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Say hi to Kyle!

Thought I'd introduce you guys to Kyle who works on Wikia's Community Team. He's helping oversee a lot of the transition work so that we can iron out all of the problems. Once we get that all tamed, he'll still be around... it's basically his job to help grow LyricWiki and make it as awesome as possible :) So he's cool.
-Sean Colombo 19:12, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
PS: If you've been watching the bug list on my talk page, then you're already familiar with TOR. He's one of the developers and he's been tearing through that bug list quite fast (nice to not be the lone person w/server access anymore!).

Hi! It's awesome to have LyricWiki here. :) You've probably seen me around making small changes to some MediaWiki messages and templates to help finish getting everything set up. We're super-close to getting everything up and running, but LyricWiki is a pretty complicated place, and making everything work, as well as doing some of the new stuff that we have to do to keep the record industry happy, has been a lot of work. Over the short term, here are some changes you will notice:
  • Advertising: As a logged-in user, you should notice fewer ads than you saw before. The only ads that you will see are two ads on the homepage, spotlights for other wikis, and the ring tone ads. Unfortunately, our agreement with Gracenote required us to remove the option to disable ring tone ads for logged-in users. As an aside, if you understand CSS, you can customize how the site looks to you personally by editing your personal monaco.css file (if you are using Monaco). Using that, you can change colors, hide certain elements within the page, and do all sorts of other stuff. You can read more about it here. You may want to create a custom skin--take a look at WoWWiki and FFXIclopedia for inspiration.
  • Gracenote pages: We will be creating a separate namespace called "Gracenote" which will have the official versions of about 300,000 lyrics that Gracenote will provide for us. We will need to adjust the template for lyrics within the main namespace to add a link to these lyric pages if the same page exists within the Gracenote namespace, but other than adding the link, the main namespace lyric pages won't have to change (both can exist). The official Gracenote pages won't be editable, and we have to add in a bunch of extra security to help prevent people from saving or copying those pages, but because they're separate from everything else, we don't anticipate that these restrictions will cause any headaches.
  • Search engine tweaks: I have asked some of the search engine experts at Wikia to take a look at LyricWiki and help boost the search engine ratings. We'll be putting links elsewhere on Wikia to help boost it too. For most of these changes, I'll present them to you guys so you can take a look and provide any feedback before we make them live. I have some ideas for how to make the homepage automatically present things in the correct language, and for some tweaks for the category structure. I'll let you know when I have more to show on this.
If you have any questions at all, please don't hesitate to ask! I'll be checking this page often, but you can also shoot me a message on my talk page, or shoot me an email at
Thanks! --KyleH@fandom (talk) 19:39, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
Hi KyleH
Thanks for the update, also for your efforts (and of course TOR's) in resolving the problems resulting from the move. Sean has created a great site and through his efforts has won the support and respect of some great people (like me of course ;), so it's good to know that his legacy is set to live on.
And to any of our users who may not be entirely happy about the move, just remember that sometimes things have to change in order to grow. Cheers!  Яєdxx Actions Words 00:56, September 13, 2009 (UTC) Apologies, I've not been here as much recently so I've only just seen this.

{{Album}} and {{Film}}

Thanks to various new parser functions that have become available since the move, the "Released" parameter in the above templates is no longer necessary, since the year can be extracted from the pagename. (This will also avoid cases where a user changes the parameter without moving the page accordingly.) — 6×9 (Talk) 09:10, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know if this has anything to do with the above, but when you click on album link, it wants to create artist page. De Pre Historie 1950 (1999)  Яєdxx Actions Words 06:54, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
That's because there's no colon in the pagename. That's nothing new. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:19, September 13, 2009 (UTC)
Duh!  Яєdxx Actions Words 16:55, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Song of the Day

I have made a few changes to the above, one being to make the format on the Main Page the same as the Album of the Week. I think it looks much better and I hope you like too.

Another change I've made is to create a category for the winners of Song of the Day and also Album of the Week. So that's another good reason to nominate!  Яєdxx Actions Words 03:14, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia in SongFooter?

Should we keep the wikipedia parameter in {{SongFooter}}? I once (way back when) requested its inclusion, because the {{Wikipedia}} template didn't look too great on song pages, but now {{WP-Song}} does a pretty good job (even with the revamped {{Instrumental}} template, which I suspect Kiefer and Red have grown to like far more than they're willing to admit). So… keep it (and fix it so the link actually works) or remove it? — 6×9 (Talk) 11:40, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

One thing I know for sure: we must pursue minimize ambiguity where it's possible. Leaving wp in SF seems for me (& Lwt ;) simpler, handier, more homologous and logical (isn't it external link eventually?), but that doesn't seem very important for me and further I do know R&K will not agree :). So, instead of voting "for" one of forms I vote against leaving both. cheers, --Senvaikis (talk) 13:06, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
Wasn't it decided that Wikipedia was supposed to show up automatically as a link in the External Links if there wasn't a {{WP-Song}} on the page? The parameter isn't necessary. I think that this change got lost in some of the, uh...confusion that was going on at the time of the discussion.
Senv, one of the purposes of the Wikipedia badge at the top (as opposed to hiding it in the External Links section is so that people don't feel that they need to add encyclopedic info to the page. No sense in doubling what WP already does, and does (thanks to their millions of editors) better than we could. That would certainly be less logical, yes?  :-]
Yes, I like the instrumental template now, btw. I believe I said so at the time that the change took place. It wasn't that I was opposed to any change of the template itself, just the change in losing the original's inner border which made the words get lost visually. The more graphic version is a wonderful improvement, which ensures that the information needed doesn't get lost.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   16:23, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
I was just kidding, you know. (Well, in your case anyway, not sure about Red… *ducks*) I can't remember a discussion about an auto-link to WP, are you sure you don't confuse this with ArtistHeader/-Footer? Either way, I think Wikipedia search links like those for Amazon etc. are a really good idea. Anyone opposed? (And while we're at it, why not for AlbumFooter as well?) — 6×9 (Talk) 16:48, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
Probably so (with ArtistHeader/-Footer confusion), since the issue is the same. It's best to have a badge, but if not, then a blind link to WP in the External Links is the next best thing. Sorry, my humor button is in the shop today. I've got a loaner, but unfortunately, it's set to only go off for fart jokes. (My guess is that it originally belonged to a middle-schooler.) I'm ducking too. Red swings wiiiiide.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   17:34, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
I have grown to accept the new instrumental template ;) Rfl. I also like the treble clef..but I still miss the box (lol). I got to agree with 6 here Kiefer, I can't remember a discussion about an auto-link to WP, only with regards to ArtistHeader/-Footer. Anyways, I'm not sure this really answers the question but I like the WP-Song and the empty Wikipedia parameter being included on album pages. I don't mind what you do but please don't do away with them!  Яєdxx Actions Words 20:33, September 15, 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of Wikipedia links in ArtistHeader… You might have noticed already that instead of the generic (and ugly) "non-English Wikipedia article" you now get "Russian/Chinese/Spanish… Wikipedia article". This also means that it's no longer necessary to only use the "wikipedia2" parameter for non-English links and to use the "wikipedia" parameter for English links only. — 6×9 (Talk) 13:31, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Romanization rules for Greek

I would like your thoughts here, please. :) Titaki 11:29, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't understand it properly, could you please try to add some English example words? I can hardly imagine what a hard ch sounds like in English words. I know there is hard and soft ch in German like in "ach" and "ich", but in English I can't think of any words. Maybe head-ache and charming? - Chris 13:35, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
Em... hard "ch" would be hue or dicht in German and the soft one is loch and Kuchen, but I took the second ones from wikipedia so I don't know if it's completely correct. Titaki 13:50, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
OK o.O dicht and Kuchen have it the other way round usually, "dicht" like the one in "ich" (Listen) - this is what I'd think to be the soft ch. The hard ch in Kuchen is like "ach" (Listen); strange - Chris 18:24, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
Okay... well, then the other way around. Maybe wikipedia guys are wrong? Anyway, forget the German words. "Ich" is softer though and "ach" a bit harder. Also the harder "Χχ" is pronounced with nearly closed mouth while the softer a lot more open. (By the way I have no idea about German :D) Titaki 19:47, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
Hehehe ist ja cool, dann kann ich dich ja damit verwirren wenn ich einfach in deutsch schreibe :p Hehehe, cool, so I can confuse you by simply writing in German. OK, I don't get it how it should be, maybe ask a language expert. I'll also try to ask my sister, maybe she knows something about that. - Chris 21:58, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
It's so complicated. I'm thinking to use both "ch" and "h". I'll update the help section with exceptions and a different way to romanize Greek names and we'll see what happens next. Titaki 10:21, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

{{SongFooter}} changes

As per the discussion above ↑ I've made a few changes to said template. The most important ones are: (1) The wikipedia parameter is no longer supported; please use {{WP-Song}} instead. (2) There are now Wikipedia search links for artist, album and song; they will be suppressed if {{WP-Song}} is present. (3) SF can now get the album from the first {{Song}} parameter, so the album parameter is no longer necessary (unless the album pagename is different from the actual title for technical reasons). — 6×9 (Talk) 11:13, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Good work 6!  Яєdxx Actions Words 16:17, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

How can I request groups

I would like to request some groups I want to see here lyrics from Nuestro pequeño mundo but I don't know how add requests -- 15:50, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

Hi, I don't understand Spanish, but if this is a group or something like that, the only thing you have to do is to create the page Nuestro Pequeño Mundo. Every user may create as many pages as (s)he wants, as long as the content is sensible. Feel free to add the pages on your own. - Chris 17:05, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Chris. Here's a link to the page to make requests. LyricWiki:Requests  Яєdxx Actions Words 16:23, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

Instrumentals with Spoken Parts

I will use the following songs as examples: Pink Floyd's "Speak to Me" and "The Great Gig in the Sky. These two compositions are clearly meant to be instrumental pieces, but they include some spoken words. This creates one of two problems: If we add {{Instrumental}} to the page, the language parameter gets ignored, even though it technically should have a language. If we don't have {{Instrumental}}, then the composition doesn't show up in Category:Instrumental, but it definitely should. I've always preferred ignoring the language (not too important), but it confuses bots/cyberhumans (see this post on my talk page). Could we provide an override parameter in the instrumental template? --WillMak050389 17:11, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Ever get the feeling you're being ignored? *ducks*
While adding an override parameter wouldn't be a problem, I don't think it's really necessary. Instead, bots & borgs could simply learn to leave the language parameter alone if there's an Instrumental template.
Unless, of course, we actually want Instrumentals with spoken words to appear in Language categories…? — 6×9 (Talk) 12:51, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
It seems to me that Will is saying he does: "technically should have a language". If that is the case then sorry Will because I disagree. Instrumentals don't need a language. Not even if they include a few spoken words.
What we do need however is right click enabled....grrrr...  Яєdxx Actions Words 05:28, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

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