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Looks like wikia just enabled IPv6, so don't be surprised when you see anons like this. — 6×9 (Talk) 05:16, June 29, 2017 (UTC)

Moving user talk topics

Regarding the most recent drama with a certain user (ES moved a topic from his own talk page to said user's, leading to a revert war and inevitable short term block)… Can we please agree that talk page topics should stay on the user's talk page where they started? I doubt Justin is the only user to be put off by this, and whatever the benefits are, I don't think they're worth it. Plus, I REALLY don't want other users to start swapping topics around as well…

I don't want a complete ban – moving relevant topics to the CP is fine of course, or to a template talk page if it's about a bug/feature in that template. And if a user posts on your talk page but apparently doesn't check for a reply, it's OK as well. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:35, July 5, 2017 (UTC)

The threads I moved was as a service to the user. An exception justifiable due to his approach to LW matters, imho. And I agree with your point, 6. --ES (talk) 17:42, July 5, 2017 (UTC)
Agreed. It's happened to me once before and I was a little confused why the topic was moved, so I'm sure others would be too. - OneTwoThreeFall talk 18:45, July 9, 2017 (UTC)


I don't really want to get involved in the latest drama, but it raised two issues concerning the docs that we should probably decide upon…

  1. Which albums to list, specifically the phrase "listed elsewhere": I always understood that as "elsewhere on the artist page", thus excluding v.a. compilations. Either way it should be clarified.
  2. When to create pages for instrumentals. The main point is for lyric plugins to show "instrumental" instead of "no lyrics found". Does it make sense to create separate pages for instrumental versions of songs without lyrics, or should they be redirected to the "regular" pages? (I'd prefer the latter.) — 6×9 (Talk) 17:18, August 11, 2017 (UTC)
1. @Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Artists#Singles:
Note 2: Often, non-album tracks from singles are later included as bonus tracks on an album or collected on compilations. :In that case, they should be included on the album/compilation and not listed in the Singles section.
The quoted passage above seems to apply to two track singles that have one track already listed on a VAComp/VAST.
2.The main point is for lyric plugins to show "instrumental" instead of "no lyrics found" Which also leads contributors to assume that entire instrumental albums may be created. If that is not the case, please clarify in docs under what circumstances Instrumentals may be created. Exceptional cases: Entirely Instrumental sound tracks (by one or more artists, example: RN/RC/MK STs), entirely instrumental studio/collaborations please see Sco-Mule (2015).
  • we have many CJK releases where the instrumental tracks are indicated as black links, or indicated with the sung version link with an (instrumental) notation (example:鶺鴒: is a 3 trk single or 1 trk single?). Clarifying the manner of indication of such tracks in docs would be appreciated
  • Additionally, if entire instrumental albums (which types?) are to be avoided, what is the minimum number of sung tracks required, per 1 & 2 tia.--ES (talk) 19:27, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
PS: It seems that a template for Eurovision Song Contest artist pages may be needed; if a link to the esc release page is not desired--ES (talk) 19:33, August 14, 2017 (UTC)
1. As above. When I added that bit in the Singles section I meant albums/compilations by the same artist, not va. Else it'd still have to be listed in the misc. songs section.
2. Going by the current docs, separate pages may (and should) be created for versions of songs if the lyrics differ significantly. I'd say missing the lyrics entirely is as significant as it gets, but you seem to disagree. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:19, August 15, 2017 (UTC)
1. Please clarify what you meant in the docs. "Note 2" I linked above seems to contradict what you meant and what is written elsewhere in the docs.
2. Instrumentals: If any known exclusions exists regarding creation of Instrumentals (Inst. version or not), please clarify in docs. If artists with entirely Instrumental output are not legitimate lw objects, please clarify. Also Please clarify the status of albums like this, for the sake of contributors. Past talk page discussions seems to imply there are known/desired but undocumented exclusions, which leads to conflicting edits.
  • If referring to this thread as justification for creation of all Instrumentals, and avoiding any deletions and redirections is sufficient, until Policy regarding Instrumentals is amended, then please advise. --ES (talk) 19:46, August 15, 2017 (UTC)
The whole point of discussion on 1 is to get consensus on how to clarify the docs. I know how I interpret them, but other admins might see it differently.
As for 2, that there are no known exclusions is exactly the point. Does that mean you agree that your redirect was against policy? If so, you might want to apologise to Kopf. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:39, August 15, 2017 (UTC)
1. So VAA albums are excluded from "Listed elsewhere", If that may be stated explicitly so it may not be subject of interpretation.
2. Thank you for clarifying that there are no exclusions regarding creation of Instrumentals. Hopefully this will lead to a consistent approach by admins. Clearly The deletion/redirection of instrumentals is Against policy, and thus an apology is in order. --ES (talk) 21:23, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

Extension changes

I submitted some pull requests to Wikia in late July for minor changes to some of the LyricWiki-specific MediaWiki extensions, and they've now been merged in and will go live soonish (not sure exactly when). Here's a list of the changes:

  • stop SOTD extension CSS being loaded on every page and causing some display issues (at least hopefully - I'm not 100% sure if it'll fix it)
  • update the default lyricbox styles to match what we currently use in MediaWiki:Common.css
  • fix links to pages in the Project/Blog namespaces on Special:Linkstoredirects
  • support for Cyrillic (А-Я), Greek (Ά-Ω), and diacritical/extended Latin letters (À-Ö, Ø-Þ, Ā-Ž) in the fletter magic word (currently it recognises A-Z only)
  • support for using new page templates on Category namespace pages (making my prefill script obsolete, though sadly we still can't update the relevant MediaWiki pages ourselves…)
  • Add a 'songsubpage' magic word (equal to everything after the last '/' in the song magic word) for use in the new page templates (should come in handy for a translation new page template)

Just figured I'd let everyone know, so you know who to blame if something suddenly breaks :) - OneTwoThreeFall talk 18:27, September 19, 2017 (UTC)

Looks like you've been pretty busy. Good work! Been only waiting for that fLetter fix for 10 years… :-) — 6×9 (Talk) 19:00, September 19, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! Looks like they'll go live today. - OneTwoThreeFall talk 07:53, September 21, 2017 (UTC)
There was another issue with the fLetter code that I missed first time (it wasn't using the Unicode-safe PHP string functions), so support for more fLetters won't work until next week's update.
The other fixes are working though, so I'll send in a request to add new page templates for cases the prefill script currently handles. Any other category types that this would be useful for? - OneTwoThreeFall talk 19:00, September 22, 2017 (UTC)
Well done. Genre categories would be a useful one for prefill.
There is one oddity that appeared since yesterday; Recent Changes options box have disappeared from the page. --ES (talk) 22:37, September 22, 2017 (UTC)
Is there a consistent content for genre categories? A few pages use {{Genrebox}}, but most only contain categories and sometimes {{Wikipedia}}.
Odd, RC options are still showing for me. None of my changes should've affected that - they were all fairly localised. - OneTwoThreeFall talk 10:08, September 23, 2017 (UTC)
{{Genrebox}} would be the prefill, all the other existing Genre cats will get them once I get to them.
I'm stumped what caused my RC options to vanish.... Well done all round. --ES (talk) 10:15, September 23, 2017 (UTC)
RC options box started working as normal tonight, without any intervention by me... --ES (talk) 10:19, October 22, 2017 (UTC)


Can we add three more params to the {{Genrebox}}?

  1. All music
  2. Discogs
  3. Rate Your Music

--ES (talk) 14:38, September 23, 2017 (UTC)

Somewhat related, tl:Genrebox and a few other templates currently always add categories to a page (either proper categories or the "misplaced template" category). How could this be handled so MW namespace pages don't end up being wrongly categorised? - OneTwoThreeFall talk 11:09, September 29, 2017 (UTC)
For main namespace templates: {{#if:{{NAMESPACE}}||[[Category:...]]}} (used in loads of templates)
For other namespaces: {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|Namespace-Here|[[Category:...]]}} (see {{AlbumCover}} for example) — 6×9 (Talk) 16:05, September 29, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! - OneTwoThreeFall talk 14:15, October 3, 2017 (UTC)
I've renamed the template to {{GenreCat}} (for consistency with other category templates) and have added in those parameters as icons shown in the section at the side (along with the existing wikipedia link, seemed like the best place for them). It'll also now automatically add the {{CatAZ}} template to genres with more than 200 pages, so adding that manually should be unneeded. - OneTwoThreeFall talk 14:15, October 3, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! Any way of linking to genres at dg? (over riding style) Please see Blues & Rock.
And something else... Is it possible to have genre cat pages show artists and albums separately, instead of the current mixed up arrangement? --ES (talk) 12:30, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
I used the 'style/' prefix as they seemed to be more specific - didn't realise it didn't cover everything though, so I've removed it now. No clue about #2 though, sorry. - OneTwoThreeFall talk 15:01, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
Well Done! --ES (talk) 15:19, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
Don't mean to annoy you more than abs necessary, but autofill for the GenreCat...! hiding behind the monitor --ES (talk) 15:44, October 4, 2017 (UTC)
Should be done soon! I sent in a request to Wikia yesterday to create the relevant MW namespace pages. - OneTwoThreeFall talk 16:54, October 4, 2017 (UTC)


Looks like, after several partial rebrandings (Lyrics Wiki, LyricWikia, Lyrically) we're now back to good ol' LyricWiki. No more broken LtR because of sitename/namespace mismatch! Except that got fixed a short while ago… — 6×9 (Talk) 15:32, October 25, 2017 (UTC)

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