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November 2008

Accented Characters template Translation

I came across this User:Severson/Brudnopis a great idea that can to be translated and implemented for all the languages that may need it. any objections? ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 08:14, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

I though star=Violet and {{Code Purple}} were supposed to replace this? --Åqüã†ìкí ƒΔΣ 14:08, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I think the interesting point is the language specificity. In other words, the second of the proposed new boxes seems to imply, "If you can read this, here is where you can help. If you cannot read this you won't be of much help with Polish but there may be other areas of opportunity."
I really like the idea and can see and concede that it would be a perfect task for a bot. At the same time the bot can apply the Violet Star. It would be nice if the stars could be bigger but that is a separate discussion.
JimCubb 17:25, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
New thought about language proficiency. At work I am surrounded by Native Spanish speakers. Each has a very large vocabulary. Less than half of them would be able to help with accents because written Spanish and spoken Spanish are so different. It would be like asking a non-Native speaker of English to proofread this paragraph. (Only a half-dozen or so of my workmates can spell in either language.)
The skill, talent, training or education that is needed is for wome one to be able to read and write the language not merely speak it. Does that make sense?
JimCubb 18:07, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
@JimCubb - I think the link encouraging users proficient with the language to edit other pages too is definitely a good thing. Also, in your second post, you discuss written and oral proficiency - is this a response to "if you speak Spanish", which you think should be "if you are proficient in written Spanish"?
@Aquatiki - are you saying that people use {{Code Purple}} and not {{AccentedCharacters}}, or that they should? That is, has {{Code Purple}} absorbed the role of {{AccentedCharacters}}, or are you saying that someone should edit {{Code Purple}} to allow it to do so? I usually don't deal with this kind of thing. team atalkctrb 22:06, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
That is exactly what I mean. I can correct diacriticals in Spanish without much thought, there are only seven if one counts ñ and I have studied the language formally. Native speakers who have not studied their language formally do not necessarily know how to write it well. (Very long ago I spent as much of my "spare time" during US Army Basic Training proofreading that the Mexican-American in my unit wrote to their grandparents in Mexico. The boys were born, raised and educated in the US. Grandpa and Grandma had not travelled more than 50 miles away from their homes in Mexico. I still remember "E estao . . ." for "He estado . . .", I have been.)
I have just realized that when I was adding language information to the ones and twos, too few songs by an artist to give to a bot, I should have been adding stars and "accent" markers as needed. I shall do it from now on. As long as I have the song open anyway I guess I should try to do a complete job of it rather that merely making it easier for a bot to come along and do it later.
Should I use {{accent}} or {{AccentedCharacters}}? Does it make a difference?
JimCubb 22:50, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I just don't honestly think random people on the internet are wondering around going, "Where can I clean up a small mess today?" If they're interested enough to help, they're likely interested enough to make a login, and find Categories:Requests For Writing/Chinese among the Category:Violet Songs. Therefore, put up big "REQUESTS FOR HELP" signs does nothing but make the sight look cluttered and unprofessional. So yes, I am saying s=V and CP replace AC. This also deals with JC's point, since CP lets you distinguish between reading, writing and translating. --Åqüã†ìкí ƒΔΣ 22:52, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't see anything in {{Code Purple}} that would indicate anything about accented characters. There's translation, transliteration, and filling out the miscellaneous fields like iTunes. Maybe it's just an issue of updating the documentation, but I think we'd want to make sure that the page went into the right Accented Characters category. team atalkctrb23:39, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Like we've been saying, we don't want a generic "This page needs accent help" sign up. We need it to say, "Hey! Do you know what written Spanish should look like? Help!" So, you make the song a Violet, and in the Code Purple you put |Writing|Spanish}}. This would put the page in C:Violet Songs and C:Requests for Writing/Spanish, where it can be found by the language participants. --Åqüã†ìкí ƒΔΣ 23:54, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
(Written before and during the Team a and Aquatiki posts.)
Not random people on the internet but someone who just did a great job of posting songs in Spanish for one artist's album and is on a roll? Just maybe the person will go to the home page and be willing to push the link that says, "How you can help". Especially if that person has already pushed the Big Blue Button that say "Songs" and found how useful that is to find different versions of the same song.
When is Code Purple applicable? It seems to be just for translation requests not simple copy editing. (I assume "s=V" means "star=Violet", "CP" means "Code Purple" but what does "AC" mean?) Also Code Purple is big and downright garish but that may be just me.
If a translation is made and it turns out to be singable like Seasons In The Sun or, better known, If You Go Away will that make the song multi-linqual even though the translation was commissioned by LW and, as an unauthorized arrangement of a copyrighted song, is probably illegal?
(Written after the Team a and Aquatiki posts.)
Where did we say that we don't want a generic sign up? We will have to have a generic sign for the cases where non one who is involved can recognize the language. Is it Serbian or Montenegrin (both use Cyrillic)? Is it German, Bavarian German, or Austrian? Is it Spanish or Aragonese?
Isn't redundant to say "C:Requests for Writing/Spanish"? All that can be done here is write, speaking does not come out too well on a screen.
JimCubb 00:20, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Why don't we just add a new value for {{Code Purple}}'s first parameter, Accents? Then, the alphabet variant can be the second parameter, and we can have {{Code Purple}} display the appropriate text and add the page to the appropriate category. team atalkctrb 00:46, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I just realized that "AC" stands for "AccentedCharacters". I never have used that because "accent" works just as well and is easier to type.
It is similar to Excel's CONCATENATE function vs. the "&" operator. This is no more than the sixth time in my life that I have seen CONCATENATE in all caps, as a function, and I concatenate strings all the time using the operator.
JimCubb 01:23, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I am requesting a tiny bit of non-English interface text for the pages that most deserve it, that's all! King asked me about doing some clean up on RFE/AC and I thought having a bit of Irish text on Irish pages asking about Irish diction makes Irish sense :) cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 05:00, 15 November 2008 (UTC) I don't expect Noam Chomsky visiting here anytime soon...
Look, my point is simply that cluttering up the actual song page does nothing but make us look cluttered to the average drop-in. We should consider that there is at least a 75:1 ratio of drop-ins to contributors. We need our pages to appear as clean and appealing as possible so people will stay and contribute. I don't care if there is Japanese, Spanish and Ugaritic on a banner for native speakers/writers! I just don't think it should be on the actual song page, that's all. --Åqüã†ìкí ƒΔΣ 13:58, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Where do you want it to be put? Remember, if it cannot be seen readily and easily there is no point in putting it anywhere.
How much good has it done to move the "Split" tag to the Artist's Talk Page? How many artists have had songs split into albums because of it? (There should be a way of finding out from the site-wide log of edits how many artists have had albums added to their pages after the "Split" tag was applied and if the editor who did the splitting deleted the "Split" tag. My hypothesis is that the number is zero and every artist whos songs have been divided after the posting of the "Split" on the Talk Page still has the "Split" on the Talk Page.)
JimCubb 22:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I think we are in some kind of agreement, JimC, though it's real hard to tell through all the bitterness and cynicism. Big, ugly banners on song or artist pages don't do anything because the only people motivated to edit pages were such before the banners came. The purpose of the Page Ranking system in general and of Code Purple in particular is simply to categorize pages for those already looking to help. Advertising for help doesn't work, but categorizing makes it easier for those who already wanted to. --Åqüã†ìкí ƒΔΣ 23:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I think we are. How does this sound? (This is serious, not at all facetious, for a change.)
Put no graphic at all on the page or on the Talk page. (I really think that having the Split tag on the Talk page does absolutely no good.) However, have the lack of certain information categorize a page. Once SNLI gets low enough to make it practical to do, look at all the Green songs that are in a language that may need copy editing for special characters. Put a notice on the page, at the very top perhaps, that is only visible in edit mode that the lyrics may need to be reviewed for "special" characters, á, é, è, í, ñ, ó, ú, etc., and that after that is done the notice should be removed.
Here is what I think are necessary for that to work.
  1. A bot has to be poised to jump on any new song.
  2. The new song has to have language information. (Another reminder to put into the template.)
  3. We (I am including myself in this because I have put myself in this loop) have to be ready to explain and apologize to contributors whose song have this notice inserted despite their best efforts. The saving grace is that the notice cannot be seen to anyone who is not editing the song.
If a casual user came across a song such as I cited above where the only problem was that every instance of ñ showed a little box and every ñ was in the same place in the same word and the word was part of the title, that user could edit the song, copy the ñ from the title, paste it over every little box and delete the note at the top of the song. Once the notice is deleted the song would drop out of the category of Songs That May Need Help With Special Characters. (I prefer Special Characters to Accented Characters because ñ is a separate letter as, I have been assured by someone here, is è in French. In Spanish all of the diacritical marks on vowels are for either pronunciation purposes or meaning purposes, esta (this) vs. está (is).
JimCubb 03:23, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok still staying on topic, why doesn't Accented Characters/French and Spanish, German etc. display in Category:Requests For Edits/Accented Characters, like Polish etc.? ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 23:13, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

When the lyrics don't exist

Hi. I'm using a script that opens<artist>:<song> and if there is no matching song from that artist (most likely because there are multiple ways of spelling the name) I'm getting to a page that tells me there's an error.

Try this for example: (there's a missing ' here)

I request putting a link to the artists page here! Like in this case. It's really annoying right now, the link "search for this page title" never helps me. This way I will be just 2 clicks away from my songtext (if it exists). — The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).

If the page doesn't exist, then shouldn't it be an error, though? Elvis Presley:Im Gonna Sit Right Down And Cry isn't Elvis Presley:I'm Gonna Sit Right Down And Cry, as you mentioned. We can't know all the different versions of the pagename that might possibly be searched for due to typos and spelling mistakes and the like. If you're using a script, I would think that a script-level fix is easiest, by searching in a secondary fashion for the page name up to the colon. Then Elvis Presley:Im Gonna Sit Right Down And Cry would default to Elvis Presley. If the page is spelled Elvis Pressley:Im Gonna Sit Right Down And Cry then it would default to Elvis Pressley, and the search would still not function properly, but that should be an expectation of the script that sometimes a search will come back with nothing, I would think. The site is a database, but the script needs to function within the confines of the database and its structure, not vice versa.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   04:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the problem is that you can't know all the different ways to spell the name, neither my script can. But its much more likely that the name of the artist is spelled correctly. In this case, the server already 'knows' what artist I want to get to, because it's in the link between the slash and the colon, and if you already offer a link for searching the title, why not add a link to the artists page? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).
In this case, your script already knows what artist you want to get to, because it's in the link between the slash and the colon. --Aikon- 13:17, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Let us not discuss my script here, it's rather irrelevant. Instead ask yourself if this would be generally useful. Also for humans who are searching a specific song and misspell it (but got the artist correct). This wiki is different than others, most titles have this certain pattern: "artist:songtitle". Why not use this fact to our advantage and make this wiki more comfortable? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talkcontribs).
When page access is attempted to a page that does not exist, it gives the user the option of creating that page. To automatically redirect a non-existing album or song link to the Artist page would remove that ability. How would new pages ever get created? Really, this is a script-level fix, not a database-level fix. (Also, since we've had to sign your comments for you 3 times already, use four tildes (~~~~) to automatically sign & date your comments, please. It makes conversing in wiki-land less confusing to know who is speaking without having to look in the page history. Thanks!)    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
Excuse me but I just ask for a link, no redirect. It would be useful to anyone, just like the "search for this page title" link that is already there. (thanks for the tip about signing, didn't know that...) -- 10:20, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Ringtone advert

I would strongly suggest the placement of the first ringtone advert between the song info and lyric box change. It would make this site seem much less like the rest of those advert massacred sites. Just my opinion, but I find it completely annoying. There is still one after the lyric box. Lose the former one, please.

Iglam 15:35, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Welcome Iglam and thank you for your comments. If you check the "Ads" tab in your "my preferences" you will find some options which will enable you to turn these off.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 16:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
So there is....nice. Thanks. Iglam 21:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Request For Assistance

As of the last time I refreshed the front page, 18:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC), there were 546,511 pages on this site. That number includes Artist pages, Album pages and Song pages. At the same time there were 342,269 songs whose language is not identified.

This means that a person who pushes the big blue button on the front page that says "By Language" is on a fool's errand because more than 60% of the songs cannot be categorized by language. It also means that Page Ranking for beginning pages is not being done correctly because if a song is in a language that uses diacritical marks or other special characters but has not had an "Accent" tag put on it but only a "Review Me" tag by a bot, it will be given a Green Star when it should be given a Violet Star.

EchoSierra's bot will correct large numbers of songs by a single artist whose songs are in the same language if it is told what the correct language is. That is where people come in.

There are a very few people who are going through SNLI, song by song, adding the language information for languages that they can recognize. I seem to be the only one who is putting up Work For The Bot. (If there are only one or two songs by an artist in the same language, I have found it as easy to do them by hand rather than list them for the bot. Your results may vary.)

If you have some time to spare that can be spent on identifying languages it would be appreciated. Even if you only know one language, English as that is the lanbuage this is in, that will help greatly as most of the songs are in English. If you want to do more, MusicBrainz often has the language. This is very useful both for identifying non-European languages for a Euro-centric and for indicating that an artist records in more than one language in which case it may be prudent to back away slowly and move on.

If you want to do a trial period to see how much work is involved, pick a letter after the first sixth of the alphabet (NOT "T") and get started. Just reply below with the letter you are going to attempt.

Thank you very much.

JimCubb 18:46, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Jim, I did a bit of digging onto those numbers a few days ago: and here be the results:
836468    All pages - from server  Date: 2008.10.16 Time 11:45 (UCT)
  87800 - Redirects (from list redirects special page) - from server
646949 - Songs	(English & all other Languages 297,209+ SNLI 349,740) - my calc
101719 - Albums & Artists & Talk & misc - my calc
elsewhere it was mentioned that the Total content pages is a percentage calculation, and that currently is off by over 100,000 pages (should be ~647,000, but as of now server gives ~545.600). It would be nice to have on the Front Page, a banner displaying for all to see: the number of new pages created in the past 24 hrs or the past 7 days or the past month, (free advert on real site traffic, can we afford it? lol), and a more accurate calculation of actual song pages. The meat of the site is song pages, and honestly, we are under reporting that by almost 20%. -cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () EchoSierra 23:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Cool! Only 54% of the songs lack language information! What a relief! (Still 349.740 songs will not be down to a reasonable size unless it is recognized as a problem to be addressed by more than a couple of people. It certainly will not go away by the end of the year as was once projected.)

JimCubb 23:45, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

New template: Collaboration

I quickly threw together a new template, {{Collaboration}}, for some instances where the regular {{ArtistHeader}} wouldn't make much sense. Take Brian Eno & David Byrne for example: there are Wikipedia articles for both artists, but AH would only let us link to one. Similarly, Hometown could be where both artists met and/or recorded, but in the case of a far-distance collaboration that wouldn't make sense either, and we'd be doomed to forever look at "Hometown unknown" when opening the page. {{Collaboration}} is basically two simplified ArtistHeaders, with only wikipedia and hometown, but no myspace, officialSite and artist picture, and hometown doesn't add the page to Category:Hometown.
If you have any suggestions or criticisms, please head over to the template's talk page and leave a note. Thanks! -- 6x9 (Talk) 20:32, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


Hey, guys, I've set up a new Template:CatAZBySecondLetter, set Template:CatAZ to call it if it gets an argument, and set Category:Artists L to call it with one. What do you reckon? -- Dah31

I reckon it's a brilliant idea! I'd change one thing, though: if {{CatAZ}} is called with an argument ($), it still displays the regular 0-Z, with $0-$z in the next line; since this is to be used where 0-Z is unnecessary, I'd do away with it entirely and only have Top | $0 ... $z displayed. -- 6x9 (Talk) 05:35, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I adjusted both templates – hope you don't mind. {{CatAZ|L}} now looks like this:
...while {{CatAZ}} without argument still works as it did previously:
The only downside is that {{CatAZBySecondLetter}}, if called directly, now looks distinctly odd. -- 6x9 (Talk) 20:27, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
December 2008

The Notorious Album Edit

For those of you who didn't know, I've spent the last 27 days working on a near total redesign of the {{Album}} template. It includes the contributions of Kingnee1114lyrics and 6x9, and the suggestions and comments of many of LW's admins (especially Redxx and 6x9). That process is coming to a close, and I'm going to spend the next week finishing the process. If you have any comments or suggestions (like more edit ideas), now would be a good time.

  • For a description of the changes, see the Demonstration page
  • To discuss the edit, see Album talk
  • Because this edit will affect all types of album page, please give it a try by replacing the name of the template (like "{{Artist" or "{{VariousArtistAlbum") with "{{User:Team a/Album". Leave the parameters, and preview the page. Try it on your favorite albums, or on the strangest albums you've seen.

Thanks to everyone who has helped with this project. As always, suggestions, ideas and criticism are welcome. team atalkctrb 22:12, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Wow! This looks amazing. Well done.
The only problem I've found so far is that it appears that the |star= parameter does not work. I tried the template on Kotoko:Short Circuit II (2007), where |star=Bronze, but it just displays a black star.
- teknomunk (talk,E,,A) 22:55, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Fixed. I've been going through the template line by line to decrease its impact on page load times and simplify it for other template editors. Can't believe I missed that - I thought I checked for that specificially. team atalkctrb 01:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Just the problem previously reported with text running under the album art box (see album pages listed in this category).  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)


What should I do with cover-versions? As example: Primal Fear:Out In The Fields is a cover of Gary Moore:Out In The Fields. Should I redirect the Primal-Fear-Version to the Gary-Moore-Version? Acccept 22:45, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't redirect! Put the {{Cover}} template on the Primal Fear page and the {{Cover2}} template on the Gary Moore page. -- 6x9 (Talk) 22:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Similar Project for tabs?

Is there a similar project like LyricWiki for Guitar tabs? I'm searching for a non-profit database without massive Ads, but with a nice API, that i can query. That would be just like a LyricWiki-Clone for Tabs. Does anybody know such a thing? Thanks! -- 20:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, not that I'm aware of.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 17:03, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


Something that has been long overdue: what, exactly, is the hometown of an artist supposed to be? Is it where they were born (even if they moved to a different country at the age of 2), where they live currently (but what about those who have several homes in different parts of the world?), where they spent most of their time (again, what if they moved around constantly?), or where they started their musical career? Similarly for bands: where they were formed (which has its own subset of problems), where their members hail from, where they currently reside…
It's probably impossible to come up with some rules that apply (and make sense) in every single case, but at least some general guidelines should be agreed upon. Thoughts? -- 6x9 (Talk) 00:10, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

copied from my talk page:
For hip hop artists, this definitely has to be the place they are representing, not place of birth. It's usually the place where they first developed as an artist. team atalkctrb 23:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Place of birth for single artists. Or in other words same as Wikipedia.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 02:51, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Star previewing

I'm someone who has been using the star ranking system on the pages I create and have been thinking of ways to make it seem like a better idea. I mean convincing more people use the system (there are about 2,500 songs that have a star other then green, and about 501,000 that are green (and more that are black)). The ranking system is only viable if it's possible to rank/perfect pages at least as quickly as pages are being created.
My idea is to have a display of the ranking of a page on any links to that page. I think a star before/after every link would be much to distracting but a mouse over could yield a star where the mouse is or after the link indicating the ranking. In my opinion, this will encourage people to perfect, and get gold stars, for music they like (especially if they see a few silver stars and a few green, they might want to bring them all to silver).
For me atm, it's quite hard to keep track of the song's I'm ranking and trying to perfect, and takes to long navigating to all the pages to check their star etc.
I'm assuming all that is needed is adding an "onmouseover" thing to the stylesheet for the links although the API may be needed to retrieve the star of the target page but I'm sure it's possible. What do you think? ♫ Humbug (Talk Contribs) 02:38, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

I'm someone who doesn't use the stars, but that's because I don't really understand when I'm "allowed" to change the rating to something higher, what exactly needs to be done (I know there is a page somewhere, but I don't want to check that page every time I edit a song), and if it's just me thinking this one could get a higher rating or not. So your idea might help, but the whole star system needs an update too. --MetalSnake 02:47, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Asides from the mouse-over idea, what do you think we could do to improve the page ranking system guys?  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 03:43, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Well, I do think it's a drag going to the talk page and putting in the templates (although it is good info that goes into those pages). Once you get used to the star system it becomes pretty easy and I can't/haven't thought of any changes that would improve it imo. Another crazy motivation idea of mine is having a "Showcase" link to a song, artist and album on the front page that are gold star ratings. Updated daily (by UberBot) looping through the gold songs, artist and album's ("Your favourite artist will get on the front page if you sharpen up the pages"). Other then that I'm interested in hearing suggestions too. ♫Humbug(Talk Ctrb) 13:07, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your input Humbug. I do agree with you about it being a drag applying the template to the talk page, but like everything here there is a good reason why this is so. If you apply a virgin template (one with no boxes marked "done", etc.) to a song's talk page and save it you will note that at the bottom of the page it then categorises the page as "Songs needing GoEar help", "Songs needing iTunes help", etc. etc. etc. etc. That is why.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 13:44, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
Let me leave my last (this year) 2p$ here too:). If we really want to enliven starring process, firstly we should designate main factors, burdening this process. Here are three of them:
  • creating of a new talk page for song requires tiresome and causeless manual editing. But after all - LW knows all required information for filling SongInfo! Isn't it possible to make special autonew template for song talk page, automatically filling all required fields on talk page creating?
  • we surely need some more intelligent mechanism of synchronization between song metadata and SongInfo. Let's dream a little, and you'll see you how it may look - just a little scripted additional button "Synch" in song talk page edit window toolbar. Forgive me, if dream is too crazy ;)
  • and finally - protocol, or PR policy. MetalSnake is not the first pointing out this problem (2Red: remember Redrkr's 'violet story'?). Truth to tell, me is one more, who thinks that this policy might be slightly 'tempered'. I know (and edited) a lot of songs, which are worth to be bronze, silver or even gold. But making all necessary manual editing?... Obligatory watching? - keep in mind that declaring yourself as page watcher obligates you constantly to 'keep your eye' on all future edits of this song. Don't forget about #2 of this list. And then fairly calculate, how many starred songs can you watch just physically, even without doing anything else ;)
Happy NY & editing, --Senvaikis (talk) 18:04, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Thanks guys. I appreciate the time you have taken to respond. Happy New Year to you all!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 19:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
(De-indenting? Outdenting? Exdenting? Or simply denting, as in infinite <-> finite?)
@Senvaikis: The first two points *can* be automated… if we install Semantic. </Aquatiki voice> One of my main problems with the current system is that a song can be certified, but still not process beyond green because no-one is watching, while on the other hand a song with all necessary info filled out can progress to silver, even if the lyrics are horribly wrong.
Not to mention that things like YouTube are somewhat problematic: what if I check for a song, find it's not there, put "video = not applicable" on the talk page and give it a Gold rating, and a couple minutes later someone somewhere uploads that video? Am I supposed to check periodically?
I'd personally prefer to allow Silver ratings that still lack some non-vital information (video, audio, asin) but are certified, while songs that aren't certified shouldn't proceed beyond Bronze. After all, the lyrics are the most important thing, aren't they?
To end this rambling on a positive note: Happy new year, everyone! May you listen to lots and lots of good music! — 6x9 (Talk) 05:58, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Arthur Dent ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 05:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Picking The Admin's brains

I originally posted this on Sean's talk page but in hindsight decided it was too trivial of a subject to pester the "big guy" with, so I figured I would ask this of the other admins - Do any of you know if there is a plugin or an applet of some kind that could be used so we could know when people were on the server? If so, I think it would be a cool idea. I would also want there to be a way for a user to mark their status so if they were busy they could tag themselves as "busy, so don't bug me" or "I'm online and available". Does what I said make sense? Good idea... bad idea? RainbowDragon 18:23, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Makes complete sense RainbowDragon. I am not personally aware of any such plug in. (I think Sean has responded to your post on his talk page.)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 17:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Take a look at what Sean gorter uses on his userpage. It basically requires your to change a few letters every time you go on or offline. team atalkctrb 02:10, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

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