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The Pogues

I couldn't find any Pogues pages that were not already redirected to the correct The Pogues page. One thing that I did notice, though, was that all of the songs that were moved in will have to have their {{Song}} changed to reflect their new place. I don't know how interested you are in doing that...
King_Nee1114 (talk pagecontributionsdeletions) 20:12, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
by the way, I think this welcome is long overdue by now!

PS: I must ask if your name is an allusion to the question to the answer 42?
Thanks for the welcome! And yes, my username alludes to that question. (Well-spotted!)
I had already moved or redirected all Pogues (minus The) pages to The Pogues. The trouble is that the moved pages didn't show up on the The Pogues page, and I can't remember what they were. Once someone finds a way to add their links, I'll be happy to correct the song templates. (I don't think there were more than a dozen, anyway. Most were simple redirects.) -- 6 times 9 20:33, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
I checked the "What links here" and did these. If only the answer was  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 05:03, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
Great, thanks! Now I just had to scroll down on the Recent changes page, see which Pogues songs you edited, and add them to the The Pogues page. Whew! -- 6 times 9 09:46, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
They are already allocated to all albums/singles on that page (that is why they didn't appear in OS list).  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 19:05, 16 July 2008 (EDT)


Category:Users who know what 6 multiplied by 9 really is.

Hey, have you read The Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy? Because judging by your username, you want to be in Category:Users who know what 6 multiplied by 9 really is. by adding {{UBX:42}} to your page :) --Mischko Talkicon EsperanzaIcon 14:24, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

<indignant>Of course I read it!</indignant> (I've heard rumours that there are people who haven't, but that can't be true, can it?) -- 6 times 9 15:40, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
Haa haa..No, not unless they live on a different planet. ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 22:12, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
Errr... how would living on another planet be an excuse for not having read it? --Mischko Talkicon EsperanzaIcon 05:19, 21 August 2008 (EDT)


Multi-Platinum Record The Multi-Platinum Record
6 times 9, I hereby present you with this Multi-Platinum Record Fantastic job! Such hard work. Nicely done. --Aquatiki - T - E 10:11, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Ooh, thanks! I'm honoured! Straight from zero to multi-Pt too... *pats self on shoulder* Of course, now I feel like I'll have to keep up that tempo... No pressure, though! -- 6 times 9 10:24, 22 August 2008 (EDT)

Well, either that or be a one hit wonder! :-b____ --Aquatiki - T - E 11:32, 22 August 2008 (EDT)
Yes I'll second that. Thanks for all your input!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 19:43, 24 August 2008 (EDT)


in song footer...Led Zeppelin:Whole Lotta Love I can't take any credit for this at all. It was our Administrator Mischko  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 16:10, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes, I had already noticed. Quick work! I was so excited about it that I did a few Pink Floyd songs straight away! :-) -- 6 times 9
Yes I'm a big "Let's see if Wikipedia has an article" fan too, so I know the feeling :-)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 18:37, 26 August 2008 (EDT)



Just to let you know that I've reverted the edits you done in respect of the English towns because of course the UK is not a country.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 19:09, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at {{Hometown}}: "For bands and artists from U.K., use United Kingdom as country, The country (e.g. England) as state and the city as hometown."
(BTW, the bit about not including the state for German and French hometowns still needs to be removed, as both have federal states resp. departments, and so far, most people have included them anyway.) -- 6 times 9 19:23, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I knew I'd seen this ludicrous notion somewhere (I thought it was in the Help pages) so sincere apologies. The person who wrote that obviously needs to take a few lessons in Geography!! I will endeavour to get the wording amended on the page, since of course England, Scotland and Wales are all separate countries and therefore should be given the same status on LyricWiki as any other country. I will also endeavour at the same time to get the instruction changed for German and French states.
The reason I say "endeavour" is because I'm not sure if the documentation is actually part of the template (documentation is being moved off the template pages and has already been done in a few cases). If it is, if the template is changed in any way, every page using that template gets updated. That means ALL artist pages :( We might just have to make do with a note in the Help pages for now. Talking of which, did you see that I put a note in Help pages that all hometown names need to be in English? I know you disagree with this, but it does make sense where an English name actually exists. Regards  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 20:12, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I'd noticed the bit about hometown names. I'm not really violently opposed to it; it's more the fact that most have already been entered in their "native" names. The same for UK vs. England, really – I can see why you'd prefer the latter, but is it really so blatantly, buggeringly wrong that it warrants changing loads of pages? (Unless of course you'd just sic a bot on 'em!) -- 6 times 9 20:21, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
England not being given the status of a country? Scotland and Wales? Yes it is.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:46, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
{{Hometown}} Me is a happy little bunny now  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:54, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Heh. I had noticed it too. Don't read the next sentence, if you want to bask in the warm glow of happiness for a little bit longer: there's a small, but significant typo! -- 6 times 9 02:01, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
What's an 'r' between friends? (lol)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC) UPDATE: It ain't even there now ;)

Re: Marillion

I restored the compilations and live albums in the chronology, and thought that I'd better explain. Major releases, whether studio albums, live recordings, or compilation albums should be listed chronologically. That's as long as it is a major recording. Bootlegs, cheaply-reproduced "Best Of" compilations (primarily for bands that are no longer truly active with new albums, etc.), and small-press type albums aren't included. The same goes for singles. Singles get a subheader like you created for compilations and live albums, and if there are major bootlegs that are widely passed around, then they too could be listed as you did. If one wanted to get truly comprehensive with compilations, then a "Other Compilations" subheader might be good, I suppose, but those can get to be a bit endless for certain artists. I know things can get ti be a bit of a tightrope walk deciding what to do, and I just wanted to let you know why I restored those albums.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   19:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

All right. There's no reason to list both LP and CD versions for The Thieving Magpie on the artist page though, is there? It's enough that they're both listed on the album's page. -- 6 times 9 15:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for kicking me off on Santana tonight. It's got a way to go yet, but it is in a little bit better shape now :-)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 00:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

That has to be the first time someone thanked me for letting them do all the work! :-) -- 6 times 9 01:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
I suppose the best way I can explain that is by saying that sometimes the time I spend here is a bit like going on a journey. I don't always end up where I intended to go because I often get waylaid by old friends ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 00:53, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
That was almost poetic! Glad to have been of service :-) -- 6 times 9 01:30, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Batch Language

If you are working on an artist that can use batch processing to add the Language param, leave a note on SNLI Talk with the band name and the language to be applied. cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 21:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

See this post...

Category talk:Language/Multilingual  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:14, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

I see you've cracked it...but how did you know to put a space??  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:16, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Guessing, really... I noticed that subcategories are sorted by the complete alternative text, not just its first letter, so I thought the same would apply to space as first letter. -- 6 times 9 02:20, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

You certainly deserve one too..

Diamond Record The Diamond Record
6 times 9, I hereby present you with this Diamond Record for you excellent work beautifying language categories (and countless other stuff). Thanks 6 times 9!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 12:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! *blushes* -- 6 times 9 15:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)


I must be cleverer than I thought I was ...although you'd think I'd know how to insert my own template correctly wouldn't you? lol  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 13:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Cool! I'm wondering, though... Are we going to add these additional parameters (allmusic, discogs) to the star box as well? Not that we're in any danger of hitting the 32k limit (yet), but the thing might grow rather bulky with time. -- 6 times 9 15:04, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Lol no. I'm keeping this one very quiet ;) We don't want more work to do now, do we?
 ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:59, 1 November 2008 (UTC)



I noticed this edit of yours, specifically the spelling "Hip-Hop". Did you do that because Category:Genre/Hip-Hop is bigger than Category:Genre/Hip Hop, or because this spelling is more correct? team atalkctrb 04:20, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

The former... though I now see that I should have checked first; Wikipedia at least calls it Hip hop. (Though we should keep it capitalised to keep things simple and clean.) I quickly reversed it. Ideally, all artists in Hip-Hop should be changed to Hip Hop, but this way at least they'll turn up in the correct genre, and users looking at Category:Genre won't get confused by two different spellings. -- 6 times 9 04:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response. Bot time! team atalkctrb 05:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Finished. Take a look at Category:Genre/Hip Hop now. Category:Genre might need an overhaul in general, though. Do you know who is good with categories? team atalkctrb 07:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Good work! Redxx has a lot of experience with categories, after doing all that work on language and hometown. What we'd really need, though, is someone who knows about genres, what is a subgenre of what else and all that stuff. -- 6 times 9 14:47, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
(PS.) Or maybe we could get Frontway to have a go at it... Look at what he did with Category:Genre/Punk Rock and its subgenres!
I was sure to make a note of {{Genrebox}} the first time I saw it. It's pretty sick, I have to say. Also, it seems that he's made the subgenres only appear in the main genre, which is what I've been trying to do. Maybe this should be discussed in greater detail on Category talk:Genre? I'll be sure to ask Redxx though, I noticed how well-done {{Hometown}} was. team atalkctrb 00:38, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Pretty 'sick' team a?? Did you mean 'slick'? (hee hee).
Ok I understand a bit about categories, but I have to say that 6 times 9 has a very good understanding of categories too. And credit where credit is due, he has also been doing an excellent job recently with Hometowns. I dabble in categories yes, but then I dabble in everything. However 6 times 9 has done much of the work to which I believe you are referring in that category team a, all of which is good.
As for Frontway? Well he is obviously still around as he answered your post, but he hasn't been very active for a while. However, we are all very much hoping he will be encouraged to participate again more regularly. I'm thinking that maybe the genre thing could be what does it. I'm not much cop on genres myself I'm afraid. All the various sub genres and sub genres of sub genres and sub genres of sub genres of sub genres gives me a headache (lol). Either way, you hold the expertise between you to make some definite headway with genres. You would do an excellent job, of that I am sure, but it'd be a lot of work. However, if you do decide at some point to undertake this as a project, you could always leave a message on Frontway's talk page asking him to lend a hand...  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:28, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
Careful with all that praise... You wouldn't want me to get a big head, would you? :-) While I have much of that category stuff sorted out (at least the alphabetic sorting bit), I'm absolutely rubbish at genres. For me, there's only two: stuff I like and stuff I dislike. (And various subgenres of course.) So far, I only cleaned up some genres that existed in several spelling variations... and even got some of that wrong! (Hip Hop vs. Hip-Hop) Back to the left margin now, or soon there'll be only enough room for one word per line...

Some way of sorting things is necessary though: on the one hand, it's impractical to list each and every sub-sub-sub-genre on the main page; on the other, a user looking for a certain sub-sub-sub-genre might not necessarily know which sub-sub-genre it is a sub-genre of. (Or maybe we could make all major genres appear at the front by prefixing the alt. text with space?) I think I'll stop for now, all that sub-sub-stuff has given me a headache... -- 6 times 9 01:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

I've just been doing basic stuff too (see User:Team a/Worklist/Genre). I think listing only the main genres on the Category:Genre page is probably a good idea, and if they're broad and few enough, it should be easy to pick one that somewhat resembles the specific genre that one has in mind. I'm having a bit of a hard time even suggesting a difinitive list - wikipedia is pretty useless here, but Allmusic might be a good place to look. team atalkctrb
Sorry for the late reply... been busy with Hometowns (and trying to make a dent in Special:WantedCategories – a bottomless barrel, to use a German expression). That AMG list looks good... what about major "unpopular" genres though? (Classical...) OTOH, how can Avant-Garde be popular??? If a lot of people listen to it, it's not avant-garde anymore, is it? How about a subcategory "Local Genres" for things like DDR-Punk, J-Rock, Australian Hip Hop etc.? Maybe you should ask on the community portal though; it's a Herculean task, and if we could get a few specialists to help, that would be really... ummmm... helpful. -- 6x9 (Talk) 16:01, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

"Faithfull Marianne"

Are you at all interested in cleaning up the artists whose names are backwards? Are you interested enough that I can tell you about the ones I find while I am scanning SNLI? At some point I will become adept at the various steps that are involved but for now I would rather concentrate on getting the biggest category of those that should not exist down to a reasonable size.

I will forever be in EchoSierra's debt for the nomenclature. I hope it becomes LW lore.

JimCubb 21:33, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Depends on the size... Quite a few of those backwards artists have more than 100 songs, which would be really tiresome to do by hand. I know, because I did a few of those. The "official" way would be to place a {{mergeto}} template on those pages, but in practice it can take a very, very long time before something is done about that.
How about this: you dump a link to each artists you find on your userpage, with the number of songs, and get a few bot-keepers to look at it occasionally to clean up the more daunting ones, while I (or anyone else who's interested – or bored enough) take care of the smaller pages? -- 6x9 (Talk) 21:56, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Very good idea! Would my user page be better than my talk page?
JimCubb 23:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't matter really – if you use your talk page, put them at the top though, so they're easy to find. -- 6x9 (Talk) 23:22, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

I was appalled at how many I found. Maybe I should be pleased.

I just got here and answered ES. I had an idea about a "tag", or whatever it is called for the top of the songs in SNLI. He told me to put it on the Community Portal. I did. Would you look at it and, if you like it, do some nudging of folks here and there? (By the way, ES things that SNLI will get down to 1000 songs. I admire his optimism but do not share it. I think he is off by at least an order of magnitude.)

Time to start slogging. Thank you again.

JimCubb 18:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

or Oconnor Sinead? next time when you find one of them post a note on my page. I see you doing it by hand while I have the bot trained to do it. cheers and happy editing ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 02:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
There weren't that many, and some had misspelled titles and had to be done by hand anyway. (Same with OMD and Hazel O'Connor.) Anyway, by working on several pages at once and using copy & paste, it's pretty quick work. (I'll keep your offer in mind for "bigger" finds, though – thanks!) -- 6x9 (Talk) 02:48, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow! I had not even considered Michael Card as a subject for a massive Language fix. I will have to let ES know about the two that you have left for his bot while we each have a beer. I have put a note on Aquatiki's Talk page enlisting his help on the project and alerted Kiefer to a possible problem that Aqua's bot is causing so I may have caused enough trouble around here for one day.

Thank you very much for moving the discussions from the Portal to the relevant pages' Talk pages. That has been my main complaint about this site since I found it. Too many things were decided on users' (mainly Admins') Talk pages about a subject and nothing was ever put on the Talk page for the subject. Again I thank you.

Things seem to be getting better.

JimCubb 06:24, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I think....

I've got a Guardian Angel! It isn't going unnoticed and it sure is much appreciated. Thank you.
 ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 03:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Pssst...I'm your secret stalker

You mean you were... now the secret's out! (I already suspected it, anyway. *looks over shoulder*) Careful, or I'll take revenge by giving you advice for your chess game – I know from experience how annoying that is! Though right now it looks as if you actually might need it... tee hee hee! -- 6x9 (Talk) 03:40, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
When I lose, I'm intending on pleading mitigating circumstances.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 13:04, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

"Live" is not a Year

Yes, and thanks for catching up one more result of my util's early days bug, when it used to create a new page for a song without lyrics. This particular case exposes one more bug, when autotemplate is opening a new album page instead of one for song, if song title ends with any four symbols surrounded by parenthesis. You may try to create (without saving) a test page to check that. (I've reported this bug to Will). Btw, my latest changes in this page were made just to make clear it's not an album, but I'm not sure if such approach is good, so feel free to reedit it. Cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 11:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Silly me... I didn't even consider it was supposed to be a song! (Should have looked at the history.) I thought it was a live single or something. I just looked through Special:Categories for categories that shouldn't exist and tried to quickly correct (most of) the pages in those. Thanks for correcting my correction! -- 6x9 (Talk) 16:05, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm thinking...

that maybe I was silly to ever be concerned that newly registered users were welcomed and that maybe it is best to leave it a few months before welcoming new visitors with open arms.

Take a butcher's at this, an edit you will not I took the time and trouble to make earlier today. Then look at the subsequent 3 edits made to that same page ..grrrrrrr.
Do you think our new Hungarian friend will get the feeling from this that maybe I'm just a little %!$?)& about this?
 ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 23:26, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

And I've been puzzling this for a while now and tonight I said to myself - no more! So, are you a Brit from Kent? Or are you German, with absolutely no connection to Kent, England, the UK, Great Britain (note the Great, or indeed Outer Mongolia? I can't quite figure it. (Sorry, you dont get option three.)
Well, the guy hasn't messed up edited anything since, so either he's off to Helpland, or busy changing his looks, getting a fake identity and arranging to flee the country in the vain hope that you won't track him down. We'll see.
As for your second question... You haven't figured that out yet??? If that's the best you can do, I'll have to look for a more thorough stalker. Since I'm feeling generous right now though, I'll give you a hint: I'm indeed not from Outer Mongolia. Are you impatiently hopping up and down on your chair yet? -- 6x9 (Talk) 00:52, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Rfl know I am. I suspect now you know I'm curious you'll try and throw me off track too. I knew I should've kept my big mouth shut
With regards to our Hungarian friend, I've put back all the f letters. He removed them on every page he created/edited. Yeah cheers mate. See you again soon.
Finally, with regards to the redirecting artist page thing, the ones I did today were really easy and didn't take me very long to do at all. The main reason for this being that most of the songs did not already exist on the target page. As such I could take full advantage of (and was glad to have) the ability to "Batch Move". After I moved all the songs, I then went back to the pages I'd moved and used SandBot to correct all the names in the Song template and in the Song Footer. After which I came back to do some more....only to find that you had done them all!! Then I felt bad because with all my special magical powers I could've saved you a lot of time. So... If there is an artist page which needs redirecting (or as I found today maybe two variations on the same theme - lol) only redirect the songs that already exist on the target page. These are the only ones I cannot do with my magical powers. The rest I can do, quite literally, in a couple of seconds. Well okay a couple of minutes...maybe five...six tops. As such it makes sense for me to do them while you/Jim/whoever move onto doing the next ones I can't do. After I have moved the songs I will go back to the songs and like I say use SandBot to change the incorrect name in the Song and SongFooter templates. Which again will only take me less than seven minutes 35 seconds to do. Then..tah - dah!! Job done!
Aren't I making your page look pretty? Just think by tomorrow night you could have the full set!
Nite Zzzzzzzzzz...
 ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:07, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Oh dear, I do hope Kiefer doesn't see this or I'm in BIG trouble..It's admin rule #1 K.I.S.S. Keep It Short and Simple.
POSTSCRIPT: A humorous aphorism attributed to E.B. White:
To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.
Yum, pie!
With "mixed" artists, doing the moving myself doesn't actually take that much longer. First I try to redirect everything anyway (which is pretty fast with copy & paste, and now that I found out about that spiffy SUBST:SONG thingy, it's even faster), and if I have the page already opened, it doesn't take long to move it. And adding the list of moved songs to the correct artist page is simply a matter of copying to a text editor, replacing, and pasting. Also, that way I can sort out name variations, which would take some serious programming for your bot. BTW, is that you in the background of your bot's pic? How do you keep in shape like that?
Hmmmmmmm..... or are you just offering to take the workload off me in the hope I'll be grateful and tell you where I'm from? I'm not that easy to bribe! I'll give you another hint though: I'm not from Kent, either (Clark or otherwise). (I assume you thought of Kent because I'm a fan of all those Canterbury bands? Note that most of them were a lot more popular in France, Belgium and NL than they were in their own country.) -- 6x9 (Talk) 02:53, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
PS. Since those rules were only posted on the admin portal and I'm not an admin, they don't apply to me, do they? So, on to {{ArtistHeader}}... and then I'll work on that multiple album thing for {{Song}} and secretly send the results to Aquatiki, so he can update the template when no-one else is looking... MWAHAHAHA!

I'm still laughing..

Gold Record The Gold Record
6x9, I hereby present you with this Gold Record for "I listened to the song and confirmed there are no lyrics". Haa haa.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:30, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I think... (It's a good thing you didn't look at this page instead.) But seriously, how else am I supposed to certify instrumentals? -- 6x9 (Talk) 21:37, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Red, if you are looking for patent owner, - look here ;)--Senvaikis (talk) 21:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Haa haa. No it's valid, because when you think about it there might actually be lyrics.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 22:22, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for certifying my certificate. But, quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Sean? -- 6x9 (Talk) 23:00, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Sic Sean  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 23:10, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Ah yes, he mentioned somewhere that he was sic. Poor guy, hope he gets better soon. -- 6x9 (Talk) 23:12, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
PS. Are you sure you don't mean "centurion"?

PJ/Pj Harvey

done. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 02:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)


Can you do me a favour when you got a minute please..have a look at this post User_talk:Hfs#Deutsch. I know Gaspode is asking Hs a few things as he is new here (Hallo, ich bin sehr neu hier), I just want to ensure that when Hs replied (which he did) he told him right. Thank you!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 22:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Had a look at HS's reply and he seems to have the matter well in hand. -- 6x9 (Talk) 23:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you :-)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 23:07, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

"artist = " parameter

Thank you for letting me know. I was aware, but I just like to put it in there. Also, I think it would be slightly less work for the server. Grabbing "artist = SomeName" rather than utilizing the {{{ARTIST}}} magicword. Seeings how it does not change the template, I don't mind taking the extra second to type it in. Thanks, though, for your concern. --WillMak050389 02:36, 24 November 2008 (UTC)


...Now how does it go? ...Aah..

[1] Please have a look at LW:PN. Thanks!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 17:19, 24 November 2008 (UTC) hee hee

Oops... Damn copy & paste! Figures, though – the one time I mess up, you're the one to catch it. At least you're taking your stalker duties seriously! -- 6x9 (Talk) 17:35, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Willie Nelson & Wynton Marsalis

Very nice! While I was setting up the talk page for the artist you developed a header for collaborations and applied. If it was supposed to be a secret from everyone else, no one will ever hear about it from me.

I have a problem with the whole idea of "Hometown". While Wynton Marsalis is proud to call New Orleans his hometown, for most of his life he has lived in New York City. Other artists present greater problems.

There are artists who were born in one place, lived various other places while growing up, went to school in other places, started in the busic business somewhere else and now live where it suits them to live. Any one of those places could be called a home town. The best example I can think of right now is Kris Kristofferson.

He is primarily a songwriter who sings and records. When I read his lyrics I see much more of Pomona College and Merton College, where he took his degrees, than I see or hear of Texas. I won't fight it if anyone were to put Brownsville, Texas, as his hometown but I won't agree with it either.

Thank you again.

JimCubb 20:39, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I simply gathered the hometown information from the Wikipedia article. If you think New York City is more appropriate, feel free to change it. If you feel neither tells the whole truth, remove state and hometown parameters and just leave United States. -- 6x9 (Talk) 20:45, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
But I think you should consider that for as long as the information exists about where he was born, be it on Wikipedia or elsewhere, other users are very likely to simply put the information you remove back in. I know I would.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 00:44, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Rather than enter into a flame war with anyone over the issue of Hometown (an issue I consider to be lower than trivial but fear that next we will have to add height, weight, date of birth, hair color, eye color and handedness), I will leave it alone. When it is misleading, I will let it mislead, though not cheerfully.
JimCubb 01:31, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

New thought, just as I had saved the above:

Why isn't Hometown listed as place of birth? Why is there no place for date of birth? Why is there no place for date of death, if applicable (½ of The Highwaymen)?
Things could get really interesting. A living artists' Page could not go Gold until the artist died because retrospective compilations would not count and I plan to add a centenarian who is still alive and may still be recording.
If hometown becomes place of birth then places of influence could be included. Then would come place of residence.
There are some Admins who seem to prefer to complicate things rather than simplify them. (Examples can and will be supplied upon request.) I could get one or two of them interested in the idea of more complete information and there would be no thought given to how it would help the site, how it would help a new user or the difficulties it would present to users who are trying to bring order out of chaos at the album level. Cherished bots could gallop through the database, assaulting the server at rates that are currently unimaginable.
I wonder how many would think that the above is totally serious had I not put this here. I wonder how many can mark the boundaries between the serious, the partially serious and the totally facetious.
JimCubb 01:49, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Jim you forgot shoe size  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
For someone who considers the issue of hometown lower than trivial, you sure give it a lot of thought. -- 6x9 (Talk) 01:58, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Red -- there are too many systems and the conversions can be messy. (How many barleycorns are in a centimeter?)
6X9 -- I am a datafreak. I truly want to know everything about everything and want such knowledge to be available to others as is possible. Big Brother is my buddy. I never dismiss a variable / field without careful considerations from as many angles as I can imagine. I am also something of a pragmatist. I have dealt with too many datasets and the presentations of the summaries of those datasets not to be concerned with the usefulness of information in comparison with the cost of collecting and maintaining the information.
Rest assured that whenever I criticize any of the methodology here, whether existing or proposed, it is only after I have considered the reasons given for the methodology, the reasons I have considered that were not given, the reasons I have read against the methodology and the reason I have considered that were not given.
Did that make sense?

JimCubb 02:21, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes. However, consider the following:
(1) While some rule-of-thumb considering hometown is certainly necessary, there will always be exceptions where whatever rule is decided on does not apply, or at least not while still making any sort of sense.
(2) This does not mean that we should leave out hometown completely: even if there is some dispute about town or state, in most cases there will be no doubt about country, which is probably the bit that will get looked at or browsed the most. As for the remaining cases, we'll have to trust that some user will know what is most appropriate.
(3) It is good to know that you think things through before posting here. It would be even better, though, if you occasionally remembered that others might do the same thing. Much of your criticism comes across as bitter and cynical, rather than constructive. -- 6x9 (Talk) 02:51, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
1.181102362  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:38, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
or more accurately: 1.1811023622047244094489118978238  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 12:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Very good! And now in base 13, please ;-) As long as you don't write down all known digits of π... I don't think Sean would appreciate having to buy several more servers. -- 6x9 (Talk) 19:32, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Der Song - Eisbrecher

I am confused...

Eisbrecher_remix by Eisbrecher

Eisbrecher by Nena

[2] (note song written by Carlos Karges).

I've also read reviews on Amazon.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 00:39, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks like it's a real song by the band Eisbrecher – the same lyrics are on their official page and credited to the band, © 2004. User:Megahexe, who moved the second page to Nena:Eisbrecher, probably wasn't aware of that. Here Here are the lyrics to the Nena song. -- 6x9 (Talk) 00:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:47, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Redirect and deletion

Hi, I speak italian and I'm reviewing some pages' titles which contain errors, mainly caused by accents: è, é, ì and so on. I know that sometimes a redirect is better than a deletion (request), but a page with a wrong spelling title must be erased for sure. Drop me a line for a more particular explanation. --No2 19:49, 29 November 2008 (UTC)


Hey, guys, I've set up a new Template:CatAZBySecondLetter, set Template:CatAZ to call it if it gets an argument, and set Category:Artists L to call it with one. What do you reckon?

I copied your message to (and replied on) the Community Portal, since I think this warrants greater exposure. -- 6x9 (Talk) 05:35, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
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