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Album with two artists?

I have just finished creating lyric pages for the songs on this album [1] and now I want to add them to an album page to link them all together but I'm unsure how to create the page because the tracks on the album are by two different artists. --Mark b (talk) 17:39, February 3, 2017 (UTC)

For split albums, you can remove the default artist parameter in the {{AlbumHeader}} template, and use the split1 and split2 parameters instead. See the Less Than Jake / Against All Authority (1995) page for an example of this. Hope this helps, OneTwoThreeFall talk 18:05, February 3, 2017 (UTC)
That's perfect, thank you. --Mark b (talk) 19:03, February 3, 2017 (UTC)

Cosmetic changes in lyrics

I noticed couple Gregorian's cover songs lyrics differ from what they sing. I would love to make this correct. Would you like to allow me to do this ?? --Jack Has1000 (talk) 21:46, February 14, 2017 (UTC)

Cover songs are not necessarily identical to originals. All songs are supposed to be transcribed as sung by the {{SongHeader}} artist. Please see Help:FS#Lyrics hth. --ES (talk) 21:54, February 14, 2017 (UTC)
This is what I meant. They are NOT transcribed as sung. For example: Wiki lyric's site: [[2]] and [Music video on YouTube:]. On lyric site there are many verses what are not sung. --Jack Has1000 (talk) 22:21, February 14, 2017 (UTC)
Can I amend them, please ?? --Jack Has1000 (talk) 17:31, February 15, 2017 (UTC)
Indeed, that is why lw is open to the public! --ES (talk) 18:06, February 15, 2017 (UTC)

Lucía Gil – Dragonfly

Could someone look at the lyrics of Lucía Gil:Dragonfly? I just created the page, but I'm not sure about some parts which are probably wrong. nyuszika7h (talk) 14:02, March 17, 2017 (UTC)

I made some changes, feel free to disagree with them. I'm not sure about the line you have as "the one above we long to", but I can't figure out anything else it could be right now, even with the lip syncing. ~Bobogoobo (talk) 02:39, March 18, 2017 (UTC)

Correct use of fLetter Parameter with Greek or Accented characters

Help Help:FS#fLetter_Parameter point number 4 states "If the first letter is a character in a non-Latin alphabet such as Cyrillic, Greek, etc., or is an "accented" character such as Á, Ö, or Ç, use the true fLetter character, not fLetter = Symbol"

For clarification does "true fLetter" mean that fLetter for a song starting with the letter Ö should be O or Ö (or the Cyrillic/Greek character exactly) ?

Also, in Afrikaans we have 'n (meaning An), so would the fLetter for a song called 'n Reisiger be ' or Symbol or N ?

Perhaps I am being obtuse but it is not clear to me and I am wondering if I should update the docs to clarify for others in my position?

thanks in advance DesPhagues (talk) 13:08, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

"First letter" is misleading; "first character" is probably more fitting. So for "'n" it would be "Symbol". Read "true fLetter character" as "actual first character". I'll see whether I can make this section clearer. — 6×9 (Talk) 14:29, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

Hungarian names

Is there a consensus regarding Hungarian names? In Hungarian, the last name is usually put first (e.g. on a single cover, but also in spoken language). On lw I have found artist pages for Hungarian artists that follow the pattern LASTNAME FIRSTNAME (e.g. Szécsi Pál), but also Hungarian artists that follow the pattern FIRSTNAME LASTNAME (e.g. Gábor Szabó).

On English wikipedia they always swap last name and first name, here's an example:

en: Kati Wolf hu: Wolf Kati

Which way is the correct way to go on lw?

I'd prefer the English pattern, tbh.

--Kopf101 (talk) 17:25, April 18, 2017 (UTC)

Performance name over real name, so both "Szécsi Pál" and "Gábor Szabó" appear to be at the correct home, as those are the names that appear on (at least the majority of) album covers. (Depends on the target audience I suppose…)
All covers on Discogs have "Wolf Kati" so that's the way to go (although the single album page on EN wikipedia shows "Kati Wolf"). In all cases, a redirect should be created for the other name variation. — 6×9 (Talk) 17:39, April 18, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Well, on international releases it's Kati Wolf. And her lw page (which was not created by me, I just named her as a random example) also uses Kati Wolf, even though her domestic single covers display her name as Wolf Kati. So I guess that her lw page is simply named incorrectly? If so, I'm gonna change it. The problem is that it's not a performance name we're talking about, it's just the regular name order in Hungary, which is different from the common name order in most other countries. --Kopf101 (talk) 05:45, April 19, 2017 (UTC)

Manage Artist Name Change

I'm updating an artist profile. She has changed her artistic name and now uses only her first name since the release of her new album: Hania:The Hero Within (2017). How should this change be reflected on the wiki? Should old albums and songs keep her former name, or everything should be updated through the whole site? I ask mainly this question because her new album has songs from older albums, and I don't know how this should be reflected on the album playlist. --DaPhyre (talk) 01:46, May 12, 2017 (UTC)

Editor Buttons

Currently I've got major problems with the editor buttons. Whenever I use "add albums", "tidy lyrics" or "tidy templates", the whole code is messed up. I've tried various different browsers but the buttons don't work properly anywhere. --Kopf101 (talk) 15:34, July 4, 2017 (UTC)

At JSP, go to test mode. --ES (talk) 15:46, July 4, 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. --Kopf101 (talk) 16:31, July 4, 2017 (UTC)
Sorry about that! It should be working now without need for test mode (the script's been reviewed). - OneTwoThreeFall talk 20:23, July 4, 2017 (UTC)

Same Artist & Song Name, but with different lyrics in different Albums

The Artist recorded two different albums, in which there is one and the same song, but with different lyrics. Different duration of the songs. Lyrics changed. The media player make request of lyrics via a link, i.e. received same lyrics.


  1. Сизокрилий голубоньку from Найкраще (2005), 2:21
  2. Сизокрилий голубоньку from Молитва (2006), 3:32

How true way? (Impulsar (talk) 01:07, July 11, 2017 (UTC))

Multiple songs with the same title.hth --ES (talk) 01:10, July 11, 2017 (UTC)
I created the disambig page and fixed the links on albums and artist page. Just edit the appropriate song to match what is sung. cheers--ES (talk) 01:29, July 11, 2017 (UTC)
thx for the created disambig page, i added lyrics for both variations, but now my media player Clementine shows a blank sheet instead lyrics of songs. :( Now, how get lyrics for this songs in media players? To write developers of Clementine? ;( My purpose - the lyrics of these songs should be as accessible as possible while listening.(Impulsar (talk) 02:42, July 11, 2017 (UTC))
I think you may need to rename the two versions of the song in your media library according to the new names we gave them. hth --ES (talk) 02:56, July 11, 2017 (UTC)
These songs are so designated by album publishers. If it was just for me, then there is no problem. Maybe will suggest all listeners to change the titles of these songs for shows lyrics by rules wikia? (Impulsar (talk) 03:21, July 11, 2017 (UTC))
As it stands, Сизокрилий Голубоньку is no longer a song page. However per Multiple songs with the same title, we can keep the more well known version of the song (if such is the case) at the original location, which would lead your media player to not find the other version.
Or another option would be to keep both versions of the song on the original song page, and discard the disambig page etc.
Personally I am against creating song pages that contradict existing album listings, but the docs specify the current (dismbig'd) arrangement. Other admins (sv!) may have better solutions. I'd suggest revisiting this thread in 24 hours. --ES (talk) 03:36, July 11, 2017 (UTC)

Conflicting info on collaboration vs. featured artists

Need some input at Mike Perry, The Vamps & Sabrina Carpenter:Hands#Credits. – nyuszika7h (talk) 09:23, July 14, 2017 (UTC)

iTunes and MusicBrainz seem to credit it as Mike Perry ft. The Vamps and Sabrina Carpenter, so I'd go with that. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 13:04, July 14, 2017 (UTC)
Yeah, for the album they do, but the single was credited as a collaboration and MB copied whatever iTunes and others said for both. I'll just revert it to featuring, at least for now. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:21, July 14, 2017 (UTC)

Cinderella - Somebody Save Me

Hello. Someone please can check Cinderella:Somebody Save Me. Most sites says the correct are "they kicked me out of my tree" and "when she connects you with a knife", I tried my best I think is kinda hard to understand some words the vocalist says. I even look for the insert to see the lyrics printed and seems it's really "tree", but to me it seems "dream". Thank you. Songsbr (talk) 02:16, July 28, 2017 (UTC)

Stylization in SongHeader

When writing the SongHeader for a song with specific stylization, is there a way to make the text appear in the stylized format rather than the name due to LyricsWikia? Hopefully one that applies for both albums and song names

If anyone is wondering, it's this EP -- Ave879103 (talk) 18:04, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

done --ES (talk) 20:27, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

Joe Cocker:Up Where We Belong

Hello, somebody can please change the name of the page Joe Cocker:Up Where We Belong. This is a duet, so the correct name is Joe Cocker & Jennifer Warnes:Up Where We Belong, Jennifer warnes is not just a featured singer. You can see in the credits of the lp and singles she's also the main singer. soundtrack and singles. I try to changed but says i don't have autorization. Songsbr (talk) 15:51, August 26, 2017 (UTC)

done - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 17:01, August 26, 2017 (UTC)

Dealing with album names that contain the artist name, but are not their self-titled album

I'm working on creating pages for songs by "The Two Man Gentlemen Band", and I'm starting off with what seems to be their most popular album on iTunes Store, titled "Drip Dryin' with the Two Man Gentlemen Band" (2009), which also happens to be the only one of their albums I currently own a (digital) copy of. Before that, they did produce a self-titled debut album in 2005.

However, the Wikipedia page for the band just lists the album as "Drip Dryin'", possibly to keep the "discography" section of the page more uniform.

Now, while I was drafting a song page (I haven't published it yet, as I was only previewing it), I went ahead and typed in the full album name, but it looks a bit redundant. I'll show it here, but I did also copy the template to the public sandbox if a staff member wants to actually see it (then they can delete it after replying to this).

(I italicised the text in order to make it more visible to myself)

"This song is by The Two Man Gentlemen Band and appears on the album Drip Dryin' with the Two Man Gentlemen Band (2009)."

The SongHeader "album" parameter is like this: "The Two Man Gentlemen Band:Drip Dryin' with the Two Man Gentlemen Band (2009)"

So, when creating the album page later on, should I just have the album page be named "The Two Man Gentlemen Band:Drip Dryin' (2009)" instead, and maybe add a template to the top of the page that mentions the correct (official) name and that it had been shortened for anti-redundancy reasons? (and/or a redirect?)

I also duplicated the template in the public sandbox, but with the shorter name I just mentioned. -- Kbhasi (talk) 17:28, September 28, 2017 (UTC) (minor edit added at 17:34)

It seems that someone has created a page for the band AFTER I posted this question, however, the year info for the albums seems to be incorrect compared to Wikipedia. I currently don't have a way to access iTunes Store, but I'll try to check info on Amazon Music. -- Kbhasi (talk) 07:27, September 29, 2017 (UTC)
Please see external links in album footers, earlier years (than other refs) are per discogs, and we usually use the earliest release year when external sites disagree. --ES (talk) 07:34, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

I just checked Amazon Music, and confirmed the album year info here on Lyrically is all incorrect. I'll try to see if I can correct the pages. In the meantime, I've reset the public sandbox.

For now, my initial question appears to have been answered. If anyone is browsing the archive (using the web browser "find on page" tool) and is wondering, it seems to be that the artist name should be excluded from the album name, unless it is their self-titled album. -- Kbhasi (talk) 07:40, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Oh, and thanks ES for the clarification. -- Kbhasi (talk) 07:44, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Two artists with the same name?

I want to create a page for the band Golem, but there's already a band named GoleM, and so it registers as a duplicate. Is there a way to make a disambiguation page? I am new here and have no idea what I'm doing. Also, sorry if this has already been answered in a stupidly obvious place. Cicadian.Rhythm (talk) 00:05, September 29, 2017 (UTC)

Please see Golem (Disambiguation). If you add one song for the new Golem, I'll take care of the rest. hth --ES (talk) 02:16, September 29, 2017 (UTC)
... please see your talk page. tia. --ES (talk) 05:00, October 2, 2017 (UTC)

Songs with alternate titles

If a song is known by 2 different names (Specifically, it was known by one name, but since then, iTunes and Spotify have changed the name), which name should be listed? The article can be found here: RIVRS -- Ave879103 (talk) 12:18, October 8, 2017 (UTC)

If there's no album case tracklist to go by, either/or would be acceptable IMO. - Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 14:38, October 8, 2017 (UTC)

Song with no album?

I have the lyrics to a song that, as far as I know, wasn't released on an album. An English and bilingual version was, but for some reason I had to hunt this one down like the most dangerous game. It is sung by a well known artist-- can I just throw it under her "Other Songs" section? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cicadian.Rhythm (talkcontribs), 05:33, October 21, 2017 (UTC).

Sure, though ideally it's go in a more appropriate section. How was it released? Perhaps it'd fit in a "Singles" section? - OneTwoThreeFall talk 19:18, January 30, 2018 (UTC)

Adding V(ボルト)

I have been trying to add this song but its not letting me add it due to the song title and i checked and I dont see any issues but its saying the title goes agasnt the guidlines--Dragonzeron (talk) 00:46, December 29, 2017 (UTC)

I replied on your talk page about this: User_talk:Dragonzeron#Page_Names. Hope that'll help! - OneTwoThreeFall talk 19:18, January 30, 2018 (UTC)

Album Reissue, Spotify Links, and Stylizing Question

First, should I add a single re-issue of two albums if it contains a total of three bonus tracks not included on any other release? I've seen similar discussion concerning singles and EPs, but I wasn't sure if this would be a different situation.

Second, with the reissue being on Spotify where the original albums are not, is it acceptable to add the Spotify links of the reissue to the song pages for the original album's tracks?

Third, I have the feeling the title "T・RIANGLE" is considered stylized and will need to be unstylized for the page name. How would I do so? XAedriane (talk) 07:14, January 19, 2018 (UTC)

Info on what to put on an artist page

Where do I find info on what is supposed to go on an artist page? For example, what (compilation, live etc.) albums should be mentioned. Seems full discographies with all such albums listed are not allowed.--91.49 (talk) 19:44, January 26, 2018 (UTC)

Album List & Non-Album Songs
--ES (talk) 19:50, January 26, 2018 (UTC)
Been there. Doesn't quite answer my questions. They tell me what albums get an album page and how to handle non-album songs only. Are red links on artist pages generally not allowed? I guess if an album page is allowed one should first create the album page and then link it on the artist page. Right? I haven't found a page that simply tells me what to put on an artist page and when.--91.49 (talk) 19:58, January 26, 2018 (UTC)
If a red link is a lone album link [3], it is not allowed to stay on any artist page. Otherwise every artist page could be packed with all their releases that we don't have or won't have listed because they don't qualify to be listed, per docs referenced above. hth --ES (talk) 20:20, January 26, 2018 (UTC)
Not all their releases, right? Just albums with unique songs. Compilations and live albums are being deleted if they list nothing more than songs from other proper studio albums. ( Redrkr (talk) 21:58, January 26, 2018 (UTC) )
2nd time for Redrkr: If a red link is a lone album link [4]
  • PS: Viewing the page section at the linked edit may be very helpful, Please scroll down! --ES (talk) 22:05, January 26, 2018 (UTC)

A-ha's MTV Unplugged album has two songs that they hadn't recorded before. One is a song by Magne and Paul's previous band Bridges. One is a song by Echo & The Bunniemen. So an album page for it would be alright, wouldn't it? Where on the artist page and how do I list it then? The way studio albums are listed? Or on a separate section with or without the songs listed?--91.49 (talk) 14:34, January 27, 2018 (UTC) PS: On the other hand I don't know if the lyrics of that Bridges song are available somewhere. And the lyrics of The Killing Moon are certainly already here.

I had totally forgotten that there are two new songs on the Unplugged album, too. So it should certainly deserve a page.--91.49 (talk) 16:59, January 28, 2018 (UTC)

Song of the day

I've had a look at the nominations for song of the day. Too many of them are lame as to the reasons given and too many have bad spelling. IMHO, something appearing at the home page should be of better quality. Who makes sure that the nominations ending up in the queue are of good quality? Who is allowed to transfer bad nominations to the pending section? Only admins?--91.49 (talk) 15:36, January 27, 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I'm the one who's been taking care of the Song of the Day nominations recently.
You're quite right that many nominations are a bit lacking in detail - I always try to filter those out. Recently, I've been stricter about this as the queue currently lasts until 28 July and, whilst it's nice to be ahead, I don't want it to get too long! For what remains, I give a proofread for spelling and grammar - as long as the reason is decent, I don't think spelling should mean rejection.
Regarding transferring bad nominations (and other SOTD work), I'm not sure what the rules were for that before I started maintaining SOTD, but I wouldn't mind other interested people (including non-admins) helping out!
- OneTwoThreeFall talk 19:09, January 30, 2018 (UTC)

Music on MySpace

Is anyone able to listen to anything on Myspace? Or is it totally dead? tia --ES (talk) 07:27, January 31, 2018 (UTC)

There's a way to search for music once you're on a page, but it took a good bit of fiddling around with to actually find the music. Amount and selection of songs seems to differ from artist to artist. XAedriane (talk) 10:34, January 31, 2018 (UTC)
example: [5], can anyone play the songs? on any ms page... --ES (talk) 10:46, January 31, 2018 (UTC)

Other user added a song from someone who's not a real artist

I noticed through the "Insights" section (on the right) that someone created this page. It appeared to be created by someone who wasn't signed in to a Fandom account, and they weren't using the correct page format. I was thinking of updating the page to use the correct page format, but realised that the artist is just an amateur YouTube user (only 91 subscribers), not a real recording artist. Should the page be deleted, or should I continue updating it to use the correct page format? -- Kbhasi (talk) 13:56, February 13, 2018 (UTC)

Edit: The page has been deleted by someone else. -- Kbhasi (talk) 14:43, February 13, 2018 (UTC)

Transcribing overlapping lyrics?

I'm trying to transcribe a song (Haunted By Angels:Season Of Death) in which, at one point, three voices sing separate verses over each other. In successive rounds, it goes A, A+B, A+B+C, B+C, C (each voice joins one verse after the preceding, and sings their verse three times). How... how do I mark that? --Corveroth (talk) 21:22, May 15, 2018 (UTC)

I think this is related to this previous question LyricWiki:Help Desk#Simultaneous_but_different_choruses?, it doesn’t seem like there is any definitive rule, still you can often find the form "lyrics A (lyrics B)".
For three simultaneous lines, if they’re not too long, maybe you could go for "lyrics A / lyrics B / lyrics C"? Or "lyrics A[newline]lyrics B[newline]lyrics C", separated by blank lines?
I think it depends on whether the meaning lays in the successive lines (first suggested form) or in the simultaneous voices (second suggested form). — Idlusen (talk) 10:21, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
Edit: I forgot that in your case the verses are repeated, so maybe there is in A+B/A+B+C/B+C a voice that stands out? In which case you could transcribe only this one. — Idlusen (talk) 10:38, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
In the current version of the page, at the end of the song, the primary singer sings verse A ("Betrayed so afraid"). I've marked verse B with double parens ("The winter comes...") (the singer for this verse doesn't have any other lines), and verse C with single parens ("Look to me...") (this singer has several other lines). I'm trying to identify those two singers right now. In any case, I don't think any particular voice is dominant or more meaningful throughout. --Corveroth (talk) 18:48, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
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