2,054,105 Pages

Replacement filing cabinet This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current LyricWiki page.
LyricWiki archive for Help Desk
<< 2011 2012 2013 >>

Normal or smart quotes?

Hi, I have two song pages (by the same artist, featuring the same song) where one uses a normal quote, and one a smart quote:

I feel that there should be a policy on this in favour of normal quotes, since smart quotes are often badly handled by software. Anyone agree/disagree? – Antt 16:00, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, normal quotes, please, instead of smart quotes. Feel free to rename and/or redirect any pages with smart quotes in the title, and change any smart quotes you see in page bodies to normal quotes. Trainman 03:45, January 25, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks :) Shame I can't search on them! :D – Antt 14:47, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

pages with question marks

pages with question marks are not accessible over the search, for example, if you search for "Deniz Seki Zor Mu", you will get a result, but the link goes to Deniz Seki:Zor Mu? instead of Deniz Seki:Zor Mu?. And it's not possible (with Firefox) to enter the ? into the url, you'd have to add "%3F" to the url. Is there a way this problem is treated? --Androl 19:50, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

There is, make Deniz Seki:Zor Mu? a redirect to Deniz Seki:Zor Mu? and it doesn't matter which of the two pages you access. N. B.: the second link in the search results worked for me. - Chris 17:45, June 22, 2013 (UTC)

encoding problems

many Turkish lyrics have wrong encoding of characters (ISO-x-9 -> ISO-x-1), it affects ş->þ, ğ->ð and ı->ý. This must have happened by a wrong database conversion after 18. Apr. 2011, see the last two edits of this page. Are there plans to correct this by a bot or do we have to correct it manually? --Androl 20:05, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Spam removal needed


Can an admin delete the spam on this page please? User_blog:Ausir/Taylor_Swift_vs._Jane_Austen

Thanks, – Antt 13:06, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

Dialogue samples on instrumentals

Is a song still an instrumental if it contains dialogue samples from movies or other sources? Like this song: Not Beautiful Anymore by Porcupine Tree.

And about the "language tag" on the song ranking page for an instrumental, should it be "not applicable" or "done"? Darknite47 12:30, March 15, 2012 (UTC)

Formatting for songs with speech

What should be done when a song has spoken words in it? For example if there is a song which samples someone saying something. I've seen various implementations from writing (spoken) before the section or "putting it in speech marks". I've tended to just not make a note of it at all and leave the text like normal lyrics.

What is best?  Talk  Chromana   22:54, March 27, 2012 (UTC)

Live versions need their own pages

If an artist releases a live album and lyrics on that album differ from the studio version do the live versions want their own page?  Talk  Chromana   01:14, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Also, what if it's lyrics to a live performance which was never released on an actual album? I think just remove those.  Talk  Chromana   01:29, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
I don't think a live version separation has enough value to pursue. Maybe a rare occasion when a version differes significantly. But not in general. - Redrkr 03:24, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
Ok, this is essentially my problem. This is a live album Linkin Park:Live In Texas (2003). As you can see they all link to the studio version song lyrics. Then in the Other Songs section for Linkin Park there is this song Linkin Park:One Step Closer which has a note about it being different to the studio version at the top. So should I just redirect the live version to the studio version and then remove the live version from the "other songs" section?
It seems pointless to have this 2nd version if it isn't used.  Talk  Chromana   19:49, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Opinion in naming an album

Team StarKid have released a new album entitled 'That's What I Call StarKid! Volume 2'. Obviously, the title is a parody of the Now! series of albums, but I'm having a bit of trouble deciding how it should be named on the wiki. This is further complicated because there isn't actually a 'Volume 1'. So which should I use?

  • 'That's What I Call StarKid! Volume 2' (the full title given)
  • 'That's What I Call StarKid! 2' (matching the Now! series - I don't really think this one works)
  • 'That's What I Call StarKid!' (lose the Vol. 2 all together)

    ǝsʞpɐןǝ  (talk page)  16:45, 14/04/2012

You should use the full proper title. So in this case it should be your first option :)  Talk  Chromana   21:43, April 16, 2012 (UTC)

Overlapping Lyrics

Okay, I have a song which has a load of overlapping lyrics. Here's a sample:

Batman, Superman and Green Lantern:   (Chorus:)
I want to be somebody’s buddy
(I want to be, I want to be, I want to be, I want to be)
(Bud-buddy, buddy. Bud-buddy, buddy)
(Somebody, somebody)
Somebody who can be my buddy back
(Somebody's buddy back)
(Bud-buddy, buddy. Bud-bud...)
(Somebody, somebody-body)
I want to be somebody’s buddy
(I want to be, I want to be, I want to be, I want to be)
(Bud-buddy, buddy. Bud-buddy, buddy)
(Somebody, somebody)

Batman:   (Chorus:)
Anybody but a dumbshit butler!
(Bud-buddy, buddy. Bud-bud...)
(Somebody, somebody-body)

Basically, is there a better way of presenting this? Also, I need to lose the bold formatting as it's used for character markings. Any suggestions?     ǝsʞpɐןǝ  (talk page)  17:19, 18/04/2012

Yikes! That must have been a pain...
Can't really think of a better way to do this, at least not without a lot of extra mark-up (which would make editing a pain). I'd drop both italic and bold formatting, as the separate brackets already suggest different singers. I wouldn't have bothered with the "faux echo" bits, but that's because I'm lazy :-)
Maybe Chris has a few better ideas, he's our resident web designer after all. — 6×9 (Talk) 19:40, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
How come this page wasn't added to my watchlist anymore? I'm only saw it yesterday because Bcousson wrote on your talk page that he had posted a question here, 6.
Well, once again I feel honoured by so much confidence in my skills as webdesigner. But this is actually tricky, although I have an idea that's doable: a template for multilines, syntax as follows:
|line:black=Somebody who can be my buddy back
|line:green=Somebody's buddy back
|line:red=Bud-buddy, buddy. Bud-bud...
|line:blue=Somebody, somebody-body
I wrote this text yesterday night and although my plans were to only set up a tiny demo, I was so eagerly slaying my keyboard that it resulted in the completion of {{MultiLine}} at 4 a.m..
The template itself would work, but apparently, it is not expanded when used within the lyrics tags, at least not on my test page. I'm not sure what causes this behaviour; it might be the Loops extension. This is the only parser hook I used besides ParserFunctions and Variables which already work for the {{Instrumental}} template. I will proceed to implement this template without loops, as more than 10 lyric lines are senseless anyway, as the selectors would be less than 2 pixels high then. But at first I would like you to share your thoughts with me, in case you feel changes are to be made, I'd like to test them beforehand. - Chris 21:52, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
Quoting Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Songs#Lyrics
"Please don't add fancy formatting within the <lyrics> tags by using HTML tags such as <div>. This presents problems to users who access our lyrics through script plug-ins, which display these tags as plain text."
The same goes for complex template syntax. If there is a need to colour individual lines (such as in the above case) it's better to use our {{red}}, {{blue}} and {{green}} templates (and maybe add a couple more colours if necessary). It's easier to train plugins to extract the text between the last "|" and the first following "}" than to make them understand what in the above example is a lyric and what isn't. Plus, they're friendlier for non-wiki-savvy editors. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:21, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
Hm, but does colouring the text solve the problem of overlapping lyrics? It's still sequentially displayed. I thought we need some grouping.
  1. The access for the lyric plugins is disabled since September 09.
  2. The template is not for colouring lyrics, the markers only have colours to make them differ.
  3. Every parameter value is lyrics, except "default". Remove {{MultiLine, maybe the "default" parameter, and everything from | to next =. Ready Smile
Amongst the grouping possiblities I think this might be the best solution one can have:
  • The code works for the top 5 browsers (Firefox, Internet Explorer, Opera, Google Chrome, Safari) and looks exactly the same.
  • Interactive, but without script
  • Even when highlighting the lyrics for copy-paste, all browsers copy only the default line as if it was the only one (except for IE of course, it inserts some additional linebreaks)
  • On mobile browsers all lyric lines are displayed successively as without any markup at all.
  • Only one optional non-lyric parameter.
- Chris 17:31, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Multiple albums

I want to add an album to an existing artist page. This is a "live" album and the lyrics differ from the "studio" versions of the same songs. When entering the songs for the live album, do I add an extension to the song name; for instance instead of the studio name of the song "Love Song", should I enter something like "Love Song- Live At Billy Bobs". I hope this make sense. I'm new at this but I have alot of lyrics I would like to share. Don

Sorry, just saw this now -- looks like it had been on this page for a while -- and don't want it to remain unanswered.
In general, the live version would be named "Love Song (Live)." You can also put the "Live" template on the page with the live version's lyrics (to link to the studio version) and the "Studio" template on the page with the studio version's lyrics (to link to the live version).
If needed for clarity -- because there's more than one live version, with different lyrics -- they could be denoted by, for example, "Love Song (Live At Billy Bob's)" and "Love Song (Live At Robert William's)," or by the name of the album on which they appear, such as "Love Song (Greatest Hits Live)" and "Love Song (Reunion Concert)."
Note that live bootlegs are usually beyond the scope of this site, so there probably won't need to be too many different live versions of a given song by a given artist. Trainman (talk) 23:10, December 19, 2012 (UTC)

Album cover question

I have uploaded an album cover while in the Artist page and all went well, but when I go to the Album page the cover is not there. Could there be some link that is missing? This is my first album entry so I need some help. - Signed for Nfguy 17:28, May 09, 2012 (UTC)

done The reason was hidden in a hardly visible difference between characters "–" and "-", so renaming your file "The Wagoneers Stout & High.jpg" to "The Wagoneers - Stout & High.jpg" did the trick.
hth, ---Senvaikis (talk) 21:03, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

Allmusic all new

Allmusic has a new outfit and new links, which sadly don't work. Any news on that I overlooked? -- Darknite47 17:30, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Wrong filename

Hello, I made a mistake and download the good file but with the wrong name. I want to destroy the stupid cover image but i didn't find how. Can someone help! thanks — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Noradan (talkcontribs), 19:05, 19 July 2012‎.

You can place {{deletion}} on a page to request its deletion.
Please also have a look at our page naming policy, if you haven't done so yet. — 6×9 (Talk) 12:44, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Cannot edit a page with unbreakable space in the URL

I have an issue deleting / redirecting a page and it seems to be due to an unbreakable space character in the original url:

And the exact same problem happened for that one too:

In fact, if I try to edit it, it is automatically edited as:

And thus I cannot remove or redirect that page that is marked as orphan everyday by a janitor bot :-(

That page is always listed here as a real page whereas it should be a redirect:

What can I do? I tried editing it using the encoded url, but that does not work :-(

Thanks, -- Bcousson (talk) 20:06, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

Split singles

How does one go about entering a split single into the DB? I want to add Anal Cunt's split single with the Raunchous Brothers. FokkerTISM (talk) 07:08, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Use the Album template with the Split and Split2 parameters. Have a look at Stark Miami Mines / Satisfy You (2002) for an example. – Antt 10:21, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Additional information (YouTube link)

I was unable to find (in a reasonable amount of scanning time) information on this topic, so my apologies if I missed something already posted.. I am still a neophyte hereabouts, so am still learning. I am attempting to add lyrics for songs on a debut album (one song from which had already been added). While doing this, I am using the templates provided when clicking on the editing help sections (simultaneously trying to be sure I understand how they relate to the default entry page that gets created when you add song titles to an album entry), and my entry for the YouTube vid is resulting in no addition to the finished Wiki page for the song. Is this functionality not yet operational? Thanks, MRNot — The preceding unsigned comment was added by (talk), 15:20, 18 October 2012‎.

The {{youtube embed}} template only takes the 11-char youtube ID, not the full link. Oh, and please don't include notation like "chorus" or "bridge" in the lyrics; see Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Songs#Lyrics for more info. — 6×9 (Talk) 16:56, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Related songs template?

Hi all, I was wondering if there's any official/standard way of linking songs together. For example, Okkervil River:Disfigured Cowboy is an old version of Okkervil River:Black Sheep Boy Number 4, with a few quite different lyrics. I'd like to somehow link from one to the other, so that it's easy to see that they're related. Any ideas? – Antt 11:02, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

There's no dedicated template for this (mostly in such cases the titles are the same or similar, so they're covered by {{WrongPage}}/{{disambig}}), but you could use the generic {{SInfo}} somewhere above the lyrics. — 6×9 (Talk) 20:02, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
Thanks very much. I think the SInfo would fit the example I've given, but I imagine the other templates might be useful in other examples of a similar problem! – Antt 14:10, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Requesting lyrics

If i earning some points i can ask some lyrics? — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lucswalker (talkcontribs), 21:35, December 16, 2012‎ (UTC).

Hi, you needn't earn points to ask for help with some lyrics or to request them. The achievements are just for the fun of it, but it's not like you may only do certain things based on the achievement points. So which song do you want? - Chris 21:43, December 16, 2012 (UTC)
P.S.: Next time, please sign your post by adding ~~~~ behind it.
Community content is available under Copyright unless otherwise noted.