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There is now a page explaining our ads to the users... I moved this discussion over to the "LyricWiki:Ads" page's talk-page so that it doesn't take up the whole Community Portal :).
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Hi i really like your site! 24.229.120.27 11:46, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

New-Article Templates

I'm putting the finishing touches on New-Article Templates (about darned-frickin-tootin' time... dunno why I never did this before). Basically the extension detects what type of page it is (assuming the naming standards are followed) and if it is in the main namespace (don't want templates on LyricWiki, MediaWiki, Help, etc. pages) and fills the text-box with most of the informationz.
Thought I'd give a heads up so that ppl could check it out.
Let me know what you think,
-Sean Colombo 23:59, 5 April 2007 (EDT)

Sounds cool, can't wait to see it in action.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 00:14, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
The templates are now live, they will automatically show up, but can be overridden in the extremely-rare case that the default would be wrong. If people don't like the new header above new articles, you can change the way it appears on MediaWiki:Newarticletext.
-Sean Colombo 01:52, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
MediaWiki:Newarticletext requires that you are an administrator for edits. Please put drafts on MediaWiki_talk:Newarticletext for review.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 02:01, 6 April 2007 (EDT)
This should save loads of time for new pages. Great job! --WillMak050389 02:41, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

MusicBrainz Redux

Greetings, I have just found this wiki. I have recently finished tagging my music collection with MusicBrainz and I was investigating how to pull down lyrics for songs that have been correctly identified. Unfortunetly there doesn't appear to be any connectivity work done from MusicBrainz to lyrics which is how I ended up here. Now before I get stuck in here I'm merely in an investigative phase of a personal project and maybe LyricWiki isn't the place for me my following discourse is speculative. I would though be interested in feedback.

So after spending part of today browsing your site I have noticed that there is some MusicBrainz information here and there but it doesn't appear to be standardised or searchable. The main piece for information that would be great is the MusicBrainz ID. This is a unique ID that has been assigned to each song. What would be great is if you had this ID for a song a request could be sent to this site and the lyrics for that song is returned, sounds simple but in implementation it could be harder. One of the big ones is that songs are connected to albums and albums are connected to artists. At the moment the musicBrainz ID for artists appear to be added to the Lyricswiki pages, Cool (but not searchable). Things start to get funny when moving to albums. Artists tend to have multiple releases for the same album, usually in different markets. Check out these two links Blur - Parklife 1 and Blur - Parklife 2 they are the same album. These each have a unique MB ID and as a result the parallel songs in each album have unique MBID's see so the track Blur:This Is A Low has two MBIDs 76f49504-0b54-4e31-908f-070e5916fa62 and a952484f-55dd-4952-a1f1-939f49eb24fa.

So if LyricWiki was interested in connecting through to MusicBrainz how would, should MBIDs be added to pages so that they would be searchable. I have been looking at MusicBrainz for the last few weeks and I working on how to create a bot that might back connect LyricWiki to MusicBrainz. (This is part of other work I have been doing but it may be able to redeploy if there is interest).

Any way I have rummaged around this site a bit and didn't find much discussion on how MusicBrainz should be used, maybe I didn't dig deep enough, all I could find was section 4 on this page Community Portal 2007 January 14 - 2007 March 9 so if there is a discussion I missed I'm sorry. Apart from that I would be interested in other people feedback. Cheers! Douglas.kastle 04:14, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

First off, welcome to LyricWiki! :)
As for MusicBrainz, it sounds like if you could create a spider to scrape MBIDs, then a wiki-bot to insert them into LyricWiki pages (we could create appropriate fields in {{artist}}, {{SongFooter}}, etc.) that would be pretty awesome. After that point we could make it searchable. If no other way than just through the API. If you get the MBIDs scraped, let us know and a bunch of us here can help on the other side of it.
Shweet idea :)
-Sean Colombo 03:28, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
Just a note about MusicBrainz future that could interest you: a current work is TrackMerging that would allow to share the same MBIDs for identical tracks through different releases.

Big Page Again

I was reading in the archives regarding Big Page and found the Rolling Stones page. I have attempted to do this with Jimmy Buffett, but I took it further and wanted to see your opinion. The Rolling Stones page is really four sub pages, each having all songs for Albums on that subpage. For Jimmy Buffett, I segment into decade, but all on one page, and there is no direct list of songs on the Artist Page. The songs are listed under each Album page. I did this because I feel it is extremely redundant to have the songs links by Album on the Artist page and also have then on the Album page. Not to mention, Jimmy Buffett has 8 Live Albums and at least with previously released material (i.e. Greatest Hits), so I thought it would be cumbersome to have Jimmy Buffett:Margaritaville listed 9 different times on the Artist page (In truth there are 3 versions; Original, Live, and Live Extended). I also began uploading all of the Album Artwork and have reserved placeholders for them on the Artist page. --Jeff 12:19, 6 April 2007 (EDT)

PUID, song length, Track Gain...

It would be easier to associate lyrics with a particular track if there was more then just an Artist and Track. For example, using the MusicBrainz and MusicIP PUID you could begin to associate lyrics more easily with the correct tracks. Add track length and track gain (search replaygain) and you should be able to uniquely identify tracks to associate lyrics with. Even more important for timestamped lyrics and to avoid problems with live versions, ect...

As long as you are try license lyrics why not try and license album art at the same time? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.223.179.238 (talk).

Help Editing/Correcting Lyrics

Hi, I'm new at LyrickWicki but I wrote a lot in Wikipedia. As a portuguese I tried to help with accented lyrics. I changed one but I couldn't remove the banner that says those lyrics had to be changed. Even in the help section, I couldn't find it. How can I remove that banner? Or can't I remove it, and wait for an administrator finds it's not usefull anymore? On the other hand I uploaded a CD cover and I couldn't change it, but today I found it's on the right place. Thank you --Ludovico 09:20, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

The banner is created by {{Accent}}, removing this line will get rid of it.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 09:47, 4 May 2007 (EDT)
As for the picture...If you used the "Upload cover" link under a "No cover available" picture (as on In Extremo:Kein Blick Zurück (2006)), then you should hit the "Purge page" link to refresh the page. If you would like to hardwire a picture on an Album page, then use (or add, if its missing) the |Cover= parameter with the name of the picture file that you uploaded to the {{Album}} template at the top of the page.
Also, on the Artist's page, you can use the {{Album Art|picturename.jpg}} below the album's header to add the picture there. If you do, it is good to add <div style="clear:both;"></div> below the listing of the album's songs to space out the albums correctly. Hope this helps. --Kiefer 13:17, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

Thank you. I'm gonna start cleaning accented characters and loading a few CD covers. --Ludovico 13:38, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

Re-Introduce Myself

Hello All! I just wanted to let you know that Sean has graciously asked me to be an Admin. I accept this responsibility with great honor. As such, I also have joined Esperanza in order to help the community as well.

So for the users, I will do what I can to help you.

To the Admins, while looking around, I saw on the Request For Move page that there is a special script for bulk moves. How do I find that and use it as well as any other new things I should be aware of. I look forward to helping out!

Side-Note 1 How do I customize my sig to include as below without doing it manually?
Side-Note 2 I updated my preferences to include my email, however I still have not received the confirmation email to enable my addy. Does anyone know why? Thanks!

--Jeff 14:41, 6 May 2007 (EDT)(talk,contrib,E)

In the special pages menu, at the bottom, there are links for admin special pages ("Restricted special pages"). Bulk move is found at Special:Batchmove.
For your sig, go into your preferences, on the first tab there is a box for nickname, put in the code you want to show up as your sig and make sure "raw signatures" is checked.
Also, your email may detect the confirmation email as spam, check your junk file or change your junk filter and try to send the confirmation email again. Hope this helps! --WillMak050389 16:19, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
Strange thing, if I put in my gmail addy, then I receive the confirmation email. If I put in my wiki@jeffasaul.com, which is a free AOL address. I don't receive the email, even with SPaM turned off. I do receive other emails so I know its not the address. Any Clue anybody? --Jeff (talk,contrib,E) 18:18, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
Welcome, fellow admin! Your various projects have certainly shown your dedication and care with regards to LyricWiki and it's great to have you aboard. It's even greater to not be the n00b admin anymore! :-p I had to try a couple of times to get my e-mail confirmation as well, by the way. I hope you're enjoying the new tools, though! ----Kiefer KieferE KieferTalk 20:22, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

fLetter - Assistance is much appreciated.

Hello. I've been recently fixing fLetters (in song footers) where I could. But I've noted the there were quite a lot of fLetter=Symbol used for songs without any symbol songtitles (even English ones) where the first letter of the title is quite obvious.

Now I, at the moment, have got a few possible explanations that one might give and they are:

  • I'm not 100% sure about what letter the title begins with;
  • (For Japanese titles) I'm not sure what the Romaji title is, hence not knowing what the first letter is;
  • Ah, I'll leave that for someone else to do it or for later;
  • I haven't enough time to do it (rushing).

So far I've tried my best to look through the list of fLetter=Symbols (and have also gone off the path a couple of times i.e. did extra), but I began to wonder:

  • Could a bot (or another human) also help me out in this task? I might be asking for too much, but I just thought that songs that began with letters of the alphabet might be a good start (and I believe that it would be much easier than foreign characters such as Japanese);
  • Also, could this need for inserting the correct fLetter be slightly emphasised?

Hmmm, in the meantime, I'll get back to some more fixing... (it'd be much easier if I could choose subcategories (such as languages) within Category:Songs_Symbol)

Bleah, I'm complaning too much... :P - BryghtShadow 06:57, 8 May 2007 (EDT)

p.s. I just realised that quite a few of them were my own doing :P - BryghtShadow 07:44, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
p.s. Another thing I suspect. Have Bots and templates got something to do with this minor error? Hmmm... *pondering* - BryghtShadow 07:51, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
The new Auto templates place Symbol in automatically as the fLetter. Most newbies don't appear to change it. So, thank you, everyone who is helping clear out some Symbol junk! ----Kiefer KieferE KieferTalk 09:33, 8 May 2007 (EDT)
I see. ...but something that still bugs me is that some pages (not entirely sure due not checking every self-edited pages' history) which had smallcaps titles were Bot generated... Could you check on that when you have the chance? Thanks (I think I'm posting under the wrong place, but my mind is too tired to think right now =.= I need some sleep) - BryghtShadow 07:30, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

Category:Artists

I think should exist only this Category. Now it's too difficult to see an artist because we never know if he's listed in this category or in the sub-category artistname_first character. If I want to find John Lee Hooker, for me, it's wrong to go to category:artists_h, subcategory character J. It's too confusing. --Ludovico 05:32, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

I agree to 'only one Category' and that is: the main one, period.
However, having said that quite confidently I've got one question in regards to this topic (I'm not sure if this has been mentioned and/or discussed somewhere else so I'll ask again): fLetter-formatting Japanese artists with Surname_Firstname format, it was the fLetter of their Firstname, right? Or was it the fLetter of the first name (which is usually the Surname) that they use?
Argh, I'm now confused x_x - BryghtShadow 07:19, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
We just have to make a rule and follow it. If everybody follows the same rule, even if it's different in their own country (remember this is Internet, we are working for all world) it will be easier to find what we are looking for or inserting new pages or correcting the old ones. I will use only the main Category for Artists, Albuns and Songs, until an administrator tells me not to do it. --Ludovico 07:36, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
If you go to Category:Artists and look at the ones listed under just plain-old Artist, they have the {{Artist}} template, but no fLetter specified. (Sometimes they will have the specific Category:Letter spelled out, however.) This is in error with our current standards. They should all be placed in their specific alphabetic category by adding fLetter to the Artist template. This is an update that should be continually worked on as the Wiki improves. Any help that anyone can give with this is appreciated.
As for Japanese artists, you may want to look through Teknomunk's contributions to see what he's done with regards to fLetter, as he's the architect of the Japanese-related formatting on the site.
----Kiefer KieferE KieferTalk 12:02, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
Ok, thanks. This has helped. :) - BryghtShadow 04:48, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

LW Policy: Lyrics

Hey guys I see that there aren't many policies at the moment, and the most important is the one related to Lyrics. The reason I find this important is because 1)this is a lyric wiki and 2)there are many styles of denoting lyrics.

First of all, LW already uses the lyric tag to display it in a certain manner, so that should be in the policy.

Secondly, things like the first word of every line being capitalized and the end of every line not having a period could be things to add, however these are of course debatable additions.

Additionally, the thing that makes the most difference to me is denoting what words are in the song versus the actual lyrics. Not following? I'm talking about pages that list each stanza only once, even if they are used many times. When I look for lyrics, I prefer the entire song to be listed. I don't want to have to scroll up and down to find my place, I want to know what comes next. When I'm singing, I want to know if one stanza has a minor difference (i.e. a different word or an additional word).

See where I'm going with this? I find it important, do you? (Btw, I'm a registered user, just not logged in) --70.89.126.81 19:11, 9 May 2007 (EDT)

The only item not found on the Help:FS page is the part about having all the words of a song listed, without chorus notations, etc. whenever possible and whenever it wouldn't be rediculously repetitive. (Usually at the end of the song, such as Journey's Lovin', Touchin', Squeezin' which na-na's for a minute or so.) I guess that point perhaps needs some clarifying, so I'll add a bit to that page. Thanks. ----Kiefer KieferE KieferTalk 23:27, 9 May 2007 (EDT)
There should be a policy page linking to that if it's a standard. --Notmyhandle 00:21, 10 May 2007 (EDT)
It is my understanding that policy pages aren't for listing the formatting standards for the site, as that is what the Help pages are for. Policy pages should deal with community standards of behavior, situations that site administrators would have to react to, and disciplinary actions that might take place. (Usually all rolled up into one, such as with site vandalism.) ----Kiefer KieferE KieferTalk 08:19, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

Song Template

I think that the song template should have also the command "Length" as the album template. I'm inserting some lyrics and nearly all of the songs have written their length but I don't know where to put there in the song page (all the songs formated the same way...). --Ludovico 08:44, 10 May 2007 (EDT)

Song Credits Template

Do we have a template that lets us denote who wrote the lyrics or composed the music? On many songs, bands list such credits. --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 18:41, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

We don't. So far, I have just added a ==Credits== section directly above the {{SongFooter}} and listed the credits there.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 23:10, 12 May 2007 (EDT)

Artist profiles

This particular subject may have been proposed before. How about profile pages for artist, band members and their ilk? Articles with extensive information about the people behind the music. Such as sex, birth/death place/date, former and current memberships/projects, a photograph and different aliases etc. The pages exist in a new type of namespace - examples seen here:

I also made a first version of the profile template to be used here - User:Frontway/Template:Profile. So, yeah, speak your mind. --Frontway 11:15, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

I don't really see myself using this, I generally work on just the lyrics and basic formatting. I have a hard time doing encyclopaedic type writing, which is why my only real edits to Wikipedia are spelling and grammar corrections.
I don't think that we should have full articles about the artist, leave that to sites like Wikipedia. However, I have seen other people putting this type of information at the top of the artist page and I don't think there is anything wrong with doing that as long as it is short.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 21:42, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, see, I really don't think there's a need for artist profiles when we already link to Wikipedia pages on all the sites.
TheIndieGunsGo

Help:Non-English Songs; out of date?

On Help:Non-English Songs under the title name section, the examples are now redirects to a page of a different name, thus negating the instructions of that help section. Can someone update this section please? --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 21:06, 13 May 2007 (EDT)

Teknomunk fixed it. Thanks! ----Kiefer KieferE KieferTalk 23:45, 13 May 2007 (EDT)
I have a problem with that though, the album 鳳 (ほう) (2001) by Maximum the Hormone contains parenthesis itself. Should I just put another parenthetical afterwards (in between the first and the year)??? --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 01:34, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
Additionally, the artist 中島みゆき noted in that help example has all of their albums as 中島みゆき:AlbumName; thus not following the previous title convention. What about those links, are they just wrong? --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 01:40, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
Is 鳳 (ほう) the actual name of the album? As far as I can tell, the name is just '鳳' [1] In that case, it would not be a problem.
中島みゆき needs to be fixed. When I have time, I will do a batch move on the artist. There are a few other artists with the same problem, i.e. were created during the time we were still settling on a standard. These just need to be found and fixed.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 11:22, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
On the band's website it lists it with the parenthetical as 鳳 (ほう). However I wonder what that means in the parenthesis... Google language tools translates ほう as "one." And the album is the "1st, mini Album." Not really sure though. Also know Amazon isn't a very good source for names, since it's by user suggestion a lot of the time (I've been able to change certain things before, to be more accurate). --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 20:52, 14 May 2007 (EDT)
According to my dictionary 鳳 is pronounced 'hou' (or written in Japanese kana, ほう) and is defined as a mythical Firebird God, something like a Phoenix except probably without the rebirth from ashes thing.
Usually when I come across Japanese text that has something in parenthesis, is is usually a reading of the kanji directly before it. This is done instead of using something called furigana (振りがな) which has the reading above the kanji. This is usually done for words that are not commonly know to the target audience. The other reason that a reading is provided for kanji is when it is read as a different word to give a slightly different meaning to a word. A common example of this is 運命 (Unmei,Fate) being read as 定め (Sadame,Destiny). You usually find this in poetry and music lyrics.
On Musicbrainz the album is listed as 'Ootori' [2]. In ja.wikipedia.org, the album is listed as '鳳' [3]
But if the album actually contains parenthesis, just list the romanization after the one that is part of the album.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 21:32, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

What happened?

I logged on this morning and there are over 422K pages. On Friday, it was somewhere around 218K. WTF?
--Jeff (talk,contrib,E) 09:07, 14 May 2007 (EDT)

A while ago, we were losing page count due to an error in the software. Sean fixed the statistics (see Talk:Main Page#Stats), though you may want to check with him to make sure this is not another error. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by teknomunk (talk).

Thoughts For A Japanese Music Group

I have had this on my mind for some time now, but I think it is about time to present it to the community.

I don't think it is any secret that I work almost exclusively on Japanese lyrics and I have noticed a recent influx of people working on these lyrics. I would like a group formed to help coordinate the task of updating and inputting Japanese lyrics.

In my opinion a good group should stay out of the way as much as possible, providing help when needed and asked for, not policing the actions of others. As such, my thoughts on what the group should be responsible for is this:

  • Provide a place to coordinate the romanization and translation of Japanese lyrics and provide a way to have peer reviews of both.
  • Provide a way to pool resources such as CD booklet scans, websites, etc. to help with translations and romanizations.
  • Provide a place for discussing Japan, the Japanese language and culture as it relates to lyrics and music.

Personally, I am most interested in getting peer reviews of translations, as this is the area in which I currently am focusing my Japanese studies.

I don't expect this to take off immediately, but I wanted to get the idea out there for discussion. Any thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
- teknomunk (talk,E) 13:14, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

You're essentially talking about a group of moderator-like people, right? I think it's a good idea to create some uniformity amongst all of the lyrics here; some songs are listed under Japanese text titles while others are under romanized Japanese titles. The issue of romanization form also needs to be examined.
I have my resources for lyrics and personal guidelines for authenticity. I'd be happy to discuss those with other people. -Atashi 14:49, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
Somewhat. We as individuals would identify malformed lyrics and mark them to be fixed. The group would be for asking questions such as "Is X a correct way to translate Y?" or "How should X be romanized in this instance?".
I was thinking of something similar to this page for discussing policy, a section of the help pages that we would maintain (the ones specific to Japanese), and such. As you mentioned, getting standards for romanization is probably one of the very first things we will decide.
The other main thing I was thinking about is that this would be for helping each other proofread our translations and romanizations. I know that I have made mistakes in translation, and if this can help catch those cases where this happened and will happen, then I think it will be well worth it.
But, yes, simply put, we will moderate the Japanese lyrics.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 22:37, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
Sounds good to me. I'd try and help as much as possible. --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 22:16, 16 May 2007 (EDT)
Ooh, sounds very good to me :). Even as a Japanese, I still need sharpening of my skills, and I believe that as a group, it would be great help to many. Also, I'd love to help out as much as possible in kanji, romanizing and translating. -- BryghtShadow 06:43, 17 May 2007 (EDT)
I agree that standards for romanization is an important issue, and there are rooms for discussion. Many different standards available, and sometimes the lyric would be represented in an unusal way, e.g. words usually use KATAKANA represented in hiragana. These issues need discussions.
Maybe I cannot help the translation part, but I would glad to see peer reviews.
And a place can discuss things releated to music and lyrics really attracts me.
--Fujirou 07:07, 17 May 2007 (EDT)
I threw something basic up at LyricWiki:Japan.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 13:42, 17 May 2007 (EDT)
Looks great! Sad to say, my Japanese is real bad (I'm not a Japanese, myself), so I'd be taking more help than contributing. — 0612 (TALK); Posted: 02:11, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
Wow, it's looking great! I can already see it growing. -- BryghtShadow 06:26, 18 May 2007 (EDT)

SOTD Nomination Template

I have just created a new template to help nominations for Song of the Day. I often find new/inexperienced editors using incorrect syntax for SOTD nominations, so this will help eliminate it.

For use: {{subst:SOTDNom|Artist=<<Artist>>|Song=<<Song Title>>|Reason=<<Reason>>}}

The template automatically signs for you and as long as you use the "subst:" function, it should not interfere with Überbot, as it should be the correct syntax. More info can be seen at SOTD page or the template page (links above). So what do you think? --WillMak050389 16:01, 16 May 2007 (EDT)

I like it, but there should also be a Day parameter so we can specify what day it should be featured if the reasoning has to do with something like it being a single released on a specific day. However, I assume that's the only situation so that could actually work in the reason parameter... but if you can think of more situations then it would call for the Day parameter. --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 04:23, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
I have added a new parameter for any additional notes; it is not a required parameter. Hope you like it! --WillMak050389 15:01, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
You should also post information regarding the template on the SOTD page. --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 23:05, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
I have added information about the template on the page (see this edit). I have not added the parameters table that is on the template page, do you think this would help more? --WillMak050389 23:58, 18 May 2007 (EDT)
No just reference it, make sure there's a link to the template page for more information. We want to tell them that it's there, but there's no reason to duplicate info. --Notmyhandle (talk contribs) 02:39, 21 May 2007 (EDT)

Thoughts for a Help page for Japanese lyrics

This idea of a Guideline/Help page for Japanese (and hopefully for other languages) has been mentioned a few times in LyricWiki_talk:Japan and LyricWiki_talk:Japan#Guidelines, and I'm hoping to gather many thoughts regarding this.

If it were to be created, under what link shall it be created?
- BryghtShadow 05:38, 22 May 2007 (EDT)

I assume since nobody replied to this, either nobody cares, or it is okay to do. Either way, the page(s) are going to get created, using the guidelines discussed at LyricWiki_talk:Japan.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 00:52, 31 May 2007 (EDT)

Newbie Question

Is there an actual message board associated with LyricWiki.org, or is this the best forum to ask a question?

I am trying to find the lyrics or a link to them for the parody song of Terry Cashman's Talkin' Baseball called Talkin' Dopeball. It aired during a 1983 Weekend Update segment on Saturday Night Live, and dealt with the rampant use of drugs in professional sports. --86Beaver 06:26 pm, 23 May 2007 (PDT)

As far as I can tell, the lyrics haven't yet made their way onto the 'net. No YouTube matches, either. Sorry. ----Kiefer KieferE KieferTalk 23:38, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

Soundtrack Template

In my attempt to standardize how we handle Soundtracks, I have created a new template for Soundtrack Albums: Template:Album/Soundtrack.

It automatically assigns Genre=Soundtrack, including sub-category (movie, musical, etc.) It also can handle Various Artists or Artist; for this I used a nifty IF statement. (We could also this line in the normal Album Template, thus eliminating the need for VariousArtistsAlbum Template).

I will also work on defining the standard in a help page, for now I will give basics here. User:JeffASaul/Sandbox

I am also thinking of subcategorizing Disney films. I know this is done to some degree, but I want to make it cleaner.

Let me know what you think.
--Jeff Saul (talk,contrib,E) 09:20, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

Can the Orphaned Pages be made more accessible?

There are a lot of orphaned pages, ~100 000. It would be great if these were more accessible than just by an alphabetic listing. I would like to be able to see the orphaned pages for one artist, so I could add orhpaned songs to the artist page, replace duplicate pages with redirects and so on. Perhaps a search in the orphaned pages would be possible, a list of orphaned pages of one namespace (= artist) or 2–3 letter jumplinks like on category pages? Hs 11:33, 23 May 2007 (EDT)

I have the same issue myself. I have found a way to make it a bit less painful.
When you go to the page, the url looks like this
http://lyricwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Lonelypages
and you will see 200 on a page. If you click on 500, your url will look like this
http://lyricwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Lonelypages&limit=500&offset=0
change the limit=500 to limit=5000 (this is the highest it can go) this will show 5,000 on a page
Change the offset=0' to offset=10000 this will show the list strating with item 10,001. You can change this value based on where in the alphabet the item you are looking for is (S for example would be somewhere around 70,000 or so)
It's not a perfect solution, but it's better than scrolling through so many pages.
Hope this helps!--Jeff Saul (talk,contrib,E) 12:42, 23 May 2007 (EDT)
Thanks, that’s a start! Hs 17:05, 25 May 2007 (EDT)
There are far too many orphaned pages, is there some way to make a bot that can go through and add all of these orphaned pages to the Other Songs section of artists? I'll look around on how to do this, but if an admin knows how to do it easily that would be nice. Would there be any objections to doing this mass updating?
YukataNinja 15:55, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
Or an easier thing to do would be to make the server cache the special page for orphaned pages, the default is to generate it per request which is very slow because of the ~100,000 pages it has to organize each time. I don't know how to do this with the mediawiki software, but I know that is how wikipedia has it for their orphaned page.
YukataNinja 16:49, 7 July 2007 (EDT)
The server has been changed to cache special pages that are resource expensive (like orphaned pages listing). I think it might take a week for the cache to be built.
 - YukataNinja (TalkC) 16:53, 12 July 2007 (EDT)
Is this why as of today, there is still only 1,000 items. (Beginning with punc, numbers and A). The rest of the alphabet still does not show. --Jeff Saul (T-C-E) 09:50, 31 July 2007 (EDT)
It looks like mediawiki limits cache-ing to 1000 pages. Might be a work around, I do not know.  - YukataNinja (TalkC) 16:40, 31 July 2007 (EDT)

Collaboration with MusicBrainz, please?

There seems to be some effort to include discographies and exact copyrights for each song in LyricWiki. Please do not do it! Instead, there should be a track link or maybe several links to Musicbrainz! This way, all the necessary information can be extracted from Musicbrainz, including Amazon links, last.fm links and so on. Likewise, there is a better place for album covers and music clips are better off at last.fm or even YouTube. Do not duplicate the effort, if Musicbrainz is missing info, include it there and concentrate on creating a better LyricWiki here. Thanks. 85.179.221.17 16:31, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

The comment above is mine, haven't registered just then Pronik 16:45, 28 May 2007 (EDT)

I agree. Do not duplicate the efforts of other projects, instead link to them. Ideally song lyrics would be tagged with the song PUID (the musicbrainz identifier). This will be especially important if timestamped lyrics become more popular so the correct lyrics are associated with the correct version of the song. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.44.15.170 (talkcontribs).

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