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Is there a method for making the Wikipedia link go to a specific Wikipedia page? Some bands are under NAME_(band), such as Yes_(band), Europe_(band), etc. For Europe, for example, it would take two more clicks to get to the correct page. It would be nice to have a direct route. - Kiefer 12:43, 12 November 2006 (EST)

Yes, there is a way. The {{Artist}} template takes a parameter for the wikipedia article as wikipedia=<<article>>. However, it currently does not escape the link, so you will need to replace spaces with an underscore.
- teknomunk 12:57, 12 November 2006 (EST)
I've tried a dozen different ways to implement what you've linked to, but the help page is unfortunately very unclear (to me at least...I can mess up the Wikipedia link that is by the wikiglobe, so that it goes to the wiki home page, but not to my desired page). Could you give an example? (I'm working on the Yes page, so the example of the footer for Yes would be helpful.) Thanks for your quick response, BTW! - Kiefer 14:28, 12 November 2006 (EST)
Okay, I've finally got the Wikipedia text link in the External Links section at the bottom of the page to go to the correct page by putting
{{<< Artist >>|
|<< wikipedia=Yes_(band) >>}}
(Without the <<>>, of course.) But I still can't get the link for the Wikipedia graphic at the top of the page to go to a specific page. - Kiefer 15:33, 12 November 2006 (EST)
For the wikipedia template, the article title parameter is {{Wikipedia|Article= |Title= }}
If you have any questions on a template, usually there is reference material at the template's page.
- teknomunk 18:11, 12 November 2006 (EST)
Okay, the Wikipedia template is a little better, but the [[Template:Artist]] page is...not helpful. As a new wiki-er, I find the help section to be a bit jumbled and confusing. Perhaps the admins know from experience what to do, but the help sections really should be written for the beginner. I'm a bit I just dove in, looking at others' completed pages for a guide on how to do things, but I can imagine other beginners willing to help not doing so because the help section is incomplete and (in my opinion) a bit disorganized. I don't know if it is proper for a non-admin to edit the help pages to make them more understandable to the beginner or not, but I'm willing to help in that endeavor. - Kiefer 15:41, 14 November 2006 (EST)
You are more than welcome to gut the whole help section if you want to. I am aware that our help section is rather pathetic right now. This wiki is relatively new at less than a year old, so procedures and styling are still solidifying. I have tried to update things, but I am not exactly that good at writing help guides. Several of the template pages, such as [[Template:Artist]], are protected because they contain our affiliate links. If you want to make any changes to them, just let an admin know, and we will gladly make the changes.
So, in other words, BE BOLD.
- teknomunk 16:36, 14 November 2006 (EST)

Album order for artists

Is there a preferred order for listing albums on artist pages? Generally, I tend to order them in reverse chronological order. --Thor222 00:46, 10 December 2006 (EST)

Right now I don't think that a particular order has been decided on. I generally list the newest albums first. This is not something that I want to dictate for the rest of the community, so we should probably wait for other people to comment on this. I will notify a few other people to get comments from them.
- teknomunk (talk) 01:07, 10 December 2006 (EST)
Any discography listing I've ever seen (Wikipedia, Rolling Stone, liner notes, artist website, etc.) lists the albums in chronological order. Listing them this way gives a clearer historical view of an artist's output and is easier for people to understand, because that's how people are taught to view time, as a forward progression. Personally, I think chronologically is just a given, really. --Kiefer 02:00, 10 December 2006 (EST)
I agree with Kiefer. Most pages already list them chronologically. We should just remember to include the year in the album page title (second argument for this it to discern the album page from the song page of the title track).
By the way (out of curiosity), why this discussion and why now? Did you notice a lot of pages where the chronological order is not respected or did you just realize this hadn't been officially appointed before?
--Mischko 05:54, 10 December 2006 (EST)
I had the question because I saw both chronological and reverse-chronological ordering used (and a couple of artist pages with no ordering, as far as I could tell), and I realized that there was no "official" statement on the matter. I'm new to this site, so thanks for bearing with me! I'll use chronological ordering from here on out. Thanks. --Thor222 12:08, 10 December 2006 (EST)
Someone should note this on the help//formatting/artists article page. Lentando 13:17, 10 December 2006 (EST)
When I made the site, I just had UberBot do them in chronological order. It just made sense at the time, and like Kiefer said, that's how it is everywhere else so my mind kind of expected it. It's probably best to just stick with chronological now unless there is some major problem we hadn't though of... the vast (vaaaast) majority of artist pages are probably chronological already (since that's how UberBot always does it).
-Sean Colombo 20:20, 10 December 2006 (EST)

See Also section

The "See Also section" from this help page, in my opinion, should be changed. I think, for an artist's page one should have a heading for members of the band (with a subheading of former members if needed) that should have links if one or more of the members have their own page). Then it should have another heading for related projects/see also. For an example of this see Five Iron Frenzy (unfortunately none of the members have their own pages, but one could add links for them if one was created). Comments? --WillMak050389 20:52, 11 December 2006 (EST)

Good ideas. I haven't differentiated in the past with my See Also sections between band members and related groups or contributing artists, but perhaps doing a simple bold subheadings under the See Also section for "Members With Solo Projects" and "Related Artists" would be a good solution if one wished to differentiate. I'm not sure how I feel about listing all members, past and present, of a group. So many group members haven't done solo work, and will never have an artist page of their own, and some groups (such as Yes) have such a long and varied list that it would just bog down the page. (Although, this is the exception, rather than the rule.) I just figured that was part of what the Wiki link was for. I mainly started adding "See Also" sections because I wanted an easy way for a user to get from one artist to another, and saw that "See also" was how Wikipedia did it. I do like the Five Iron Frenzy format, however, and personally, I think either method is equally good. It would just depend on the editor's preference or perhaps what would fit the artist better. Would members in the "5IF format" who have had solo projects be listed under the "Related Projects" heading as well then, or would their name be made into an open link under the members section? --Kiefer 23:21, 11 December 2006 (EST)
Personally, I would just give them one link in the members section. I mainly got this idea from the Pink Floyd members section. --WillMak050389 23:30, 11 December 2006 (EST)
I like splitting members/former members up. That makes it less confusing. Yes confuses me (but I think that's to be expected with however many ppl are in there). I did See Also a bunch of times too (like Kiefer I did it because I saw that on Wikipedia).
As far as See Also vs. Members, I like the Five Iron Frenzy format also... as an added bonus to what's been said above: it's more semantic, which might make bot-operations and future SOAP things easier. Some artists (such as The Beatles) will probably have both Members and See Also since Wings isn't a member but is so closely related (just as Nirvana would have Foo Fighters etc.)
So yeah, I think a members section is cool, but since See Also isn't all that horrible it's not like it'll be a problem as we slowly make the change.
Unless anyone sees a reason not to, we should probably change the instructions Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Artists#See_Also the article
-Sean Colombo 23:44, 11 December 2006 (EST)
I propose changing the "See Also" section to a "Linking To Related Artists" section, then, listing the two methods. For single artists, the See Also method would be the way to go (Linda Ronstadt for Neil Young, Me'shell Ndegéocello for John Mellencamp, and the return link to The Beatles from Paul McCartney's page, for example). The listing of band members and related projects/artists, as on the Five Iron Frenzy page for groups. Sound good? --Kiefer 23:50, 11 December 2006 (EST)
Actually, I take that back. It would just make things more confusing to have one thing for groups and one thing for solo artists. I've edited the page to reflect the members list for groups, and how to link to other artists. Does this work better? I think constantly improving the help pages is a really good thing. It's tough to be clear, concise, and yet cover all aspects so that even the greenest of editors can do well and be successful on LyricWiki. --Kiefer 08:10, 12 December 2006 (EST)
I like the ideas. Probably the grouping wouldn't cause too much confusion, but too many (sub)sections would make the page less readable. Perhaps we can order them in columns (former members, current members, related artists, related groups, ...) of a table or simply list it as
Link (1910-1932, current member).
Just my quick thoughts at the moment after reading the discussion. --Mischko 10:59, 12 December 2006 (EST)

Singles and b-sides

Lots of bands release singles with b-sides that aren't present on any albums. How should this be handled?

I'm thinking we can use second-level headings for any singles that contain b-sides.

Any thoughts?

In the past, I have put them under the heading of "Other Songs," with a notation that they are B-sides, or such. EX:Barenaked Ladies --Kiefer 11:09, 15 December 2006 (EST)
Why not give the single its own Album (YEAR) heading? I'm thinking that if a song appears on more than one album, it should be linked from all of them. (One example is Tori Amos' song 'Winter', which was on the EP 'Winter' as well as the album 'Little Earthquakes'. Several of the other songs on 'Winter' were unique to that EP -- why would it not just get its own album heading? It's an album -- it's just a short one!)
For that matter, i'm inclined to do the same when there are 'greatest hits' or 'best of' albums for an artist, too. So, for instance, Paul Simon's song 'The Boy in the Bubble' would be linked under the album 'Graceland' (where it originally appeared) and the album 'Negotiations and Love Songs' (which is a 'best of' compilation.) Any thoughts? Adrienne 21:09, 7 February 2007 (EST)
EP's do get their own Artist:Album (Year) heading (with an optional parenthetical notation as an EP after the page link), but non-album singles are not considered part of an artist's regular discography. I'm not 100% sure why, but they tend to be listed separately in a "singles" list. I'm guessing because of their shorter format, they aren't considered enough of a major release to be included as a true album. Plus, most singles are from albums, and it's the independent, non-album single that is the aberration. Listing those aberrations under the Other Songs header with an added notation just seems to be best for songs that weren't released under a regular album (whether full-length or EP). I'm not really sure what you are asking about with regards to artist compilations, though. Clarification? --Kiefer 23:17, 7 February 2007 (EST)
Compilations *are* usually considered part of an artist's regular discography, no? So, the song 'The Boy in the Bubble' "belongs" under both the album 'Graceland' AND the album 'Negotiations and Love Songs'. Which would you put it under? I'd link it under BOTH, personally, but i'm not sure how to make that work with the actual song pages. Perhaps link it under both, but have both links point to the original album's song page? Likewise, an album single *could* go both under its album name *and* under the album name of the EP it appeared on (even if you wanted to have an 'EPs/Singles' section separate from the main 'Albums' section). Adrienne 18:01, 8 February 2007 (EST)
Yes, compilations are part of an artist's discography. Yes, "The Boy In The Bubble" belongs under the original album, Graceland AND the compilation album Negotiations & Love Songs 1971-1986. (Well, it would if it were on that album. So, we'll just use You Can Call Me Al as the example.) On the artist's page, the song would (not should) be listed under both albums. The link would be the same, going to the same song/lyric page, because it's the same song even if it is on different albums (whether full-length or EP). This is what is done on all of our pages. Is there a situation on a page that you've seen where this isn't the case? --Kiefer KieferE KieferTalk 22:05, 8 February 2007 (EST)

Casing convention

Just why does the lyricwiki go against convention and capitalise articles, propositions and conjunctions? And for that matter, every single word in titles, even if they're not proper nouns? --Tene 15:37, 28 December 2006 (EST)

It is easier to have all the titles with caps because it creates a standard that all songs are capitilized. That way, making a link, we do not have to check to make sure what is capitilized and not, because all words are. We solve the capitilization "problem" by piping links. Example:Putting "[[Electric Light Orchestra:Out Of The Blue (1977)|Out of the Blue (1977)]]" links to the article with all caps but displays like this:"Out of the Blue (1977). Hope that explanation helped. Feel free to reply if you still need help understanding. --WillMak050389 15:44, 28 December 2006 (EST)
Also it makes easier to automatize things, it's hard to teach a bot which words are prEpositions, articles and conjunctions in every language. --Unaiaia (talk) 15:56, 28 December 2006 (EST)
In addition to this, the site is accessed by scripts integrated into media players and through the SOAP interface. For these services to be effecient and simple to use, a standardized format is required, and capitalizing the first letter of every word is the format that was chosen. If you feel it necessary, you can add redirects from the 'correct' spelling to the standardized version. But the lyrics should reside at the standardized title format and links should go directly to that title.
- - teknomunk (talk,E) 15:59, 28 December 2006 (EST)
I'm more nervous about proper nouns that are OFFICIALLY all in lowercase. Some people name things in lowercase explicitly: the band 'dada', for instance, or Liz Phair's album 'whitechocolatespaceegg'. What do we do about those? It's flatly WRONG to capitalize them. Adrienne 21:04, 7 February 2007 (EST)
LyricWiki:Page_names has all the scoop on capitalization. In the case of whitechocolatespaceegg, it would be found under Liz Phair:Whitechocolatespaceegg, but because of the e.e. cummings-like non-capped nature of the title, it would be edited as # '''[[Liz Phair:Whitechocolatespaceegg|whitechocolatespaceegg]]''' which would produce:
  1. whitechocolatespaceegg
So, while the page name would be technically incorrect, the visual name would be correct. In addition to what was stated above, the capitalization rule is meant to make everything as uniform as possible (a good thing for a database/wiki) and to be easily understood and usable by all editors. Happy editing! --Kiefer KieferE KieferTalk 23:35, 7 February 2007 (EST)
Sure, but then it's NOT visually correct on the song page, where what we see is: "This song appears on the album "Whitechocolatespaceegg (1998)" by Liz Phair." Now, I can change that so that 'whitechocolatespaceegg' is in the title there, but then it goes to the wrong page (well, actually, it redirects to the right one, but with a redirect notice, which is ALSO sub-optimal). And i can't figure out how to actually use the Song template piping to get the RIGHT link name *and* the right visual name.Adrienne 18:06, 8 February 2007 (EST)

Artist's 'Other Songs' Pages

Do we really need to have each artist have a page for songs not yet listed under an album? These pages are the last thing to be updated and are almost always out of sync with the artist page and only serve to hold songs until they are removed. Wouldn't it be better to have the 'Other Songs' section on the artist page the only place that unsorted songs are listed and avoid the extra work needed to keep the pages in sync?

- - teknomunk (talk,E) 16:42, 28 December 2006 (EST)

I agree with you... i think they are useless, we have the Artist page for these songs. --Unaiaia (talk) 16:47, 28 December 2006 (EST)
That's a good point, we don't need them. --WillMak050389 16:49, 28 December 2006 (EST)

Naming conventions

Are there any naming conventions around? E.g. for artist names starting with "The". Because the band The Cat Empire is listed both as [[Cat Empire, The]] and The Cat Empire. This is most probably not intended. --Torf 07:26, 3 February 2007 (EST)

The Cat Empire is preferred. The convention is: Always use the most similar name to the official name. You can use {{mergeto|The Cat Empire}} and {{mergefrom|Cat Empire, The}} in this pages. In the case that the correct name doesn't exist you can move each article for the artist (if they are a few) or mark the page for a mass move with the move template, something like {{move|from=Cat Empire, The|to=The Cat Empire}} --Unaiaia (please, reply here) 08:48, 3 February 2007 (EST)
LyricWiki:Page_names is the listing of current standards.--Kiefer 20:05, 3 February 2007 (EST)
Okay, thanks for the information. I've put up the merge tags on both articles. Merging is done manually after waiting some time for comments, is this correct? --Torf 07:47, 4 February 2007 (EST)
You can do the merge right now if you want. No one is against name corrections, only when there is doubt should you wait to do it. But sometimes, if you don't have the time to do it, or if you don't know the artist you can just mark the pages and let someone else do the work. If you are willing to, go ahead, move the wrong pages to the right names and change the pages, at last you can redirect the [[Cat Empire, The]] page to the right name. --Unaiaia (please, reply here) 07:55, 4 February 2007 (EST)


Should lyrics for Songs from Demo Tapes/CDs/etc. put on the page too? I found that a Demo is listed at Cradle Of Filth and I added a Demo at Welle:Erdball. I think it's very nice to read the early lyrics of a band which are unknown to the masses. What do you think? --MetalSnake 11:27, 17 June 2007 (EDT)


There is currently a stub at Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Artists/Japanese. Should we make a subsection like Non-English Songs and list the link there or incorporate the information directly onto this page?
 - YukataNinja (TalkC) 12:11, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Screwed up

Okay, I tried making a small change here, but somehow this page totally screwed it up. Then I tried reverting, I previewed it and all seemed fine, clicked Save Page, but it's even more screwed up. Can someone revert this to what it was before I (or my browser or MediaWiki) began screwing it up? I'm deeply sorry, but I have no idea what's happened. The history shows lots and lots of edits I never made. --MiSP 07:43, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

Nevermind, I found the error. When I edited the whole page (and not just the section I was working on), it worked. Perhaps it has something to do with the pre tags? --MiSP 08:08, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

Album art on artist pages

Hey, I'm new here and trying to contribute, and I see a difference between what's on this page and what's on an individual artist's page, say Jay-Z. There I see album covers on the artist page, not only the album pages and even a template for doing so. Shouldn't that be documented here? Aquatiki 08:03, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

Yes. Good catch. I'll add it now! --Kiefer KieferE KieferTalk 14:21, 10 October 2007 (EDT)

Misattributed songs

The Mark Knopfler page contains a lot of Dire Straits songs cluttering up the "Other Songs" category, as well as songs from his collaborations (which I believe have their own artist pages). What is the procedure for dealing with these? I'm not entirely sure how to use redirects or if that is the right choice here. Would love to help clean that page up if someone can let me know the right thing to do -- thanks! -- Mschlock 3/8/08

Those Mark Knopfler songs should be redirected to the correct Artist:Song page. It's pretty easy to do. Merely replace the contents of the page with #REDIRECT [[Artist:Song Title]] and then everything should be good. This would also apply to the Big Head Todd And The Monsters song that you mention on your talk page. Usually, unless the pagename is almost mangled beyond recognition, a page isn't deleted. Redirection is our friend. For what should be deleted (and therefore have a deletion template added to it) see LyricWiki:Deletion. (Also, four tildes (~~~~) are the quick and easy way to sign a comment. There's also a signature button above the editor's box, second from the end.) Best wishes on your future edits!    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   22:40, 8 March 2008 (EST)
Thanks! Will do. Once the redirects are in, is it then appropriate to just delete those links from the Other Songs area? (Also, would it be appropriate to add this info to the FAQ or the help section proper? I puzzled over the help for awhile trying to decide what the policy was, and there are a lot of misattributed songs hanging around.) --Mschlock 01:29, 12 March 2008 (EDT)
Feel free to jump in and do both! Most of what I do for artists I'm not deeply involved with is simply making redirects and deleting them from the "Other" section. Give the FAQ/Help a stab and we'll edit it together to make it just right! ;-) --Åqúàŧĩkī - É - Ŧ 11:55, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

Studio albums and Other albums + singles

I don't know if I this is the place where I should put this so I apologize if this causes any problem. So, What I wanted to talk is about the order of albums, I understand the rules say that the order must be on a chronological order, but what I've been watching is that the people normally include live albums and compilations in the same list. What I've been doing is separating those kind of albums because they are not part of the main discography, what I mean is that (almost all the time) they just offer material that's already published in the studio albums or singles, but at the same time, I think is important to have record of these albums. So I made a "Studio albums" section and an "Other albums" section, I don't see this as a problem but some others do, so I want to know and ask if this could be allowed, since I think it is a better way to order the music and discography of the artists. Other thing, I've been reading about the problems with singles and b-sides, I make the "B-Sides" list to organize this kind of songs, but also I make a page for every single. I want to share this, because I feel it's a good idea, it is more organized (and it looks nicer). So if you want to check the stuff I'm talking about, check the main pages of Coldplay and Gorillaz, those are the ones I've been working. I think many of you will like it, but since this is a community I'll do what the majority say. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Grifit (talkcontribs).

On occasion, an artist's output is so massive with regards to "Greatest Hits"-type compilations that a separate section (often without track listings) is justified. Usually, presenting a more historical perspective to the occasional compilation is better and it should just be included chronologically. Creating "Studio Albums" and "Other Albums" sections often involves either using a one-= header, which is reserved for the actual page name header, or by making the albums themselves headed with a 3-= header, which has consequences format-wise as well (and often causes editors to change the "Other Songs" section into a 3-= header as well, which messes with some site 'bot utilities.)
Another problem that arises is categorization problems. For instance, on the Gorillaz page, what places an album in the "Other Albums" listing, as opposed to the "Studio Albums" listing? Are they bootlegs? Compilations? EPs? Concert-only releases? Internet-only releases? Who knows? Chronological order also allows those searching for these albums to better find them.
Adding a section for singles to be listed (also without track listings) on the artist page is a fairly common practice. Some also use a 3-= header to list an album's B-sides below the album's track listing. This helps to clear up some items on the Other Songs list and places the songs in a historical perspective as well.
Personally, I find those two pages to be a bit of a jumble. When it comes to databases (which LyricWiki is), the KISS principle should be followed whenever possible. Keeping things as simple and uniform as possible helps those gathering information from the database to do so in a quick and easy manner.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   18:27, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

Non-latin non-digit first letter

fLetter guidelines are ambiguous. The wording "If the first letter is a symbol" makes no sense for me. To be exact: what to do if the first letter is cyrillic or greek?

  • "The very first letter should always be used" suggests using original letter
  • Some users prefer to use the first letter of romanized name
  • lyricwiki by default suggests 'Symbol'

Orivej 14:03, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

Currently non-Latin-based alphabets/writing systems, such as Cyrillic & Japanese are categorized under "Symbol" for the fLetter designation. If I recall correctly, Greek letters are categorized under their own letter, and not "Symbol." Eventually, there may be a move to do the same for Cyrillic, but I'm guessing due to the complexity of the Japanese & Chinese writing system, that those will stay as "Symbol."    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   18:27, 21 June 2008 (EDT)
If I am correct, Cyrillic is also categorized under the letter. For example: Category:Songs Я. --Mischko Talkicon EsperanzaIcon 09:40, 28 August 2008 (EDT)
You are correct. At the time I wrote the above, I wasn't sure if the Cyrillic was fully "there".    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   12:42, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

Song links in albums formatting

Do lists of songs have to follow guidelines about formatting song lists on album page? («Capitalize the first letter of every word in the song name. If the song has different capitalization than this, the links may have an alternate text specified.») I think so, but I wait for confirmation because it seems people don't always observe this. Must this be fixed on already existing pages? Orivej 16:33, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

The portion of the link that designates where the lyric file is located (the pagename) should have each word capitalized. As for the portion after the pipe "|", it can be capitalized to fit whatever capitalization style is most appropriate to the artist.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   18:27, 21 June 2008 (EDT)

What the heck are Green Artists?

As well as Albums and Songs. The Other Saluton 10:44, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

It has to do with our new page ranking system.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   12:31, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

Question about Hometown

In the case of non-English cities with English names, which name should be used? For example, at the moment, there's a category for Germany/Bavaria/Munich and one for Germany/Bayern/München. -- 6 times 9 16:11, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

In the spirit of international relations, we should probably go with their version, i.e. Bayern/München. --Aquatiki - T - E 05:28, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
OK, I've added a note to the help page. Could someone do the same for Template:Hometown? (Also, please remove the note about not using states for German artists, since there are federal states... and most people seem to include them anyway.) -- 6 times 9 13:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I hate to disagree, but much of the hometown information is likely gathered from Wikipedia, and as far as I've seen, they use the English name.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   13:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I also disagree because most of the Hometown categories are already in English names. Further, we also encourage users to insert things like language names, etc. in English and I feel this would only serve to confuse. I therefore propose it gets changed to read Hometown in English. It also seems a bit silly to have country in English and rest in own language... ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 14:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Just to elaborate & clarify a bit, the naming standards should be uniform. If the country is listed under the commonly-used English name, then so should the rest. I'm just big on uniformity....  :-]    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   14:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
At least in the case of German artists, almost all have the German name of the state entered, rather than the English one (except for three that had "Bavaria"). (Most cities don't even have English names – Cologne and Munich are the only two I can think of right now. K-town doesn't count!) And artists from a non-English country are just as likely to be looked up by someone from the same country, in their "native" Wikipedia. -- 6 times 9 14:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey Red, I saw your edit and I'm wondering how feasible that it. Somewhere, some English bloke has re-christened every hamlet in Germany into something without umlauts, but how can we know? Every worse, Russian towns (and other places that use other alphabets (China)) are gonna have multiple Romanizations. How can we know? --Aquatiki - T - E 23:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm relying on the fact that the person completing the info will likely know this ;) Also, as long as there is no conflict, no variations as was presented at the beginning of this topic, I don't envisage there being a problem. Does that make sense?  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 01:34, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I think as long as we say something like, "English Wikipedia is the guide" then there won't be conflicts. --Aquatiki - T - E 02:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
And any conflicts that may arise can be discussed on the applicable talk page. It's the wiki way.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   03:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Artists#Hometowns  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 10:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Clarified this a bit more tonight as me and 6x9 realised there was a bit of a problem with some French states (?), e.g. Lower Normandy (listed on Wikipedia under French name). See 6x9's talk page for details.  ♫Яєdxx Actions Words 04:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Artists with the same name

Hi, i wanted to know what to do with artist that have the same name. I want to add a new artist "Storm" (a nowegian band), but there already is a band a band named Storm. I tried to findout what to do on the help page, but did not find a answer. Voddow 21:54, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

See Storm (NO).  Яєdxx Actions Words 23:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Hometowns of fictional characters from television shows

(e.g. South Park, The Simpsons, Family Guy etc)

I'm slightly curious as to what to do with these. Many have songs performed "in-character", so logically the hometown should be, say, United States / Colorado / South Park (or United States / Rhode Island / Quahog; Springfield is a law unto itself, of course ;-)), because that's the hometown of the characters as attributed; however, I added it and it was reverted with the message "removed non-existant [sic]] Hometown - show is American, not made in South Park, CO" and left as United States with no further granularity. Where do we go? Kinitawowi 12:27, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

I will only tackle The Simpsons, in the spirit of The Simpsons.
Matt Groening's parents were Homer Philip Groening & Margaret Wiggum. Homer, born in Main Centre, Saskatchewan, Canada (from the article). Those are undeniable facts. There are numerous Canadian references on The Simpsons. Even more plentiful are the great lengths that the writers & creators of The Simpsons have gone to, in order to obfuscate the State in which the Simpsons live, many times we have been taken to the brink of knowledge of the elusive state, then nothing. Springfield was chosen as there are over 20 Springfields in the Uinted States. It's supposed to be any town USA, The Simpsons are the the average American family. The only possible State for The Simpsons is blank, otherwise it will cause an international incident, lyricwiki will hear from Matt's lawyers, Simpsons fans will be up in arms, rotten tomatoes will be flying, LyricWiki article on Wikipedia will be deleted. It would be like trying to draw a map of the natural habitat of the Unicorn. Then there are facts.... :) Night Owl 14:50, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
Fictional characters do not have a hometown. Well, not a "real world" hometown, they live in a fictional place. It may be called "New York City" or "Paris" or whatnot, but it's a fictional version. The hometown info is meant to be "real world" information. So, one should use where the fictional characters were created/made/broadcast/etc. (Use whatever is most applicable.) So, if "Star Wars" was a page, then "A Galaxy Far, Far Away" should not be used as the hometown, but instead, "United States", the country of origin. The same should apply to Japanese Anime pages, etc.    Kiefer    talk    contribs    admin   20:25, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Information About The Artist

I found this Template for artist information: Template:ArtistInfo. Should this one be used, or should I make it like described in Help:Contents/Editing/Formatting/Artists#Information About The Artist. I think the template is the nicer solution? --Voddow 17:11, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

It is new and optional. If you have any problems completing it 6x9 is the guy to assist you. :-)  Яєdxx Actions Words 20:43, October 16, 2009 (UTC)

Multiple places of origin?

I just was working on the page Arms And Sleepers and noticed on the wikipedia page that it lists two places of origin (one for each band member) but not for the band itself. Not being familiar with the band myself I am not sure about the details. So I'm wondering if there is a way of handling this info since it only seems capable of handling one place of origin, unless I am missing something. --The Light6 02:32, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Credit for split albums

Let's say I'm editing a band's page. At one point, they release a noteworthy split album with another one. To whom should go the credit?

Same question goes when I'm making that album's page. Please reply.DiamondStarHalo (talk) 18:00, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Question about hometown and state

As I am looking at the list of artists from the Netherlands, I notice that:

  1. Sometimes the state is left empty,
  2. Sometimes the state is filled, but not with one of the approved Dutch states,
  3. Sometimes the Dutch spelling is used for hometown.

I am willing to make the whole NL list compliant to Wiki standards, but I need a list for that.

Is there a list of artists with either an invalid state or an empty state (per country)? If not, could such a list be created? I think that would be useful for managing the state/hometown contents on the wiki.


  1. For hometown The Hague we have, and
  2. For hometown Groningen we have cases where state is Groningen and hometown is Groningen. We also have cases where state is empty and hometown is Groningen. Both show up in list

Cheers, --MarjonW (talk) 09:14, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

PS I DID find a useful list of all used state/hometown combinations for which the state is valid (i.e. state is one of the defined subcategories on page, the link for that list is for The Netherlands. But that list does not show states that are not defined as a subcategory, like f.e. Zuid-Holland. --MarjonW (talk) 12:06, September 20, 2013 (UTC)
  1. For state, we use the Province, so the twelve existing subcats of HT/TN are correct.
  2. As for native vs. English name, we took the easy way out and decided to follow English Wikipedia on that one. That info is on the help page, but since you're sick I'll let you off this time :-)
  3. There's Special:WantedCategories, but it's not sorted alphabetically so of little use here. Much better is the list of all categories, though it won't let you filter out the valid ones. But at least it's real-time, so you won't have to wait a day for the cached version to expire.
HTH, and get well soon! — 6×9 (Talk) 06:51, September 21, 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! Yes, 1 and 2 were clear to me. Your list is really useful, it will let me do this chore today which is a good one to do on a day when you have a little bit of a cold :) Thanks, --MarjonW (talk) 07:11, September 21, 2013 (UTC)


How can i add subgroups to the release? I am editing a CD which has 2 re-releases and each has a few bonus songs which were not made by the group itself, but by 2 different subgroups with different artist names. Noxten (talk) 19:56, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

Artists with the same name - from the same country

In Romania, there is a girl and a boy, working independently, both having the same name - Karie.

  1. Shoturi by Karie
  2. Strălucesc by BiGGiE & Karie

I've made the article Karie for the girl. How should I name the article for the boy? MusicDream (talk) 11:58, June 6, 2018 (UTC)

Labels with the same name

There are more than one Record labels named "Eurostar":

What's the name I should chose for the Romanian label? -- MusicDream (talk) 20:42, June 19, 2018 (UTC)

Same as disambiguating artists: by adding the country code to the label page name. Example: King Records & King Records (US), and indicating on each page a link to the other homonym. --ES (talk) 20:46, June 19, 2018 (UTC)

Instagram links

I noticed that many artists, on their facebook "About" page, they have links to Twitter, mySpace and SoundCloud accounts, but also to instagram account. I just noticed that there are a lot of external link templates (67 atm) at Category:Templates/External Links. So maybe it's a good idea to create an Instagram template too? -- MusicDream (talk) 20:38, June 21, 2018 (UTC)

Contradiction on fictional characters

The guideline says "Fictional bands / characters" are "not artists in the LyricWiki sense" but then also says, "If the artist page is not for an artist but for a fictional character (The Simpsons, South Park, etc.), then use the country of origin of the TV show/movie/etc., e.g. United States." Which one is it? —Justin (koavf)·T·C 18:11, December 15, 2018 (UTC)

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