordiness a bit? That the lyrics differ from the studio version is pretty much a given (otherwise we wouldn't have an extra page for the live version), so that part could be omitted.
This is a live version of "Hey Jim". The studio version appears on Animal Farm (1984).
Should be enough, right? And it'll fit into one line much of the time. — 6x9 (Talk) 22:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
6 Times 9 ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 22:38, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Nice! Better than having an ArtistHeader slapped on my userpage :-) The wikipedia link is dead, though… (They probably just couldn't come up with something that would do me justice.) I think I need a new flat – I already had to take all the furniture out so my ego would fit. — 6x9 (Talk) 22:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
I have over 100 scripts for the bot, and they have diff exception lists, on rare occasions, it Happens,...LOL, obviously all of them should skip templates and user pages, talk pages... and Songs I ;) cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 22:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Jimi Hendrix:Hey Joe (Live) Better? Rfl@Artist page. I think it should stay!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 23:27, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Much better. There's hope for you yet :-) — 6x9 (Talk) 23:34, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
Can I direct you to this and request permission to apply the changes.
Also, I wanted to mention that if your making changes to the {{SongFooter}} template then it would be nice to have all the "Search for..." entries up the top (The only one that isn't is LrcDB) and having the Youtube parameter fall into the same format as the rest: Youtube: link. If you aren't planning on doing that already that is. ♫ LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 10:04, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Red's the one who made this template, so you'll need her "permission". You have my blessings though. Looks good!
I already thought about dividing SF into two sections, one for search and one for links, to bring some amount of order to the huge amount of icons. Not quite sure how to do it yet… The lrcDB search will be removed anyway, though, since it's not really needed. (Same with Discogs.) — 6x9 (Talk) 11:51, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. A redesign might be nice... I'll leave it to you :) I haven't had any ideas. ♫ LYRIC-Humbug wordsdeeds 12:23, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
The lrcDB search will be removed and the Discogs? Please don't, they are actually proving very useful.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 12:35, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I'll see about Discogs – if other people find it useful as well, it'll stay. (Though there's already six icons in the search box, now that I've added KingNee's Pandora… And I wonder how many other people will try to add "|discogs=#####" to the SF and scratch their heads when it does nothing? Tee hee!)
For lrcDB, you can add {{lrcDB|||{{ARTIST}}}} to a song page, hit preview, and the link will lead to a search page. Senv was right on this: having the search there by default is unnecessary (I've used it on dozens of pages, and not just obscure stuff either, and it only came up with a result *once*). — 6x9 (Talk) 13:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Aah well if Senv says, then that's different (hee hee).
No, joking aside, the reason I mentioned it was selfish motivation. It's because I'm lazy and I have found having the search links already presented on the page very handy. But I think I read that the lcrDB one is presenting a problem (appearing twice or something?) and yes I agree many will I'm sure scratch their pretty little heads wondering why Discogs is on song page (ewven if we did write something in documentation). So you are probably right.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 14:12, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Teutonic Wizardry

Can you check this page Böhse Onkelz:Feuer and tell me if I have correctly set it's star to Green?... Also can you apply some wizardry (in tl|SF?) that will exclude talk pages from showing up in SNLI? I'm not just sitting here stalking contributors...:) ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 21:47, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

No problems on the Onkelz page. (There's a Code Purple on talk page though, with translation request – but that doesn't mean the song's rating should be violet, right?) I added a fix for the category stuff to SF (sandbox version), thanks for the notice. So far it's just for "Songs X", language and SNLI categories, though, not for all the external link categories (youtube etc.) — 6x9 (Talk) 22:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Correct, code purple for trans request has nothing to do with code Violet for spelling errors. The Song had a bunch of UTF charcter "–" (you can see in the history) which I had the bot replace with "-" (this seems to happen often in German songs for some reason, and is part of the bot typo fixes now). Song Talk pages whose lang param has not been filled show up in SNLI, where they don't belong. Categories for Song with param X are useful, but I won't cause a stink over it, I'm immensely grateful you did the Songs with iTunes one. By the way, your artist page needs a bunch of <br> and nbsp to look respectable & authentic ;) cheers & keep up the good work ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 22:36, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Ah, hang on, I misunderstood. I thought you meant talk pages which included SongFooter… when it's probably the {{Song Info}} template? (The one with "Songs needing iTunes help" etc.) I fixed that one now – no need to have both song and its talk page in SNLI. — 6x9 (Talk) 22:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
You're not slow, it's me who is not using the correct terminology. It's the song Info template, if the lang param is left at unknown instead of done, the page shows up in SNLI and confuses the language bots. Another similar thing is when there is SF on a redirect page (you've seen my edit summaries "-rm SF"?).

I'm curious what does LW use to define a song page? tl|Song, tl|SF, or lyrics tag? is it the same for Song fLetter cats and SNLI? No rush in responding... ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 22:57, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

A song page is recognized by its pagename: anything in the main namespace with a colon is interpreted as a song (unless it has "(****)" at the end in which case it's an album… even if **** is Demo or Live…). The quick category fix I included in SongFooter means that only pages in the main namespace get added to SNLI, Cat:Language or fLetter (Team a came up with that). — 6x9 (Talk) 13:00, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm, but I found colonless pages in Song "X" categories, [5], the page contained a pair of lyric tags though..... On a whim I went after Finnish Songs, and now look at Category:Unranked Songs. Is it possible to define something in SF (if that's the place for it) that would detect and categories songs with multiple tl|Song?, otherwise we'll never catch up with them. cheers & happy editing ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 00:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately there's no way for a template to recognise what else is on the pages that include it. Not until we get Semantic anyway. (Then we'll probably also be able to find pages that have a header, but no footer template, and vice versa, without having to compare huuuuge what-links-here lists.) Uh-oh, I'm starting to sound like Aquatiki!
As for colonless song pages, well, some users try put lyrics anywhere, and maybe the "New Song (lyrics) Template" above the edit box makes it a bit too easy for them :-) Just like some users think the proper way to add an artist to an "Artists X" category is to edit the category page itself… though most of these should by now be thankfully protected.
Another category you might go after is Category:Wikipedia articles: most of these seem to be artist pages with the Wikipedia template (those should use the wikipedia parameter in ArtistHeader instead), and quite a few song pages are there as well (should use WP-Song instead). The album pages will have to wait until the Album template update… — 6x9 (Talk) 00:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Sandbox snooping

Good morning, afternoon or evening (whatever time of day it is in your part of the world).

I was peeking at the cover art box in your sandbox and I think it looks great. I had a suggestion that you might want to consider. Would it be much trouble to include album length and genre in the space below the pic and do away with that same information below the box? I've always felt that that information looked odd floating by itself under the album art box. Option number two would be to have album length and genre on a single line between the artist link and the track listing. What do you think?    RainbowDragon    talk    contribs   17:19, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Too late for that, it's already included :-) Go to some album page, hit edit mode, replace "{{Album" at the top with "{{User:6 times 9/Sandbox", hit the preview button and you'll see what I mean. I have to say, though, that the template in my sandbox is Team a's, not mine; he seems to have disappeared and I'm taking over so as not to let all his work go to waste. I just haven't gotten around to doing anything with it yet, and now the SongFooter update takes precedence. (I'll leave a note about that on the community portal shortly.) — 6x9 (Talk) 17:27, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
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