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:Yes. Started today.<br>—[[User:Looksharp|Looksharp]] ([[User talk:Looksharp|talk]]) 23:31, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
:Yes. Started today.<br>—[[User:Looksharp|Looksharp]] ([[User talk:Looksharp|talk]]) 23:31, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. Has anyone complained to Wikia about this? This is a pretty major impediment to editing. --[[User:RWDCollinson|RWDCollinson]] ([[User talk:RWDCollinson|talk]]) 11:19, March 9, 2016 (UTC)
::Thanks. Has anyone complained to Wikia about this? This is a pretty major impediment to editing. --[[User:RWDCollinson|RWDCollinson]] ([[User talk:RWDCollinson|talk]]) 11:19, March 9, 2016 (UTC)
:::Does it still happen to you? I never had the problem to begin with though and can't help. Greetings, --[[User:Fassbrause|Fassbrause]] ([[User talk:Fassbrause|talk]]) 20:38, April 4, 2016 (UTC)
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Capitalisation of words preceded by abbreviated letter in French

Regardless of the current debate about capitalization, I would like to know what is LyricWikia's policy on capitalisation of words following an abbreviated article, especially in French. I also invite the admins to complete the "Page Names" documentation accordingly. Some examples are:

Joseph d'Anvers or Joseph D'Anvers ? (d' stands for de, meaning "of" or "from")

Le Temps De l'Amour or Le Temps De L'Amour ? (l' stands for le, meaning "the")

Tx. Jmmelko (talk) 14:48, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

A contraction is considered a word, so it should be "D'Anvers" and "L'Amour". — 6×9 (Talk) 08:23, January 6, 2015 (UTC)


From this page [] it says "The lyrics should always be transcribed as sung and reflect what is sung on the recording -- including repeating any even if these differ from the "official" lyrics published in the liner notes or elsewhere ... Repeated lines, stanzas, refrains, etc. should be included in full, rather than using notations such as "repeat", "4x", or "chorus". It is also not necessary to add notations such as "instrumental break."

- Can someone please explain to me why this is a rule?

- What's the purpose of having repeating lines?

- Listeners are intelligent enough to know what someone is singing if the line is written down once. We don't need explicit explanation for repeating lines we've already heard and understood. It's clunky, makes the transcribing process longer and annoying, and is not necessary for understanding. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cblupo (talkcontribs), 20:07, January 17, 2015 (UTC).

Short & sweet answer: We have lyrics in over a hundred languages, do you know what chorus, refrain, bridge, hook, coda etc, is in every language? Didn't think so  ;)
The simplest possible instruction is to transcribe as sung, everybody knows cut & paste. --ES (talk) 06:48, January 18, 2015 (UTC) I paid for a full song, I want the full lyrics!

Letter "i" changed in Capital letter "l" when Bold?

It's something I noticed the first time yesterday, while I created the page AZEB Guys. When the write is Bold, the letter "i" is shown as "l". The "Belgium" is spelled "BelgIum", "Pieter" is spelled "PIeter", "Neirynck" is spelled "NeIrynck", "Vandepapeliere" is spelled "VandepapelIere" etc ... but "India" is spelled correctly ...

Checked in three browsers, with both monobook and wikia skins, and "i" appeared as "i", bold or not. Might be your browser, font, or resolution… Does the effect disappear when you zoom in? — 6×9 (Talk) 13:48, January 25, 2015 (UTC)
You're right, it's the zoom ... but I go the issue only in the words I listed but not with the words "India Dichtbij"--TormyVanCool (talk) 14:33, January 25, 2015 (UTC)

Nonsense Lyrics

Is there a language tag for nonsense lyrics, or how should I handle it? The song in question is Mili:Sacramentum:Unaccompanied Hymn For Torino EDIT: I found it, it's "Nonsense words" --Snowflakepixie (talk) 22:17, April 3, 2015 (UTC)

Song link bug?

I added the lyrics to a Judy Collins song called Tim Evans on her Maid of Sorrows album. I hadn't registered as a user of the site when doing this. The link to the song title remains red (page unavailable). However, when I click on the red song link it states the page with this title is already created. How can the link from the album page be corrected? --Rupples (talk) 03:33, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

OK - after a long struggle I've fathomed it out by deleting the existing link and then re-entering it! --Rupples (talk) 04:02, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

That was likely a cached version of the page. After a little while, it would've turned blue. You can also open the page for editing and then save it (no need to make any changes) to make it reload, as you found out! - OneTwoThreeFall talk 06:45, June 20, 2015 (UTC)

Inexplicable Irreconcilable Edit Conflict

The page David Crowder Band:Make A Joyful Noise / I Will Not Be Silent previously had two different versions of this song on it. I tried to create a new page David Crowder Band:Make A Joyful Noise / I Will Not Be Silent (The Lime CD) to put the second version of these lyrics on it. (I've wiped them form the other article and saved them on my computer). But whenever I try to post the new page, I'm told that I have an edit conflict and the white page comes up. I can't then do anything with the white page; it just keeps looping back. What's going? Have i accidentally broken some rule? --RWDCollinson (talk) 20:19, November 10, 2015 (UTC)

We've noticed this bug just recently. Apparently it's an old problem that's resurfaced (something to do with the brackets in the title being the only difference in page name). As a workaround, create your second page at a bogus but slightly related title (without brackets), and then move it, it should work then. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 20:25, November 10, 2015 (UTC)
Created page David Crowder Band:Make A Joyful Noise / I Will Not Be Silent - The Lime CD, though not sure if diff is significant enough for a whole new page.  · Lichtweber talk service  20:36, November 10, 2015 (UTC)
Blast. I did as Patzilla777 suggested before I read this. Which version should stand? And how different does something need to be before there's a new page? If the policy is lyrics-as-sung I would've thought that any substantive difference would justify a new page, otherwise every page will end up with a long list of minor variations. --RWDCollinson (talk) 20:41, November 10, 2015 (UTC)
I redirected my page to proper page now. As for significance of differences - disputable. But this should be ok, I guess. Btw.: minor diffs should be noted in {{CreditBox}}, not on new page. hth,  · Lichtweber talk service  20:46, November 10, 2015 (UTC)
Hey, I've been having the same "Edit conflict" inexplicable problem while trying to create Saint Saviour:Woman Scorned (2010). Any possible solution? --Naytanneke (talk) 00:35, December 25, 2015 (UTC)
Create the album page under a different name, say Saint Saviour:Woman Scorned Temp. After the creation, move the page to the correct name Saint Saviour:Woman Scorned (2010) by renaming it (It's in the dropdown menu of the edit button). After you've done it, it would be kind if you could mark the former temporary page, which was created in the first place (and is now a redirect) with the {{Deletion}} template, so the admins can remove this residue. Good luck Smile --Fassbrause (talk) 01:10, December 25, 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Fassbrause! It worked wonders! Grin --Naytanneke (talk) 01:31, December 25, 2015 (UTC)

Lyrics are not shown

Hi there, I found that the lyrics for'm_Bleeding are not displayed in my Firefox nor in my Chrome (I'm on Linux). Other songs work well. I took a look at the lyrics in edit mode and they seem okay to me.

Toaster666 (talk) 07:31, November 26, 2015 (UTC)

Hi. This seems to be a bug that strikes at random, may happen on any page. The only solution I have found is to touch the page (open for edit, then click publish without any editing). I use Safari/Chrome on OSX, thus not equipment related. This bug only appeared in the past few months. The solution is most likely to be found by .wikia admins. hth --ES (talk) 10:44, November 26, 2015 (UTC)


How does one add a link to the album/song footer? I can't find anywhere on the help pages, or indeed on any actual page, and yet an empty '' search seems to appear by default on every album/song page. --RWDCollinson (talk) 09:48, December 1, 2015 (UTC) is in the footers is for searching only. It was not defined for entering a link. hth --ES (talk) 18:33, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

Help with Anime Song boxes?

Is there a help page on anime song boxes? I've looked on a few of them but don't seem to be able to figure out how they are supposed to be done at all... Kyoudou (talk) 13:31, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

Translated Lyrics Ranking

Do the translated lyrics of a song need to have one of the ranking stars in the upper right-hand corner?

For example Origa's Inner Universe has both romanized and English translated lyrics. However there are no stars in the corner showing the status of the pages. Do they need to have stars or is it fine if the original page has been checked?

--Riyu-Hime (talk) 19:20, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

Ranking is only for the lyric page, not the translation/romanization; since they are not actually lyrics. --ES (talk) 19:41, December 1, 2015 (UTC)

No spaces after the colon in a page heading?

I've noticed that a lot of pages have no spaces after the colon in the heading where the artist and title of the song go. For example, the page "Apoptygma Berzerk:Non-Stop Violence", with Apoptygma Berzerk being the artist and Non-Stop Violence being the title. (I've since edited that page after making massive edits to the lyrics, and added a space after the colon because I felt it was necessary) I have noticed this on many pages, and it really bothers me, considering it isn't proper grammar. There's always a space after a colon. Always (Mathematical ratios not included, of course). I haven't quite yet mastered the English language, but I know for a fact that there must be a space there, every time. I noticed that this is a widespread problem when I hit "random page" several times and saw that none of them had a space after the colon. Is this some unspoken rule in the Lyric Wikia? I couldn't find anything on it in the FAQ or anywhere else. My eye for grammar tends to notice things like this, and they bother me a lot. Any help or advice would be appreciated.

Note: I noticed this even on this Help Desk page...yeah, please let me know if I broke the Apoptygma Berzerk page or something like that when I added the space.

It is emphatically not an unspoken rule – on the contrary it's well documented. See LW:PN (and Wikipedia:Namespace for general info). — 6×9 (Talk) 19:10, December 8, 2015 (UTC)

Same album/single name

The doubt I have found is that, for 滴草由実 (Yumi Shizukusa) there is an album named CONTROL Your touch (2003), but there is also a single with the same name and same year. The single has songs on its tracklist which have never been released on any of her other albums, so its creation is justified. What I don't know is how to differentiate the single from the album when creating those articles. tia ~Steffy13~ > talk > contribs 02:35, December 11, 2015 (UTC)

If album and single have same name and year, single can have "(Single)" between name and year to differentiate. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 11:56, December 11, 2015 (UTC)


since the wordsmith's shop is closed Do we have a category for poets? Any example pages available? Any documentation? How do I get around {{Song}}'s this song in performed by... when attributing songpages to poets? tia.--ES (talk) 14:52, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

Poems aren't lyrics, so they have no place here (unless they're set to music, which makes them lyrics, which makes it a song, which makes sh wording okay).
Poems that sit between songs on an album are a different case (as are spoken introductions that have their own track marker). — 6×9 (Talk) 16:15, December 12, 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. There are poets, whose poems have been set to song by a variety of artists. Do such poets get a page @ LW? --16:41, December 12, 2015 (UTC)
Currently not, though that might change if the root pages question ever gets resolved. In the meantime, I wouldn't encourage creating such pages, but I wouldn't necessarily delete existing pages either; maybe add a messagebox that the issue is under discussion and they shouldn't be taken as examples or precedents. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:51, December 12, 2015 (UTC)

Claiming anonymous edits

I created some pages, but was not able to log in at the computer in question at the time. Naturally the edits show up as anonymous IP-based edits. I'd love to claim them to have them show up on my personal page. Is that possible, post-hoc? Fberger (talk) 10:47, December 21, 2015 (UTC)

Technically, it seems to be possible, but you'd have to contact Wikia about it - we at LyricWikia can't do this. I have a feeling they might not be willing to do such a thing, considering it'd be difficult to prove it was you who made the edits. - OneTwoThreeFall talk 14:13, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Am I Allowed To Certify?

Whenever I upload a song, I listen to the recording to make sure that the lyrics are right. But I don't know whether you need to have special permission to certify a song. I also don't know if you're allowed to certify lyrics that I have, myself, uploaded.

Also, is it just the administrators/bureaucrats who have permission to change page rankings? --RWDCollinson (talk) 10:19, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Anybody with an account can certify any lyrics, and as long as they follow the guidelines, anybody can change the page rankings too. Hope this helps! - OneTwoThreeFall talk 10:36, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks! One more question: I can't work out what the 'audio status is' bit means on the 'page ranking info'. I can't find an explanation of this in the help. I assume that the 'video status' is whether there's an embedded YouTube video. --RWDCollinson (talk) 12:54, January 6, 2016 (UTC)
No problem! I'm not sure if it's explicitly mentioned in the help pages yet (it's lightly implied here), but the audio status requires either the GoEar or Spotify parameter to be added for that song, and yes, video is for YouTube. - OneTwoThreeFall talk 13:54, January 6, 2016 (UTC)

Cover Template Not Working

I've already mentioned this on the 'Report A Problem' page, but this page seems to be monitored more frequently and it seems like a pretty serious problem (at least if it's affecting anybody else). The cover template seems to have become corrupt in some way, and is generating half a page of nonsense above the lyrics whenever it's present. --RWDCollinson (talk) 12:10, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

Now that is an issue. 6 is the admin who deals with all the templates and stuff, and we're about to do an overhaul of {{Song}}, so it may be something to do with that. I'll leave a message on the admin portal about it, but in the mean time you'll just have to avoid using {{Cover}} for now. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 13:21, January 7, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. But this also means I need to avoiding editing any page which already has the cover tag. Is this affecting you in the same way? --RWDCollinson (talk) 14:19, January 7, 2016 (UTC)
Yes this is affecting me. If you need to edit a page with the Cover template, just comment it out using <!-- [COVER TEMPLATE HERE] -->. Hopefully 6 comes online soon, as he should hopefully know what to do. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 14:22, January 7, 2016 (UTC)
Sorry, was @ work until now. I've restored {{Cover}} & am currently touching all pages using it; might take a while though since there are over 30,000. In the meantime, if you see a corrupted page, hitting "edit" and saving without changing anything should fix it. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:56, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

iTunes and Spotify IDs

This is probably a really obvious question, but what's the easiest way of finding out a song's iTunes ID? It's in the URL for artists and albums, but I don't know where to look for individual songs.

Also, is the way of finding out the Spotify ID without having a Spotify account? --RWDCollinson (talk) 16:06, January 7, 2016 (UTC)

For iTunes song ID's, use the linkmaker and search for the song.
For Spotify, you can try Google searching the song name with the word "track", and the link will probably appear in the search results. Otherwise you'll need an account (which is free), or ask someone who does have an account, like me (if we do it like that, I can set up a subpage for you to list songs you need Spotify IDs for). Hope this helps - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 16:13, January 7, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, very helpful! I signed-up to a Spotify account and the songs in the following album are greyed-out and I can't find them on Google; does that mean that they're not available yet?
--RWDCollinson (talk) 09:33, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
Basically, yes. Possible reasons:
  • Some albums are regional locked and aren't accessible from every country (Brave New World...)
  • Users can create playlists in Spotify, which might include local files on their computers of
  • Songs, which aren't yet available at Spotify at all
    There is an option in the settings menu to hide unavailable songs. --Fassbrause (talk) 12:36, January 8, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, it looks like they aren't available, at least in the UK. You can still get the Spotify IDs from them however, so some people can get some use out of it. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 12:53, January 8, 2016 (UTC)

Collaborations & Additional Albums

I'm trying to change Stevie Nicks:Leather And Lace to Stevie Nicks & Don Henley:Leather And Lace, as it is a duet. I have correctly filled out the collaboration template, but this has broken the 'additional albums', as they're all looking for albums by Stevie Nicks & Don Henley rather than Stevie Nicks. Is there a way around this? --RWDCollinson (talk) 10:08, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I found the answer on the page for the template! --RWDCollinson (talk) 10:31, January 14, 2016 (UTC)

Incomplete lyrics

I'm having trouble deciphering the lyrics to a song. I've completed approx. 90% but can't comprehend the rest. I searched the internet but can't find the lyrics elsewhere. Should I abandon the song or publish what I have managed to transcribe? I've tried the help pages here for an answer but can't find one. --Rupples (talk) 15:01, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

You can put up what you have and add the {{partial}} template to the page. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:04, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. --Rupples (talk) 15:12, January 30, 2016 (UTC)

Broken Editing Box

Is it just me, or is the editing screen broken? Even as I type this, the screen is strangely doubled up, an extra and redundant scroll-bar and a much compressed editing space. The highlighting colours are messed-up. That's not a terribly articulate description, but if anybody else is suffering from this, you'll know what I mean. It's been like this all day--RWDCollinson (talk) 14:50, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

It's not just you. I've notified wikia staff; let's hope they fix it soon. — 6×9 (Talk) 15:16, February 2, 2016 (UTC)

Song Released Only On Music Video/B-Side Singles

What's the right format to use for a song which appeared only on a music video, or only as the B-side of a single? Should singles with an A and a B side be counted as albums?

I'm currently trying to work out how to categorise and fill out the header for Tim McGraw:The Ride, which was released only as a double-song video alongside 'Real Good Man' by the same artist. Wikipedia explains this here Wikipedia16. --RWDCollinson (talk) 13:59, February 3, 2016 (UTC)

Singles with unique B-sides count as albums if that's the only release the B-side appears on (even if it was only a unique A-side, it should still count). However, seeing as "The Ride" does not appear on any public release (only radio singles), it should go under its own heading on artist page, such as "Non-Album Songs". - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 15:19, February 3, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, that's really helpful. Does that even apply to singles that (now moving forward in time a bit) were released only digitally? --RWDCollinson (talk) 09:13, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
Correct. If a song was single-only (either digital or physical), create the single page. Examples of that are here, here, and here. Of course, if the song gets confirmed as part of an album later, then it can be deleted. XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)01:33, February 5, 2016 (UTC)

Guidance on adding embedded videos

I'm look for guidance on adding embedded videos to articles. If a song doesn't have a music video (official or live), should an audio 'video' be embedded? If so, does that count as 'video' for the talk page? Also, what if one runs into an official video that isn't on the artist's official YouTube page? Is that legal? --RWDCollinson (talk) 11:29, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
Looksharp (talk) 23:36, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

I don't know of any particular guidelines re. what sort of videos to use, but I can't see any issue with using an audio-only video where a visual video (music video/live performance) isn't available. Not too sure what you mean by "legal" YouTube video - if you're meaning copyright issues/royalties, that's generally handled by YouTube so even non-official videos give the artist + publisher royalties/ad revenues, as far as I know... Hope this helps a little, OneTwoThreeFall talk 17:28, February 4, 2016 (UTC)
If a song doesn't have a music video, then yeah, an audio video is fine, and it counts as a video on the talk page. Don't worry about any videos being "legal" or not - if they weren't legal, YouTube would take them down. However, I usually don't add videos of live performances to song pages simply because they don't always follow the studio version lyrics. That's just my preference, though. XxTimberlakexx (talk) (contribs)01:35, February 5, 2016 (UTC)
A lot of the ones I use are audio only, have a # sign before the artist, and read underneath the video "Provided to YouTube by Universal Music Group North America." Sounds official. And of course, Vevo. I use others, but mainly these.
Looksharp (talk) 23:36, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Non-roman fLetter

I'd like to point out that the fact that the documentation indicates to specify the language of the character for non-roman fLetters seems problematic to me.

For instance, if a song had for title "人 and mice", would the fLetter be "Chinese" (as in Chinese script)? If so, a Japanese song named "人間" should also have "Chinese" for fLetter.

Basically, I think "language of the character" should be "script of the character", but a lot of songs/albums would need to have their fLetter changed Idlusen (talk) 17:27, February 27, 2016 (UTC)

Unreleased soundtracks

I'd like to add the lyrics to some songs composed for the movie Idiots and Angels, which has its soundtrack referenced on IMDB. I can't however find any release, while Help:Soundtracks seems to imply this is a prerequisite. How to proceed? Idlusen (talk) 14:17, March 1, 2016 (UTC)

If there's no official soundtrack release you can always create a List page at LyricWiki:Lists/PAGENAME or list the songs at respective artist's pages under a "Songs on Soundtracks" subsection. Hth  · Lichtweber talk service  19:50, March 8, 2016 (UTC)


Today, I keep being told to go through a ReCaptcha exercise whenever I posted 'external links' (ie, pretty much anything in a page footer), as though I wasn't logged in.

Is anybody else having this problem? --RWDCollinson (talk) 15:04, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

Yes. Started today.
Looksharp (talk) 23:31, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. Has anyone complained to Wikia about this? This is a pretty major impediment to editing. --RWDCollinson (talk) 11:19, March 9, 2016 (UTC)
Does it still happen to you? I never had the problem to begin with though and can't help. Greetings, --Fassbrause (talk) 20:38, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

punctuation in article title

Please see'Pazzo!' (and the song is listed as such on the artist and album pages.) The song title is italicized on the cd cover and in the booklet. Is an apostrophe a replacement for italics? Can't the lyric entry be listed as simply Pazzo! ? Picky detail but might be worth knowing for future oddness. Cheers. derekbd (talk) 17:44, April 2, 2016 (UTC)

Italics is formatting, like font color, and therefore not to be reproduced in the pagename. Whether to italicize the track listing on album & artist page is a different matter… — 6×9 (Talk) 18:56, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for fixing with redirect. derekbd (talk) 19:09, April 2, 2016 (UTC)
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