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"Strong Language"

Sorry for bringing this up if it has been before, but in the help section and on the parental advisery template (Template:Parental Advisory) the definition of "Strong Language" doesn't exist. What words denote strong language (does damn constitute strong language? does repetition?)? Is gore something that should be under parental advisery as well? "Depictions" is clear enough for everything else, but those two things aren't there. Violence doesn't denote "gore." People can describe images that aren't violent but simply morbid (i.e. rotting corpses, people bleeding to death or something along those lines). --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 02:17, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

You can just use {{Pa}} without argument, it will use the default option, which is
Explicit lyrics (a.k.a. profanity...)
In the first argument, you can always enter another text string, e.g. {{Pa|Strong language}}. We don't flag pages very often, as many songs nowadays contain some words like damn and shit, but if there are multiple occurrences (enough to be disturbing) you can flag the page using either of the above options.
You can always then use the {{Parental Advisory}} template to shift the actual lyrics down on the page, if you want.
Hope that helps --Mischko Talkicon EsperanzaIcon 14:09, 6 June 2007 (EDT)
Just wondering - what about the word fuck, which is becoming more and more used? Should every song with this word be marked with explicit lyrics? --MiSP 06:59, 7 October 2007 (EDT)
Then we can go around and tag a lot of songs on the site. On the other hand, something can be said in favor. Perhaps we can make two templates, PG and R, to replace the current one. The former to be used on pages with e.g. fuck occurring once or twice, R for heavier abuse of language or depictions of sex, violence, etc. Though this is an American system, I think it is sufficiently generally known to be useful. It would be a good task for a bot to go and auto-tag pages, while one or several people would go over the currently tagged pages to replace the rating. --Mischko Talkicon EsperanzaIcon 04:38, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
Little behind the times on replying, but wanted to make a point that might help clarify things a bit. Our {{pa}} template is exactly what it says it is—an advisory. You're not trying to decide what is decent or indecent for someone else, you're simply warning them that they might be offended by language or themes in the marked page. Whether they choose to continue viewing the particular article after seeing that warning is entirely up to them.
As such, I think we should apply these as freely as we see fit, and not be too concerned about reaction to them. To me, a {{pa}} is just a "friendly heads-up" about what's to follow, and nobody should get criticized for slapping one on if they feel the need. Done in good faith, it's nothing more than our users being considerate folks.
—  jF 03:20, 11 January 2008 (EST)
Exactly, it is just a heads-up that you may not like what follows. We don't want to censor or judge or rate anything here, that's not what this site is. This is provided as a courtesy to those who don't want those types of language.
- teknomunk (talk,E,) 12:37, 11 January 2008 (EST)

Music Video Links Are Not Working

I have checked the videos on YouTube them self but the links here are not working. I have checked many artists and none have worked. Depswa 21:41, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

I think your problem may be that you are double template-ing. When you use {{SongFooter}} you do not have to use {{Video}}. Check out this fix I made to one of the songs you've edited. --WillMak050389 23:07, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Ads messing up site

Please see discussion on LyricWiki_talk:Ads#Ad_messing_up_site
YukataNinja 17:06, 11 June 2007 (EDT)

Timestamp

I'm sure lyricwiki would like to be considered an international site. So, why are timestamps after signatures, etc in EDT? Why not GMT? This makes more sense for us international users. I don't even now what the time difference between EDT and GMT is... Has this been discussed anywhere before? This newbie would appreciate some feedback... :) Goldfritter 04:04, 16 June 2007 (EDT)

OK, it is now 9:49Z (= GMT without DST), that is 10:49 GMT with DST. For the server time, see my signature. It's indeed a strange offset, and I wonder where the minutes come from :)
Point of attention (not very important, but still...) ?
--Mischko Talkicon EsperanzaIcon 05:31, 16 June 2007 (EDT)
Err... At the risk of sounding ignorant: what do you mean by Point of Interest? Sorry... Goldfritter 15:30, 19 June 2007 (EDT)

Partial Lyrics?

If there are certain lyrics we are simply unable to decipher, is there any way to begin a page with partial lyrics? That way, when others contribute, we may end up with a full song. BigCat8 03:54, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

There is no official way to do this, so just mark the missing parts in anyway you can think of. It will be removed eventually anyway.
- teknomunk (talk,E,日本) 08:11, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

Artist Page / Album Page

I'm new to the site, and I've just started contributing. I'm doing major cleaning up for some artists I know well, and I'd like to know this: do I have to insert every album detail section twice, once in the artist page, and once in the album page? Or does one of these two get created automatically? If I have to do it twice, then I'm puzzled about creating album pages, since they seem to give no further informations. Thank you. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Samuelier (talkcontribs).

First, sign your posts. Second, album pages denote information pertaining to the album, i.e. the album cover, length, genre, all songs, and some other stuff. Yes, most of it is repeated, but there are some smaller details that go in. You can always add more, like guest artists or weird facts. --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 17:39, 23 June 2007 (EDT)

Sorry, I thought signing was automatic. Thanks for your reply, but.. is one of them two automatically generated from the other? (And which one, in case). --Samuelier 10:45, 25 June 2007 (EDT)

None are auto, but you could put noinclude tags and the subst the page... but meh unless it becomes a standard don't worry about it. --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 02:35, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

Too many connections

Admins, Is anyone else reciving the following error?

LyricWiki has a problem Sorry! This site is experiencing technical difficulties. Try waiting a few minutes and reloading. (Can't contact the database server: Unknown error (204.16.240.99))

or

Too many connections

This has been happening a lot today. --Jeff Saul (talk,contrib,E) 16:24, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

I got the latter a few times today. I don't know what can be done, as Sean hasn't been here in a while (he's on his honeymoon).
- teknomunk (talk,E,日本) 17:42, 26 June 2007 (EDT)

Same album, different countries & track listings

Hi, I'm going to be working on the Saint Etienne-related pages. I have been working on making the list of albums for the artist page, and I'm not sure what to do in cases where the same album was released in different countries, sometimes with different track listings and sometimes even in different years. I figure I could use multiple album templates in the album page itself if the wiki allows that, but I'm not sure how I should list the albums in the artist page to reflect the differences without it getting cluttered.

For the Saint Etienne pages I'll just list the UK releases (they are based in the UK) and await advice from the administrators, for now. Thanks. - Carolyn81 14:56, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Try to find out what the base album is, then add the additional tracks at the bottom like on Kamelot:Karma (2001). --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 23:38, 29 June 2007 (EDT)
Another way is to see at what I've done at the Mike Oldfield album Islands - just use sub-headings, like you would on a multiple-disc album. =) --MiSP 06:39, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

Admins Take Note

Over the past 24 hours, I have warned 3 similar IP address for Spam activities. User talk:200.83.4.3 User talk:200.83.4.4 User talk:200.83.4.5. From what i can tell, the IP originates in Chile. I just wanted to alert the admins to watch for this pattern of IP address.

While I have your attention, is there any talk page or such that only us admins can see? --Jeff Saul (talk,contrib,E) 09:20, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

What's about this one? 210.13.105.23 ( http://lyricwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=210.13.105.23 ) I fixed what I was able to. --MetalSnake 13:12, 6 July 2007 (EDT)

Delete Pages?

I hope this is the right place, if not tell me please. I found this page: Lacrimosa:Riun this seems to be typo a site which the bot take over. The correct lyric is already found at Lacrimosa:Ruin. --MetalSnake 18:08, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

I went ahead and deleted that page. In the future, if you want to mark a page for deletion, put {{Deletion| and put the reason it should be deleted here. }}
- teknomunk (talk,E,) 18:22, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Songs credited to the wrong artist

There's a series of songs credited to the wrong artist. Songs linked with Girl Velocity should be credited to Velocity Girl. There's no such artist as Girl Velocity. I'm new to the site, and couldn't figure out how to make this change myself. Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 12.193.35.130 (talk).

Welcome! The {{Move}} is made to place a marker for an admin to make a mass move like this. I've gone ahead and marked for Girl Velocity to be moved to Velocity Girl. If you are new to using wiki, you should look through the Help:Contents section and the help at wikipedia. Also sign your comments on talk pages by typing ~~~~. Thanks!
 - YukataNinja (TalkC) 14:11, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Timestamping Lyrics

some players can read .lrc lyrics if they're correctly timestamped (meaning each line begins with a XX:XX:XX time stamp). i think lyricwiki would be the perfect place to start a crowdsourcing project to timestamp lyrics. may i start doing so? should i start a "wikiproject" to do so? is there anyway the wiki could pe upgraded to show/hide timestamps so we can hide them when we find them annoying? capi talk 18:35, 16 July 2007 (EDT)

We would love it if you did so. This is the kind of project that wikis like this excel at. We actually already have a template to handle this {{Lrc}}, although I think it may need a little tweaking to allow it to be in a wiki page instead of an uploaded file. If you wouldn't mind writing up a help page and possibly getting together a basic project page, I think there would be plenty of people that would be willing to help (although maybe not at first).
It is excellent that you are willing to help and I look forward to working with you on this. And if you can, bring your friends :D
- teknomunk (talk,E,) 18:43, 16 July 2007 (EDT)
Well, i think since it's easier than editting wikimedia program for a new "LRC" tab, i will place it on ARTIST:SONG:LRC, that way it is kept under a pattern, and thus each song version gets its own LRC (which was a problem with uploading LRC files, as i saw in the {{Lrc}} archives). OK?
Now, for the project, is there a template i can use for creating a new project? and how do i create a new template to mark each lyric page that there should be (or already is) a LRC page for it? I think it should be two bottom-templates: one to ask people to add timestamps, and another one to tell them there already is. (i know you can create them, but i wanted to learn how to create them myself)
Finally, what program do you use to add timestamps? i use a plugin for winamp, but only in my parents house, since at home i run linux. what should i use?
capi talk 11:32, 17 July 2007 (EDT)
For the templates, if you can, modify {{Lrc}} to behave the way you want, i.e. link to a sub-page Artist:Title/lrc. It is better to have a / than a : separating the 'lrc' from the root pagename as MediaWiki will make backlinks automatically.
For requesting timestamps, have a look at the code for {{RequestKanji}} and {{Banner}} for an example of what to do and put the template under something like Template:RequestLrc. Make sure that the request template puts the page under a category so that all songs with pending requests can be found.
An issue with this I thought of is that one song may have several versions or remixes with different timings. However we do {{Lrc}} it will have to support having more than one on a page.
I don't use any program to add timestamps, but when I start, I would probably use audacity to find the offsets in the song; just import the song in and play through it a few times. (I single boot Kubuntu).
- teknomunk (talk,E,) 19:26, 17 July 2007 (EDT)
I like the idea, but I see a few problems regarding standardizing this: What is "correct" timestamps?
  • Should the line begin exactly when it begins singing, or a fraction of second earlier? (I like the latter, it looks more "correct" when viewed IMHO - but that's only, as said, IMHO.)
  • How do we deal with lyrics where the original text is just a single block, like Theatre of Tragedy's ...A Distance There Is...? There's quite a few long breaks in the song where having a highlighted line would look rather weird. Should an empty line be added there so the lyric highlighting can "rest" there until the lyrics begin again?
  • If so: How long should it be between two lines before adding an empty rest-line in between is applicable?
  • How does one know that the timestamps are correct? Many of the songs you download on the net is not accurately ripped, and may well be off by over half a second compared to the original (e.g. CD).
I'm not complaining or saying it is a bad idea (I'm rather for it, actually), but we need to think about some things before we act. Also, software should be build and implemented into this site that can automatically create offsets for the user - this would solve the last point above, and possibly also the first (the timestamps can be synced exactly with the music, and the user - e.g. me - can then add an offset of a fraction of a second before downloading). Any thoughts? --MiSP 06:54, 7 October 2007 (EDT)== Bands with a side project ==

Sometimes bands have a side project. For example, XTC recorded two albums as The Dukes of the Stratosphear. Should this appear on their own page, on the XTC page, or both? Intelligence3 19:09, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

I'd say that you could add a note about the side project on the XTC page (at least under the "Related artists" heading), and have the other albums on their own pages. --MiSP 17:08, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

Maori Songs / Waiata

Amazed nobody has listed any Maori songs yet, so I'm going to get busy and list a few to start off. I will endeavor to add more as I get time. Hopefully some others will come along and contribute.

Who Performed This Song and What's The Title??

I was at Cedar Point Amusement Park a few days ago and, in a loop of summer related tunes they played a fantastic song that included the following lyric:

"I want to sit here in the sand"

It also made reference to "summertime in this town"

The sound was reminiscent of Chicago. I really enjoyed it and made a note of the most prominent lyric stated above, thinking I could easily find out what it was. Only, I can't find it anywhere! Can anyone help?

Thanks in advance! Joecrow 21:12, 27 July 2007 (EDT)

Artists sharing the same name

I'm wondering if there is some kind of policy for addressing bands that share the same name. I've recently started filling in lyrics for songs and albums by The Angels, but the original page contained songs by both the American Girl Group and the Australian Band. I followed Wikipedia's convention and renamed The Angels I'm working on as "The Angels (Australian band), leaving the other songs in the original place as that band existed first. Does anyone have a problem with how I handled this? Does anyone have any other ideas or suggestions for such an occurrence? Kazashi 00:27, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

That would be perfect for you to separate the Artists that way, since they are clearly distinct groups. Keep in mind, though, that you will have to use this notation not only for the Artist page itself, but also for every Song and Album as well. Looking at your history, I am not sure that you did that. The Songs and Albums need to be consistent with the Artist for ease of searching and less confusion.
You will need to move each of them from [[The Angels:Song Title]] to [[The Angels (Australian band):Song Title]]. Unfortunately we cannot Batch move them, because that would move the others there too. Good catch! Let me know if you need help. --Jeff Saul (T-C-E) 08:42, 31 July 2007 (EDT)
Thanks! Yeah, I will have to go back and fix all the songs and albums to use the updated title, in the case of the songs it automatically loaded [[The Angels:Song Title]]. I've still got more lyrics to write up, so when I next get the chance to sit down and work on them I'll adjust the other song titles accordingly. Kazashi 21:30, 31 July 2007 (EDT)
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