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Page Creation

This is the Administrators Portal. It needs to have some pretty colours (me and Kiefer love pretty things) and an appropriate graphic. And we all know who excels in designing pages around here, don't we guys? Yes, your secret is well and truly out now Mr. Aquatiki Sir! I therefore nominate you for this task! (After which I fully intend to visit this page, do my usual bit of interfering, correct all your typos and change whatever I see fit without consulting anyone). See Kiefer, I'm not nice really...

 ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 11:00, 2 August 2008 (EDT)

P.S. And yes, I know it isn't protected..I chickened out of doing that bit myself..hee hee


Give that this Logo is the site icon,

perhaps we admins could be signified by this Admins, though perhaps that's more Admins and Users

so perhaps we're just Administrator,

and we might want to emphasize the fact that this page is locked for just us: Admin lock.

Or maybe we just here as average users, just extra interested in the inner workings and documentation: Cog and book?

Or we're cops, on the beat, against spammer, vandals and nincompoops! Cops

Maybe with a Square academic cap?    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   23:11, 2 August 2008 (EDT)
How about Grad cap? --Aquatiki - T - E 00:43, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
In what context would these icons be used? It could become kind of a signature thing, each person choosing their personal preference, or in conjunction with userboxes?
BTW: where do you get all these icons, anyway? I mean good lord man
King_Nee1114 (talk pagecontributionsdeletions) 00:17, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
I'd also like to suggest a different way of 'threading' discussions here, due to the possible size of some conversations. Have a central hub (I think we've got that now) and then just make a new page at Administrators Portal/Spam Prevention. Y/N?
I just wanted to pick and icon for the main page. Do you mean I made too many icons? I went ahead and made this page the talk page and made some avenues for discussion on the main page.--Aquatiki - T - E 00:43, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
Then my vote is for the guy with the tie, personally. Q: if a page is watched, is a subpage automatically watched?
King_Nee1114 (talk pagecontributionsdeletions) 01:16, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
I don't think so. --Aquatiki - T - E 01:52, 3 August 2008 (EDT)
I like the study (KingNee), but I think it's going to prove difficult finding an icon to represent us. Because whilst I think the guy with the tie is neat and it would be a nice "tie" in (hee hee) for the LW site icon, I think he's too official, too authoritarian to represent us. (I think it's probably his stance, more than the tie.) Plus he ain't smiling, so he doesn't strike me as approachable. In saying that, I'm wondering if someone did in fact edit the LW guy to give him a smile before using him on this site (I bet they did...hee hee).  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 20:47, 3 August 2008 (EDT)

Template Documentation

moved to LyricWiki_talk:Administrators Portal/Templates

I'd be grateful if..

...someone could show me, by example, the way to overcome the formatting problem on pages such as this >> Kanye West:Homecoming. Thank you.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 12:09, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Your paragraphs are unequal in line-length. Only in one case is it because the German causes a line wrap. The longest paragraph has more lines in the German than in the English. --Aquatiki - T - E 12:28, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
Am I understanding correctly that nothing can be done in such instances then?  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 12:31, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
Uh-oh. What I did made it look better for me ... [[Image:Kanye fixed.png|50px]] --Aquatiki - T - E 12:44, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
The position of line breaks is highly dependent on the width of the screen, so as of right now, there is not really anything that can be done that will work across all computers. That is not to say that it can't be fixed by modifying the lyrics tag (or adding a new one for this purpose), but that is the current state of affairs.
- teknomunk (talk,E,,A) 13:28, 5 August 2008 (EDT)
Weird...Yes looks that way to me Maybe I just needed to clear my cache or something..Thank you :-)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 17:06, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

Admin Nomination

I don't know about any of you, but I've seen User:EchoSierra out there kicking MAJOR @$$. He is hard-working, reliable, communicative, teachable and always-bloody-on! I know I'm the second newest admin in these parts, but I think it'd be a shame to not promote him. Does anyone else agree, or am I way out of line? --Aquatiki - T - E 16:29, 8 August 2008 (EDT).

I have some thoughts on this but I would rather hear what the others think about this first (I know they are all pretty busy at present). Talking of which where is our dear Will?  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 18:12, 8 August 2008 (EDT)
I'll pop in with agreement. EchoSierra contributes every day, tackles tough pages, and participates in the community. Plus, with all that we have going on right now, an extra admin or two would certainly be helpful.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   22:06, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
I see no problems with EchoSierra; he has been around for a while and when talking with other users is very civil and asks good questions (from what I can see).
- teknomunk (talk,E,,A) 02:20, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
I agree with all the above. I like the standard of Echo's work. He is hard-working and approachable, qualities which I personally consider to be very important in any prospective admin. Also, like Kiefer says, with all the changes taking place we could certainly do with another pair of hands. My concern in this was Senvaikis. For it cannot be denied that he has done some outstanding work and on some major pages. His posts have also resulted in the implementation of some of these changes, and some of these changes, like timed lyrics, he has subsequently taken responsibility himself for implementing. However, whilst this is all true, of course he hasn't been around here for very long and perhaps needs a little longer to get used to our ways (lol).  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 07:13, 13 August 2008 (EDT)
P.S. Is there a list of users by date of when they registered?
No such list exists that I am aware of.
- teknomunk (talk,E,,A) 22:30, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
Unless anyone has an objection, I'm going to go ask EchoSierra if he would like adminship. I will wait an hour before doing so.
- teknomunk (talk,E,,A) 22:30, 25 August 2008 (EDT)
Awesome! --Aquatiki - T - E 00:44, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
Great Stuff..(hee hee...I won't be the newbie anymore)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 07:07, 26 August 2008 (EDT)
Too late now..., but my vote goes to Senvaikis. Hope we see him here soon. & thanks for the kind words everyone. cheers EchoSierra 03:45, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
Of course it's too late! You won't be able to have a say here if we hadn't voted for you! ;-P Anyway, Sen is coming along and being very helpful too. I'd like to see us resolve the three inactive admins issue first, however. --Aquatiki - T - E 12:13, 27 August 2008 (EDT)
It looks like the inactive admins have been taken place (except me, of course). I would like to put forward my vote for Senvaikis as well. I have seen him doing a lot of good work. What does everybody else think?
- teknomunk (talk,E,,A) 13:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
I will second that. He's been a big force in moving LW forward, I'd say.
King_Nee1114 (talk pagecontributionsdeletions) 06:43, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I already voted for Senv way back then, and now, again! ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 07:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
You already know what I think :-)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 13:48, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I guess that's about enough of a consensus, eh? Since teknomunk admin-ed the last, I guess I'll go see if Senvaikis wants a few extra tools at his disposal.  :-]    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   02:57, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
UPDATE:Senvaikis has graciously declined (for now), due to a major project coming his way soon. Perhaps when the project is over.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   19:08, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Couple of questions..

  1. How do you do that multi genre thingy for album headers? I think each genre is separated with some code beginning &nb ?
  2. And I thought that using the Various Artist template automatically puts the album into the compilation category, without having to add a separate Category template as in the example on Help pages Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Compilations, so can someone put me straight on this please?
    Many thanks!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 20:13, 12 August 2008 (EDT)
Red, I have no idea what you're talking about!? As for #2, are you talking about {{Album/Soundtrack}}? --Aquatiki - T - E 03:56, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
Sorry, reading all that again I can see it doesn't make a lot of sense ;). Ok.
  1. Album header template has a genre parameter and I believe I have seen it once (think Will did it) whereby there were 2 different genres listed in the one parameter. Sort of like this: |genre = Rock &nbsp Pop.
  2. With regards to my second question, please look at the bottom of the generic Template example on this Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Compilations page (in particular this bit [[Category:Compilation]].
I hope that makes more sense now (lol)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 07:06, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
OK, looked at {{Album}}. Looks like the Genre tag is processed twice in the inner workings there, but there's no way to specify the parameter twice. We could add another one (i.e. genre2 = , but I'll wait til the job queue is under control). Adding a Non-Breaking-SPace will only list something under one genre, just with a space in it.
{{VariousArtistAlbum}} does not automatically include a category. 'Seems to me we out to separate out the functionality of it versus {{Album/Soundtrack}}! --Aquatiki - T - E 09:17, 17 August 2008 (EDT)


Why do we give people a link to YouTube and GoEar instead of embedding their content? We want people to stay on our pages, not stumbling off to other sites and never coming back, right? (Don't get me started on how FoxyTunes is a competitor and shouldn't be listed.) iTunes, at least, takes people to another program so they don't leave our page. Amazon offers us the chance to make some money, so that shouldn't be nixed. But since YouTube and GoEar offer the chance to embed, shouldn't we take it? This seems like an awesome feature, since you could still be looking at the lyrics while you watch/listen to the song. --Aquatiki - T - E 02:48, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Given Sean's letter to us, I think this deserves admin attention. If anyone agrees with me, this will require an extension like Embed Video which allows the passing of youtube links as parameters. --Aquatiki - T - E 23:47, 19 August 2008 (EDT)
I think that I'd might be for it if the opening of the embedded video or audio was optional and not automatic.
As for FoxyTunes: FoxyTunes, if I recall correctly, used to use LyricWiki to provide their lyrics until Yahoo bought them, so they are included due to that history. As for taking our users: They don't have jack for lyrics. (No lyrics for Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody?? Really?!? Only lyrics to 3 Queen songs? And one is definitely incomplete.) Personally, I find them slow, bulky, and less than helpful. I went there before and never felt a need to return until now in order to remind myself what it was like. Don't plan on going back, either.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   01:52, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
When you say "opening" do you mean "playing"? If so, I agree. I guess what I'm advocating is taking seriously the goal of us being the one-stop-shop, super-beloved page of everyone. If we can have all the other sites be part of ours, then everyone will come here and not there. If there's no reason to link to FoxyTunes (because they suck and don't offer our visitors and things good) then why link to them? --Aquatiki - T - E 03:33, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
Playing, definitely. Opening, possibly. In a perfect world, I'd like the video to "magically appear" on the page when the link is clicked, as opposed to waiting like a staring video screen. I see that sort of thing on blogs and such and I find it a bit annoying. I think to myself "I really have no interest in looking at the video, all you're doing is making it difficult for me to get to the portions that I am interested in and making the page load a little slower." The audio link should be the same way, although I'm not sure whether it can be set to not automatically begin loading. On the GoEar site, it automatically begins loading, anyhow.
At any rate, I'm for the embedding, as long as we can get it working in a smooth and efficient manner.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   09:43, 20 August 2008 (EDT)
I'm with that guy ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:22, 20 August 2008 (EDT)

Hey API people

What is this autogen. song page (WLv0.12.9) I see in the summary sometimes? Everytime I see it (example: [1]), it's overwriting our hard-won data with crap! Is this some senseless plugin, or what? --Aquatiki - T - E 03:56, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes..see this..>>> User_talk:Attendant#Special:Contributions.2FGabolin. Either way User:Attendant is the person to talk to.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 07:25, 17 August 2008 (EDT)
So I took his advice, banned the user, and noted lots on the talk page. 'Hope that was alright. Looks like from his contrib's the guys left a trail of crap in his wake! --Aquatiki - T - E 09:41, 17 August 2008 (EDT)

New Tool

We have a batch move and we have a Prefix Index..... would be nice to have something similar for parameters as well. So an admin can go in choose a name space and a parameter and a default value or function. like so: In the "Ramblin Gamblers" name space set the Language param to "English" or acquire & insert iTunes unique ID, or find orpaned pages and add them to OS. Would make a lovely beast! cheers EchoSierra 14:39, 31 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes, I'll second that. Is kinda bot stuff but yes would be great.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)


I would be ever so grateful if...

Someone could fix/reinstate these SUBST thingamajigs for me that I use on song pages:

|artist   = {{SUBST:ARTIST}}
|song     = {{SUBST:SONG}}

The reason I ask is because of ongoing problems in so far as new pages are still being created by users (bot??) but without either the song or song footer templates. (I don't suppose theres a magic SUBST for song template is there ???) I am doing my best to keep up with these, but it would make this easier if I had this facility back..  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Hear Ye, Hear Ye! EchoSierra 05:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Lol - us young'ns have got to stick together ;)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 07:57, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Another silly question from Redxx

What do the numbers signify that now appear against entries in my Watchlist, e.g. (+4,844)?  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:12, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

characters added/deleted. +4,844 would mean that with the last edit, the page is that much larger.
King_Nee1114 (talk pagecontributionsdeletions) 21:31, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you KingNee  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 00:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
NP. I have a question for you in turn: I am looking for other sites that might be reasonable to add to our songfooter collection. So far I have working, and am looking into adding All Music Guide to the artist page. Any thoughts?
King_Nee1114 (talk pagecontributionsdeletions) 00:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Yes AMG would be a very good addition for both artist and album pages (maybe even for song..?) The only other music database site that I use and which we haven't yet incorporated into parameter on artist page is Discogs. Although Discogs isn't updated very frequently, it does sometimes provide useful information (particularly with regards to credits and featured artists) so I feel it would be a worthwhile addition. As you know I did make a template for Discogs for artist page (at users request). It worked too. But I wasn't sure if it was presenting any problems, so I decided to move it back into the sub page from whence it came (lol). Feel free to get it out and amend it, etc. (I was only leaving it there until I could discuss it with you). That having been said, it would be preferable if Discogs was incorporated into footer of artist page.)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
I've looked into doing Disocgs, but I don't think that one belongs on the SongFooter. I say that, because discogs does not have any song-specific information. It is better suited on the artist and album pages, for that reason. I should probably concentrate on getting more album page queries going, as the SongFooter is getting quite large...I'll see what I can do.
Sorry King, I only just came to see this on my watchlist and no, I didn't mean for Discogs to be in Song Footer, just in album and artist...which you have now done :-) I also understand that AMG is presenting problems. Thank you for trying.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 11:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


Batch Move, acting strange

In Preview mode, batch move showed only 8 files from The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band needing move to Nitty Gritty Dirt Band, In action, a much larger number of pages got moved, still batch move did not show the whole list it processed. This can't be normal behaviour, can it? ES (Talk) 16:35, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Gettin' down to the BotUm

As you can see, User:BotUm is getting down to the w's, so it'll be less than a week I'm guessing before she's finally done getting rid of the _'s (underscores). I was planning on changing all Category:Review Me's into Green Stars next. Any objections? --Aquatiki - T - E 09:16, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Nope :-) but I forgot to ask before, is anything Botwise going to be done about __NOTOC__ and __NOEDITSECTION__ etc., where the underscores have been removed? EX: Frank Sinatra album pages.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 11:42, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Mea culpa :*( Yeah, those are my fault. I forgot to do regex and was doing plain search-and-replace. Since it takes over two weeks for the well-paces bot to go through all the pages, you certainly better off changing any you see by hand, instead of waiting for me to get to them (though I'll certainly try). Over on my wiki I've been using a new extension that does non-regex search and replace nearly instantly. It's awesome. --Aquatiki - T - E 22:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Okey dokey. That extension does indeed look very good (pity we can't use it here). Just a thought, could I use SandBot to correct the Frank Sinatra album pages? And if so, could you write me the expression?
At the moment all pages with this problem are displaying the following with at least two spaces preceding the letter N (which is where the two underscores were):


Thanks Aqua!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:09, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

You could do two regular, non-regex runs:
python -start:Frank_Sin -sleep:1 -pt:10 "  NOTOC  " "__NOTOC__" -always
python -start:Frank_Sin -sleep:1 -pt:10 "  NOEDITSECTION  " "__NOEDITSECTION__" -always
Or one, slightly hard, regex one:
python -start:Frank_Sin -regex "\s{2}NO([A-Z]{3,11})\s{2}" "__NO\1__"
--Aquatiki - T - E 02:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Done :-) Thank you Aqua! Btw >>> Bot Portal  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:45, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Field Order

Does it matter in what order the various song footer fields are? example: if |fLetter comes before |itunes or after? Would the placement of the fields have any effect on how the lw parser assigns categories? ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ()19:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Nope. No. --Aquatiki - T - E 02:56, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

New Page Rank Star


I know there's already no end of controversy, confusion and conflagration regard the Page Ranking system, but as I'm about ready to start changing all unranked songs to Green, I'm seeing some differences in what I expect behavior patterns to be from what they actually are. I just assumed that everyone else (like me) saw that even editing a page once automatically added to your "watched" list, and so even random strangers wouldn't mind becoming "watchers" for tons and tons of pages. So far, it's been 80% admins doing the "watching" and even some of us are reticent.

We don't want all our songs to remain in Green until someone adopts them, especially if "going Bronze" is relatively unpopular (compared to just general sprucing up). I'm therefore proposing a new color: Blue. This would be between Green and Bronze; a place for songs that have been looked at by a human being (as opposed to just a bot) but haven't yet been adopted. They might even be as good as Silver (having all their info in place), but no one is routinely checking for vandalism, so their quality could fall down at any time. Thought? --Aquatiki - T - E 17:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Don't fret too much about things. I think it's just a matter of knowledge of the system for casual users and occasional editors that is holding some back. For others, it may just be a matter of budgeting time for the task. Speaking for myself, I know the system, but tend to not like being a Watcher for a song page that I haven't taken the time to turn to Gold. Often, if a page that I already have on my watchlist is rated and watched by another, I'll add my name to the Watcher list, even if it isn't ranked Gold, however. Something like this just needs some time to build momentum, and people to keep adding the information. If some keep ranking things (and the discussions that are taking place tell you that people are interested), then the system will embed itself as part of the site culture. I think the system is pretty much there. The building process for any new item, though, is slow. That's why cautious, incremental site system improvements are necessary. Otherwise the system can get overwhelmed, and good ideas will languish.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   03:21, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree with a lot of what Kiefer has said. I think the system is pretty much there too. We also intend in the not too distant future to further promote the scheme by way of providing examples of "perfect" pages, so please don't be disheartened Aqua. Like the man says, it really just needs time.

With regards to watchlists, the Bronze rank, etc. As I understand it, a requirement for Bronze is "working towards improving the page". Like many of us, I have a few thousand pages in my watchlist. They have arrived there in a variety of ways and I honestly don't have the time, the inclination and sometimes, certainly in the cases of foreign language songs, even the relevant knowledge to edit all these pages and volunteer myself to be the page's official Watcher. I imagine it is exactly the same for the others too.

I also believe that when all the pages have a star on them, people who might otherwise be unaware of the scheme will wonder what the heck this green star is all about and after looking into it be willing to participate in the scheme. It's just a pity that the corresponding Info template can't also be added to the talk page at the same time as the green star, as not only do I think this wonderfully designed addition would create more interest, but it would also make it far easier for users to actually take part. By which I mean that users wouldn't have to search to try to locate the relevant template, nor add this themselves to the talk page. Since we are all inherently lazy (lol), this in itself might also be putting some people off.

Song pages are always going to be the most popular of course, since these are the easiest to accomplish, as opposed to artist pages, many of which it is clear are never going to attain the Gold rank. But as for creating another rank? I honestly can't see what difference this would make, asides from categorising pages edited by a human being as opposed to a bot (and that is assuming that the human being was specifically instructed to change the colour in the song template whenever they edited or created a page).

I hope you find some of this helpful Aqua because I think you have done a great job setting up this scheme. Truly I do. ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 12:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
Now heads = I attempt to answer one of Jim's posts. Tails = I look at Disney...mmm...I think I'll go and make myself a cup of tea.

OK, you'all've convinced me. I'll hold off on new colo(u)rs. I'm glad to hear you think momentum is slowly building. Perhaps we'll pick up a full head of steam in six months when it's all calculated automatically for every page! --Aquatiki - T - E 18:43, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure it will  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 23:20, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
P.S. Do you reckon that ^^^ is a ninja??

I need a decision [Unused promo images]

I was looking through Unused files and a number of them are promotional photos or photos of artists. What should we do with them? Should these be included on the artist's page or deleted. For any copyrighted photos there should be fair use (like every album cover (oh, man I need to get on that)). My first reaction was to delete them, but it might be a cool thing to have at the top of artist pages. What do you guys think? --WillMak050389 19:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

It would be cool, but unless we know the origin, etc.... At this point, I don't think that the album covers would ever be a copyright concern, but these might be. I'm kind of interested how so many album covers that appear to have the correct filename form aren't used. That's a bit strange.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   20:04, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Agreed it would be great if we could use them on artist pages. Some pages have got them of course. But yes, although Wikipedia allows uploading of album covers without any problem, they swiftly delete photos unless you can provide proof of permission by way of the relevant statement from the artist. They did it to me in fact, even though I was provided with the photo by the artist's manager. Sorry, I didn't quite understand your last sentence Kiefer. Didn't your Mother tell you that you shouldn't speak with your mouth full? (hee hee)  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:57, 17 October 2008 (UTC)


There isn't a separate documentation page (which I understand removes the documentation from the actual template itself), so is the wording on the page of this template part of the template?

The reason I ask is because it needs to be updated, because just like the United States ;), England became a country in its own right many years ago (so incidentally did Scotland and also Wales). Germany and France also have states, which people from those countries acknowledge, so that also needs changing too (and has indeed been requested).  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 20:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

The way that we should be doing documentation on the Template pages is shown on {{Album}}. As for the United Kingdom vs. England thing: I asked you about that the first week or two that you were on, and you didn't reply! I knew you could straighten us ignorant States-dwellers out, but you didn't.  :-]    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   20:35, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. That is the way all documentation relevant to templates should be and furthermore this should be done as a matter of priority. I feel this is so important that I would be more than willing to do it myself but obviously I don't know how. You will also note that Will made this particular template "protected". That is another great idea which should also be extended to all major templates, i.e. artist, album and song. But I don't think it is. I would certainly advise this be done too a.s.a.p. because this new generation of editors are very bright. They are also very enthusiastic. And so I don't think it will be long before someone tries their hand at editing one of these. Obviously I will continue to inform them of the impact that this could have and the problems that could result, but asides from a message at the top of the page talking about "complicated code", what is there to prevent this? And of course if they know about code, they might not feel this message actually applies to them...
As regards the United Kingdom vs. England thing - I don't recall (Kiefer) but I've got to be honest and say it seriously irks me. (I thought it best to be polite As indeed I'm sure it would you too, if your country was to be dismissed. So I want it changed please guys. Corrected in fact. My country should be given the exact same status as yours and indeed everyone else's. Thank you  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 21:43, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Another user has enquired again about this, so can I have some feedback on this please guys? By which I mean on my request to have the notes which basically instruct users to dismiss the countries England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, also the states of France and Germany, removed from the Hometown template?  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 00:00, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't want my country dissed like that, so I just changed it! It sent the job queue up by 15,000 so maybe when that's done, we could design a /doc page for it, to prevent this in the future? --Aquatiki - T - E 01:41, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you SO much Aqua. You really don't know how much that has always upset me. I'm a happy little bunny now in addition to being an Extremely cool LyricWiki user (hee hee).  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 13:58, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Bot Portal

Just wanted to let you all know about new page: Bot Portal. (Blame Echo it was his idea  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 23:31, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Country Flag

How about Country flags on top of artist pages, the value would be derived from the country in {{Hometown}}, would be useful to have a Category for artists whose Country is currently undefined. I'll gladly do all the work.... I'm here asking for guidance and consensus! ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 07:00, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Maybe not on top ... How 'bout a right aligned image being part of {{Hometown}}? --Aquatiki - T - E 16:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Could this be the cause of the Category problem?

Look at the entries between 3.39 to 4.18 on the 19th of August on this page.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 10:08, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Could you put the links for the changes themselves? Those of us not in your region have different times.  :-]    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   11:52, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Sorry...from this point forward  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 14:36, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Timed lyrics

It appears the following may be redundant so can they be deleted to prevent confusion in Category:Templates? (The one we now use is {{LrcDB}}):

 ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 14:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
P.S. I think we need to make an Archive too for older messages on this page..

I deleted 3 of the above, as they weren't included as a template on any pages. The other {{Lrc}} has some pages where it's included, so those pages need to be updated before it's deleted.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   15:59, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
{{Lrc}} may be deleted as having any links from main space to it.--Senvaikis (talk) 08:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Green check deleted.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:33, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Autogen V.0.12.x

Wern't older versions of Autogen supposed to be automatically disallowed? [2] ∃cho⚡ierr∀ ()17:10, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the older ones, before 12.9, don't have the code to check for the version permissions. so if anyone uses 12.0 to 12.8, we would have to manually inform the user to stop, if we needed to. You may want to let the person know that they are using an outdated script.
King_Nee1114 (talk pagecontributionsdeletions) 18:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Man, I hate that script. People just go through and smash existing information. Song ranking is destroyed. Album names are usually lost. It's Godzilla and we're Tokyo. >-( Aquatiki - T - E 23:59, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
{{AutoGenNote}} is a note for users of the Wiki-Lyrics plug-in that I made. Just plop it down on their user page, and add your four tildes to sign. Then if they damage another page, they can be blocked until they update their script.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   04:54, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Sorry to rag on your script. :-( Are you the one to direct change requests to? For example, the new star= stuff seems not to be part of it (it still uses Category:Review Me). Can we get it to keep album names if the overwrite would just be blank? Thanks for letting me know. --Aquatiki - T - E 16:23, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Haa haa you deserved that Kiefer Kiefer wrote the {{AutoGenNote}} Aqua. Attendant writes the scripts.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
This has not been my week.... EDIT: {{AutoGenNote}} is a note that I wrote for users of the Wiki-Lyrics plug in.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   03:12, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Much better Mr.Kiefer. Green check 9/10

∑ Content pages

I have a dashboard widget that displays the stats page, so I get to see the numbers part of that page a lot. Since last week the Content page count dropped from 654,493 to 643,546, now. What's happening? I know I put in a lot of merge requests, but not that many!! ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () EchoSierra 01:25, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Where'd you get the widget? --Aquatiki - T - E 02:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering if it's to do with the language problem/caching. Songs, etc. were appearing in wrong categories... Maybe they was being counted twice. That much of a and would seem to me to be a possible explanation.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 10:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
I noticed this too. About a month ago we were almost at 700,000. I know we're all doing work to remove duplicate pages and merge/redirect others and delete unnecessary pages, but there's no way (even with our combined effort) to knock the pages down that much in such short of a time. --WillMak050389 14:42, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Well I was hoping somewhere on lw stats are kept on page count deltas, so we'd know where these pages were and where they are going. Given that every page on lw is a record in the database and deletion logs are kept...Thanks Will, I do recall the numbers being over 650K some months ago. Aqua, in Safari, click any page and "Open In Dashboard..." menu item, any portion of any webpage can be made into a widget. Safari still has a few nice things not available in FireFox. ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 17:11, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok here is one possible explanation: A category like SNLI that had over 500K entries, How many pages did this category consume when at 500K, and once it's reduced down to zero? Do ∑Song Pages = ∑Legitimate content pages? Are Categories and the disk space they consume counted towards legit content pages? cheers ∃cho⚡ierr∀ () 21:17, 29 October 2008 (UTC) It can be easily accompolished with a Compuuuter! -Dr. Strangelove
Would certainly be nice to know exactly how many pages are in a certain category or group, aye that it would.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 12:31, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Now to inform the vets...

Just in case you guys didn't see, please take a look at LyricWiki talk:Community Portal#Films...again. I've now created documentation for film pages and hopefully these can be considered as an "official" separate type of page. I just want to see if there are any questions/comments you guys have. Hopefully we can start to get more of these pages around. --WillMak050389 05:45, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Will!  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 14:52, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Category:Requests For Moves

SEE ALSO: The Lost Songs: Where Are They Now? (related post).

Can I propose that the wording of this page be amended, since I believe it gives users the wrong impression as to the powers we hold and the script that we have access to? By which I mean that Batch Move only renames/moves pages where a page with the same title does not already exist. In my experience the number of pages effected are always extremely minimal in comparison to the manual redirecting that actually needs to be done in these cases. I'd hazard a guess that it's usually less than 10%, probably less. In view of which it just gives us admin a lot of unnecessary additional work. Furthermore, if move requests are not properly conducted (as I have been guilty of doing myself in the past, by simply applying merge templates on the resultant pages) I'm sure this must cause much frustration for the user who has requested this. All this being so, I really fail to understand why this script is only for use by admin.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 13:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

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