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Lyrics for Creative Commons licensed music

It should be possible to add lyrics of music licensed under a Creative Commons license without legal problems. One of the requirements of the "Share Alike" clause is that the license text or at least its URI must be delivered together with the work. So I propose to create one or more templates (who could do that?), to be used on the bottom of song pages, that display a creative commons button and link to the license text. What do you think? Hs 08:43, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Anyone could do that... you seem to know the most about it, so you might as well try to make it and if you have problems, I'm sure other users will jump right on to try to help when they see it. Sounds like a good idea :)
-Sean Colombo 21:16, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Mail problems: fixing...

I just found out that the mail server has been getting all of it's messages bounced since about Jan 23rd. I'm trying to fix it now (I have no idea how to do this... yet. Something to do with a banned list because the server is set up wrong I think. I'll post when I have it fixed, but until then, just realize that emails aren't getting sent out so you won't get notifications of page changes, password resets, or "Send to a friend" emails.
-Sean Colombo 21:14, 2 February 2007 (EST)

It's fixed, emails should work again.
-Sean Colombo 23:05, 2 February 2007 (EST)

Song Navigation

Would it be possible to add arrows or "Next Song/Previous Song" buttons to song pages? It would be really convenient to be able to move to the next lyric page without having to go back to the artist or album page and then going to the lyric page. Punching Kittens 02:10, 3 February 2007 (EST)

Doesn't sound bad, but... what if a song is in multiple albums? And what if the song is no album? what if the next song page doesn't exist? --Unaiaia (please, reply here) 05:16, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Just a thought, we could probably use succession boxes (similar to Template:Futurama navigation) with the artist and album in the middle box. It could be used multiple times for multiple albums. For a song not on an album, the box would not be needed. Not sure what to do if next song doesn't exist yet, it would break the succession chain. Just thought I'd give my two cents. Comments/ concerns? --WillMak050389 12:17, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Good idea, we can add parameters just in case the next song doesn't exist, something like {{prevnext|prev=Artist:SongPrev|next=Artist:SongNext}}, if there is no next song you can use {{prevnext|prev=Artist:SongPrev|next=none|nonext=Artist:SongNextNext}}, that would say something like: Previous song: SongPrev, Next song:SongNext (link in red), Next Song with lyrics: SongNextNext. Or something like this... --Unaiaia (please, reply here) 12:45, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Great, now the problem would be to add this to all song pages. Could we get User:ÜberBot or User:R2-D2 programmed to do this, since it would be a monumental task to do without a bot? I'm not good with computer code, or I would help with this. --WillMak050389 13:01, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Where on the page would you put this? The header can be rather crowded for some songs, like 川田まみ (Mami Kawada):Radiance. And it is not really a good idea to put this at the bottom of the page. Any suggestions? Should this replace the {{Song}} in the header?
- teknomunk (talk,E) 13:17, 6 February 2007 (EST)
If goes under I think it should go between the lyrics and the SongFooter template. If it's in the header changing the Song template for this can be an idea, but maybe it's crazy to change all the songs again.
Anywhere under the lyrics would be a good idea. If you're reading through the lyrics you don't want to scroll all the way up to change songs, it's almost as bad as going back to the album page. Punching Kittens Talk!
I'm planning to run R2-D2 through all the lyrics again to put each of them in the correct album, so i guess he could take care of this if we finally do it. I'll be out of town for a couple of weeks and R2-D2 still has many edits to do, so we have time. --Unaiaia (please, reply here) 13:25, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Something similar to where the Wikipedia box normally goes on an artist page, perhaps?--Kiefer 13:39, 6 February 2007 (EST)
I have the same concerns as Unaiaia. The problem is that, unlike Futurama episodes, there isn't necessarily a permanent "before" and "after" to a song. They're just not always that static/linear. Part of me would say that the template could be used for linking to the before and after songs off of its original album and ignore compilations and such. Some songs, however, are released as bonuses on compilation albums. Or they are released on two original albums. (I can think of two examples of this, and I'm sure there are more.)
So, I think that the template should be made because most songs do not have these problems, but I think using a bot to do it could be a huge mess. It would be a nice tool, but I wouldn't make it "mandatory" or even a suggestion...just an option. --Kiefer 13:39, 6 February 2007 (EST)
But with this template, we could have multiple ones right on top of each other [see bottom (succession boxes for super bowl wins) of Pittsburgh Steelers for an example] each box could have the album title in the middle box and more than one box could be used for multiple albums. --WillMak050389 16:27, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Links between songs i find very important for concept albums. For me, these albums are not a collection of songs, but a work in themselves, and can not be listened to as individual songs. The links between these songs are very important. I have previously set up tables to facilitate this, however I agree that automating the creation of any form of links to be difficult.
On the issue of an song being found on more than one album, how is the information for the Song template decided?
-TrevorP 21:51, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Multiple Song templates, with <br/> between them. It can get a bit ridiculous in some instances, such as the Yes song "Roundabout" which is listed on 12 albums, if every instance is listed, however. :-) --Kiefer 22:07, 6 February 2007 (EST)

Soundtracks And Various Artist Releases

I was asked today about how to do soundtracks. I know about the brief discussions here and here, which touch more on compilations than soundtracks. I think that this is enough of a common issue that we really should come up with a much more official policy that is included in the help pages.

This is my opinion and how I answered:

I see quite a few '"`UNIQacc60d4c0c15db-nowiki-00000005-QINU`"'-type stuff when it comes to soundtracks, but "Big Movie Name" isn't really the artist of the album, so that doesn't quite make sense to me. Personally, I would just leave the artist designation off, and use '"`UNIQacc60d4c0c15db-nowiki-00000006-QINU`"'. The release date in parenthesis differentiates the page name as an album and not an artist. Then '"`UNIQacc60d4c0c15db-nowiki-00000007-QINU`"' should be added, and the Song template normally used on the lyric pages (as long as the song ONLY appears on the soundtrack) would have to be left off, and a more manual creation of a link back to the album page would need to be created. If the situation changes, then the page can always be moved.

So, what does everybody think? --Kiefer KieferE KieferTalk 21:53, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Here are my thoughs:
  • I think that if there is only a single soundtrack, and not a series, then what you suggested [[Movie Soundtrack Name (YEAR)]] looks good. I would prefer to have something in the artist name, however.
  • If there is more than one soundtrack, the movie/series should have a page that list the various soundtracks. In this case, the title format would be [[Series Name:Volume Name (YEAR)]]. This is what Sean covered.
  • If one of the artists has a disproportionate number of tracks, the soundtrack should be listed under that artist. Example: 梶浦由記 (Yuki Kajiura):Noir Original Soundtrack, Volume 1 (2001) - all tracks except two are by 梶浦由記 (Yuki Kajiura).
This is just of the top of my head. My views are obviously skewed towards anime OSTs in this regard.
- teknomunk (talk,E) 22:33, 18 February 2007 (EST)

Romanising Japanese lyrics

Hi, just came across a very small challenge while Romanising Japanese lyrics. For example, "んや" and "にゃ" both become "nya" when Romanised. Without much knowledge of Japanese, they both would be the same when romanised (i think). But when typed on my VAIO PC, "nya" becomes "にゃ", and "nnya" becomes "んや".

Just my opinion.

- White Shadow 08:48, 23 February 2007 (EST)

I have seen this handled two ways, one of which is what you discribed. The other way I have seen this done is にゃ gets romanized as 'nya' and んや is 'n'ya'. There is a similar problem with んゆ and んよ. And on my IME 'y7' => んや and 'i&' => にゃ, but these obviously won't work. Any other ideas?
- teknomunk (talk,E) 07:20, 23 February 2007 (EST)
The second way in which にゃ gets romanized as 'nya' and んや as 'n'ya' seems to be a nice idea.
Thanks. :) I'll try that out.
As for other ideas, I can't think of anything right now.
- White Shadow 08:48, 23 February 2007 (EST)
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