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Anyone speaking turkish here?

Does anyone here speak turkish and could help out with ...Aaaarrghh...? I tried as good as I could with google and their webpage, but I think especially the lyrics of the first Album are quite broken. Well thanks in Advance! :) --MetalSnake 20:50, June 7, 2010 (UTC)


Metal Archives link in artist and album footers

Any chance of including a Metal Archives link in artist and album footers, rather than having it as a separate template? Oh...and yay for making it MetalArchives instead of MetalArchivesArtist/MetalArchivesAlbum. Eeepy 05:58, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

  • Moving MA into footer would be scarcely acceptable - after all, majority of LW pages aren't metallic, though I believe that your music library is entirely metallic :). The same should be said about {{ProgArchives}}.
  • Haven't you notice that second your wish was realised already as {{MetalArchives}}?
--Senvaikis (talk) 13:35, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
Hi Senv, about (2): this is what she was asking about: merging {{MetalArchives}} into {{ArtistFooter}}/{{AlbumFooter}} as parameter ;) Yet I agree with your first argument; as every genre that is compared to the amount of all the other genres, Metal is not the mayority (no gerne covers more than 50% of all pages). - Chris 15:07, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
@Chris: maybe we should better ask Eeepy what she was asking about ;), but imo moving/merging MA info into SF/AF was exactly the first part of her wish. The second part imo speaks about merging MetalArchivesArtist/MetalArchivesAlbum into MetalArchives; that was exactly what I've done 2010-04-10 (after short discussion with 6), creating {{MetalArchives}} - it merged functionality of two previous templates {{MetalArchivesArtist}} & {{MetalArchivesAlbum}}. --Senvaikis (talk) 17:41, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
The second part wasn't a request/wish, but expressing joy/gratitude about the merging. Hence the "yay" :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 18:33, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
Seems me & Chris both have some problems with intepretting of some English expressions :). Thanks, 6. Btw, - could you remind me - where's our discussion, mentioned above? Just couldn't find it, an old sclerotic man. (Thank heavens, vacation time is comin'...) --Senvaikis (talk) 20:27, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
Not surprising, it's well hidden, with a completely unrelated header and no link to either of the templates… I only found it by looking at the date on which you created tl:MA and checking your contributions in the user talk namespace around that time. Vacation's still several weeks away for me…6×9 (Talk) 22:15, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
Senv, I'm sorry. I realised that the second was a "thanks" and not a "please", so I thought your second point was an argument about her wish, meaning "there is the MA-template to create a link". - Chris 22:41, June 19, 2010 (UTC) Vacations start in 4 weeks for me... I'm going to have more time to work then^^ ;)
Yes, the thing about the changed format of the MetalArchives template was a "thank you" for doing it and not a request. And Chris is right about what I am asking for, which is just to include MetalArchives as another link in the footer. I don't advocate having it appear in the footer of a blank artist page, but just for optional inclusion, as all links in the artist footer (and other footers, for that matter) already are. I just think it looks messy as it currently is. I like neatness :) Eeepy 14:19, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


Links on talk pages for songs

Is there any chance that the link on a song's discussion page could include more than just a link back to the song? For example: on a song page, the only link is back to the song itself. It would be great if it could also provide a link to the artist and the album, if there is one. It'd just make things a lot faster, especially when doing an album. Eeepy 11:11, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

More trouble than it's worth IMO. Linking back to the article is easy (with [[{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}]]); linking to an album page would require an additional parameter that would have to be filled in by hand. I think a better solution would be to just open the talk page in a new tab :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 14:10, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
I have already resorted to opening the talk page in a new tab and I'll continue to do so. Thanks for considering my suggestion - and yes, I do understand it won't be implemented. Kiss I am clueless about coding and it shows. If all that sounds sarcastic, it's not meant to be. Eeepy 14:25, June 22, 2010 (UTC)


Best Wikia Contest

Personally, I think LyricWiki is the best Wikia, but I'm... REALLY biased ;) If anyone else agrees with me and has some really good arguments for why this wiki rules, please comment on this blog post. The Wikia that wins gets linked to from the Wikia.com home page. That could be pretty helpful for our wiki since one of the most common complaints I get from users is that our lyrics don't show up very high in google for a lot of songs (and a link from Wikia's homepage would help our PageRank a bunch).
Thanks!
-Sean Colombo 23:17, June 17, 2010 (UTC)


My Home

Where did you get the Swedish translation? It's very lacking. :/ – Smiddle / talk 17:09, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

If you mean that they are in bad condition:
Usually, they are submitted by anyone who at least thinks to be able to translate them. Anyway, do you mean English > Swedish or the other way round? And are they declared as translation or does it say "The lyrics for this song exist in multiple languages, these are: ...". In the latter case it might happen to be a release and not a translation. Due to rhyming these tend to distinguish from the 1:1 translation for every language.
If you mean, that there are very few of them (namely just 19):
Yeah, you are right. Translations are only submitted by users who want to, we don't import them from other sites, because these are often translated by machines like Google Translate or Yahoo Babelfish and you can truly see that. Feel free to add them yourself for songs you like. A good point to start with is translating songs you like with lyrics you like, that's the way I did. My LWS tool might help you with translating, too. Have fun! =) - Chris 22:09, June 19, 2010 (UTC)
I was referring to the Swedish translation of the "My Home" page, but thanks for the information anyway. – Smiddle / talk 15:53, June 20, 2010 (UTC)
Ah now I know what you mean... These translations come from translatewiki.net - you can edit the fields after registration. - Chris 18:23, June 20, 2010 (UTC)


RSS feed broken on main page...

Apparently, the RSS extension was upgraded today and it broke the iTunes feed on the main page and potentially a bunch of our other RSS feeds. I'm not sure if this is a bug in the extension or if the new version just isn't backward-compatible. I'll be looking into it, but I'm going to be AFK for a couple of hours so if anyone else can beat me to it, pleeeease do so!
Thanks!
-Sean Colombo 18:31, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed it, nevermind :) -Sean Colombo 00:08, June 24, 2010 (UTC)


Facebook Connect

I've been working on integrating Facebook Connect with Wikia for quite a while now, and it seems to be working. It's not going to be released on all of Wikia until next week but I've just turned it on for LyricWiki. Let me know what you think! (and please report any bugs you find)
Thanks, :)
-Sean Colombo 23:54, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

I'm getting alerts that I'm not logged in, but when I press ok to become logged in, the main page tells me I already am. Happened 4 times last night. Thought you'd want to know. BeatriceBlue 18:40, February 6, 2011 (UTC)


SOTD undersupply - Urgent

Hi, we're running out of nominations. Please add some. Nominate a song for SOTD - Chris 14:17, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

It's currently running, but we still have got only 15/31 days filled for August, including preferred date nominations which of course aren't all in the first 15 days. We still urgently need SOTD Noms! Please, add some! - Chris 00:34, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


Country

What is supposed to be in the country tag of an artist? There are bands which moved from one country to another, then they are artists which have members in two (or more) different countrys (same for state and city of course). So I don't know what to fill in there. :/ --MetalSnake 09:53, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

I think, the country where the band was founded? MySpace often helps. - Chris 11:11, July 4, 2010 (UTC)


Albumcover template info

When uploading an album cover, one way to do it is to click "Upload cover" from the album page. Is there any way that the AlbumCover template could be pre-inserted into the comment field with info from the connecting album page already filled in? It seems pretty obvious to me what the fields should be - they're on the previous page. Or am I doing it wrong? :) Eeepy 09:06, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Idea will be tested with GreaseMonkey. Sound's absolutely doable. - Chris 11:00, July 14, 2010 (UTC)


Getting added to the Explicit Permission page on the linking Permission page

Hello LyricWiki Community Portal,

Me and a friend of mine have an Android and iPhone app that allows users to see the lyrics of a song by linking to lyrics on LyricWiki by opening the LyricWiki page in a browser, as per requirement mentioned on the LyricWiki:Permission page. (Great btw that you are able to provide this option!)

Now we'd like to have our app/project or our companies' names added to the 'Explicit permission' section. Currently there's only one in there (MusicBrainz). Half May we sent an email via the Special:Contact contact page, and sent a reminder end of May. But until now (July) still no answer. Maybe the emails ended up in a spamfilter?

Therefore we're trying it this way, via the Community Portal. Our question is: is it possible to get added to the 'Explicit permission' section, and if so, what would we have to do for that? (Although editing of the page seems possible, we didn't feel it to be appropriate to add our project ourselves.)

PS: apologies if this is the inappropriate place for this request; please provide a pointer where it should be placed

Best regards, Marco & Edwin — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 86.82.191.13 (talk), 11:48, July 15, 2010 (UTC).

Just that you don't think you're ignored: currently, our "headmaster" is away, I'll tell/remind him about this paragraph as soon as he's back and I see him. - Chris 00:21, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
Howdy Marco & Edwin,
That shouldn't be a problem to get added to the list. If you want me to do it, I'd like to see the app first (or at least discuss how it works) to make sure everything is okay. Feel free to contact me on my talk page or email me.
Thanks,
-Sean Colombo 20:47, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


Songs Symbol

Hey there,

from time to time I "clear out" Songs Symbol from songs that do not belong in there (f. e. accented, Cyrillic or Asian fLetters, all of which have their own categories, but are not recognized on page-creation). Now I inserted a new linkage system to the category, {{CatAZ}} was well-meant but useless of course - four fifths are before A, the other fifth is after Z ;) Now that I'm ready, I think songs with the fLetter "&" often need a fix-up, because the & is from &quot; or so. So if you're keen on work, do it^^ I currently can't. Thanks, Chris 00:29, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


Gracenote updates

GracenoteBot is applying another large batch of Gracenote updates. Here is the lowdown on what he's doing at the moment:

  • New songs being added: 9,998
  • Songs being updated: 539
  • Songs being taken down: 1,014

As always, feel free to keep an eye on him to see if you spot any errors.
Thanks!
-Sean Colombo 20:52, July 22, 2010 (UTC)


Auntie M (but not Toto)

Can someone with administrator-type powers do something about the band M and their songs? Perhaps move everything to "M (band)" or "M (UK)" (since there's already an "M (DE)")? Links to the currently-existing song pages don't work correctly because, it appears, "M:" is a reserved Wikia shortcut. Trainman 02:15, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Ah, yeah "M" is an interwiki link in Wikia. Unfortunately, even page-move functionality doesn't work for those pages because we can't even access the source-pages. I went into the database and changed the page names manually to be M (UK). It's a little ugly (there will probably be some out-of-date metadata until the pages get edited) but it appears to have worked. There is some weirdness from the Gracenote pages (since they're in another namespace, the pages work fine, they just don't link to corresponding LW pages correctly). For now I've just left GN as-is.
Thanks for bringing this up!
-Sean Colombo 08:09, August 9, 2010 (UTC)


Youtube, I tube. We all tube.

Why does this wiki not have youtube videos for very song? They are on youtube, so people watch them for free, so it doesn't matter if we put it here too. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Deathsculler (talkcontribs), 21:49, August 6, 2010 (UTC).

Hehe, for the same reason why we don't have all the lyrics and why not every song has all its albums assigned to it: because it has to be done manually and it wasn't done for every song yet.
Furthermore, many songs are not published by people who are licensed to do. The videos are copyright infringements and may be muted, blocked or deleted by YouTube. Therefore we usually try to avoid linking to inofficial contents on YouTube.
However, if you want, put the IDs into the {{SongFooter}}. - Chris 13:05, August 7, 2010 (UTC)


Achievements

There is a pretty new feature on Wikia that's a lot of fun: Achievements. I'm going to turn them on now since I keep seeing them on the test wikis and being jealous that I can't play too ;).

Basically, if you do certain things you get badges - edit a certain number of times, upload images, there is even a track of Achievements for how many days in a row you edit. Achievements show up on your user-page and there's a Leaderboard to see what other cool badges other LyricWikians are earning. It's fun! :) However, if for some reason you don't like them, you can go to your Preferences page ('Misc' tab) and turn them off for yourself.

Achievements have the ability to have the icons and names customized per-wiki, so we'll probably get on that pretty soon to make them more LyricWiki-ish.

Hope you enjoy the Achievements!
-Sean Colombo 21:45, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Don't you think that LW should (if may) introduce it's own, specific to LW, badges (f.e., for most active new lyrics posters, AOTW & SOTD nominants, songs translators etc.)? And specific weight of these badges should be higher compared to common editions, imo. --Senvaikis (talk) 14:59, August 10, 2010 (UTC)
It's hard to track that because the achivements are always "editing X pages in category Y". I don't know if it's possible to change that. - Chris 13:32, August 11, 2010 (UTC)
I don't know if we can make completely custom achievements & award them manually, or what (I'll ask). Like Chris said, though, there are X in Category Y if we could figure out a way to make that work for some of these things. -199.102.47.102 04:34, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Small additional note, when you earn an Achievement, now it should show up in Special:WikiActivity as of about 2 minutes ago ;) -Sean Colombo 21:50, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


Lady GaGa to Lady Gaga

Why is the second 'G' in Lady Gaga's name capitalized? According to the following sites, it's "Lady Gaga":

Just Google Lady Gaga and all of the results are "Lady Gaga." Why should LyricWiki be any different? fingernails 07:09, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Probably because iTunes capitalizes the second 'G', as apparently does Gracenote. Though I agree that it should probably be changed to "Gaga," as per the above sites and her official site (see title; everything else is all caps). ~ Backgammon 23:02, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
So does anyone object to batchmoving her to "Lady Gaga"? — 6×9 (Talk) 17:18, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
Me not. (I don't?) - Chris 21:21, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


Idea

I prefer to use LyricWiki when searching for lyrics, but it almost never shows up in the top ten hits when searching for "song name/artists name lyrics". I think it would be great if there was a Chrome and Firefox extension for LyricWiki, so I could search from within the browser. 216.38.133.254 21:23, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Use the add-on "Add to Searchbar" (AMO 3682). The searchbar will get a blue glooming arrow when you're on the mainpage, and you can select to add the search "LyricWiki (en)". If you define "lyric" as keyword, then lyric Artist Name:Song Name in the addressbar will get you to the lyrics-page. - Chris 23:48, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
Awesome, thank you! 216.38.133.254 17:36, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


code fLetter: what's the rule?

I'm editing Katie Melua:The House (2010) and the system put fLetter = T and i changed it in "H" ! what's the rule again, please ? if this will be "T", it means they are like 3 billions titles with "T" --- Krn02 09:11, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

According to Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Albums#fLetter it's supposed to be "T" for albums starting with "The". -- Snago TC 09:38, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
thanks Krn02 11:03, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, we use the real first letter and do not omit articles. We also do not sort articles to the end. The Kinks, not Kinks, The, and fLetter T, not K. This applies for every language. - Chris 17:03, August 22, 2010 (UTC)


Emoticons for LyricWiki!

Hi,

LyricWiki has got a new template: {{Emoticon}}; there is a shortcut at "{{emo}}". For available emoticons, see the template page. If you miss any important emoticon, request it at the template's talk page. - Chris 02:10, August 24, 2010 (UTC) Smile Test, test, one two one two Grin Wink

usage question: print whole album

Hi,

is there an option to print the lyrics of a whole album? it's inconvenient to click each song and save the lyrics separately.

br — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.186.71.131 (talk), 18:37, August 25, 2010 (UTC).

Hi, as far as I know we do not have any special print-options other than the common MediaWiki's. But why do you save them seperately? Do you want to combine them into one file before printing it? - Chris 02:29, August 26, 2010 (UTC)


Gracenote no comprende espanol?

I've noticed a few times that if I go to the Gracenote page for a Spanish song - which one would presume means that it's been cleared through Gracenote - and then click the link on that page to the Lyricwiki version, the Lyricwiki version will still have the Gracenote takedown. But if it's on Gracenote, shouldn't it be put back up? NYCScribbler 14:56, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, any time the Gracenote version of a song exists, the LyricWiki version should also. This is just a bug in the way GracenoteBot was written... it didn't anticipate how to handle songs that were on the Gracenote takedown list coming off of that list later. That definitely needs to be fixed! -Sean Colombo 15:01, August 28, 2010 (UTC)
Hence I had to edit the template for the inclusion of the link to the Job Exchange anyway, I included a bit that hopefully will help us to find the returners:
{{#ifexist:Gracenote:{{PAGENAME}}|[[Category:Takedown with Gracenotepage]]}}
Hope that works/helps. The idea and code are taken from the template {{Song}}. - Chris 11:53, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
Oh snap, they do not appear in the category until they're touched once... Sad - Chris 11:56, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
Senv helped me and touched the pages - Category:Takedown with Gracenotepage, there are all songs we've to bring back again. - Chris 21:34, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


Can't find lyrics to keywords representing band names

Dear all,

For some time now, it appears that the search in the wiki has had a complete overhaul. I think this happened when the site was completely revamped, a year ago or something.

The point is, before, when searching for any keyword, lyrics would pop up containing the keyword in either the song or the band name.

Now, when searching for a keyword that happens te be exactly like a band name, ONLY that band shows up. For example: just now, I wanted to search for lyrics containing the keyword 'cupid'. There happens to be a band in the database called Cupid, so the only result I am getting is the band page. There seems to be no way to search for lyrics from that point.

Is there any way to circumvent these band names?

TIA, Marvel -- 77.182.88.126 11:00, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

Try using Special:Search. -- Snago TC 12:35, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, you get there by clicking on the magnifier glass in the sidebar. - Chris 15:37, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
Great! That works. Thanks guys. Marvel. -- 193.173.56.223 15:20, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


Getting song pages to follow artist redirects

I think if a page is a redirect then all sub-pages should also redirect. e.g. ギルガメッシュ redirects to Girugamesh, so ギルガメッシュ:Break Down should redirect to Girugamesh:Break Down. Is this possible or do I have to create individual redirects for each song? -- ConsumeTheSky 21:54, September 10, 2010 (UTC)

That's supposed to happen automatically (using an extension we wrote called ImpliedRedirects), but it appears to be broken. I'll look into it.
Actually, it looks like it's working for ascii characters: Tupac:California Love works. I thought this was a problem before & I kinda thought we had fixed it. Guess not... -Sean Colombo 22:38, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
Yep, we haven't figured out how to make it work with Unicode yet for some reason. Please see the full thread here. -Sean Colombo 23:44, September 10, 2010 (UTC)


What can the API be used for?

What applications can the fair-use snippet in the API be used for? What attribution needs to be given when using the API? Thank you! -- 174.71.84.188 00:56, September 23, 2010 (UTC)Ron

If you're just using the fair-use snippet, you can use that pretty much wherever and however you want (as far as I know). Attribution is up to you, but it's nice to do :) -70.42.129.157 21:53, February 1, 2011 (UTC)


Transcluding Albums into Artist Pages?

I've been editing the James Brown page, and it's a lot of work correcting all the mistakes, particularly when every change requires several edits to keep all the pages in sync. Would it make sense to transclude the album pages into the artist page, and use the "noinclude" tag on all album footers to keep them out of the artist pages (or "includeonly" on the main body)? I tried it out using the sandbox, and it looks almost identical to the current way. --Mu mind 13:02, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

This idea isn't new – not surprising, since it's a good one :-) Here is the last time it was discussed. Maybe we'll manage to convince BM this time. BTW, you'd want "onlyinclude" tags around the tracklist, not "includeonly".6×9 (Talk) 13:36, October 12, 2010 (UTC)


AllMusic links

Just a heads-up that the page URLs on Allmusic.com have changed, and now contain the "AMG Album ID" or "AMG Artist ID" -- no longer those database references starting with "10:" or "11:" that they'd been using forever.

It appears that existing Allmusic links here still work, but our handler can't handle the new equivalent. But the good news, perhaps, is that Allmusic.com is now using the same references as Akuma.de. Trainman 16:37, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice! I've fixed the template so it should allow both old and new format. Let me know if you stumble across a page where it doesn't work. Search is still broken though; I'll try and figure that one out tomorrow. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:01, October 12, 2010 (UTC)


Stars in My Eyes

And as long as I'm giving heads-ups today, the stars don't look quite right on the new Wikia page design, at least how I'm seeing it right now, with Firefox 3.x on Windows XP -- for example, on song pages, the star hangs down a bit into the lyrics box. Trainman 17:00, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

We'll need to figure out a position that works with the new skin. I'd rather not put it back in its original place; it was OK on song pages, but on artist and album pages the info box was pushed down, and there was a blank line at the top where only the star resided. A waste of space and with the new skin space has become immensely valuable :-/6×9 (Talk) 18:10, October 12, 2010 (UTC)


New Wikia look coming to LyricWiki soon (early! :D)

Setting it up

Howdy, if you've been watching the Wikia blog, you know about the "New Look" that Wikia has been working on. Several LyricWikians are also in the private Beta test.

Well, I've got some good news (which I already spoiled by the section-name... doh!) and that's that LyricWiki will be getting the new look very soon (in minutes!). We'll probably get it within the next day or two. If you want to take a peek at it, the new skin is already enabled on a few wikis for testing - such as Muppet Wiki, TrueBlood Wiki, and a handful of others.

I've grown to really like the new skin, so I thought enabling the skin early would be a great opportunity for us to kick the tires before everyone else (and we might get some bonus traffic from other people who want to see the new skin early!).

What this means for you! - there are a few things that are notable about this switch.

  1. It's fixed-width. This annoyed a few wikis, but it actually looks great (in my opinion) on lyrics pages since lyrics aren't very wide anyway. It's a bit of an adjustment to get used to on talk pages. The main thing I can reassure you with though, is that I was hesitant of the new skin for a while, but I've been using it for a couple of months now, and now when I log out and accidentally see the old skin (Monaco), it looks really, really bad to me by comparison and I instantly switch back.
  2. Monaco is going away. This is primarily because it's really hard to maintain a number of new skins. People can still use Monobook (which is kind of Buyer-Beware since we don't work on it that much), but it'll let us make more improvements faster since we're working on one skin.

Let me know your thoughts about it! :) It's still new, so we've got a lot more speed-improvements and such that we're working on, so it's only going to get better.
-Sean Colombo 00:36, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Oops, false-start ;) Released it for a second and cleared all of our caches and the site slowed way down. We have to be more careful with how we turn it on since LyricWiki is so big. Going to try it again tomorrow!
-Sean Colombo 00:54, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
Couldn't be that private of a beta test if even I was invited to enable the new skin.
So far, other than the stars (see above), my main annoyance is that it's not as obvious that a Talk page is nonexistent (instead of looking for the red "Talk" link on a tab, I have to notice that the speech balloon says "0") -- I can see myself forgetting to enter Page Ranking info in the future.
Other than that, I guess I just have to get used to where all the links are now. I had a hard time finding "Follow" earlier today, for whatever reason, but now I know where it is. And knowing is half the battle. Trainman 01:03, October 15, 2010 (UTC)

Visited link colour

After using the new skin for about two weeks, my main annoyance is now that there's no distinction between visited and unvisited links. When I'm editing, I often find it helpful to know which songs I've clicked on previously (e.g., attempting to make sense of a gigantic "Other Songs" list on an artist page). Trainman 17:12, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

If you use Firefox, install the add-on Stylish. Create a domain-wide stylesheet for lyrics.wikia.com and insert this CSS definition:
a:visited {color: purple !important;}
This will shade visited links in purple f. e. - Chris 17:41, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Fixed width

The fixed-width doesn't help on many lyric subpages where the transl(iter)ation and original are side-by-side, line-by-line using {{Translation}}. Perhaps only on pages where {{Translation}} is called, enable variable-width, if possible? --Geopgeop 04:15, October 18, 2010 (UTC)

But as all viewers have the same width, you can align the lyrics by multiple linebreaks and be sure it matches all other resolutions, too. So it actually helps to align them. - Chris 19:00, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

Text search and highlighting

Pretty annoying with the new look : since the song text is not any more a text, WE CANNOT MAKE A SEARCH for a word or a sentence !!! if you want to make a search, you have to edit the song ! i hate that -- Krn02 14:16, October 26, 2010 (UTC)

First: who is "we"? Second: what search do you mean? The Firefox searchbar (Ctrl+F) does find and highlight matches in the lyricsbox as it always did. - Chris 19:00, October 26, 2010 (UTC)
"we" is, i suppose, "any user" + firefox's CTRL-F does NOT work any more in the said lyricsbox, the yellow one, since it's not possible to select/highlight text as well (as it is explained on the FAQ page (the very first section)) ! Krn02 09:40, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
This isn't related to the new skin, though -- the lyrics box works the same in both new and old.
If the search-on-a-page functionality is very important to you, you might try a different browser, which may handle the Javascript differently. With Safari on the Mac, for example, Command-F works fine to find and highlight within the lyrics box. I believe that's because Safari's "find" highlighting has a different functionality from "selection" highlighting, whereas on Firefox, they seem more closely related (i.e., they "look" the same). It's "selection" highlighting that's deliberately being blocked, as the FAQ refers to. Trainman 17:12, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
For Firefox, there's the add-on GreaseMonkey and there is userscripts.org, but even without that tools, search still works for me: Screencast video - Chris 17:53, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

interesting: the text of any song is a text again, yeah, and the search function does work again! ...by the way (for trainman), i use firefox and i'm not going to change because of (old) lyricwiki bad design -- Krn02 05:38, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Z-Orders

Different Z-orders in FF & IE: Wasn't going to describe here what I think about all these 'beauties' of the new skin, but this little one was too irresistible: if you are IE-adopt, then before deleting any page, marked for deletion, now you must open this page for edit, remove deletion template, save the page and only then you'll be able to delete it! The reason is very 'serious': html elements have different z-orders in IE and FF. Deletion pop-up menu appears in FF without any problems (Delete in FF), while in IE it's partially hidden (Delete in IE), making deletion just impossible. No more comments :). Wait, just one question - what for have I got a huge monitor, if usefull part of LW page takes only measly 680px of it's enormous width? --Senvaikis (talk) 13:34, November 4, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, strange. That ul-element has z-index 100. The version history has z-index 20 million (to be assured, I guess). What z-index does the template have? But try Alt+Shift+D (accesskey for "deletion"), might be faster as anything else. I'm currently waiting for some time to try to hack the site and make a Stylish-stylesheet available for full-width. - Chris 20:23, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
Have you ever tried this kbd shortcut on IE, Chris? I suspect you haven't, otherwise you'd knew it doesn't work :). But truth to tell, it's not a big problem for me (using mostly FF @LW) - issue was used just an illustration for the main new skin's sin: functionality now is secondary matter compared to it's exterior. No need to go far for a next sample: take the same action of page deletion. When I see a page flagged for deletion, usually I want to assure that page may be actually deleted (f.e., the deletion reason is "no lyrics", but lyrics may be just accidentally remarked). So, I'm opening the page for edit, see that page should be deleted, but then I suddenly realise that just can't delete this page right now - there's no "delete" link in edit page anymore! So, - the same song - I must exit from edit window, returning back to the page, and only then delete it. Or I'm just very unobservant, and this "delete" link does exist on edit page? But even then I'd say that's a bad functional design, not a user ;) nite, ---Senvaikis (talk) 22:26, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
For IE: open the dropdown, press Alt+D to select the shortcut, press Enter to click on it. But I have to admit that Oasis looks horrible in IE. The dropdown has no background-colour, and is underneath the complete article. I can't even access the deletelink when there's no deletion template on, because the drowdown is below the Song template, too. I'm testing it with IE Beta 9. It's not as bad as IE 8 anymore, it passes the Acid3 test with 100%. Even Firefox has only 96%. Obviously, wikia is too focused on Firefox atm. - Chris 16:49, November 5, 2010 (UTC)


Merging LOTR and Howard Shore

A suggestion: shouldn't The Lord Of The Rings soundtrack be merged into Howard Shore's page? --LYRIC-Stormwatch 03:54, October 15, 2010 (UTC)


Translated lyrics

Hi everyone,

I have a question regarding translations of lyrics. Some translations are to be found on the main page (like here), other translations can be found on a separate page (like here). Which way is the better one? I think there should be a stndard, at least for lyrics of the same artist/band. --Kopf101 09:53, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

There is a standard; see Help:Translations. It's still fairly new, however, and a lot of songs haven't been updated yet and still have the translation on the main page. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:59, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
Ah, okay, thanks :) --Kopf101 10:37, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
I think that categories for translated songs might be broken. For example, Language/Bengali should contain several of my contributions, but it does not. For example Geeta Dutt:Nishi Raat Baanka Chand Akashe is missing, even though the song page lists the language as a categorisation. ShaheedHaque 19:31, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
Yes, some categories trend to 'forget' their members for some still unknown reason. There's only one surefire method to 'refresh their memory' - any kind of edit on potential members of category. So, after null-edit (or 'touching' - just opening and saving without any changes) on mentioned song it reappeared in Bengali songs category. hth,--Senvaikis (talk) 22:47, December 17, 2010 (UTC)
Indeed, I had spotted that. But after a while, I gave up on that. I sure hope this gets fixed soon. ShaheedHaque 00:11, December 18, 2010 (UTC)


Featured Artists

On most pages for songs that have featured artists, the singer's name would appear in brackets ([]) above each part that they sang. But when I was reading the lyrics to B.o.B:Airplanes, I saw that the singer's name wasn't in brackets, but wrapped in both italic and bold marks. I've been doing this for all the featured songs I come by, but I really need some help. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mace170 (talkcontribs), 20:25, November 4, 2010 (UTC).

I always prefer bold and italic, as [ ] brackets are reserved and ( ) brackets usually belong to the lyrics. - Chris 16:40, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
So you'll help change all the featured singer's to bold and italic rather than brackets? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mace170 (talkcontribs), 21:48, November 5, 2010 (UTC).
As it is only optical and not functional, it's not an urgent issue. You needn't do that. I always do that if I come across any page with it and have the time to change it (i.e. I'm not in a series of automated edits) - Chris 03:46, November 6, 2010 (UTC) P.S.: Please sign your posts with 4 tildes: ~~~~


On references, or "How do I know this is true?"

Hi all. I'm fresh off Wikipedia and would love to help out here, at least with getting my favourite band lyrics in tip-top shape. As a Wikipedian (admin), I'm used to constantly being on the lookout for unreferenced claims (there's A LOT of subtle trolls out there), and as such when I came here it struck me as odd that you just add a credits section to songs without any "proof" that it is true. Of course I realize that not everyone want to go hunting for sources, but it's something worth thinking about.

In Ulver:Østenfor Sol Og Vestenfor Måne I have given an example of how one could mention how we know that these persons actually composed the song. It uses {{reflist}}, which could be prettier but that would require tweaking the CSS layouts and I don't have that kind of access Smile.

Anyway, what made me think about this was when I added a composer without actually knowing if it was true. I just thought "Hey, he plays the majority of the instruments on the demo, so he probably composes the songs as well". Then later I started having second thoughts and went googling, and it turns out he's NOT the sole composer of the band, so I went ahead and removed the claim again. I wonder how many more wrong credits are here? Sourcing our credits claims would help clear these kind of things up.

I'm not suggesting a purge of unsourced claims, but rather that we encourage a uniform way of sourcing our claims. Anyone have any thoughts about this? --Lhademmor (/M.P./) 13:25, November 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hi Lhademmor and welcome here at LyricWiki.
First I'd like to thank you for actively participating in the project. It's always cool to have users that have ideas for it. Now let me reply to your post:
The thoughts you have are typical for Wikipedians heading over to LW. There are several "problems" or things that seem strange to them... One is the page naming convention (every contentpage's title has the first letter uppercased for each word), the second is the template-dependency of LW (estimated 95% of our content are lists, templates or in between the lyrics-tags), and the third point is how we handle our content, which is the point you're asking about.
As a matter of fact, LyricWiki is not an encyclopedia of lyrics. So we neither raise a claim to be complete nor correct. This applies to the lyrics, the bands and the additional information we provide to anything:
  • Every content belonging here is welcome. We do not delete artistpages because of irrelevance, to name a very big difference to Wikipedia. If you had a band in your hometown, you may have an artistpage here.
  • A little is better than nothing. There's not something like "quality standards" in the sense of Wikipedian criteria. So even a lyrics page with just one third or maybe even less of the lyrics is better than nothing (except it's wrong or horribly formatted, but we usually try to format a page before we'd delete it).
  • A comprehensible redirect is good. We have masses of redirects around here, but we do not delete them (deliberately). In our opinion every correct redirect is worth its existance, because it leads a searching user who made a mistake to the correct page and the content he was searching for. I miss that mentality at Wikipdia, btw Grin
  • Slightly wrong content is better than no content. This seems strange, but it becomes clear with the following example: "We got some sand in our stilettos" instead of "We don't mind sand in our stilettos" (example taken from California Gurls) is still much better than no content or questionmarks, isn't it? There's a saying which meets the mentality here best I think: do as good as you can, but don't agonize. If something is wrong and someone knows better or feels "offended" about any wrong information, he may edit it.
So to keep it easy for our users, we do not require or encourage sourcing, not until it comes to editwars or discussions about correctness. Then we try to find the sources. So yes, it may be that the composers, lyricists and such are wrong sometimes. But as people usually enter additional information in an extra step, I assume they edit because they know. Why should one exert himself elsewise?
This is what I think is the situation around here. If I'm wrong and we really just didn't think about sourcing such information so far, the others will correct me Wink. - Chris 22:24, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
Hi Chris, thank you very much for the detailed answer! Yes, I guess I need a little while to get used to the new mentality Smile. Anyway, to get back to Agalloch:This Old Cabin: It's an old song from a demo tape which was only released in 200 copies. As such I have absolutely no idea who composed it, even though I've googled all over the place. That's what's keeping the song from a Gold rating. What's the recommended course of action here? To be content with a Silver rating and just hope that someday someone from the band comes along and recalls the details?
But hey, maybe I'm putting too much into the whole page ranking business - what can I say, I'm a sucker for visual results and The Stunningly Stellar Star-o-Meter got me hooked :P --Lhademmor (M.P.) 08:52, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
Knowing nothing about Agalloch other than what I just read on Wikipedia: since they're from the Pacific Northwest, is it possible that "This Old Cabin" is a cover of a song a couple decades prior? In the BMI database, there's a song called "This Old Cabin" written by a man named Harlan Weniger, who appears to have been in a couple of obscure bands in the Pacific Northwest in the late '60s/early '70s.
Since I'm someone who's added a bunch of songwriting credits here: I can assure you, I don't guess at them. I'm usually either looking at the liner notes on an actual CD, or the BMI or ASCAP database searches, or Wikipedia (and, yes, I know Wikipedia's not 100% accurate on songwriting credits -- I do try to verify elsewhere if something looks seriously fishy). Trainman 03:58, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Thoughts on a mobile app?

Hiya,
There are a bunch of mobile apps for lyrics. Many of which use the LyricWiki:API... but I thought it'd be cool if we made our own open-source LyricWiki mobile app also. I've started playing with the Appcelerator Titanium framework which can be used to make Android and iPhone/iPad apps pretty easily (BlackBerry support coming in a couple of months supposedly).

Does anyone have any thoughts on the app that they'd like me to know about? Cool ideas are always welcome, but even if you just want to reiterate which features are most important to you (maybe the speed and percentage-of-matches-found are the only things important to you? Perhaps you want an app you can browse to find cool stuff when you're bored?

One quick note: this is meant to be a lyrics app rather than a good mobile interface for the site. At the moment, I'm not planning on making it a full GUI for the wiki (eg: probably won't see talk-pages on it). Wikia is planning on a general mobile app which should make mobile usage of the site itself a lot easier though.

Once there is something worth showing, I'll put the code in Wikia's public SVN repository and put up a link.

Let me know your thoughts! Thanks! :)
-Sean Colombo 17:59, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Any news about progress in making us mobile? (next 2 weeks - without broadband link)--Senvaikis (talk) 08:44, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
Wow, this thread is old. The app is out for Android and iOS now :) Grab it here: LyricWiki Mobile App
-Sean Colombo (talk) 20:52, September 10, 2012 (UTC)


Can someone finish some partial lyrics

I vahe already asked from one user to finish these, but he told that this could be a god place to post a request. So if anyone has time, you could finish these lyrics.

-- Prybar 13:00, November 27, 2010 (UTC)

Two things: (1) The language is called "Deutsch" (you missed the s) Wink. (2) I'd love to do it, but unfortunately, Sony requested to block this videos for (at least) Germany. Modern discrimination... Sad - Chris 15:32, February 13, 2011 (UTC)


Suggestion for credits

Hello everyone,

I have a suggestion regarding the credits section on the song pages. I think it would be nice if there were templates similar to the "Genres" and "Labels" ones on artist pages. For example, the templates

{Composer|Number 1|Number 2|Number 3}
{Lyricist|Number 4|Number 5}

could create

Credits

*Composer: Number 1, Number 2 and Number 3
*Lyrics by Number 4 and Number 5

Of course, we would need another template for "Written by". I think this would be nice for two reasons:

  1. there would be categories like "Songs written by..."
  2. the formatting would look the same on all song pages

What do you think? --Kopf101 10:03, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

I am willing to switch to using a template for the credits if one gets created, although I'd strongly suggest coming up with one single template, rather than the three different templates that you suggest above.
I also have to say that I don't like the term "composer" used with the rock/pop music that dominates here (it seems too "classical"). I also don't like "written by," which seems a bit too ambiguous when it's used here: does it mean just the lyrics -- since the music obviously isn't being presented here -- or does it mean both the music and the lyrics?
That's why I use "Music and lyrics by (name)" -- or "Music by (name); lyrics by (name)" -- which seem to me to be the most elegant, yet clear, method of presenting the information. Trainman 17:05, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
I agree with you, I just wanted to suggest a template in general. I would also prefer something like "Music by" and "Lyrics by". One template would be enough for that. :) --Kopf101 17:57, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
The reasons we never created such a template (although it has been suggested a few times in the past) are that (1) using the template wouldn't really save the editors any work and (2) it wouldn't be as flexible as a simple header with bullet points. The credits section can contain a lot of additional information besides composer/lyricist, like musicians, recording dates and/or locations, "contains a sample of…" etc.
We could justify such a template if we used it to put the text in a pretty box though :-) Maybe something roughly like this (which could accomodate the trivia section as well):
Music by:This guy
Lyrics by:That guy
More textcan go here
and it can have multiple lines too
On a related topic, I've recently seen {{ArtistInfo}} used on album pages. Might as well get a complete set… — 6×9 (Talk) 18:55, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
Hm, ok, I see the point. Still, another pro would be that there would also be the category "songs missing credits"... IMO additional credits could still be added if we had a section called "writers". I also like the idea with the pretty box. --Kopf101 19:13, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
Regarding the box, I start the credits line with a space, so it appears in a grey box, which is not pretty, but a box nonetheless :-) Darknite 20:55, December 8, 2010 (UTC)
I Implemented a template called {{CreditBox}}. You can see it in action at Weto:Tief. Regarding the type of entries I oriented myself on Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Songs#Credits. Now that I see the table above I'm asking myself if that design is better for this purpose; it is far more compact. -- Salandas 03:25, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
Because I needed to extend the Template a bit, I decided to switch the design to the beautiful table above. The colors still do not match to the <lyrics>-one, but are better than before. (old Version) The Template now features following fields:
  • Written by:
  • Music by: (only when "Written by:" not set)
  • Lyrics by: (only when "Written by:" not set)
  • Arrangement: (for the case that the arrangement happened seperately)
  • Musicians: (intended for a list of the Musicians actually playing this song, most bands change their lineup permanently, so the credits go to the right persons)
  • More Infos: (Trivia or so...)
--Salandas 17:27, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
Nice! For the mock-up above I went with the same color scheme as {{TranslatedSong}}, since that one was designed by LWChris, who's our resident web design expert.
One small suggestion: I'd replace the rather generic "More Info" header with "Trivia" and add an optional custom field (or two), like header1/text1 in {{ArtistInfo}}, so people can add more esoteric stuff like recording date/location etc. Oh, and maybe a "Produced by" field… — 6×9 (Talk) 20:53, January 7, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your feedback. since I'm not a webdesign expert I take the colors for good now. I agree to your feedback, so this is the changelist:
  • More Infos is now Trivia
  • Added fields Produced by and Co-Produced by (since they are often there, too)
  • Added 5 custom fields (since you don't know what ideas others might have besides location and date, I thought 5 might be better ;-) )
The documentation is up to date, too. — Salandas (Talk) 21:40, January 7, 2012 (UTC)


akuma

Some time ago LW's contract with akuma ran out, so we don't have to keep the links around. Also some time ago they changed their link format, and now many album links don't work (and can't be fixed without a lot of effort). Does anyone actually find these links useful? If not, a cyborg will remove them shortly. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:29, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

IMO these links can be removed. --Kopf101 17:58, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
The only thing that speaks for akuma is that it's a german site. But I'm ok with AllMusic. Darknite47 18:31, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, the info seems redundant w/allmusic IDs now. Safe to remove.
-Sean Colombo 22:06, January 6, 2011 (UTC)


Wrong page rankings

Hi,

I have noticed that there are many gold song pages, artist pages and album pages that souldn't be gold according to the criteria. For example, I have seen many songs by Ali Project that are ranked gold but are not certified and don't have someone watching them. Maybe a bot could solve the song problem by setting all songs that are not watched by someone back to bronze? Otherwise it looks like a lot of work to do. There are also some albums and artists that are ranked gold although many (or most) of the songs are still green. --Kopf101 00:17, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

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