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Translated Songs

Shouldn't translations be next to the original lyrics? Why was it edited on Rammstein:Du Hast (see: [1])? I wanted to revert the edit, but thought I ask here first what's up there... --MetalSnake 09:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I edited it, because translations now get their own pages. The main reason is because the API gets confused by 2-lyrics-Tags . The side-by-side translation is on the translation-page though, because these are invisible for API anyway. Have a look here. - Chris 10:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh damn, this sucks! I would prefer to update the API or just use some different named tags for the translated part. :-( --MetalSnake 10:54, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, nothing is lost, the translation is still perfectly available here.
API is not the only reason, another f. e. is that these tables viewed at 1024x768 or even smaller like 800x600 are terrible due to dozens of linebreaks because the lines are to long. - Chris 11:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I know that it is still available, but it needs an extra click and all existing apps need an update to also fetch the translated lyrics, and it looks much nicer with the translation directly next to it on the main lyrics page. I would say, no one really uses 800x600 anymore, even 1024x768 is something rarely used, and ppl who use those resolutions know that it is too small to display everything just fine. I don't think there should be any compromises because of those resolutions. --MetalSnake 12:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


I try to add {{albumcover}} to the files at the moment, and I noticed that many of them are bigger than 500 x 500 px. I think you should add a note like "If you intend to upload an albumcover please consider the copy not to be bigger than 500×500 pixels." - Chris 10:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

It does say that Chris, on the uploading content help page. And whilst we do our best to encourage people to read the help pages that we are continually updating, we can't actually make them. We could put an additional note on the upload page, but I really don't think that is likely to improve the situation very much. Dunno though, it might be worth a try. It certainly wouldn't hurt. Яєdxx Actions Words 16:20, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh Red, who reads a help-page for a page that requires to click 2 buttons and one confirmation ;) ? - Chris 16:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC) Do you read the manual of your electric toothbrush? ;D
It does state on the upload page in Large Red Letters to use the summary field to categorise and there is mention of maximum file size.Perhaps adding an image size note to the large red along with a pop up 'have you added a template and is your image within the size limit' message when trying to save would work. Ñôīέ2çяȳTalk 17:09, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Hehe, and what if you don't want to upload a cover but anything else? - Chris 18:24, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

LyricWiki API changes (essentially being neutered)

Good to be aware of even if you're not on the Google Group and didn't see the message on w:c:api:LyricWiki API/SOAP:
Necessary... but not cool at all :(
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 02:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

These big bosses should be glad people are interested in their music oO. But instead of being happy some fans like to sing along their famous songs, all they care for is restricting. It's really weird to know the mainreason why API was build has to be disabled while all other "side-features" are available, this is like building a car and allow everything like lights and wipers but forbid to drive. Unfortunately there's not really any choice. =( - Chris 02:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Well, they make more money through legal stuff. So they don't want ppl to buy the music, but instead download it illegally and then sue them. That's what they want... --MetalSnake 19:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

you should've told them to go screw. I'm not using the site anymore now anyway, so it might as well be taken down. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk).

It is unfortunate yes and I commiserate with all our users who have utilised the API extensively in the past, but I don't think you'll find anyone to agree that the site might as well be taken down now because you're not using it!
Sean has a difficult job balancing these things, but look at the site he has created - the best lyrics site on the web! He is no more happy about this than is anyone, so please refrain from making such remarks.  Яєdxx Actions Words 00:20, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Simultaneous Lyrics/Why have a lyric tag?

I was wondering how best to write out lyrics when they are being sung in unsion? I tried a few tables but they were very unweildy. Also, whats with the lyric tag? I don't see the merit in a yellow background to convey the obvious- although thats mainly because it didn't work well with those tables :). Eric Mothnap 08:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

If it's just a short part that is sung simultanous, you may put the parts simply in own lines. Maybe format the second line italic, so it's obvious that it's not sung after the other.
Line 1
Line 2.1
''Line 2.2''
Line 3
If one part is something like an echo or anything unimpotant like "yeah", you may include it as parenthesis (and maybe italic):
Line 1
Line 2 ''(yeah)''
Line 3
Unimportant vocal-accompaniment such as "daa da da da da da daa" may also be left out if it's more difficult than sensible to include.
This is how I'd do it. Tags are lyrics with s, not lyric. - Chris 01:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
Good suggestions, Chris. I've been trying to work on The Black Eyed Peas lastest album The E.N.D., and there are quite a few overlapping, intermittent, and response singing on the album. Do what seems most appropriate for the song. Usually I have the more "background" singer within parenthesis on the same line as the main part. Good luck!    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   03:46, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Chris, but its more complicated and lengthy than that. No one has done something like-

1st Singer: Line 1
            line 2
            line 3   2nd Singer Line 1
            line 4              line 2
            line 5              line 3    3rd singer  Line 1

-this? I know I've seen something like it before.

I came here looking for Phantom of the opera lyrics, but with the basic one column they're nearly unintelligible when they start singing together. With the format I outlined its easy to synchronize the lines, and you don't keep jarring into the names of the character singing- but the actual table I used takes painstaking work and is not casually edit friendly.Eric Mothnap 09:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

It would be
Line 1
Line 2
Line 3
Line 4
Line 5

Line 1
Line 2
Line 3
Line 4
Line 5

Line 1
Line 2
Line 3
Line 4
Line 5
then. - Chris 10:28, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Artist Pictures

I just left a message on User talk:SaraMT92 about her recent Artist pictures additions, and I don't think that we've ever really set those items that I requested in stone as good form/necessities/whatever. I could be wrong, as I haven't looked on the appropriate uploading pictures page because I meant to just visit for a couple minutes to look at my talk page, but now have been on for 1/2 an hour. So, I'll be back later, but wanted to quickly get the ball rolling here.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   21:48, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

I was working my way though User talk:SaraMT92 recent uploads and about to leave a similar message. There is a useful section on the help page (could 'Artist Images' be added alongside 'Album covers' on the contents page?). A 'Naming conventions' section would be good apologies if there is one and I've missed it and perhaps a mention on the upload file page similar to the one about album art that already exists there. Also, adding correctly named {{Album Art}} template to artists pages might help with naming of album art images. Ñôīέ2çяȳTalk 22:08, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I have added a note to what you wrote Kiefer on on SaraMT92's talk page informing of the {{ArtistPhoto}} template which should be used when uploading artist pics.  Яєdxx Actions Words 02:16, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
@Notime - Kiefer has updated help page and I have added {{Album Art}} template to new artists pages and also the {{clear}} template. If we start to get duplicated clear templates (because it is added to the end of Special:Wikify's tracklist), I'll remove. Either that or ask Sean/tek to remove from Wikify. But I do seem to have to add a lot. Яєdxx Actions Words 02:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)


I was looking through the templates and was interested in the above. When I looked to see what was currently linked to the template I found a very long list of Beatles song talk pages, e.g. Talk:The Beatles:Blackbird. I had to look at the song page a couple of times before I saw where this template was being used (I know, but I didn't get much any sleep last night). Anyway, I wasn't quite sure what to think, so I have decided to post in here for others to comment on. Incidentally, the template is largely based on one from Wikipedia and was created by User:Dah31 (who, not suprisingly, is the one using it).  Яєdxx Actions Words 12:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Interesting. Personally, I wouldn't use it. Certifying specific versions isn't what I'd do, as Certification is meant to imply that one is watching the page and keeping it safe and vandal-free and as "correct" as possible. But I don't have a problem with Dah31 using it, really. It's a tool that's useful to them, so excellent for them. Shouldn't be mandatory or standard, though.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   04:01, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Other Media Templates

I have created documentation pages in respect of the aforementioned group of templates and with the assistance of SandBot fortunately she is in a fairly good mood today ;) made a few other changes along the way. The most important of which are as follows:

  • {{RockBandDLC}} - this template is now depreciated as this is now incorporated into the more versatile {{GameFeatureDLC}}. I have updated all the song pages to reflect the change of template and in the doing split Rock Band and Rock Band 2 into two separate parameters. Where these were absent, I added links to the Rock Band and Rock Band 2 list pages. (See 30 Seconds To Mars:Attack)
  • {{GameFeatureDLC}} - added two additional parameters for two more games.
  • {{GameFeature}} - added two additional parameters for two more games.
  • {{MovieFeature}} - added two additional parameters for two more movies.
  • {{TV Advert}} - new template which allows for a link to be created to an article on Wikipedia.
  • {{Television}} - moved (renamed) this more appropriately to {{TV Series}} and updated all the song pages using this template to reflect the change. Added link to the Cold Case article on Wikipedia on each song page referencing this.

 Яєdxx Actions Words 14:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

You can't decide whether blanks or no blanks in templates, can you? ;) - Chris 20:09, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
Sorry Chris...but could you explain blanks please, only I think that might be a Germlish word ;)  Яєdxx Actions Words 05:58, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
"Blank" - "Space" - "Emtpy place between two words" xD In Germany the character you type by hitting "Space" Key is called "Leerschritt", "Leerzeichen" or English "blank". I referred to {{GameFeature}} but {{TV Advert}} and {{TV Series}} instead of TVAdvert and TVSeries. - Chris 12:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC) [2]
Aah...I understand now. I thought you was referring to some code I'd used in the template, not the name of the template. Yes, 'tis true, although I did not create all of those templates, I am never sure whether to include a space or not. People more experienced than me seem to do it both ways...which I find a tad unhelpful (lol). I suppose that it should really be without, but I'm not a programmer, I'm a writer, so it comes more natural to me to insert spaces between words.  Яєdxx Actions Words 13:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


I've finally moved this from my sandbox, where it has been collecting dust for some while, into the template namespace and added it to a couple pages, so that folks can see what it looks like "in the wild" and make suggestions. (This strategy worked extremely well for {{ArtistHeader}}… ah, seems like ages ago.) The documentation is still pretty minimal, but you can see what it does on these pages. — 6×9 (Talk) 18:08, 27 August 2009 (UTC) PS – The colour is not up for discussion ;-)

Definitely needs a type 2 header. Maybe the link in the TOC will work then too ;)  Яєdxx Actions Words 07:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Yuck. Why not add a l2 header to ArtistHeader as well, while we're at it? And the link in the TOC does work. — 6×9 (Talk) 08:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I say again it definitely needs a type 2 header and the link in the TOC doesn't work ;P  Яєdxx Actions Words 08:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I just tried the TOC link on all nine pages that currently use the template. It worked on each. — 6×9 (Talk) 09:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
*Supports Red* It doesn't :p - Click here, page stays scrolled to top. May I also explain why?
Without waiting for an answer, HTML-guy gets down to action: The #XYZ behind an URI tells the browser to scroll the anchor (<a>) with the attribute name="XYZ" to the top of the visible area. BUT: This anchor has to be visible to work (at least for Firefox, Internet Explorer, Opera and Safari - these are the browsers I have and I tested them all).
There's the rub: {{ArtistInfo}} creates a table and a div containing the anchor, but it's invisible. There's no other visible anchor to scroll to - ergo: page scrolling stays like it currently is.
The appearing of "#Additional_information" in the addressbar doesn't mean the link worked the desired way, it only says it'd scroll there if there was any visible anchor with name="Additional information".
- Chris 11:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Then how come the "Additional information" link in the TOC takes me to the bottom of the page or the start of the infobox when I click on it? — 6×9 (Talk) 11:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I can't remember where it was, but you talked about the superiority of your browser which had something like a rounded "W" in the icon I think. Which browser do you use? - Chris 11:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Maxthon, but it's just a frontend for IE's engine. So, basically, I tested this thing on IE6 (home) and IE8 (work), and it worked on both. Reliably. Even with the link you provided above.
What about {{Caption}}? I suppose the "… Era" links on this page don't work for you either, then? — 6×9 (Talk) 11:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Exactly =) Tested with IE 8, works only with compability mode turned on. It isn't fixed how to handle anchor-references, maybe your browser also uses invisible anchors, but the most common ones don't.
The easiest way to fix would be to add the anchor-code in the template itself again and leave it blank - so the link in TOC is created through the hidden headline and refers to the second, manually added anchor which is invisible because it has no displayed text. - Chris 12:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC) Oh, no rounded W but a square-cut M
Thanks Chris :-)  Яєdxx Actions Words 12:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC) P.S. Both Caption and ArtistInfo work in IE6 btw, but not in Firefox.
Alright, the TOC link should work now (in {{Caption}} as well). — 6×9 (Talk) 11:57, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 :-)  Яєdxx Actions Words 21:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I found this site interesting and informative I thought I'd post a link here:

The Jargon File
 Яєdxx Actions Words 08:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Oyez...Oyez...The End Is Nigh...

Category:Songs Needing Language Identification...

316 left...!!
 Яєdxx Actions Words 10:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello from Susan


My friend found in Reddit. My name is Susan, I live in Haifa, Israel. I was born in Paris and move to Israel husband after marriage. My husband is sergeant of Israel Defence Forces, I work in local TV station. I like to drink polish vodka and watch Lost

xoxoxo Susan 10:04, 31 August 2009

Hello Susan and welcome! Now you've told us all about yourself you may want to consider registering ;)  Яєdxx Actions Words 01:30, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
Heehee Redxx, this is just spam! Blah [3] [4] - Chris 13:58, September 17, 2009 (UTC) Using Google I could give another 20 examles
I think everyone realised this, but you were the only one insensitive enough to hurt Red's feelings like that ;-) — 6×9 (Talk) 18:23, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
Sheesh, I'm just being straight^^ - Chris 13:10, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
We know you are, you mentioned Edith often enough. Or did you mean something else?6×9 (Talk) 13:19, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
xD I mean I'm plain-talking - Chris 13:14, September 20, 2009 (UTC)
Haa haa :-) But honestly, can someone please explain to me what is the point of this? And chain mail "Forward this to 30 of your closest friends or you'll be damned for all time" I really don't get it...  Яєdxx Actions Words 16:12, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

If all chain-letters I didn't pay attention to had taken effect I'd weight 300 kilos, I'd been killed for... umm... about 10 times and I'd be in hospital in intensive care for at least 30 not healable diseases. I'm still a light-weight, I'm alive and happy and I'm not disease-ridden. So don't pay attention to these ;) I don't know if it's boredom or if there are really such naive people out there that think everything written in chain-letters is true. The reason why these chain-letters are so effective is that for e. g. in your example it's enough if about 3% of all people that get the letter believe in such stuff. The snowballing-effect is strong enough to keep this mails alive. But you're right, I don't see the reasons why to start such letters or to create such spambots that don't even insert a link or something. Don't ask me why people are so bored to do that^^ - Chris 16:40, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

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