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Multiple Album Appearances

On this help-page is written, that for multiple album appearances the song-template should be used for every apearance. I thought the AddAlb-Template should be used (like on this song: Bonfire:You Make Me Feel)

Can you update the help-site with the correct information? Acccept 03:04, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Samples

Would it be worth adding a template to indicate where a song takes a sample from another song? (Something very similar to what's currently done with cover versions, for instance; something like "This song contains a sample from "Old Cape Cod" by Patti Page.", or some such.) Kinitawowi 17:27, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

This information can be added with the "addtext" parameter in the {{Song}} template. It accepts links too.  Яєdxx Actions Words 15:50, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
That'd work. I was thinking a template might make things easier for consistency purposes, though. (Some songs already have half-arsed attempts at including sample information; see Stronger by Kanye West, for instance, where it's just been added as a standard line.) Kinitawowi 18:10, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
You know what, screw it - I can probably just throw something together myself by adapting it from another template (most likely {{Cover}}). Not sure how it'll react to songs containing multiple samples, though - I know of a couple of songs which sample at least three other songs... Kinitawowi 11:27, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
Done it - check User:Kinitawowi/SampleTesting. Looks a little unwieldy right now, though. Kinitawowi 16:48, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

After editing a song, should we then link to it from the artist page?

Mention that now that we are through editing the song, don't we now need to turn to Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Artists and add a link to the song from the artist page? Jidanni 03:55, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Would be nice if users did that, but isn't really required. A page that isn't linked to by any other page will appear on Special:LonelyPages, where User:Janitor will find it eventually and (if it's a song or album page) add a link to the artist page. — 6×9 (Talk) 04:13, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, at first look Special:LonelyPages looks ancient, but estimating from the speed of Special:RecentChanges, maybe the wait isn't that long.

(If I were in charge, album and artist pages would just be category pages... but I'm only used to two level hierarchies, http://jidanni.org/comp/wiki/article-category.html , Anyway, the strongest bond would be artist-song. But I guess this is all now moot.)Jidanni 04:49, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Adding another tags like lyrics?

I thought a lot about it, and I think that it could be much more convenient if we can put the things like chorus and character or refrain in the songs using such tags. It will bring some semantic stuff into text, and, moreover more functionality in formatting on the client side ;) What do you think? -- Soshial 23:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Songs on reissue versions of albums

This seems like more of a "song" issue than an "album" issue, so I'll ask it here: is there an official policy regarding songs that are added to reissue versions of albums? The page for Blondie's "Call Me" was edited to say that the song appears on their Autoamerican album. True, it is a bonus track on the current reissue version, but now the page looks odd with the song's actual first appearance on a 1980 album being listed along with a 1979 album on which the song didn't first appear. (Things are further complicated by the fact that the page for Autoamerican only contains the track list of the original issue.)

Best solution I can think of, if we do want to include bonus tracks on album reissues, is to come up with a standard "type" to use in the situation. Unfortunately, the phrasing is a bit limited with the automatic "the" that gets added. "reissue of" seems like a quick and dirty solution, but that would expand to "on the reissue of (album name)," and there may well have been more than one reissue. LYRIC-Trainman 04:00, September 19, 2009 (UTC)

What I usually do in such cases is pretty much what you suggested, except that I add the year of the reissue, (a) because there might be more than one and (b) to clarify why, for example, a 1980 album comes after a 1999 one (if the reissue was in 2005). So the syntax in the above case would be "type=2001 reissue of the album". — 6×9 (Talk) 05:44, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
Ooh, that works well with the year in there. Thanks. LYRIC-Trainman 05:59, September 19, 2009 (UTC)


Multiple versions of the same song

How should a song that has multiple versions of it be handled? Specifically Jars Of Clay has multiple versions of the song, Liquid. The Frail version is a different studio version than the self titled version, which is different than the live version on Stringtown, which is different than the updated studio version on Furthermore.

They have multiple songs where they have revisited the studio to re-release, so this isn't really a one-off type of thing.

Currently, they all link to the one page, but I'm wondering if this is correct. Adrian Belew only produced the self titled version, so the Credits would need to be modified or moved to the album page. I'm curious as to how to proceed. Photocopy 18:08, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Traditional songs

What to do when the composer or original artist are unknown? --Jcpotts 05:27, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

You can use the "Traditional:" prefix for the page title and list it on the Traditional page. — 6×9 (Talk) 13:19, July 13, 2012 (UTC)

What To Do If Lyrics Are Sung Incorrectly?

Should "lyrics...always be transcribed as sung" even in a case like the singer messing up? She has it as "I" in the lyric booklet, on her website, in her demo of the song, in her redone version of the song for the second album, and in all her live performances...but in the version on the first album accidentally sung "you" even tho it makes no sense context-wise. Which should I put? Linkdude20002001 (talk) 09:35, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

Always as sung, yes. If she sings “you” on the first album, then make sure the song page from the first album uses “you”, and use “I” on a separate song page for all other versions (if the lyrics on these are otherwise the same in each version). Make sure you note on the song page that there is another version of the song and link to it—I think there is a template for that—and make sure you explain this situation in the Trivia section on both pages. :) Nyaanyaa Mewmew (talk) 21:53, June 24, 2015 (UTC)
Not quite true. A switch of single words does not justify a whole new page. Instead, note differences in the trivia section of {{CreditBox}}. If the words sung in a specific version of a song significantly (e.g. whole additional stanzas) differ from the original, a new song page is required. Hth,  · Lichtweber talk service  13:47, July 15, 2015 (UTC)
If that is a rule, it should be clearly stated on the Help page—which is currently not the case. The page generally needs a lot more work to clarify situations, and the formatting is quite awful still... Nyaanyaa Mewmew (talk) 15:48, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

Question About Vocal Noises

So, Of Monsters and Men is known for their music having lots vocal noises like "Ooh-ooh", "Lalala", and "Hey!", and it often makes up a good chunk of a song, like the last minute or two. Would these vocal noises be important enough to include, or should they be left out? Also, is "Hey!" even considered a vocal noise? I feel like in this case it would be. Its inclusion is to serve the same purpose as the lalalas and such. Linkdude20002001 (talk) 09:47, May 18, 2015 (UTC)

Missing/undecipherable lyrics

Is there a standardised way of indicating that a particular line/part/section of a song’s lyrics is not available because it cannot be (or at least hasn’t yet been) deciphered? For example, a live version of a song where three or four words in one verse are clearly not the same as in recorded versions, but is also sung inaudibly or unclearly enough that you just cannot make out what’s being sung.

I usually indicate this by writing [???missing???], but this is completely ad hoc, and I can’t find any mention of such cases anywhere in the Help section. Oisín (talk) 15:47, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

There's no specific way of indicating it, so long as it's clear. Usually something like "[?]" is enough to show that lyrics are missing. Patzilla777 (talk - contributions) 16:00, September 5, 2015 (UTC)

Album-less Songs

The whole of Kiss' compilation albums' pages have been recently deleted. Understandable, they were 99% non-unique collections. However there are some exceptions. Can there be a way of expressing this situation in the song header that creates non-linked text to describe the album for the song? For example: {SongHeader |song = Ain't That Peculiar |artist = Kiss |albumtext = Kiss Box Set (2001) |language = English |star = Gold }

( Redrkr (talk) 03:25, February 24, 2017 (UTC) )

|addtext = It was released on the Kiss Box Set (2001).6×9 (Talk) 06:13, February 24, 2017 (UTC)

Cover section needs additional documentation

I have been told that cover songs pages should contain a copy of the lyrics, in addition to the link to the original song. Please add this information to the documentation. Jmmelko (talk) 16:59, February 13, 2018 (UTC)

Song pages are created with lyrics, cover/covered or neither. Removing the lyrics of a cover song would be considered vandalism. hth. --ES (talk) 17:04, February 13, 2018 (UTC)
Okay, right. But maybe this should be emphasised in the doc. A wiki is not a sanctuary to be hold and maintained by educated monks.... You can never be wrong by repeating the rules in several places. Jmmelko (talk) 19:51, February 13, 2018 (UTC)
Please see documentation:
lyrics should always be submitted as sung... --ES (talk) 02:51, February 14, 2018 (UTC)
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