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April 2008

Illegal characters in xml reply from api.php...


I'm having difficulties reading


since these contain characters which are not utf-8.

Would it be somehow possible to filter out/disallow these characters already upon submission, so that this issue wouldn't a problem in the future?

(Of course I'm looking more for a permanent solution than actually solving these particular two lyrics :))

Best regards


This is the issue I concerned, too.
In page, the characters seems good.
Can't they appear the same in API?
Thank you!
--Tomin 03:56, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Language Contribution

I really like this website. And I'd like to translate the Main_Page and other guideline, FAQ, interface into my native language, Traditional Chinese(zh, big5).

Is there anyway I could do this thing? It would be my honor to make here a better place for Chinese Users. Any response would be greatly appreciated.:) --Tomin 17:14, 17 April 2008 (EDT)

Hi Tomin,
Thanks, that would be awesome! :)
There are a few blocks of text that need to be updated:
Just click the red links, then click "edit" on the top of the page to create the translation. I'll link to it from the home-page when it's done.
Thanks again,
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 15:42, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
  • I would like to translate it into Russian, but when I follow your links (MediaWiki:Main_Page/Menu/ru and so on) I see a message that tells that only administrator can edit the page ;( --eugrus 10:59, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
I think the easiest thing would be to write these up, and then you could post them somewhere not protected, and I could move them to where they need to be. Would that be OK?
King_Nee1114 (talk pagecontributionsdeletions) 12:47, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
how about:
I Think you will find this sufficient. Thanks so much for your help.
King_Nee1114 (talk pagecontributionsdeletions) 20:13, 18 June 2008 (EDT)
PS: might there be a translation for 'Hometown' that is a little shorter? The current one runs off the end of the sidebar.
Yeah! Replace "По городам и странам" with "По городам" (by cities). "По городам и странам" meant just "By cities and countries" as there is no word for "hometown" in Russian that wouldn't be too emotional (as "родной город" (native city) is. --eugrus 04:56, 19 June 2008 (EDT)
For the sake of simplicity, and for the sake of consistency, I would say keep with the way you have things now. Nice touch with the Cyrillic redirect, IMO.
King_Nee1114 (talk pagecontributionsdeletions) 01:23, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
  • Sorry to be political. Can you change the national flag? China and Taiwan are different. My suggestions are below: ('By language' is preferred)
    • By language: Change '中文'(Chinese) to '繁體中文'(Traditional Chinese), and change the flag image to this.
    • By country: Like youtube, use '台灣'(Taiwan), not '中国'(China).
See also Youtube Taiwan, Creative Commons Taiwan how other sites do.--Tomin 00:15, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
Is there any particular reason to change the flag? Now, I'm by no means a fan of the current regime in China, but I can find sites that list China, Taiwan, and both. What I don't want to run into is one person complaining about the Chinese flag and it to be changed and then have someone else complain about the Taiwan flag.
The language has been changed to 繁體中文, 中文 is what is given from the template {{#language:zh}}, there was no bias in chosing that on our part.
- teknomunk (talk,E,,A) 00:46, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
The most simplest reason is that China doesn't use 繁體中文. China uses 简体中文. So that the flag China should match 简体中文 someday if someone wants to translate China's language.--Tomin 03:51, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
That would be a good reason, just a second...
- teknomunk (talk,E,,A) 01:49, 23 June 2008 (EDT)

Firefox Search Plugins

I use this site a great deal, and it would be very helpful to me to be able to go directly to a song from my browser search bar. Would it be possible to create a search plugin for LyricWiki similar to the one used for Wikipedia supplied with Firefox? Here's the link to the wikipedia plugin. Here's the documentation for search plugin creation for Firefox. I'd be very grateful if you looked into this. Thanks! --BozoCat -- 13:29, 18 April 2008 (EDT)

This first comment has nothing to do with the request, but that page is typical of what I find frustrating with many Firefox plug-in pages. No description of what it actually DOES. *grrrrr*
I'm guessing, however, that it's supposed to automatically search Wikipedia and you want to be able to do the same to LyricWiki? Strangely enough, though, I can search LyricWiki using the default search tool already. (I don't believe this is from an add-on - it doesn't appear to be - but I could be wrong.) While at LyricWiki, I can click on the Google icon (it has a small downward triangle) and there is an Add "LyricWiki" choice. Once I click that, I have the LyricWiki icon instead, and I can search the site from there.
As an added plug, Kingnee has put together a page of suggested Firefox Extensions for LyricWiki (and in general, too) here!   Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   00:51, 19 April 2008 (EDT)
Thanks for mention it. I'm looking for it, too. And it's just right there, surprise! Just click your search button, add it and finish.--Tomin 08:42, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

Apostrophes in Song Lyrics

Hi! I hope this is the right place for my message, anyway:

Is it possible to create a bot that checks all lyrics pages and replaces these accent symbols ´ and ` which are often misused as apostrophes with proper ones (’)? I think this would be more effective and complete than having the job done manually by a few people (or is it just me who cares?) who come across such mistakes now and then. Greetings, Chillvie -- 21:02, 22 April 2008 (EDT)

I can get that. Give me an couple hours and I'll turn BotUm (talkcontribs) on that. --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 21:16, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
No, we all care. As such, it would be great if this could be done.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:29, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
I just meant, because I'm at work, I'll have to wait til I get home to work on this. I'll neeed to design a regular expression that'll catch all the one's we want and none we don't. I think I've have to make a category too, for the one's with funk in the title. I should have all the songs fixed by the morning of April 23rd. --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 22:27, 22 April 2008 (EDT)
OK, maybe that was a bit optimistic. I have to do two passes: 1) I find pages that have gunk in the title and move them and 2) I go through and replace a gunk with '. This may take a day or two. --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 04:56, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Great, thanks for your quick reply. And good luck with your bot! ;) --Chillvie 06:49, 25 April 2008 (EDT)
I'm working on it, but it's very slow going: there are lot of pages and I'm having to move the wrongly titled ones by hand. It may take me a week, but I'll get there! --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 06:55, 25 April 2008 (EDT)

Note on timestamps on the site

Someone pointed out that the clock was yet-again off by half an hour. I reset it, so the times will look weird for a little bit (for the next half hour, some of the Special:Recentchanges will be out of order. While I was changing it, I also accidentally set it to be the 25th of April for a few seconds, so a couple of edits will show up as being in the future.
Just wanted to put a post up about this to avoid any more confusion than necessary :)
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 15:09, 23 April 2008 (EDT)


While looking over Pink Floyd (and creating more of their albums), I ran across the fact that they did a number of films. I was wondering if we have a policy on films (not soundtracks), or if we should create one. For example: what should distinguish Pink Floyd:The Wall (1979) from Pink Floyd:The Wall (1982) (other than the date)? Or Pink Floyd:La Carrera Panamericana (1992) (no official soundtrack was ever released, but it contains a few new songs by Pink Floyd)? There are a lot of artists that release live concerts on film, but never release an audio release of the film.

I was thinking just creating a "Category:Films" and adding it to these pages. Or should we create a slightly different template (such as {{Film}} and {{FilmFooter}}) for them? (This way, we can add links to IMDb and other good movie sites) What does everybody think? --WillMak050389 12:18, 30 April 2008 (EDT)

Sounds great! Why not make a test page for us to see what you mean? --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 12:24, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
I've created the two templates, and used them on Pink Floyd:The Wall (1982). How does it look? --WillMak050389 14:15, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
I think it's a great idea Will and the page looks great too (well done!). The only thing that we would have to ensure (particularly for those unfamiliar with the artist's work) is that we make clear this is not an audio album. ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 14:55, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
May 2008

Google Search Result

For a long time, I search lyric directly in Google. I found out that LyricWiki doesn't appear in the first page(first 10 results). But often appear in the second page(about the 15th-17th result) instead.

It's not really bad, but I think we could do better in SEO, right? :D

Wikipedia didn't have a good pagerank in google two years ago, but later they improve it. I don't know how, but they did it! So why can't we? --Tomin 08:25, 4 May 2008 (EDT)

I think Wikipedia is a special case here: I believe to know that there is some sort of agreement between Google and Wikipedia - so actually they kinda cheat here... :-) --Speckmade 14:04, 21 July 2008 (EDT)

Front Page down

I get the following error when I try to view the Main Page:
Fatal error: Call to undefined function wgMsg() in /var/www/html/ on line 132
--Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 22:19, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

I can see it just fine, do you still have the issue?
King_Nee1114 (talk pagecontributionsdeletions) 23:28, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Nope. Must've been a temporary thing.--Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 04:35, 9 May 2008 (EDT)
It happens somethimes.--Tomin 07:44, 9 May 2008 (EDT)

Email notifications

I haven't been getting timely notifications in about a week. Is anyone else seeing this problem? If that's happening, then its likely spammers figured out how to exploit our Send To A Friend script and got our server put on some blacklists again.
If you see this message, please let me know either way what has been happening for you.
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 13:59, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

Same thing here. I imagine the site has gotten so huge and is generating so much email, that we've ending up on some spam-tracking blacklist. I think this is a good featuring, but if it has to go for server performance/cost, I can live without it. Oh, and thanks for getting the site back up! --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 07:43, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Weird.. I just got a TON of alerts (and bounces). Not really sure why. Maybe now that the server is running better again, it just got to catch up? Odd.
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 08:21, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Ditto again! No sooner had I posted than I got 17 emails! --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 08:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Yup. Something got cleared up. Whatever was reset to get the site up and running again (after 15 hours!) seems to have also opened up the floodgates. E-Lax to the rescue!
Actually, I was noticing quite a number of semi-funky things the last few days, as have a few others. Should we e-mail you when we start getting an unusual number of Too Many Connections notices and such?    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   08:46, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

If You Care About This Site!!!

Get over to Wikipedia's attempt to delete this site's article (again) and vote keep!!!! Wikipedia use "Notability" to destory articles that a bunch of admins've decided to delete. The only way to oppose these oligarchs is with an overwhelming show of numbers. Find one external refence to lyricwiki and post your vote!

Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy.

Mao Tse-Tung

P.S. The above quote is here to remind you not to try to reason with the admin's or you'll just get yourself blocked. Just list a reference and vote keep. --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 12:59, 20 May 2008 (EDT)

Meatpuppetry is against Wikipedia's rules and is an all-around bad idea anyway. -- I need a name 09:59, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
No one is advocating creating account just to do this. I know everyone here reads WP and most have accounts there. The attempt of WP admin's to ram deletes down people throats, especially in such a case where there are no new rationales to do so, is abuse of power on their part. Those who understand this call to action already know what to do, they we're just probably unaware that WP would stoop so low ... again. --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 10:05, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
P.S. If you think I'm a ranting lunatic, try reading this, this, this or this. This is primarily a problem on the English language Wikipedia. --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 10:33, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
Ranting lunatic? Comparing Wikipedia to Communism and somehow attributing (although in a sideways fashion) this deletion request to loose-cannon admins? Why would anyone think you a ranting lunatic?  :-]
Seriously, I know your disdain/frustration about Wikipedia, and I understand where that's coming from, but you need to let go a little.
I, personally, was glad for the notice, as I wouldn't have known about the situation otherwise. I created an account at Wikipedia a while back so that I could clean up little messes there that I discovered while researching for things here, and so have added my 2 cents, as is my right. The problem seems to be that those "voting" for deletion there appear to be doing so in a knee-jerk fashion, without doing much research or follow up on the evidence for keeping the article.
Now, if the article is deleted, then it's deleted. The death of a Wikipedia article isn't the death of LyricWiki. I'd be surprised if many (if any) visitors come here for the first time because they stumbled onto the article. No big whoop. It's nice that it's there, I feel that it should be there, but I won't throw my keyboard across the room if it isn't there.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   11:39, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
I know you're right, but I sure have a hard time not getting hot under the collar about WP:NOT. I got so mad about Wikipedia censorship I had to start my own wiki! Also, I have no clue about Search Engine Optimization (SEO), so a I guess a WP article just seemed like the one thing I could do for the site. I took it kinda personal. :-( --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 12:19, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
I didn't realize that you created the article. Yeah, that makes it quite a bit more personal. I don't see it getting deleted, though. There's just a whole lot of nothing on the "Delete" side of things. Like I mentioned in my comments there, there's nothing new being presented. Same arguments, same evidence disproving those arguments, and so there should be the same outcome. If not, I give you permission to rant!    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   12:31, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
I would like to remind everybody to be civil about the matter, especially the administrators. Wikipedia has its rules as we have ours, and we would not like them comming over here and messing with our rules, why would they be any different. That said, it would be sad if the page about our site is deleted. (Though, the page looks a little thin right now, which is probably why it is up for deletion)
- teknomunk (talk,E,,A) 18:06, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
Yeah..interesting discussion guys. I'm onto it.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:40, 21 May 2008 (EDT)
For the record here, the result was keep, just like last time (and the page doesn't look to bad either). Keep an eye out in the future as well, this may happen again :(
- teknomunk (talk,E,,A) 01:12, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

Programs/Services that use LyricWiki...

Is there a list of projects that use LyricWiki? I've just pretty much completed a program that pulls lyrics using this service ( and it seems sensible to tout it here!! :-P

I've looked the program's screenshot. Pretty good! List is at plugin page here. You can add yours of course. :) --Tomin 23:58, 22 May 2008 (EDT)


Due to an unfortunate series of events, the site is being weird and will take several hours to fix. In the mean-time you may have to force-refresh some pages several times before seeing the most up-to-date version. Updates will be posted on the blog at [2].
Sorry for the inconvenience :(, -Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 07:37, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Everything should be fixed now... taking a look around...
-Sean Colombo (talk|contribs) 09:04, 28 May 2008 (EDT)

Semantic MediaWiki

Some of you may have seen the discussion over on LyricWiki talk:Esperanza, but since it's been dead awhile, and I'm trying to revive it, I thought I'd bring it over here.

What I'm trying to argue for is the installation of an extension that will fundamentally alter the way this website works. What if, instead of thumbing through endless categories there was a way to search for specific values associated with pages. What I mean is, what if you could ask LyricWiki, "What albums were released between 2000 and 2005 by metal band from the UK?". Also, the extension I'm talking about would make album and artist pages radically simpler. Because songs would all be tagged with artist and album name, the artist and album pages themselves wouldn't need to duplicate that information: they would be auto-populated.

The extension that could do all this and more is Semantic MediaWiki and I've made a bare-bones example at (of Death Cab For Cutie). --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 06:56, 29 May 2008 (EDT)

Mmmm...mixed feelings. I prefer the layout of the pages as they are atm since it looks like there would be a lot of wasted white space to the left of the artist info box. If we could insert a photo of the artist that would be great of course. Also, I happened to notice that a lot of the info contained in the artist info box is duplicated in the facts box at the bottom of page. I will admit that not having to manually create album pages would be a bonus. Indeed I am aware that users regularly complain about creating album pages and feel this is unnecessary. I don't however consider album pages unnecessary for many reasons, but primarily because it allows for greater detail to be inserted about the album which would be inappropriate on the artist page. I like the search idea too. Could attract more users to this site. Hope that helps  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:21, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
The reason I think there is so much white-space is because I put in every kind of factoid about the band. Not all artists' "Infobox" would be as big. The reason I duplicated at the content from the factbox is that a lot of people don't want to be dependant on looking at it, and in fact, most people hide entirely on their wiki. (P.S. I've always been in favor of artist photos!) As to your last point, there are still album pages [3], but there is no need to add/tweak songs on them. Basically, they exist to define the image and genre of the album, but they could include "greater detail"s too. --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 23:40, 9 June 2008 (EDT)
Redxx, something to consider is that in practice, there will be considerable distance between the infobox on the right and the facts box at the bottom. Also the whitespace should be consumed by the table of contents and also by the ads on the right side.
I took a look at the code at the sandbox site, and I have to say, sweet!, but it looks like another bot pass would be needed. One concern I have from my brief review of the sandbox is this: How will track numbers for songs on multiple albums be handled? From what I can see, only a single track number can be associated with the song page, though I'm sure there is a way around this.
We will also need to consider how this will affect site performance. Will this increase the load on the databases? Does the convience outweigh this?
Also, we will have to get Mediawiki upgraded in order for Semantic to even work. (Note: the last time, the site broke massivly) This has been something on the ToDo list for some time now and will eventually happen, but until it is done, extensions like this will be held back. A fairly large amount of downtime will be required to upgrade the site (a day minimum) and a lot of custom code (the API and Facebook App) will need to be updated so this will have to be well-planned.
Anyways, enough of my rambling. Hopefully this is some food for thought. I am by no means against this, quite the opposite. I'm just being a bit cautious from past experience.
- teknomunk (talk,E,,A) 01:06, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
I think it's pretty much a given that we would need a major bot overhaul to go from one layout to the other. The way I would do it, if it were my wiki, would be: 1) lock the site into read only mode (maybe this could be done on a Wednesday) 2) Export everything via phpDumpBackup (?) 3) Have a bot chew it up and spit out SMW relative wikicode 4) Meanwhile, install extensions, upgrade, etc. 5) Upload pages back.
Actually, if we do this or anything else, we should upgrade and install incrementally, before we change anything else about the site. ... Basically, I'm saying I agree with the "Go Slow" approach. --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 01:15, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

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