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Stars on Song Pages

Is there any way that when the rank is changed on a talk page, the colour of the star on the corresponding Song/Artist/Album page automatically changes? If this is not possible (which would be great) could a note be added to the template reminding (telling?) users that they need also to change the colour of the star on the corresponding page?

Only the number of times people forget to change it....
 ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 14:23, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I've thought about this too. Maybe artist pages can use a template to transclude the part of their talk page where the star color is listed? In that case, changing the talk page would automatically change the page itself. Even as I'm writing it, though, it sounds unnecessarily complex/dangerous... Script please? team atalkctrb 13:07, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
You've come to the right place with ideas like that team a, because the person who set up the Page Ranking scheme, designed everything, e.g. the templates, etc. is Aqua!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 20:09, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
What you're really wanting is for the talk page to pull data from the article page and the article to automatically produce a star based on which data is filled in. This kind of data storage and retrieval to and from pages is only possible through Semantic data. Now do you see why I have that userbox on my page?!? --Aquatiki - T - E 22:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
That's why I have it on MY page, too. And the idea is for the page to pull data from the talk page, i.e. transclude data from the star box... but that's transcluding a transclusion, now that I think about it... there's no tag that can be put in the star box template to say, "only transclude this bit (i.e. the word Green/Bronze/Silver) the second time" (i.e. put everything from star box onto the talk page, but when the talk page is transcluded, only transclude that small bit onto the actual artist/album/song page). Considering that this is only one small benefit, and Semantic would make the entire checklist/assigning stars automatic, we might have to go with that, unless Aqua can think of some way around this. team atalkctrb 23:01, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I've studied transclusion and parser function till I'm blue in the face. There might be a way to do the double transclusion, but the server load per page would be ginormous. I don't think I can motivate myself to find such a difficult solution, when there is such a systemic one known. --Aquatiki - T - E 23:46, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
This can probably be done with a bot, right? Is there a function to edit a page based on the results of another page? I'm still at the beginning stages of understanding this, so it might be a dumb question... team atalkctrb 20:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
You would need a bot continuously running, looking for any changes that affect song ranking. That's way for working, because you'd need to constantly change the bot to keep up with languages, policy, etc. Such functions as you speak of would have to be written, as they don't exist natively. SMW is the best way. --Aquatiki - T - E 03:00, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
I was actually just trying to answer/rephrase Redxx's question about just the star rating itself, i.e. just the color. This could be done without too much difficulty, right? Now that I think about it, {{Star Box}} and {{Song Info}}, and all templates for that matter, could insert hidden text via comments that could easily be detected by bots, and expedite this process... Actually, could that be used to expedite nearly every regex process? team atalkctrb 04:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
The bot interface we already have (pywikipedia) does not have any framework for comparing and contrasting talk pages to article pages for changes in song ranking data. I, for one, and not prepared to write that much code for something so ephemeral and leave my machine constantly on checking the recent changes. 'Better off expending that energy into a system that takes care of itself. --Aquatiki - T - E 06:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok I'll take that as a "No" then ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 17:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Automatic Talk Page creation

There is an extension for this wiki software called Pages on Demand. Use it on my own wiki and I think it would be very helpful here. I don't think we could do all that we imagine with it, but at least when a newbie clicks on a non-existent talk page, Green star stuff of the appropriate kind (Song, Album or Artist) would be created.

There is a way to do this without installing another extension, but it doesn't make the pages: it make a filled-in edit page. What do people think? --Aquatiki - T - E 04:56, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Instituted by Sean! 10:05, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Aqua can you take a look at this post please..User_talk:Team_a#Albums.2FGreen_star. Sorry, I posted it before checking rest of watchlist. Thanks.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 11:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Category:Review Me For Artists And Albums?

I'm making slow but steady progress adding a green star to all unranked albums. However, whether or not this can be confirmed when I'm done is based on my ability to write regex code that analyzes all albums correctly, and based on the fact that there are so many old versions that have never been updated, I don't think this is the right approach. The best strategy for confirming initial page ranking bot replacements (at least green stars on every page) would be through templates that assign stars.

Since I've worked on albums, here are a few possibilities of what would work in this situation:

1. Edit of the part of {{Album}} dealing with Page Ranking.

{{ #if: {{{star|}}} | {{star|{{{star}}}|Album}} | [[Category:Unrated Albums]] }}

2. To keep everything centralized in {{Star}}:

In {{Album}}:

{{star|{{{star}}}|Album}}

In {{Star}}:

<includeonly><!--
-->{{ #if {{{1|}}}<!--
   -->| <div style="float:right;">{{navimg|xsize=15|ysize=15|image=StarIcon{{{1}}}.png|link<!--
       -->={{TALKPAGENAME}}}}</div><div style="clear:right;"></div><!--
       -->[[Category:{{{1}}} {{{2}}}s]]
   -->| {{ #ifeq: {{{2|}}}<!--
       -->| Song <!--
       -->| <!-- 
       -->| [[Category:Unrated {{{2}}}s]]<!--
--></includeonly>

Note that this could add Category:Review Me to song pages, but I thought it might be too confusing or unnecessary at this point. Adding this or a new category to songs would be easy, though.

This shouldn't mess with any existing categories, so instituting it shouldn't cause any problems. Once bot edits are done, these categories can be monitored from time to time like most other "problem" categories. team atalkctrb

I think you're missing that one of the things we're trying to do with the page rank system is replace Category:Review Me (and category:Accents). The way I envision the process is as follows:
  1. We get rid of all C:RM and replace with Green stars
  2. We get rid of all C:Á and replace with Violet stars
  3. We change {{Song}} and {{Album}} to automatically make Black stars where stars=___
  4. We change all Black albums/songs to have star=Green
  5. We change {{Song}} and {{Album}} to automatically make stuff green
  6. We check all artist pages to make sure they're rated.
How does that sound? --Åqüã†ìкí ƒΔΣ § 18:02, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
I'd prefer to have the actual parameter in every {{Song}}, {{Album}} and {{Star}} on every artist page. I'm be in favor of assigning black stars automatically (probably better than a category... no shiny pictures there!), but I think it should be a requirement for being Green to have the parameter/{{Star}} somewhere on the page. I know we're trying to eliminate Category:Review Me, but it's also a good thing it's there to help us know when we're done. However, its use is inconsistent, so maybe it should be simply removed from every song page once black is the default. We might still need Category:Unrated Artists, but then again, we'll always be adding a template that doesn't exist on artist pages ({{Star}}), so I'm not too worried about double-checking the regex (via automatic category) in that case. team atalkctrb 22:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Black Stars

I think it has been pretty well agreed upon that all pages with no star defined should have a black star. This is going to be more important as Notorious and BotUm get to the bottom of the Album and Song categories and need to know which pages are left unranked. I've done the code for this, but it should be a matter of waiting on the job queue (and of being an administrator, of course). Here are my edits for

I've corrected a few things on each, because it will take a very long time for each edit to go through. There are quite a few things on {{Album}}, which is probably going to need greater discussion on that template's talk page. I've explained all of the edits on each of these pages. team atalkctrb 04:04, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Star changes implemented. --Åqüã†ìкí ƒΔΣ 05:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Needs A Fix

Talk:DragonForce:Through The Fire And Flames Sorry, I couldn't figure problem. Possibly lyrics tags, I don't know. But I would be interested to know for another time. EDIT: Since realised that the problem is general. http://www.xs4all.nl/~ernstmul/images/msn60/smile003.gif  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 19:04, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to whoever fixed this.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 09:15, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Cert icon on song page?

Unless a song is rated gold or purple, there's no way to tell from the song page whether it's been certified or not; you have to visit the talk page to find out. Why not put a little scroll Certificate (or a similar icon, maybe just the red wax seal) next to the star on certified pages? Not sure about the details and how we'd keep song and talk pages synchronised, though... Thoughts? -- 6x9 (Talk) 21:14, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

This would be great, but it's probably 100 times the work it sounds like if we want to totally integrate it into the site. We really need Semantic! Then, the scroll can automatically show up, and we can add icons for anything. With the Semantic Extension, we can finally use all the creative and helpful ideas like yours that people have posted about on this page. And, no more effort wasted filling in checklists or assigning stars on article or talk pages. Show your support! team atalkctrb 01:15, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Alright, you convinced me. Now go and collect your commission ;-) -- 6x9 (Talk) 01:47, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I get three green stars, a scroll, and a picture of a sleepy cyclops every time I do that... team atalkctrb 02:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm three levels above him in the pyramid scheme, so I get a gold watch and night on the town with David Archuleta every time he does that... --Åqüã†ìкí ƒΔΣ 10:57, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
That's how it works. Oh, guess what, 6x9: every time you get someone to join, I will personally give you a pocket calendar! It's only got 20 days on it, but it's still useful, like the number of days straight editing LW until you fall into a coma for 10 or 11 days. You wouldn't need a calendar then anyway! team atalkctrb 00:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC) Plus, I get a new set of headphones, and you don't even want to know what Aqua gets
I'm sure David Archuleta doesn't want to know either, but that's his fault for not reading the fine print. -- 6x9 (Talk) 01:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Cut me in ... http://www.xs4all.nl/~ernstmul/images/msn60/smile009.gif  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, we have to work out where you are on the pyramid. If you go in with me, I can give you a 10% discount on vowels. team atalkctrb 08:37, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Well it sounds better than 6x9's offer. He offered me 10% in base 13 and a sink full of dirty dishes!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 13:54, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
OMG, are we really doing what I hoped we weren't doing... are we that sad? :) --Mischko Talkicon EsperanzaIcon (wishing happiness, health and heaps-of-fun for 2009 to all my friends here at LyricWiki!) 11:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Haa Haa  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 00:02, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

What about singles?

Currently stars are being added to albums, artists, films and songs, but not singles. Also the template doesn't have the star parameter (and isn't mentioned when I create new pages). Is it an old template that should not be used? --Pauline 20:23, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

You're talking about the album-type single page, with the artwork, right? The {{Single}} template is going to be phased out within the next couple weeks by an upgraded version of the {{Album}} template (see Template talk:Album). When that happens, the single template will be replaced on every page, and you can use the star parameter. Since you probably didn't know that the template was being replaced like that, I have to say, good catch! For now, just wait for a bit longer until the change goes through. team atalkctrb 23:30, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
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